Saddam Punishment??

Villain · 17-12-2003 3:46pm #1

Just wondering what punishment people think this yob should get.

I personally think he sould be stoned everyday by ten Iraqi people thats family suffered at his hands. But keep him fed etc and make sure he doesn't kill himself.

I'm sure people will say that is a breach of his Human Rights, well in my mind he doesn't have any, when you kill as many people as he did you lose an rights.

I also am opposed to the death penalty because it would be too quick for him.

rocco · 17-12-2003 4:01pm

even being stoned is not to bad for the likes of him they should be allowed to do what they want to him

ambasite · 17-12-2003 4:03pm

work for Transware PLC

pickarooney · 17-12-2003 4:05pm

He should be sent to the Hague and stoned every day.

ykt0di9url7bc3 · 17-12-2003 4:06pm

Betrayed American Patsy of the Year award...

A first for a man from the middle east...

for justice hand him over to the kurds and let them deal with him...anything else is Karma*

[*justice without the satisfaction]

Sleipnir · 17-12-2003 4:24pm

Originally posted by irish1
I personally think he sould be stoned everyday by ten Iraqi people thats family suffered at his hands. But keep him fed etc and make sure he doesn't kill himself.

Not that it would be against his human rights but that it would drag us down to his level of cruel, animal behaviour.
We'd be no better than him.

Villain · 17-12-2003 4:28pm

Originally posted by Kananga
Not that it would be against his human rights but that it would drag us down to his level of cruel, animal behaviour.
We'd be no better than him.

Well sometimes you have to go to their level to give a just punishment, the death penalty would be far too good for this fella.

Stark · 17-12-2003 4:29pm

Not that it would be against his human rights but that it would drag us down to his level of cruel, animal behaviour.
We'd be no better than him.

Well considering he tortured millions of innocent people and we'd just be torturing one extremely guilty person, I could say we'd still be quite a bit better than him.

Villain · 17-12-2003 4:30pm

Originally posted by k.oriordan
Well considering he tortured millions of innocent people and we'd just be torturing one extremely guilty person, I could say we'd still be quite a bit better than him.

Excellent point and well put:)

Stark · 17-12-2003 4:32pm

The scary thing is though, monster as he is, I just couldn't bring myself to do most of the things he did , to him, I'd just be wretching too much.

mike65 · 17-12-2003 4:33pm

I am opposed to capital punishment - I voted the death penalty...why? The Rudolf Hess argument. He was sentenced to a lifelong jail term and as a result as he got older and did'nt quiety die ppl started to actaully feel a little bit sorry for the old Nazi.

I'd sooner Saddam was consigned to history by his own ppl asap.

Mike.

Sleipnir · 17-12-2003 4:40pm

Originally posted by k.oriordan
Well considering he tortured millions of innocent people and we'd just be torturing one extremely guilty person, I could say we'd still be quite a bit better than him.

Well then you've proved that you can have as cruel and evil a mind as Saddam Hussein, meting out an inhuman punishment and taking the same satisfaction from it that he did.
Justice is not doing unto others as they have done to you.
I would hope that humans can evolve beyond that kind of pointless thuggery.

But, whatever you like. I'd just like to see you baying for blood when you cast the first stone. I don't think I'd see satisfaction, I think I'd see the horror of you wondering what you hda just done.

Josef Mengele used to keep his victims alive as long as possible, just to inflict more suffering on them in the name of research.
I would hope people don't believe they can do the same thing in the name of justice and have a clear conscience.

Villain · 17-12-2003 4:49pm

Originally posted by Kananga
But, whatever you like. I'd just like to see you baying for blood when you cast the first stone. I don't think I'd see satisfaction, I think I'd see the horror of you wondering what you hda just done.

Josef Mengele used to keep his victims alive as long as possible, just to inflict more suffering on them in the name of research.
I would hope people don't believe they can do the same thing in the name of justice and have a clear conscience.

I wouldn't personally want to do it, but if you were an Iraqi and some of your family was tortured and killed on this mans request then you might want to and I don't think I would stand in there way saying it was injust.

This man's crimes deserve punishment not relief and the death penalty would be that.

bonkey · 17-12-2003 6:20pm

Originally posted by irish1
I wouldn't personally want to do it,

Yeah...I'm guessing most of the people who are willing to throw any form of concept of Universal Human Rights out the window when it comes to dealing with the really bad people will also take such a cop-out...

"He deserves sub-human treatment, but only as long as its not me who has to give it to him".

If you think he deserves it, you should be willing to do it.

jc

Villain · 17-12-2003 6:44pm

Originally posted by bonkey
Yeah...I'm guessing most of the people who are willing to throw any form of concept of Universal Human Rights out the window when it comes to dealing with the really bad people will also take such a cop-out...

"He deserves sub-human treatment, but only as long as its not me who has to give it to him".

If you think he deserves it, you should be willing to do it.

jc

Well I would do if he had murdered ot hurt of my family, I can gurantee you that, I would gladly stone him to death if that was the case!!!

Syth · 18-12-2003 11:53am

well in my mind he doesn't have any, when you kill as many people as he did you lose an rights.

Ah but i'll bet that many evil people have said that their victims didn't have human rights, so it was ok to do it. Eg Hitler said that disabled people were 'life unworthy of life' so they didn't have any human rights, so it was ok to kill them.

Also I'm sure that there are many, many people out there who have suffered at the ahnds of Saddam, and they would love to hurt him, but just because someone wants to do something doesn't mean that they should be allowed to do that thing.

Gillie · 18-12-2003 12:48pm

Let him rot in Jail!
Death is too fast! I'm just glad they caught him! What happens with him now doesn't really interest me only I think to kill him would be a cop out!
Let the B*stard rot!:mad:

Stark · 18-12-2003 1:53pm

stick him a cell with a load of iraqi prisoners, and let the guards turn a blind eye.

Victor · 18-12-2003 10:18pm

Originally posted by irish1
Well sometimes you have to go to their level to give a just punishment, the death penalty would be far too good for this fella.

Much as the stone him every day option appeals to my humourous side, that is retribution, not punishment.

SeeYouJimmy · 18-12-2003 10:33pm

He should be made to write "Americans go home" all over the front of one of his presedential palaces, and if he dosent have it done by morning, they should cut his balls off

Victor · 18-12-2003 10:48pm

Originally posted by SeeYouJimmy
He should be made to write "Americans go home" all over the front of one of his presedential palaces, and if he dosent have it done by morning, they should cut his balls off

In Latin?*

*Homage to "Life of Brian" http://bau2.uibk.ac.at/sg/python/Scripts/LifeOfBrian/brian-08.html

SeeYouJimmy · 18-12-2003 10:54pm

indeed!

earwicker · 19-12-2003 7:47pm

Originally posted by Victor
Much as the stone him every day option appeals to my humourous side, that is retribution, not punishment.

Sounds a bit like hairsplitting to me. Is there a rigorous technical distinction you are invoking here? If so, I'd appreciate hearing it.

Cork · 20-12-2003 3:03pm

I would give Saddam a fair trial.

I don't believe in the death penelty making a martyr out of people.

I don't believe in torture -

So - possible sanctions would include a lenghy jail sentence.

Victor · 22-12-2003 10:32pm

Originally posted by earwicker
Sounds a bit like hairsplitting to me. Is there a rigorous technical distinction you are invoking here? If so, I'd appreciate hearing it.

No I don't think there is a rigorous technical distinction, however retribution suggests "going medieval" on someone, as opposed to imposing the legal sanction in a fair, even and just way.

Paddy20 · 22-12-2003 11:30pm

Personally, I prefer to wait until after he has been officially charged by an internationally recognised civilised judiciary, and tried before a proper humane Court.

Before I would feel justified in deciding what punishment is appropriate. This would depend on the crimes he is found guilty of commiting or being responsible for, in a Court of Law.

P.:ninja:

[Preacher] · 22-12-2003 11:41pm

Give him a pat on the back.

chill · 23-12-2003 12:53pm

Put him on trial.

Let him rot in jail for the rest of his life.

Leave a poster of George and Daddy Bush on his wall.

Make him read out the preamble to the American constitution every day before he gets fed.

Give him a tv with only one channel - FoxNews.

Villain · 23-12-2003 12:56pm

Originally posted by Paddy20
Personally, I prefer to wait until after he has been officially charged by an internationally recognised civilised judiciary, and tried before a proper humane Court.

Before I would feel justified in deciding what punishment is appropriate. This would depend on the crimes he is found guilty of commiting or being responsible for, in a Court of Law.

P.:ninja:

You what, not many of the hundreds of thousands he comdenmned to death had such a luxury. Let the Iraqi people decide, International law should not get involved here, the Iraqi people deserve the right to punish him there way without trial if they wish.

Paddy20 · 23-12-2003 1:06pm

irish1,

So, you propose that 'mob rule' is what should be allowed ?. Very civilised!.

P.:ninja:

Villain · 23-12-2003 1:13pm

Originally posted by Paddy20
irish1,

So, you propose that 'mob rule' is what should be allowed ?. Very civilised!.

P.:ninja:

I think the Iraqi people deserve the right to decide the faith of the man that ruled them in such a manner. I don't think anyone apart from the people of Iraqi should be allowed to trial him.

dod · 23-12-2003 1:16pm

Send him to man the phones in Eircom support. That'll break him.

Victor · 23-12-2003 6:24pm

Originally posted by irish1
I think the Iraqi people deserve the right to decide the faith of the man that ruled them in such a manner. I don't think anyone apart from the people of Iraqi should be allowed to trial him.

And what of all the Iranians and Kuwaitis he killed, do they (or their families or governments) not have a voice?

Sand · 24-12-2003 1:34am

And what of all the Iranians and Kuwaitis he killed, do they (or their families or governments) not have a voice?

They should trust in the Iraqi judicial system to bring about the correct decision.

Personally I feel its very important that the Iraqis are the ones to try and punish Saddam. The Arabs in general were humilated that it was an American APC tearing down Saddams statue in Baghdad in May. They were humilitated that it was American troops dragging this once feared dictator out of a hole in the ground. The Iraqis and Arabs in general need to see that they have just as an important role to play in banishing the past rather than it being imposed from outside by organisations such as the U.N. which dont forget starved the average Iraqi with their sanctions.

ur mentor · 24-12-2003 1:39pm

Years of Community service in Disneyland

Cork · 26-12-2003 1:47am

Or he might have to watch RTE. (Lyrics Board etc).

Hopefully, he'll get due process.

snickerpuss · 03-01-2004 2:41pm

i think that doing what he done to others makes you just as bad as him
i truely believe that an eye for an eye makes the world blind.

Capt'n Midnight · 03-01-2004 3:24pm

Leaving aside the death penalty (he knows too much to get a fair trial ?)

He should be subject to Iraqi law of course - but are there any immunity clauses for heads of state ?
(or at worst international law - but only if members of the invading army also submit to international law too.)

with certain non-derogable rights under the ICCPR, including the right to life and the non-retroactivity of criminal laws.

As for stoning - how many of you guys really want to see a return to Islamic religious law - or maybe a televised public beheading like they'd do in Saudi ? (getting as many doreigners to watch as they can)

kelle · 03-01-2004 4:49pm

In 1994, a young American tourist vandalised two cars in a street in Singapore. He got caught, and was sentenced to 6 lashes. Apparently they involve the use of a whip and cause intense pain. There was uproar around the world about how barbaric this was, and eventually the punishment was reduced to 2 lashes. I bet you he never vandalised cars again. Why not subject Saddam to this torture 10 times daily every day for the rest of his life. It's nothing compared to what he did to his victims, so you can't say I'm as bad as him!

Villain · 03-01-2004 8:52pm

Originally posted by snickerpuss
i think that doing what he done to others makes you just as bad as him
i truely believe that an eye for an eye makes the world blind.

WTF????

He murdered hundreds of thousands of Inoccent people, we'r talking about stoning 1 guilty man what the fuc.k are ****ing about an eye for an eye crap??

Get real and open your eyes:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

l3rian · 04-01-2004 2:32am

sadam will get the death penalty thats for sure

im for capital punishment, but today it should be only for murder where there is zero doubt to guiltyness, for example ian huntly should have got death

woosaysdan · 06-01-2004 10:30am

he should be shot with his own sh!t

Zombrex · 06-01-2004 11:44am

Originally posted by kelle
Why not subject Saddam to this torture 10 times daily every day for the rest of his life.

What purpose would that serve?

Villain · 06-01-2004 12:40pm

Originally posted by Wicknight
What purpose would that serve?

It would let the Iraqi people feel a sense of Justice and let them punish the man that has murdered so many of their friends and family.

Zombrex · 06-01-2004 1:52pm

Originally posted by irish1
It would let the Iraqi people feel a sense of Justice and let them punish the man that has murdered so many of their friends and family.

Wouldn't imprisioning him do exactly the same thing ... or is it necessary to torture him to get reveng..sorry .. "justice"

gucci · 06-01-2004 2:00pm

unfortunately neither torture,death penalty or hefty terrible jail term will be bestowed upon saddam,he will be treated with kid gloves,ie will be in a comfortable jail for the rest of his life and probably never punished a la milosevic and pinochet

Villain · 06-01-2004 2:20pm

Originally posted by Wicknight
Wouldn't imprisioning him do exactly the same thing ... or is it necessary to torture him to get reveng..sorry .. "justice"

Well I see Jail as a containing mechanism rather than Punishment, I think stoning is a lot more fitting.

Paddy20 · 06-01-2004 3:24pm

After the Americans & Others have squeezed out every last piece of information that they believe they can from Saddam. By whatever means/torture they deem necessary.

He will be assassinated by a sole assailant who will never be caught. This will probably occur while he is being transferred from one place to another. The Americans & Others will express regret & surprise that Saddam met with such an assassination, when they wanted him to be tried in a Court of Law .

There will be all sorts of speculation & official enquiries into how this could possibly have happened while he was in protective custody. However, the fact is that neither the US or the UK can afford to allow Saddam a fair trial as he knows too much and no doubt would reveal information that those governments wish to remain secret.

End of story. Such is the harsh reality of life.

P.:ninja:

woosaysdan · 07-01-2004 2:14pm

for some strange reason im agreeing with you paddy /sends shivers down my spine\

Sleipnir · 07-01-2004 2:22pm

I would have to agree that it is the most likely outcome.
He knows everything about being supplied by the U.S. for his war with Iran for a start.

"He suffered a serious 9mm injury to the back of the head"

kelle · 07-01-2004 6:12pm

Do-gooders like Wicknight are the reason why this world is so f&cked up.

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