Q3L Finals.

Zero

Was talkin to a few lads about the Q3L Finals.

Jedi has decided to have them over the net, which is his call, as he is running the league.

I just want to know what people think. Personally, I think we should play the Finals on a LAN. The main reason being that granted, its generally better to play games in a league over the net, as people cant constantly meet up. But now its down to the last four teams, its to see which team is the best at the moment, and to keep it all on a level ground, we should play it on a lan. Look at H, for example, a team of excellent players, who dial in from bleedin Waterford on a collossal ping, and its a credit to them that they got this far.
The LPB/HPB rule is fine for during a big league and all that, but when its down to the crunch, with 4 teams left, I think it should be on a LAN. Like I said, its about which team is the best, not who has the faster modem, or who is sitting on a T1, especially when there is a few quid riding on it all. That's my opinion anyhoo, let me know what ppl think.

Zero.

"Is this some white kunntz joke that black kunntz don't get? Coz I'm not fukking laughing, NIKKOLAS!"

Lucutus

afaik, BiO wouldn't be able to field a team here (In Ireland), if it was to go to a LAN, (Assuming of course that we beat H in the semi playoff, perhaps we will, IF we can get a whole fúckin' team out!).

Being the one of the HPB's in BiO, I'd welcome it, with open arms, but I don't think we can field a team @ a LAN here. *shrug*.

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Predator

well id have to say net
basically most of our lads cant do lan atm , some of us doing exams and meandy is in scotland so i dunno what his stand on comin to eire to play a lan game is.
Another point is that yes the irish qw scene did die after the iqcl lan
the reason because it took so long after the ending of the league to play the finals at the lan that no new compos got started cos everyone was waiting for the lan event.Another point would be while we all have same advantage on lan we still all have the same disadvantages on net.
Yeve all played qw and im sure if u cant frag someone with 30 -250 ping what chance do u have on a lan?
G
comence *****ing

Predator

that word stared out is B I T C H I N G

Zero

well if the finals ARENT on a lan, maybe the restrictions could be lifted on LPBs. Like I already said, when it comes down to the top four, there shouldnt be crippled teams in there. I'm not just spouting from a se7en point of view, I'm actually thinking more of Hurlin, coz they havent a hope with their connections, and they have got this far. PS too, ye played deadly on the lan, but if theres a bad server on the day, all the modemers could be done in. Unless there is a very good reason not to play it on a lan, i think we should, maybe not for 7 vs DK as DK are more net-based, but any other teams can easily organise it.

Overlord

We should definitely play the finals on a LAN for one reason - the best team will win.

walt

Yo!
I am actually going to voice my opinion on this one.
I iz up for de lanz in de kwaik semis alright. Lan would be fairer for everybody and ..........tis great craic.
Laters
Div

damo

lan

ButcherOfNog

I'm actually thinking more of Hurlin, coz they havent a hope with their connections

what exactly is wrong with their conns? its the same internet we're all playing over, or do they have some special crap internet, the celeron internet or summit?

Lucutus

Originally posted by ButcherOfNog:
...or do they have some special crap internet, the celeron internet or summit?

rofl, with ATI rage 128 vid cards, 9600 baud modems and 4 megs of ram.

Slaanesh

I think it should definietly be hosted at a LAN, it is the only totally fair way of seeing which clan is the best !!!

sam

lan, unless one of the teams totally cant play or something.. but if both teams can make it then definitely lan

Jedi

Would like to hear everyones opinion too, but only from clans members involved in semifinals pls. Keep in mind that there is still an english clan involved, BIO and that some clans have english members like Dk (Meandy). I have however made my decision to have it on the Net. But still would like to hear everyone else opinion.


Tom (Jedi)

DeVore

My god Zero. A rational post without a single rascial slur!

I agree wholeheartedly, its Jedis call but Lan's Yer Man.

DeV.

Jedi

jesus dev are you in semis

Vorosha

Why not just play it on a LAN if it's possible? Give teams the option. Net overruling LAN if 1 team so chooses.

creative

Well Hurlin are not in the finals yet. We still have to play BIO. But if we do get through to the finals I would prefer to play on a lan.

Reasons....
1. My self and Daire for example ( I am sure there are plenty of others) have been crippled by poor connects. Games could have gone anyway because of them. But picture the finals....2 of your team are rendered usless because there connects...you loose. You end up seeing another team win...a teasm you know you'd murder on a lan...but it was out of your hands. Whilst this could be a good thing if you win.....wouldnt you be bitter if you didnt.

2. Atmosphere...lans rock. The build up the, game, the post match annalysis, shouting abuse at the other team during play...i site Tom and Eric. And most of all the fairness.

3. Tom on you other post you talked about clans playing a different team for net and lans....saying this would be unfair to some clan members. I reckon this is a clan issue.....for you to decide....not for the league admins to patrol. I reckon the team that got you there is the team you should play.

7. I thought i had more points to make.

Are we talking about having just the finals or the semi's too on a LAN. Semi's to me reckons....you'd could have the third place play offs there too.

Jedi

Do any of us work during the day ?

DeVore

DOH
Jedi, you posted that at the same time I did.

I think anyone in the league should really voice their opinion, which still rules me out


DeV.

Jedi

DeVore

and I missed Zero's sig. I wondered that there couldnt be a clean post from Z.

DeV.

Jedi

Well as you can see 2 clans (BIO and DK) have diagreed with having it on lan. So LAN is out for the semi finals. When the semis are complete we'll see who has got through to final and see what the story is then ok.

By the way the prize will be;

100 cash per team mamber. A total of 400 for the winning team. Nicely presented in a brown envelope. But at the moment its looking like Net.

Jedi

Zero

Originally posted by Jedi:
Well as you can see 2 clans (BIO and DK) have diagreed with having it on lan. So LAN is out for the semi finals. When the semis are complete we'll see who has got through to final and see what the story is then ok.

Nice one Tom, thanks.

creative

if we make it beyond the semi's..then id still be up for a lan final

MindPhuck

Excellent news and its nice to finally see a thread with some thought behind it.

But I think in honesty, we should drop the hpb/lpb restrictions even for the semis. Hurling dont stand a chance with the naf connections from waterford.

I think the whole idea of this thread is for fairness and 'in fairness' H dont stand a chance with their connections. I believe that it would be better for everyone if this was possible.

Wacha reckon?

ButcherOfNog

its on sunday? let them ring dublin and/or test out some of the many other isp's.

Jaden

If I may make a suggestion that may be agreeable to all parties.

The 2 LPB restriction should be lifted for such games, if they are played over the net. BUT, only if both teams can field more than 2 LPBs. For example if if team "A" can field 4 LPBs, and team "B" can field 3 LPBs, then it is obvious that each team should be let field 3 LPBs for the game.

It's not really breaking the rules set out, more bending them in an attempt to make the playing field more even. It also does so without giving any team an unfair advantage, ie those 7 scum who could easily have 4 LPBs for any game.

Just an idea. I know there will be war if during any of the semis a modem player drops because of poor connects, and that team suffer as a result.

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Lucutus

Wait a sec, What if BiO can't get 2 more LPB's? This was a LPB/HPB league from the start, keep it that way.

How is it fair if the rules and guidelines are changed halfway thru, or when it starts getting important, down to the last 5 or so clans?

There's plenty of ISP's, I've never even done a check to see which one would be the best for me, all I do is log on and play.

This league was set up to be played online as the first Q3 league in Ireland, personally, I reckon it's done pretty well so far. If people feel there's been mistakes made in the organisation and/or rules of it, then they can go ahead and change the format for the next one to suit the majority. IMHO, the first IQ3L has been excellent and very fair thus far, don't change a thing lads.

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Vorosha

What is your problem BUTCVHER? Why are you hear sneaking in your ignorant, snotty little comments? Have you no clue?

"Oooooh why don't the unemployed just eeeh... get a fcuking job? eeeh have they no hands to work with? eeeeh wah blah blah"

Go away you little weasel, before you ruin my day.

El_Presidente

How will lifting the lpb restriction make it all fair?

Can H suddenly field 4 lpbs somehow?

DK can only field one (as far as I know)

PS can field 2 (at a stretch)

I have no idea about BIO

This leaves 7 being the only team who would benifit by being able to field 4 lpbs.

Chaos

dk can get one lpb if there lucky
and 4 players if there lucky

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MindPhuck

Steady on there El-Pres.

How will lifting the lpb restriction make it all fair?,...

This leaves 7 being the only team who would benifit by being able to field 4 lpbs.

Lets be factfull then instead of preconceived ideas. For the whole League Se7en has been crippled because we have to field HPBs which are not our top four players. We have live with that. Thats cool tho.

Secondly, the only reason why I brought this up is that Hurling proved that they could probably beat any team on an even playing field. At trinlan, they beat 4P, PS and narrowly lost to us.

Oh and I could equally say the same smart assed sh1te. How about -
PS are the ones who can benifit that Hurling DONT have lpbs since they were beaten by them on a lan with equal connections, but on the net they will get destroyed with their ****e connects..

Dont get me started, this can go round in circles. I made a simple suggestion. This was a nice conversation. 'its a in-fairness tread'




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daire

I think I can clear up all this.

H will be playing Bio + (maybe)PS this Sunday, one after another. Because of the BiO game being a NET game the PS game will also have to be a NET game because we won't be able to organise to switch from 2LPB/2HPB to 4LPB.

If we then meet Se7en in the final we can then discuss the LAN meet which I think we're all equally interested in.

In other words this dicussion can be left to a later date. This weekend will have to continue as 2LPB/2HPB.

Sorted?

Sonic

lads there is an open invitation to any hpbs involved in the coming games to play from ul. the connect is failry stable during the w/e and it has an excellent uptime since the hurlin 4p fiasco and btw bring beer

creative

Points taken Eric and Jaden and I agree with yee.

Just for the record though.

We never played 4p, and damo is our only player in waterford...as it happens he's got quite a good modem connection too.

We can only play 4 lpb's if we're on a lan....or we all head down to UL....in which case we may as well have a lan.

Myself and daire are vagrants......get a connection wherever we can. Usually a digital connection in a Net cafe or someth' but usually a crap one.

I understand everyones point of view in this thread...except butchers....why are you posting butcher? Your not in the league, and your opinion sux.... your Marie Antoinettesque style opinion, "let them eat cake", is hardly constructive towards this discussion. To entertain the ignorance of gitt who knows it all though......in built areas, apparment blocks, or office blocks, where Eircom (in all they're wisenss...(have you applied for a job there butcher)....daisy chained the connections rendering internet play hopeless, untill all of the 300 or appartments, where i live at least shut up and hang up their phones....somewhere around 2am.

I reckon Tom has the final say...well i dont reckon...he does. What i do reckon is that at the minimum, the original rules should be observerd, unless the two clans involved in a game come to an agangement.

So where DK and BIO are concered, I am sure they will want 2hpb/2lpb to continue....for they're matches. Other clans should observe this.

It's also clear that Hurlin and Seven ...should they meet, will want a lan. Cool. Dont know where PS stand.

Predator

lads in all fairness the only clan to benefit from the lpb restriction removal would be 7(having 4 lpbs) maybe other clans too if they all travel to ul:/.
neways problem , ive just done in me arm and dont know if its broke ( john ure not allowed laugh) i dunoo if ill be able to play this weekend! ne chance of postponement if my arm is knackered?it could get better i can move my fingers
neways aswell dk can also only field a possible of two lpbs and dont wana have to play against 3 or 4lpbs while we have none or 1.
and in all fairness ye cant go chjanging the rules midway thru season.
G

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juNkie

Doozer has like 7 lpb's, we won't be able to play next season if this restriction is not lifted.

ButcherOfNog

i'm stating my opinion cause we're in the league and this sort of "arrangement" will set a precedent. its exactly this sort of bull that ruined the qw leagues in ireland, the q2 ones were ruined by ign taking it over and then doing shag all with it. if q3 isn't to go the same way, season 2 needs to start a few weeks after season 1 finishes.

if H want to rely on players who don't have a net connection to play in a net league then ... like ... i dunno, thats their problem, not the leagues or the other clans that play in it. this IQ3CL is supposed to find the best irish 2 HPB/2 LPB team is it not? If you want a LAN league/tourney, fine, go have one, theres no point having this league if the rules are going to be screwed around for individual clans.

ButcherOfNog

ah and junks right, remove the lpb restrictions for season 2, and possibly split the league into 2 division, so mostly hpb teams can play in div2

Zero

sigh....fair enough lads, whatever you think.
It's not as if se7en give a sh1t, we're gonna get to the final anyway. We just wouldnt like to see H go out of a league semi final because of sh1t connections.
Oi Pred, you'll get worse than a sore arm if you keep that up, it'll fall off, or you'll go blind or something.

Zero.

"Is this some white kunntz joke that black kunntz don't get?? 'Coz I'm not FUKKING laughing nik-OLAS! "

Predator

Zero i mean what is ure agro prob man?
im not demanding a p[ostponment its actually ****ed if its broke and dk cant field a 4 man team 7 can have their walkover.
but if its not broke i cant see any reason why a weeks delay woulnt be out of the question.
neways i reckon we maybe can field a team without me or even a 3 lpb team if 7 want:/
g
but if tom sez no to more than 2 lpbs for the semis and final:/

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Jedi

Lets leave next seasons talk for another time lads.

The story is the Semi finals will be played on Net this comming sunday and the 2 lpb restriction will be in place as always.

We'll discuss the final on sunday evening ok.

Best of luck to all clans involved this comming weekend.

Tom (Jedi)

Zero

I said nothing about a postponement, pred. I was slagging off your w@nkers cramp, that's all. Calm, my son.
Nice one about the lpbs, talk to MP about it.

Zero.

"Is this some white kunntz joke that black kunntz don't get?? 'Coz I'm not FUKKING laughing nik-OLAS! "

Predator

ahh w@nkers cramp, didnt see it cos err i kinda went blind for a sec.
damn ive sed too much

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creative

DISCLAIMER:

It is not the intention of Clan Hurlin to mutilate the Rules of this league or anyother for our own benifit.

We got fairly far with "players who don't have a net connection to play in a net league".

WE DO NOT NEED A RULE CHANGE IN ORDER TO WIN!!....butcher...you seem to be hung up on this issue.

If we keep playing by the 2hpb/2lpb thats fine. We have good lpbs and good hpbs We are sorted conection wise for this weekend and the following if need be.

I think the whole discussion started because we pondered on how to make the Final a better event.

I or none of Hurlin have at any stage proposed any perminant rule changes...or suggested anything at all to do with Next years league.


All we are suggesting...ALL.....is that come the finals, if it suits the two teams to play on a LAN.....then to do so. We have not heard even a mention by anybody (including butchernog) to the effet that modem is better.


BUTCHER.....IF YOU ARE HAVING DIFFICULTY READING THIS SIZE FONT OR THERE ARE TOO MANY COLOURS FOR YOU TO HANDLE, LET ME KNOW, I WILL MAIL YOU A VERY BIG, CLEAR, SIMPLE COPY, I CAN BORROW AN A2 PRINTER.

creative

DISCLAIMER:

It is not the intention of Clan Hurlin to mutilate the Rules of this league or anyother for our own benifit.

We got fairly far with "players who don't have a net connection to play in a net league".

WE DO NOT NEED A RULE CHANGE IN ORDER TO WIN!!....butcher...you seem to be hung up on this issue.

If we keep playing by the 2hpb/2lpb thats fine. We have good lpbs and good hpbs We are sorted conection wise for this weekend and the following if need be.

I think the whole discussion started because we pondered on how to make the Final a better event.

I or none of Hurlin have at any stage proposed any perminant rule changes...or suggested anything at all to do with Next years league.


All we are suggesting...ALL.....is that come the finals, if it suits the two teams to play on a LAN.....then to do so. We have not heard even a mention by anybody (including butchernog) to the effet that modem is better.


BUTCHER.....IF YOU ARE HAVING DIFFICULTY READING THIS SIZE FONT OR THERE ARE TOO MANY COLOURS FOR YOU TO HANDLE, LET ME KNOW, I WILL MAIL YOU A VERY BIG, CLEAR, SIMPLE COPY, I CAN BORROW AN A2 PRINTER.

Chaos

you didnt see it cause you got a hair in your eye gar. Wonder where that came from

Howd you break it?
And yes i did laugh when i read it:P

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daire

I think Jedi has just confirmed what I thought I'd cleared up a good few posts ago. This is the only way the final games can be played. Seeya at the LAN Se7en!

MindPhuck

Played Tom. Grand stuff. Enough said.

madyoke

OHhhhhh meine Mutti!

was soll ich machen ?

ich habe keine Wurst zu essen

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh mutti!

hilf mir!

bitte bitte

bald bald

ohhhhhhhhh neeeeeein

der Zeit ist nun, ich bin tot!

Predator

errm i chipped me radius so i wont be playing and dk can only field 2 lpbs now and err maybe it could be beerter by sunday as its not in a cast.
but regardless we should have 4 players.
g.

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