Very disturbing e-mail : Opinions plaese

Wolf

I have just recived an e-mail from someone I have never meet and someone that certainly shouldnt have my e-mail address.

First off ill explain whats going on. I meet this girl Caroline when I was in Belfast and she is from Perth. She is a great girl very pleasent and a great friend. I honestly don't want anything more than a friendship with her and this is all that has existed between us for the past 2 years.

I decided to go traveling recently and found myself in Perth. So I caught up with the lady. We have shared a bed, without anything even remotely happening and on top of that I never really discused her boy friend with her as a general point. In that is none of my bussiness and Im not sure shes ready to talk about it anyway.

The main point is that there is friendship between me and the girl and notthing more. I like it that way, always have liked it that way, and always will like it that way.

So imagine the surpize I get when I recive this e-mail..............

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this is your karma here.

we have never met but we have spoken a few times unfortunatly.
when a man is trying to take another mans wife he will go to amazing lengths to satisfy and achieve his desires, you have not stopped your pursuit of caroline from the moment you met her, on the phone, by e-mail and even flying half way around the world always knowing truthfully in your heart she was already with someone, she proberbly did not tell you about our marriage but if you manage to catch her in a rare moment of clarity she will confirm we exchanged vows in febuary 2001.

i"m not angry with you i"m just here to let you know about karma and whats in store for you in your life. we can take it as done that once we do something wrong it will be coming back to us generally multiplied, which seems a very high price to pay and a little unfair at the time but when your time comes and YOUR LOVE IS taken from you as will surely happen, you will always know it happened because of what you had already done (do not be angry with the person who takes her as they were just like you, and think of me because forever i will be there).

i know this is not a very nice prospect but hopefully it will help you channel your reasons for living in a direction more suitable with your soul. i know at the moment you will have many excuses and reasons for your actions (including blame towards caroline for not being very honest and prehaps giving you the wrong impressions but that just could be the way you wanted to see things) but in the eyes of karma we are all responcable for our own actions come what may and ignorance is not an excuse.

we all know whats right and whats wrong and you must surely know what you did was wrong as you had already spoken with me on the phone, unless you convinced yourself that i did not exsist or perhaps "quote" you thought you could have given her a much happier life, yes caroline did confide in me about yoyu, it is a catastrophic mistake to think we(you, me, anyone) have the power to make others happy, happiness is a state of BEING and you, i, or anyonne for that matter cannot effect or change that only within ourselfs, the result of which now we have a caroline who is further from her happiness but also lost, lonely and confused.

after reading this you may feel a bit down about yourself and what you have done, if you do, do"nt worry things do get better , much better with time, if you do"nt, fear not as one day you most certainly will i promise, try to except all that life now has instore for you and see it as just lessons that we have to learn so as to gain knowedge.
one thing is certain it is impossible to change anything that is alrerady done so i hope you face the challenge of your life, except your failings, embrace your payments for those failings with the same choice that you gave me.

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Well now you can see how stange this is. He shouldnt even have my e-mail. Anyway all opoinions would be very helpfull.

Thanks all

OfflerCrocGod

She gave it to him?:dunno:, it's kinda odd since you say you guys never had sex.....unless she is delusional.....he jumped to some conclusions and got the e-mail address by snoping?. Either way contact her and tell her to tell the truth to her other half, I'd doubt he would believe anything you say as for what she says to him.......it's worth a try.

MrNuked

Ask Caroline about it.

I hate weirdoes. Why are there so many freaks?

I'd be jealous if my gf shared a bed with another guy, regardless of whether sex was involved or not, because that's quite an intimate thing to do.
But the guy who wrote this sounds like a fruitcake and I would guess Caroline wants nothing to do with him from the way he referred to the marriage vows.

Difficult to comment further without more information.

Wolf

Only thing is they have been on the rocks for quite some time now as far as I can tell. My e-mail is one thing she would have no reason to give her :dunno: (about time we have this smiley)

Anyway I intend to talk to her but I also don't want to drop this guy in it too much hes obviously a touch delusional:dunno:

MrNuked

you don't owe him anything. I think he should definitely be discouraged from acting in such a disturbing manner. I think you should definitely ask Caroline what it's all about.

Cake Fiend

What a wuss. He would give up his wife that easily?

But yeah, talk to Caroline about it first (it could even be someone trying to play with your head). It's not really your problem though.

Samson

Originally posted by Wolf
...I also don't want to drop this guy in it too much...

Eh, why?

Fuck him, the nutter. Tell her.

Or better still, forward it to her.

It's like this:
If what the guy says is true, she should have told you
If he is delusional and making it up, she needs to be warned.

logic

Originally posted by Wolf
Only thing is they have been on the rocks for quite some time now as far as I can tell.....

Do you think that she would have used that night as an excuse to break up with him?

Victor

Warning: Very cruel.

How about sending an e-mail from your "work colleague" saying "I'm not sure how well you knew Wolf, but I have to inform you of some bad news. Wolf was killed in a car accident last Friday. The funeral was on Monday. I will pass your regards on to his family."?

Karma has come full circle and he can move on with his life and you need not fear the fundamentalist Buddist (ironic phrase of the week) in him

Victor

PS. Tell Caroline the truth, by phone.

Capt'n Midnight

Well at least he's not angry with you
Just tell your self that Buddists are pacifists

Are you sure she hasn't got one of her mates to do a wind up ?

limerickbabe

i reckonits the caroline girl writing the email pretending to be her man!!!!!

Shes crazy stay clear?? As a girl myself I know shes trying to get u back why I dont know but she is!! Stay clear

Webmonkey

Originally posted by limerickbabe
i reckonits the caroline girl writing the email pretending to be her man!!!!!

mee think same

ColinM

Oh Wolf, you always have the most entertaining problems!

she proberbly did not tell you about our marriage

So you didn't know that they were married.

ignorance is not an excuse.

Of course it bloody well is.
Are you to assume that every girl you meet is married and therefore stay away from her in case the karma bogie man gets you?

I do get the impression though that there are things going on here you are not telling us and/or she is not telling you. It doesn't sound normal for a happily married woman to share a bed with another man, whether there is sex or not. Also, did you indeed promise her that you could give her a happier life than the man who you thought was her boyfriend?

I'd be glad you live 3000 miles away to be honest. If you do reply, please tell him I said he was a mong for not knowing the difference between "except" and "accept". That'll hopefully help to smooth things over.

ColinM

Originally posted by limerickbabe
i reckonits the caroline girl writing the email pretending to be her man!!!!!

Shes crazy stay clear?? As a girl myself I know shes trying to get u back why I dont know but she is!! Stay clear

U txt dat in?

Webmonkey

Originally posted by ColinM
U txt dat in?

over 160chars

krattapopov

forward it to her

Victor

Originally posted by krattapopov
forward it to her

Find one of the services on the internet that allows you to e-mail someone and it looks like it came from someone else (i.e. it looks like it comes from the other guys e-mail)

skittishkitten

Originally posted by limerickbabe
i reckonits the caroline girl writing the email pretending to be her man!!!!!

Was my thinking too . But I would be tempted to forward it to her , see what she has to say . Let her know your not comfortable with the situation, that it just wasn't acceptable. She at least should get a chance to explain.

Lemming

My first reaction was "Caroline wrote this". It's:

a) very f*cking 'out there'
b) rather concisely detailed and would have to have involved Caroline telling "him" every minute detail which he then noted down in writing there and then

c) I smell a rat. Allow me to elaborate:

when a man is trying to take another mans wife he will go to amazing lengths to satisfy and achieve his desires, you have not stopped your pursuit of caroline from the moment you met her, on the phone, by e-mail and even flying half way around the world always knowing truthfully in your heart she was already with someone

Seems a little too intimate and all-encompassing to have been mentioned in passing. There's too many " ... " after some of the phrasing in there as if further knowledge is in there.


However, if it's not Caroline, she needs to have this shown to her and the truth about the _fruit-cake_ who wrote this known to you (and possibly even herself). Please note the emphasis on "fruit-cake".

Sherlock

Nothing inferred here but why did you go to bed with a girl you just knew as a friend?.You travelled halfway around the world and met up with someone you met here.Have to say that going to bed with someone suggests more than friendship, could you not have had separate rooms?

MrNuked

Find one of the services on the internet that allows you to e-mail someone and it looks like it came from someone else (i.e. it looks like it comes from the other guys e-mail)

I think fusemail allows you to edit the 'reply to' and 'from' tags.

but I'd advocate the direct approach myself. Ask her what it's about. If you think that she's making up the husband then ask him what's it all about too and ask if you can ring him because you need to find out what's going on.
Or something like that.

Sherlock

Nothing inferred here but why did you go to bed with a girl you just knew as a friend?.You travelled halfway around the world and met up with someone you met here.Have to say that going to bed with someone suggests more than friendship, could you not have had separate rooms?.Would you be happy if your girlfriend told you that she went to bed with some male friend of hers?

tinkerbell

That email is seriously weird!!!!

I reckon forward it to Caroline, and see what she says. I mean, there's somethin seriously wrong if you're MARRIED and don't tell someone, and share a bed with them .... that's jus plain odd!

Gummy Panda

Doesn't seem like that email is from her man.

Its too calm for a married man who's found out his wife slept in some blokes bed. I'm not saying every man thinks they're conan the barbarian but it seems to intimated.

Confront them and ask wtf is going on!!

dod

Compare the headers in this email with the headers in the emails you've received from her.

Smells a bit fishy to be honest that he would be appraised in such intimate detail. I suspect that all is not quite as it seems.

Caesar_Bojangle

To be honest I've slept - or perhaps better described as passed out, in a bed with mates and nothing kinky happened.

Your best bet is probably forwarding the email to her and ask her what she makes of it.

He sounds a bit like the lad from Road Trip.

swiss

Okay, frankly I fail to see what the big deal is about. Carolines 'supposed' husband (btw did you know she was married?) sends you an email trying to make you feel bad about yourself, when (assuming you're telling the whole truth - sorry) you did nothing of which you could be ashamed. Okay, sleeping with someone is an intimate act, but friends do share beds, especially when it is convenient to do so, for example if there is only one bed available.

I know this sounds obvious, but this fellow is seriously misguided. He is posing many assumptions as fact. Let's look at these assumptions.

1) That you travelled to perth specifically to see Caroline

2) That you believe in the concept of Karma. I personally don't. What that guy is saying can be interpreted as: "what goes around comes around". This to me is a veiled threat, but since he's in Perth, what is he going to do?

3) That you are trying to justify your actions to yourself. What do you have to justify?

4) That he knows how to spell.

Now, if I was in your position, I would be tempted to keep him as a pet troll, unless you thought he would get back to Caroline with whatever inane ramblings he had to offer her. Let's try the following.

> we have never met but we have spoken a few times unfortunatly.

I don't believe we've ever corresponded in any way, shape or form. Can you be more specific when you say "spoken a few times". Can you give me any specific times, dates or places. Unless you're still referring to yourself as "karma", in which case you're correct. I've never met my karma. Given that karma is defined as " The total effect of a person's actions and conduct during the successive phases of the person's existence, regarded as determining the person's destiny.", I don't expect I ever will.

> when a man is trying to take another mans wife he will go to amazing lengths to satisfy and achieve his desires

You're probably right. He most likely will. C'est l'amour, non? In any case the rest of your diatribe is based on several flawed premises ---- see above for listing of flawed assumptions

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> but in the eyes of karma we are all responcable for our own actions come what may and ignorance is not an excuse.

I don't need a buddism lecture, thanks. I do find it amusing that you feel that "ignorance is not an excuse". Your entire email seems steeped in it.

One thing. How did you get my email address? Oh wait, don't bother to answer that. In fact don't bother to send me any email again. Work out whatever you have to work out with Caroline.

Oh, and since we're being so open and honest here, do you mind if I forward on your last email to Caroline? No? Great, thanks!

Or you could just block his email address and forget about it. Up to you tbh.

Wolf

In particular id like to thank Victor, Lemming and Swiss all very good stuff

And many thanks for all the replies.

Right I should clear alot of this up.

1/ They have been split for about one year now to my knowledge.

2/ They have never been maried as far as I know.

3/ That night in her bed was just an example of how pultonic our relationship is, we have never even kissed ever !!!

4/ I have come to Oz to see Oz not to see her end of story. Before I left I made it very clear in my mind that i was going to travel and no other reason.

5/ I feel that in no way have I ever been involved in their relationship and I don't really want to be. If I was to pass on the e-mail would I not just be putting more stress and anger on her and more sh!t on a very lonly guy just so I can have peice of mind.

6/ I really don't think the e-mail is from her she is much more mature than that and would probably tell me what ever she needed to say out right no matter what it was. (shes very like that !!)

Wolf

Bah I did reply but it disappeared some where

Any way quick recap cuz I have to dash soon. Plz excuse spelling and grammer and post in general.

Big ta to Swiss Lemming and Victor some funneh and good stuff in there.

Few points

1/ No I have never splet with her, we have never even kissed at all ever!!!!

2/ I had no idea that she was married and tbh I still dont think that she is.

3/ Im not sure I should tell her as I dont think its fair to put worry on her and make him look even worse just so I can have peice of mind.

4/ The reason I ask about the mail is because what if she felt that I was one of the reasons that she should leave this guy then am I not to blame ? Although I never even hinted at any such thing.

Ill write more when I have time thanks million for all the replys. Yet again Borads is my constant compaoin

Capt'n Midnight

Originally posted by swiss
Now, if I was in your position, I would be tempted to keep him as a pet troll,

Wolf

One of the other things that worries me about the e-mail is the implied threat, fair enough it is implied through Karma, but, perhaps I still should be worried?

Gordon

Don't worry, according to boards - the karma system doesn't work.

Wolf for some reason your post needed validated. Not sure why yet. I have validated it also.

The Corinthian

SheroN

If it was me I'd try forgetting about it and moving on, you don't need episodes like this in your life.

Agent Smith

Originally posted by Webmonkey
over 160chars

nokia phones go over 160 char's! well the new one's do!




BUWAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHA It's X-mas!

billy the squid

Did she have a wedding ring on her the last time you seen her.

also you could just forwart the mail onto her, see what she thinks and use the "block sender" facility so you dont receive stuff like that again

yossarin

mail him and say you'll do it again the second he turns his back.

mail the girl. ask her wtf...

koneko

Christ what a wacko. Was he on something when he wrote that? He takes himself far too seriously aswell.

skittishkitten

Originally posted by Wolf


5/ I feel that in no way have I ever been involved in their relationship and I don't really want to be. If I was to pass on the e-mail would I not just be putting more stress and anger on her and more sh!t on a very lonly guy just so I can have peice of mind.

6/ I really don't think the e-mail is from her she is much more mature than that and would probably tell me what ever she needed to say out right no matter what it was. (shes very like that !!)

I can understand you not wanting to put stress and worry on your friend. BUT if this guy really was the one that wrote it without her knowledge would you not be "harming" her by not letting her know ? First off , he had to get your email address somehow , if she didn't give it to him then HOW did he get it ? Is he going into her personal email and reading it ? That would smack of invasion of privacy and if someone did that to me I would want to know ! Also if he is running about telling people they are married when their not and warning guys to stay away, then she has a right to know that also. The guy sounds mentally deranged and it could be the tip of a very big issue that could come back to bite her later if she is not warned now. If they ARE married and she has failed to tell you, that would be a rather important event to have not mentioned don't you agree ? Also I would wonder what had triggered his need to write you. He obviously precieves you as a threat to his relationship with her. Is it possibly that although you think of her as a friend that she doesn't see you in the same way ? It would be sad to loose a friend under such circumstances but I don't feel you would be doing either of you any good if you didn't make her aware of what has happened. She has a right to know - if for nothing else than for her own safety. However it would be nice if you waited until after Christmas to get bring it up

As for Karma , it's a double edged sword , cuts both ways you know.

ferdi

lock your windows and doors, and buy a gun.

Big al

f**k him, where does he live? OZ? f**k him

DeadBankClerk

Someone that does not use capital letters should not concern you.

Sleepy

Tell her, if he didn't get the mail adddress from her, he got it from her PC. Either way she should be aware of this fruit-loop. Oh, and send him a copy of a third class English Grammar book whilst you're at it!

lordsippa

Send a quick message to the email provider he used and send them a copy of the message. Claim that you read a veiled threat from it and that there's a lot of facts but also a lot of lies in it. Ask them to verify the identity of the sender <through IP logs, which they can use to get the phone number + address of guy and see if it was him>. Or something similar. Don't press charges or anything but just see if it WAS him. Could just be a prankster. Who knows?

Wolf

Hmm...... well I told her the other night about the e-mail. She did seem a bit pissed off, but aside from that she seem very glad that I told her.

Thanks everyone for the advice. I have replyed to the mail in my own way and will wait to see what he has to say. Although I honestly doubt that he will reply. If he does Ill be sure to post it up if its a strange as the last one.

Thanks one and all

Wolf

Victor

Originally posted by Wolf
I have replyed to the mail in my own way and will wait to see what he has to say. Although I honestly doubt that he will reply.

[Norn Ireland Accent]I know where you live.[/accent]

Pigman II

Don't worry that guy Wolf. People who make the loudest noise over the internet are usually the ones who have nothing to back it up.

I became friends with a woman once and had frequent email conversations with her during our first few weeks of knowing each other.

One day tho her boyfriend broke into her email and started reading what we were writing to each other. He became incensed and convinced himself that I was trying to muscle in on his woman. He sent me a couple of threatening emails. I simply fowarded what he was saying to me back to her for her inspection and opinion and as a result of it she gave him the boot.

He then sent me another email blaming ME for her dumping him and told me if he ever tracked me down he'd kill me. I told him if that's what he desired then he should meet me in a particular carpark at a particular date and time and I'd give him a small dose of reality. Needless to say he never turned up and more importantly never mailed me again.

Moral of the story ... don't worry about anything written in an email. Actions speak louder than words and if actions were on the horizon you definetly wouldn't be getting a written warning.

Señor Juárez

Wolf, did she give you any kind of response to what it may have been about?

what did you put in the email to the weirdo karma guy?

the_syco

Also, name & shame him.
Or just give his e-mail address --> Just kidding; that'd be bad karma.



Finally, the

lost, lonely and confused

bit seems to be an attempt to paint her fling, as he may have seen this, as nothing more than a run off to any man, and not just you.
It also seems that he thinks that without him, she'll crumble.

Sounds like a power freak. If you are any way frightened, I'l give you a self-defense e-book I found (US Military Field Manual - Hand to Hand Killing.pdf / FM 21-150) :ninja:

Kell

Originally posted by Victor
How about sending an e-mail from your "work colleague" saying "I'm not sure how well you knew Wolf, but I have to inform you of some bad news. Wolf was killed in a car accident last Friday. The funeral was on Monday. I will pass your regards on to his family."?

Karma has come full circle and he can move on with his life and you need not fear the fundamentalist Buddist (ironic phrase of the week) in him

Never ever tempt fate like that. I have pulled sickies from work with excuses like "the girlfriend has had a car crash" to find that weeks later she does and as a bit of a joke told a friend that another was pregnant to find out a week or so later that said friend was in fact pregnant.

N'er tempt fate. Never ever. She's a witch.

K-