Benoit Carry Raw

cannonballkid

Right Benoit is a Great wrestlier if not the best. He has had the iter title euro title and the wcw title for one day .But can Benoit win the big match and carry Raw on his back as champ or would he be better going back to smackdown

smiaras

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LanceStorm

I give him 2 months before he's fueding with Orton over the inter title!!
Mid-card here he comes!!

Shoulda stayed where he was!!

Bungalow Bill

I don't think Benoit will ever win "the big one" and if he does it will be a huge mistake. Why the IWC love him so much is beyond me. He has useless mic skills and they are neccessary for any great champ. ie Hogan, Rock, HBK, Macho man, Stone cold etc.

He also isn't likeable enough to be the "Face of the company".ie Lack of any apparent personality.
Just my two cents.........

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You know, it may just be his wrestling ability that gets him over with internet fans.

Personally, I think he will win the world title. If not at Wrestlemania, then he'll do it at Backlash. And I can't wait.

smiaras

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Bungalow Bill

About benoit, wrestling ability is all well and good but if so why isn't it billy kidman vs Lance storm for the WWE title at wrestlemania. It's so much more about personality and psychology. There have been so many greats that can't really wrestle like benoit but are legends, ie undertaker, hogan, jake roberts, austin.

Benoit is boring on the mic and his image sucks. Although i am glad they moved him to raw,i had seen benoit and cena vs show and a-train too many times. Horrible stuff.

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In a wrestling match, I'd much prefer to see the likes of Benoit, Bret Hart and Kurt Angle than Hogan, Kevin Nash or Scott Hall. See, wrestling beats personality.

Yeah, Benoit isn't very good on the mic, but he more than makes up for it in the ring.
And Benoit has no psychology skills??? :rolleyes: He's one of the best in the business at telling a story during a match.

Bungalow Bill

Benoit! Best in the business at telling a story! no way. Taker or rock or Angle are far better. All i'm sayin is that the most memorable matches had nothing to do with wrestling ability. Think of every WM main event. The only good wrestlers to achieve legendary status were HBK and the hitman, but they were very special exceptions.

Hanza

NO NO NOOOOOOOO!!!

I can not agree with one word you have just said. REAL LEGENDS CANT WRESTLE? WHAT? FOR F**K SAKE MAN... GET SOME CLASSIC WRESTLING TAPES! HOW THE F**K CAN YOU MAKE SUCH AN INSANE STATMENT? Its not even a fact that its your oppinion or 2 cents. What you are saying has no logic behind it.

When I was 7 my cousin gave me a tape, Wrestlemania 4. A year old at that stage, as soon as it was realeased on video here. Watched it for ages, over and over again. I rented ever tape from the video stores. Got more and more tapes. Bribed kids in my class to record PPVs of cable for me. Watched every PPV from King of the Ring 93 to Armageddon 99 the day after the PPV was shown here. Spent all my money on vidoes. Got 2 of my best friends into this amazing sport. Got involved with every thing I could as regards wrestling. Got old tapes from fanaitcs, friends, strangers, even Bombidol(thanks man ), AWA NWA SMW WCW FMW ECW TNA CZW XPW ROH NoaH WCW WWF WWWF WWE... Worked for IWW. Read and wrote articles. I was even exiled from this board for being too passionate about wrestling. From age seven to twenty I have been obsessed with this sport.

How long have you been watching wrestling that you can say:

Benoit! Best in the business at telling a story! no way.

It's so much more about personality and psychology. There have been so many greats that can't really wrestle like benoit but are legends, ie undertaker, hogan, jake roberts, austin

I don't think Benoit will ever win "the big one" and if he does it will be a huge mistake

Mabey these are your own beliefs, but I cannot understand why you would say this. But if this is what you believe man, thats ok. But I doubt many will agree.

Hanza

LanceStorm

Originally posted by Bungalow Bill
Billy Kidman vs Lance Storm for the WWE title at wrestlemania.

Dont you tease!!

Bungalow Bill

Hanza, if you are implying that one must devote their life to wrestling before that person may have an opinion, then you are very mistaken. Maybe in the case of something a little deeper, but this is a tv show!

In all of your ranting, you failed to give me one example where wrestling ability outweighed psychology. And also, i think i was perfectly justified in saying that many legends have have little to no wrestling ability. ie jake roberts, hogan, andre the giant, psyhco sid, austin. etc. For them it was much more about size and intimidation.

Also, it really is only internet users that seem to have this love affair with benoit. Just because he is a "good worker" and that he will "put guys over", thats boll*x, nobody cares because the fact of the matter is that he is boring to watch on tv, and most people who haven't yet been brainwashed by silly internet writers will agree with me

Desmond Wolf

I agree with Bill , image is the most important thing , look at Cena and Orton , they can't really put a foot wrong at the moment because they have the right combination of looks / mic skills / gimmick . Obviously it helps if you can wrestle , but the basics are enough to start with as long as you have the other three e.g. The Rock .
I like Benoit , if only because he trained Stu's dungeon , but i think even he know's he never going to be a long standing Flag bearer for the company , certainly not as a face anyway. He is an outstanding wrestler and that does stand for something , but it is'nt as important as image.
His gimmick is that he has no gimmick , most fans don't fall for that.

His best bet is a wise cracking manager to liven up his act.

As for these so called internet fans , did'nt you become one of them when first posted on this forum or looked up news on a site ?

Bungalow Bill

by internet wrestling fans i meant the general consensus that has been arrived at by the IWC in general, ie RVD and rhyno being held down bcoz they were in ECW, benoit being god of everything, HHH being the devil and that nash has never had a good match. That stuff just gets to me

NeroTheExtreme

Originally posted by Bungalow Bill
In all of your ranting, you failed to give me one example where wrestling ability outweighed psychology. And also, i think i was perfectly justified in saying that many legends have have little to no wrestling ability. ie jake roberts, hogan, andre the giant, psyhco sid, austin. etc. For them it was much more about size and intimidation.

Also, it really is only internet users that seem to have this love affair with benoit. Just because he is a "good worker" and that he will "put guys over", thats boll*x, nobody cares because the fact of the matter is that he is boring to watch on tv, and most people who haven't yet been brainwashed by silly internet writers will agree with me

Triple H? Is that you??? No Seriously?
Jake Roberts, yes he had psychology, but out of all of those that you listed, he was the only one.

Hogan: Not a chance, but people did what he said because he made em money by doing it, he could barely work, three move wonder like him, and there was no psychology because you knew that whoever he was facing, would put Jesus H. Hogan over!

Andre: Again, nothing related to psychology, ESPECIALLY towards the mid-late 80s when the guy was so ill that he barely made it to the ring. He depended on his height, and that was it.

Sid: Don't make me laugh, He could cut a promo, but what else could he do? The funniest thing was at In Your House 12, Michaels saying during the live show that Sid was the most expensive piece of luggage the WWE ever had because everyone has to carrying him around. Say what you want, it was true.

Austin: It was more attitude over Psychology, Austin was a shadow of his former self and had completely changed his style for his new character. Get the What? DVD and check out his match at the 94 Bash at the Beach against Ricky Steamboat for an example. And even in the beginning, he can't be given sole credit because he needed someone decent to work with. And people really only got into his character in mid 98 anyway when the McMahon feud kicked in. And if anything, it was McMahon with the psychology there.

Also your statement about only internet users who love Benoit, his match against Bret Hart in WCW impressed the hell out of me long before i was on the internet. He has the in-ring capabilities, he's far from boring to watch if put with the right person. If you say you're bored by his ladder match against Jericho at Rumble 2001, or his string of matches against Angle later that year, then you're not a wrestling fan.

Just my €2,000,000 worth
Nero

Gillie

Remember that match against Austin (heel) when he hit him with 10 consectutive Germans? Class!
In fairness to Austin after the Owen Hart piledriver he had no choice but to brawl and depend more on Attitude than Wrestling.

My 2 cents anyway!

a-hole

i agree that mic skills draw more money than wrestling ability rock and hogan are prime examples, but mic skills are changing they are more about telling storys than catchfrases look at foleys, eddies and hhh vs hbk all realy intence, this promo benoit can cut.

p.s.hes beeting hhh that should be anough to put him over, it was anough for goldberg and benoith is better than goldberg

LanceStorm

Originally posted by Gilly2003
Remember that match against Austin (heel) when he hit him with 10 consectutive Germans? Class!
In fairness to Austin after the Owen Hart piledriver he had no choice but to brawl and depend more on Attitude than Wrestling.

My 2 cents anyway!

I was disgusted with that match, WWE had spent so much time claiming he was the best damn technical wrestler alive, then just jobbed him in a straight wrestling match, to Austin of all people...

a-hole

that was a very entertaning match but you knew he wasnt going to beet austan on national tv

LanceStorm

Still was no reason for him to job cleanly!!
Have Austin cheat dammit!!

Heels cheating makes sense!!
Heels destroying the credibility of faces by beating them cleanly for no real reason dosent!!

whosurpaddy

Originally posted by Desmond Wolf
I agree with Bill , image is the most important thing , look at Cena and Orton , they can't really put a foot wrong at the moment because they have the right combination of looks / mic skills / gimmick . Obviously it helps if you can wrestle , but the basics are enough to start with as long as you have the other three

randy orton, as the wwe are so quick to point out, is a 3rd generation superstar. his dad and grandad were both wrestlers. granted, he isnt being promoted as a technical wrestling genius but id imagine he picked up a thing or 2 about wrestling growing up.

Desmond Wolf

I did'nt say Orton could'nt wrestle as well as have the rights looks , i just pointed out that his looks / image are the main reason he's doing do well.
He can wrestle , but he's no where near as skilled yet as Benoit , that's the point being made - image is more important than wrestling skills.

And i'm well aware of the fact that he's a third generation star , i'm following wrestling very closely for 20 years.

If you're such a big book of facts , who was his uncle who had a spell with WWF in the late eighties ?

NeroTheExtreme

I can answer that one. Barry O, he was a WWF jobber in the late eighties and early 90s.

Nero

whosurpaddy

Originally posted by Desmond Wolf
If you're such a big book of facts , who was his uncle who had a spell with WWF in the late eighties ?

that would be barry orton (big barry O or similar i think he was called) he never really got anywhere as a reult of refusing to be a friend of pat patterson

Desmond Wolf

You know you're stuff all right Nero. And your comments about HHH on the Cena/Orton thread are spot on.
What are your thoughts on who should be the future of the company ?
Edge has all the tools from what i can see ....

whosurpaddy

have a nice day

p.s. Nero u ruined my moment to shine. dam u

NeroTheExtreme

What? And and risk my title as the Pro Wrestling Board Smartass? NEVAH!!!
To be honest, I don't have much thought on who'll be the next biggie for as long as Vince McMahon is running the show.

For RAW, I'd love for Jericho to be given a second crack at the whip. Look how Angle came through, and he was terrible when he had his first world title.

For Smackdown, As much as i'd love to see Eddie Guerrero get the belt (and god knows he's in the business long enough to earn it), i couldn't see him keeping it for long. John Cena would be good with it but the problem there is pushing him too fast. I actually remain undecided. I would have said Edge two years ago, but he was grossly misused after they seperated him from Christian, and it all started with Fighting with Booker T over shampoo!

Nero

smiaras

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NeroTheExtreme

Originally posted by smiaras
Hollywood please come calling for HHH

AMEN TO THAT! For the sake of all our sanity!
Nero

a-hole

i never taught of benoit vs jerico for the title what a match thay had at royal rumble 2000

Hanza

Hollywood already have their grips into HHH. Blade 3 people
:dunno:

Im totally convinced Bungalo Bill is either HHH, or my dad trying to piss me off. Look man, calm it down. Everyone has already said your insults are unnessary, and most deffinatly not welcome.

Do you wanna know the logic behind my rant.

I FUCKING LOVE WRESTLING!!!
(sorry for cussing... if it was ever nessary, it was nessary there...)

I believe I know what makes a good wrestler. All we have to do is look at the greatest wrestler of all time and... WHOA! Wait, thats to difficult to point out.
A landmark star is one with the look firstly. In the words of Shane Douglas"Not a spuedo athlete wearing a t-shirt". He has to be a face in a crowd. A stand out person, visually. So much so that a he can be a mute and let his outer experience speek for himself.

Secondly, wrestling is a contact sport. No room for premadonas. Suck it up, dont be a bitch and FIGHT! Have skill, have the cushioning and muscle to take it and dish it. No matter what anyone says, a wrestler or promoter will tell you If you have no skill, dont bother even trying. I dont watch TNA and ROH to see Loki rant and not deliever.

Mic skill are a vital, but not thye be all and end all. If you cant let the crowd or viewers know who you are, your gonna end up black boots and trunks all your life. People dont go to Indie shows to listen to Trent Acid or Chris Daniels talk in the ring or sing for hours.

I hate to quote Steve Corino but the W stands for Wrestling, and always will.

As far as Benoit goes, if you cannot see his talent, or worse you call him crap in any way shape or form, im sorry your just palin wrong. Benoit has enough of everything to be a worlds champ. What about Goldylocks? He has a good voice but come on...

Oh actually I wanna c Goldberg V rikishi before goldy f**ks off to Japan again. Imagine the promo...

"Ok... RAH-KEY-SHE... Your big ass in on! In fact... My ass is bigger... then your ass... My ass is gonna kick your ass... then im gonna touch your ass! Your gonna try and stink face me RAH-KEY-SHE... Your on... I want your ass and my ass in the ring with your ass on my face. Then Im gonna ass my own ass up ur ass and ass your ass assed up ass ass and ass ass ass..." Ahh! This man belongs in Porno not wrestling!

Hanza

a-hole

very through

NeroTheExtreme

Hanza, whereas I agree with pretty much everything said in that post, how you can quote Shane Douglas, and then say there's no room for premadonnas kinda baffles me

Nero

Desmond Wolf

I presume , A Hole , that you meant to write " Very true " , rather than very through.

And Hanza , you ar about as funny as a mass card

How old are you fellas anyway ?

NeroTheExtreme

Desmond:
You get used to a-hole and his spelling, we did!
Hanza is only around a couple of weeks, so go easy on him.

I'm 28, probably too old for this lark, but hell, it's the love of the business isn't it?
Nero

whosurpaddy

Originally posted by NeroTheExtreme
Hanza is only around a couple of weeks, so go easy on him.

Nero: hanza is actually around a lot longer (check out his joined date) i remember him posting here when i first started. he was away for a year due to rikishi driving over him or pulling a quadricep muscle or something similar i heard.


im 24 btw

NeroTheExtreme

My apologies. I just haven't seen him on this board before a couple of weeks ago
Nero

Hanza

Ok, Shane Douglas... Ill take my slap on the wrist for that...

I wasnt ment to be funny, who ever said that... But I do love making fun of Goldberg. Mabey I shouldnt... but i really dont care.

And Ive been around alot longer then a few weeks, started in May02. I left due to a very immature mistake on my behalf, got into a big fight that got outta hand. So I learned my leason as far as starting fights goes.

I think we all need to relax a bit. I cant speak for everyone when I say this but my anxiety levels are high due to the WWE tickets and the mixed beliefs and news approching Wrestle Mania. I am a big fan, and in the next few months, there is alot happening as far as wrestling goes. I THINK everyone is getting excited and emotions are flaring.

There are alot of personal comments being made, I think we all, including myself, need to chill out. Thats just my opinion.

The whole Idea behing these boards, at the end of the day is to express our views... not make enemies!!!

Hanza

NeroTheExtreme

Well at least you admit that you f*cked up, takes some balls and most people don't bother.

The boards have been jumping a lot in the last week or two, good to see em getting some action at last.

Nero

whosurpaddy

yea there has been so much more traffic/posts in the last month 2months. long may it continue. 2004 - the year of the pro wrestling board.

o.t. when was the last time anyone saw bombidol? i havent seen a post from him in ages on this forum.

NeroTheExtreme

Caught him lurking on the board either this morning. Not too sure if he's even interested in the board anymore... Hey, I'll mod it if yer busy!

Nero

whosurpaddy

was thinking the same thing. id throw my name into the hat if their was new mods wanted.

Bungalow Bill

As much as the W stands for wrestling, the E stands for entertainment. There is a good reason why wrestling wasn't that popular before Vince really got his paws into it. Its the storylines that makes us love wrestling.Its not who can do the most effective submission holds. So I stick by my view that benoit will never be a great champ. I simply don't enjoy watching him on tv.
You are saying that my comments are not justified? I think the fact that I do not find Benoit entertaining is enough to warrant my comments, and I am not alone in this belief. I also never questioned Benoit's athleticism or wrestling ability.

NeroTheExtreme

And the battle for the next mod begins, eventho the position probs isn't available!
Nero

NeroTheExtreme

Originally posted by Bungalow Bill
As much as the W stands for wrestling, the E stands for entertainment. There is a good reason why wrestling wasn't that popular before Vince really got his paws into it. Its the storylines that makes us love wrestling.Its not who can do the most effective submission holds. So I stick by my view that benoit will never be a great champ. I simply don't enjoy watching him on tv.
You are saying that my comments are not justified? I think the fact that I do not find Benoit entertaining is enough to warrant my comments, and I am not alone in this belief. I also never questioned Benoit's athleticism or wrestling ability.

Which is fair enough, but don't blast others because they might disagree. Because if you're going by storylines, then look at HHH, sure he can cut a promo, he can yell into a mic, do we still wanna see the strap on him?

HELL NO!
Nero

Hanza

I personally saw Bomb at the Charger/My Ruin gig 2 months ago. Havent seen him in a while. Where did u go man?
Anyway... what was this thread about again guys

Hanza

Bungalow Bill

Ok Hanza, you've just said that trips can cut a promo, we all know he can handle himself in the ring and whether the strap is on him is irrelevant, its the unneccessary bashing of him on general that I am referring to. Just read a 411mania rant for evidence.

smiaras

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Bungalow Bill

Apologies Hanza, I meant Nero.

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On the moderator issue, I think we're doing okay without one, aren't we? In the last 2 months when the board has been really busy, can anyone think of anything a moderator would've been needed for? There's been genuine discussion, no off topic posts (some threads drift off a bit, but it's always wrestling related) and we've had no spammers or wrestling haters. There's not much for a moderator to do around here.

NeroTheExtreme

It's not that he's not worthy of the strap, although he hasn't really proved it to me as he's done very little in the ring in the last year due to injury. I just think that it's time for him to give someone else a shot while he recovers, rather than continue to grace our screens via a tron or something equally daft.

I read 411mania all the time, I read Scott Keiths rants like a born again would read a bible. But it's not that i so much agree with them, he just shares the very same opinion that i have always had about certain workers and the business in general.

Nero