Cavan Combat Map Rotation

Lucutus

lo all

There's been some debate over the maps on the server @ games2.iol.ie so this thread if for suggestions for maps. We've dropped in No Fly Zone for a change/break from the usual map rotation.

dc_lostvillage,
dc_urban_siege,
el_alamein,
dc_basrah_nights,
dc_basrahs_edge,
dc_no_fly_zone,

If you wanna see a map in the rotation, post it here and we'll lash it in, (if it's any good!). If you wanna get rid of one, same deal.

Is there any custom maps out there that have excellent, well balanced vehicular play? What about some of the other DC maps? any good ones?

feedback appreciated.

Luc


P.S. Rev says he's keeping El Al and No Fly

Winters

I'd say add Berlin. It is a great infentry map and is very even and balanced.

CombatCow

Will you space out dc_basrah_nights,dc_basrahs_edge,so it's not one after the other.did you not get the cd yet winters ?

CombatCow

Lucutus

I kinda like the two together, it's not like they're the same map or anything. Maybe we'll switch them around, and do edge first, then nights.

Luc

Rev Hellfire

we could put another el_alamein in between them

Winters

Originally posted by Combatcow
did you not get the cd yet winters ?

Yea, got it earlier this week. Thanks man I owe you.

I'd agree with putting Basrah's Edge before night. Makes more sence.

Lucutus

Ok, updated rotation.

dc_lostvillage,
dc_urban_siege,
el_alamein,
berlin,
dc_basrahs_edge,
dc_basrah_nights,
dc_no_fly_zone

Stopped and started the server...

Luc

Lucutus

Originally posted by Rev Hellfire
we could put another el_alamein in between them

You just want el_alamein forever, don't you?

Woden

hmm i don't like the big vehicle maps like el-alamein but prefare the more infantry type ones. glad berlin is in it. what about stalingrad?

not familiar with the all the map whats the one with the oil rig and the one where you come in off the boats and take the docks with the ship and the crane and containers and stuff?

bizmark

El al is great......People that dont like that map cant A.Drive and fire with a tank B.Fly a helo or plane

suppafly

i love the berlin map. its good too for when theres only a small few people on the server cuz the map is a nice size too. very fun map

Moriarty

You need some of the big maps in there, desertshield, el al, gazala etc.

Joeface

kinda of a related question, can the maps form road to rome be added, ie . Monte Cassino(great infentry map)..........dont think the can but a question worth asking

Rev Hellfire

They certainly can, but, and theres always a but. What of the people who dont have that expansion pack ?

Joeface

Rev did u get kicked by WeeEEee for team killing

Lucutus

Compare

Originally posted by Dataisgod
hmm i don't like the big vehicle maps like el-alamein but prefare the more infantry type ones. glad berlin is in it. what about stalingrad?

With

Originally posted by Moriarty

You need some of the big maps in there, desertshield, el al, gazala etc.

and you get?

Can't please all of the people all of the time.

At the moment, Berlin and El_al are in the rotation, giving a taste of each 'world', if there is only a few players on, they can chat it out, agree on a map to play and then vote it in.

It has a load of DC_ maps, as it's a DC server, I think it's all good. (Gotta love all those lost village and basrah/urban siege ones).

Luc

Lucutus

Removed No Fly Zone

Winters

I'm having problems logging in with the Remote Server Manager actually. An error saying that my username does "not have the correct associated data being resolved for".. quite odd.

No flay zone is still there, but had a good game of it tonight. Sometimes its not too bad a map I am afraid to say. But thats rare, very rare.

The_Bullman

any chance of DC_Medina_Ridge? I played it at galwaylan and liked it

Lucutus

Worth a go, I'll lash it in now...

Washout

I love the fact that a few weeks ago the server was about to die now we could almost do with another one

Moriarty

Two things about the server. Turn off auto-team-switcing, it's most annoying. Turn off team number enforcement or whatever it is, it stops you switching sides if youve had enough of one. Combined (well, along with the less than ideal map rotation) they're enough to make me stop playing on the server.

Lucutus

Originally posted by Moriarty
Turn off auto-team-switcing, it's most annoying. Turn off team number enforcement or whatever it is, it stops you switching sides if youve had enough of one. Combined (well, along with the less than ideal map rotation) they're enough to make me stop playing on the server.

How will we keep balanced teams? I agree the auto-balancing feature is a pain, I'm used to auto-balance working for the lower scoring players in a game, but in DC it seems to balance players based on score or something.

Anyway, 18 coalition versus 8 opposition is never fun like. People are always slow to cop on/care about unbalanced sides.

As for the map rotation, you realyl gotta give up more than that. What's wrong with it, which maps don't you like, why? How about suggesting a map rotation?

Contribute.

Luc

BeatFreak

I have to agree with Moriarty here, auto balance is very annoying. Especially when you kill a member of the opposition, they auto-balance to your team and you die because you damaged a team mate because (I forget the name of the setting, the one where you get damaged for damaging team mates?) is on. I'm not sure if I explained that clearly enough but it seems to be a bug that causes me alot of heart ache.

How to keep the game balanced? Kick, if a player wont balance a team then he's obviously a muppet (generalisation I know but not far off the mark imo) and no-one likes playing with muppets. This will also give people waiting for a slot on the server (i.e me) a chance to play. AND on certain levels (lost village for example) having more members on a particular side (depending on the strength of the team) can lead to a better and more competitive game over all.

I love all the DC levels so the map rotation suits me but! The only thing I would like to see is a little more variation, we seem to be playing the same few levels all the time. The likes of kursk is never played, okay it's not a great level but would be nice to play it again all the same.

That's what I think anyways....

Lucutus

Originally posted by Beat Freak
I have to agree with Moriarty here, auto balance is very annoying. Especially when you kill a member of the opposition, they auto-balance to your team and you die because you damaged a team mate because (I forget the name of the setting, the one where you get damaged for damaging team mates?) is on. I'm not sure if I explained that clearly enough but it seems to be a bug that causes me alot of heart ache.

Auto-Balance works. It could use being tweaked a bit, but it auto-balances.

Admins would have to be on the server in order to kick players who are being tards. In order to kick them we gotta alt-tab out (a pain on my machine, BF hogs half a gig of ram), login, kick, logout, then alt-tab back. This could happen 20 times per round, with slots opening and the clueless joining and breing at it again. Perhaps I could add to announcments about team balancing, but will it really make a difference? Let's talk about this later on IRC.

The bug you describe is annoying alright, but the setting, 'Friendly Fire Kickback', definately deters the tk'ers. With no auto-balance the bug shouldn't be a problem. This stays, I like it. (It killed you last night when you tked me!).

Moriarty

For the map rotation id suggest (in this order, to give a good variation from map to map)..

• Bocage
• DC Al Khafji Docks
• DC Basrah Nights
• DC Battle of 73 Easting
• DC Desertshield
• DC Basrahs Edge
• El Alamein
• DC Lostvillage
• DC Oil Fields
• DC Sea Rigs
• Gazala
• DC Urban Siege
• DC Weapon Bunkers

Afaik there is a way to have team balance enabled, but not so strict. That way, it will stop people joining the other team if theres a difference of more than 3/4/5/whatever, rather than the strict equal sizes thats currently enforced.

If you have team balance enabled, there is little need for auto-switching as new players will be constantly joining the server which organically balances out the teams.

Rev Hellfire

The server is actually set to refect back more damage to you when u hit a friendly than is received, it makes tk'ing a long boring process. FF servers without it become nuts, the only other alternative is to actually remove ff altogether, which to be honest isnt something thats going to happen.

As for the map cycle suggestions are always welcome.

BeatFreak

I tk'd you last night? Surely you joust ! I've no problem kicking people I've got the server manager open on my second machine so kicking is a positive pleasure I like the idea of team balancing but I just don't think its refined enough to use on the server atm, hopefully Trauma/EA will sort it out in an upcoming update.
Friendly fire kickback is indeed a useful feature but combined with the dodgy auto-balance leads to allot of annoyance. In work, can't really get into it, so IRC it is then.
[spam] Thats #battlefield.ie for those who don't know [/spam]

Talk to ye later.

Instant Karma

I hate the auto balance and the ff kickback too..can it not be set up to auto kick a player with minus scores....i know accidental tk's happen but you have to be a pretty poor player to stay in a minus score for very long.

Washout

what are co-op maps like?


it would be interesting 26 players on the same side playing against bots?

not suggesting it for now just wondering if ppl had played co-op online?

Jim

Originally posted by Washout
what are co-op maps like?


it would be interesting 26 players on the same side playing against bots?

not suggesting it for now just wondering if ppl had played co-op online?

Its too easy, as bots are, well, idiots.
But they don't complain about spawn camping which is a plus

Moriarty

First of all, is the map rotation going to be changed?

Secondly, imo the admins are far too quick to change the map. Twice this evening the map has been manually changed by an admin after a number of votes were turned down for changing it. Most were having a good time on the maps and a small number werent, but apparently that was enough to warrent the admin changing it. Tbh its just not on.. admins changing maps willynilly is a surefire way to an empty server.

Winters

Capture the Flag is useless without an actual time limit. Takes hours for round to end. I think no fly zone was on for well over an hour today before I joined. For some reason the CTF maps just keep on going and going and going .....


I must say its also getting harder to join too. It seems as though the server is full now all day long. Thats a good thing usually but it seems as though not too many of them are interested in the whole "teampaly" aspect of the game. Realy pity, its the teamplay that will usually make a decent game. I also have my eyes on a couple of players who are quite fond of the über base camping. I dont like spawning with two T-72's waiting ontop of repair stations killing evey US soilder that spawns...

Woden

can the server only handle 26 players? would it be possible to increase the number to 32 even?

Rev Hellfire

The server could easily handly 32 players, but since a lot of people here are on isdn or lower its to much data to throw at them. I've had requests to actually lower it back to 22.

Woden

ok and has the map rotation been changed again? wake island popped up last night

Washout

Originally posted by Winters
Capture the Flag is useless without an actual time limit. Takes hours for round to end. I think no fly zone was on for well over an hour today before I joined. For some reason the CTF maps just keep on going and going and going .....

Yeah I hear ya thats why i originally suggested a time limit but at the moment its set to score limit of 6 so it will end at some stage...if its too long then maybe score casn be reduced to 4 or 3?

I must say its also getting harder to join too. It seems as though the server is full now all day long. Thats a good thing usually but it seems as though not too many of them are interested in the whole "teampaly" aspect of the game. Realy pity, its the teamplay that will usually make a decent game. I also have my eyes on a couple of players who are quite fond of the über base camping. I dont like spawning with two T-72's waiting ontop of repair stations killing evey US soilder that spawns...

I kicked off a couple of players doing that very said thing yesterday. nothing pisses me off more than spawn campers like this.

Moriarty

Originally posted by Rev Hellfire
The server could easily handly 32 players, but since a lot of people here are on isdn or lower its to much data to throw at them. I've had requests to actually lower it back to 22.

I play on single channel isdn and have no problems what-so-ever in playing on 32 player servers. Theres no effect on performance. I've even checked bandwidth useage when playing on 32/40 player servers and the line isn't saturated. People on modems are another story of course, but I don't see many modem players any more.

Jim

Originally posted by Moriarty
but I don't see many modem players any more.

Eh, em.

Moriarty is right though, I rarely see difference in 26/32 player servers, even on my 56k.

TheHairyFairy

We could have a Private Night where it would be password protected. I dont get on to play until kids are in bed an house is quiet, normally after 9:30 and by that time it's hard to find a space on the Cavan server.

Is the idea of a clan still ongoing and if so are we considering a private clan server as well?

The Fairy.

MR DAZ

I'd be interested in joing a clan......for the craic!!!!!!!!!!!

Lucutus

I've updated the server map rotation, taking into account all of your preferences etc.

Some people will be happy to see bocage and 73 easting are back. Thought about gazala, still not sure tho. Basrah nights is back, dunno what happened to it before.

All Desert Combat, Conquest:

dc_lostvillage
dc_basrahs_edge
dc_basrah_nights
dc_oil_fields
dc_urban_siege
el_alamein
berlin
wake
dc_medina_ridge
dc_desertshield
dc_no_fly_zone
guadalcanal
dc_battle_of_73_easting
bocage

CTF is gone, I'll do a CTF config and enable it on a Sunday afternoon until the Monday afternoon.

Server was already set at one round per level when I did this, so leaving it like that.

The other major change was to be disabling auto-balance, gonna try that soon, maybe tomorrow.

Have Fun,

Luc

Moriarty

It should really be 2 rounds per map imo. 1 can often seem too short.

bizmark

very good Luc

but i agree with morty 2 rounds of conquest would be far better

Washout

~I would like to see 2 rounds also

Woden

glad the the maps have changed, looks good also glad bocage has been added i think its a fun map quite hectic

Lucutus

Removed Medina Ridge, It's broken

Hellrazer

Originally posted by Lucutus
Removed Medina Ridge, It's broken

Thank God for that.Jesus that map is so crap.
On another note though---Any chance of passwording cavancombat some night for a few hours.
Seems impossible some nights to get a game.Last night was I waiting for an hour before a slot became free.
As Hairyfairy says I dont get a chance to play either until the kids are asleep and then its usually full.
Any room in that new clan?????
Richie

BeatFreak

/me counts the hours till I gets me BB back...

much killing, yes, I'll pretend you guys are the customer support at NTL... Be scared be very scared...

oh and /me weeps at the state of the bot AI in Battlefield...

That is all, carry on.

Washout

Originally posted by Lucutus
Removed Medina Ridge, It's broken

I rather like Medina Ridge but your right if its broken get it outta here

Rev Hellfire

Think we'll have a look at setting up a second server.
I'll need to see what I can move off games2 and where I can put it.