qw cheaters

Chaos

Seems theres some cheaters coming onto servers allready with there modifide source code
read about and get demo on me site.

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TwoShedsJackson

Meantime anyone who cares who's cheating in a four year old game go here: www.whogivesafu<k.com

H_K

hmm i tried loading that page, but theres a mistake in the link

TwoShedsJackson

Keep trying, it'll be up soon.

Koopa

yeah who cares about cheating in football like

Vincent

Cheating how like, givin themselves infinite ammo, invincibility etc. ?

Cr^sH

SHOCK SHOCK HORROR!, Ffs like every lamer is gonna get there hand on that now they'll be like speedy gonzallas running around the level..they should not have released that code!.

Chaos

exactly, theres some other ones where u can give your self pent and such things.
ppl can put there speed up enuf to give them an advantage but not easy to notice or give themselfs a faster reload time

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Slosh

Anybody caught using these altered qw clients will receive a permanent Red card from ALL servers. Just because ID released the source doesnt mean you can cheat.

Either do it by skillz or not at all....

Chief

WAN SLOSHERS!

Chiefy

3=O]

H_K

respect his authoritaaaaah

Vincent

Slosh can u tell people are using modified clients, or how will u know unless it's obvious??

Chaos

type f_modified vincent and if they are connected properly too there proxy it will say that the qwcl exe has been altered. if they dont use a proxy u cant be sure

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Steven

What I can't understand is why ppl could be bothered cheating. It's usually easily spotted (ie. movin at 80mph round the levs or takin more hits than they should) and when it's not, it's done mainly by ppl who dot around servers in different countries and you're never likely to see them again. Not much point in doin' it for respect then. Hmm, then again, it might be useful for takin out the odd LPB

Steven

Only kiddin, I frown upon such things. Now, where can i get the source code?

Asuka

Do you think this is a pointed hint by id to say 'Stop Playing This Game We're Sorry We Ever Wrote It Go Out And Buy Q3 You Muppets!'

Ok well maybe its not, but its defnitely time ppl moved on. Theres some really fu<king excellent games out there (for the benefit of ppl whove had their heads in the sand for the past 3 years) which ppl dont cheat at. I reckon;
Quake 3 Arena : Pure DM, bit of a laugh
Unreal Tournament :Serious gaming, Competition gaming
Tribes :FPS for strategy-heads and teamplayers
1 Of Loads Of RTS Games : Pure Strategy Heads

As(get over QW you obsessive muppets!)ka

[This message has been edited by Asuka (edited 02-01-2000).]

Cr^sH

Why play all those games when quakeworld has it all?

Asuka

I was afraid of replies like that...

But QuakeWorld quite obviously *doesnt* have it all!!
Dont give me that sh!t about 'its the only game that ever gave me a buzz' and all that. Thats bullsh!t.
It doesnt have it all. The graphics are sh!te, the sound grates, the weapons are boring and the gameplay is *old*! Dont you ever like get bored of it? Its an obsession.
Its 5 years old. How could it possibly have everything? Theres no varying elements in it at all. Theres no real strategy and its a terrible game for newbies these days. No one can go onto the servers any more for a laugh and just a bit of fun. Its no longer a game, its a competition. Its worse than professional football because its not even professional!
When players set their config to give them the worst possible graphics in favour of the best possible performance you know its gone too far.

Slightly controversial to post this on the Quake boards, but it needs to be said. Move on. Play the new games. Im happy to say the QuakeWorld days are finally over.

Asuka

Steven

That's because it doesn't. Don't get me wrong, it was the pinnacle of on-line gaming when it was released, but that was 4 years ago. It's a bit dominated by the Rocket launcher aswell. Not the only weapon by any means, but the best all purpose one. But that doesn't mean ppl have to move on. Some ppl prefer QW, so be it then, but i know I'd play q3a all the time if I could run the damn thing, or any game made since 1997 for that matter.
Hmm, this thread has switched topics since it began

Steven

It appears Asuka was writing his reply while I was writing mine, so no copying accusations plz. He did go a bit overboard though . How can you enjoy a game if you can't see where you're f**king going. I'd gladly sacrifice graphics in any game for top performance.
It appears that I've ended all my posts so far with the sunglasses gif, so why break a trend

Slosh

Asuka. That is your opinion. There are many others to the contrary. I play Q3 and like it. I play QW and like it.

Agreed its hard for newbies, but there are some newbies out there who've stuck with it and have improved fantastically - hmmmm I wonder why - oh oh oh....

MAYBE THEY LIKE IT ??!!??

Dont post condescending "move on" posts here, its all been said too many times and we're not interested.


Enough.


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Bunny

Quakeworld is brilliant, fantastic, much better than these new games.

H_K

yes asuka you're so right
what we need is big flashy guns and explosions for people who are too simple minded to play q1 cos it dont have it. i know the gameplay is old !!! like, you move the mouse, and you press fire to fire ?!? how dated is that ? we need some really cool new ways to move the man, like in q3 for example.
and the weapons ?! We need some childish insights to the future, things that dont exist, but intend for them to be a possibility, like super rail guns ! and flashy menus, with bright colours. like, in this day and age, if a game isnt colour co-ordinated, it dosent belong on the market for feminine gamers, like yourself who want designers to do the colours. like cmon, 4 years old ?? i can understand how kinds play ludo still, but come ONNNN this is the 21st century, i wont settle for anything other than over elaborate-tiring headache inducing glam drag queen graphics.

like i never play quake over a lan at my m8s for fun - its ALL competition these days, we put money down and everything, we never seem to laugh anymore ! now, quake3 is bringing back the rosy warmth that is our childhood.weve never been so happy because of this 'new teamplay'.like we couldnt apply our strategical knowledge to quake1, now with quake3 its ALL changed !!! its been radically improved, like its been all slowed down so weve more time to think, hell i can play it with my granny now, she enjoys a dm when shes waiting for her evening tea.
like - i know its gone way too far when youre lessening graphics for gameplay - with quake3, now i dont even have to lessen the graphics AT ALL on my p200 !! i can put it on 800x600, none of this d_mipcap stuff that made quake1 faster, but lo and behold q3 dosent need to be tweaked somehow !!! its not like playing a game ! its like watching a film ! with all this less involvement, i hope theres an optoin so you dont have to aim at all, maybe they will scrap first person shooters entirely and make every game so that its like modern fighting - so we make computers target our enemys, and we dont even have to make reflex reactions !! that would be cooooooo-oool.why hasnt anyone seen that ? like duuh?!

Slosh

lol Bunnors...

Overlord

I agree with H-K.
I used to love playing football when i was younger. It is a great game. Playing samba footie with a few lads on a sunday evenin was good craic but ive never enjoyed a win more than a hard fought game in the lashing rain. The glory of winning wasn't diminished by the bad weather or the wet clothes in fact it was heightened because we knew we won it the hard way with guts determination and forcing an exhausted body and mind to focus.
If you like things easy qw is NOT the game for you

MindPhuck

Woooah,

The mouse works in QuakeWorld. Holy sh1t.. all this time! OMG. It's given me a new lease of life, I must go back playing it for another 3 years. Yes.

Shinji

The glory of winning wasn't diminished by the bad weather or the wet clothes in fact it was heightened because we knew we won it the hard way with guts determination and forcing an exhausted body and mind to focus.

Errr yeah, that's right, cos there's so much physical exertion, strain and combatting the elements to be done when playing QuakeWorld (or any other computer game for that matter).

It amazes me how you ninja players don't end up in early graves from all that hard work, stress, guts and determination....

In seriousness though, ID releasing the source code of Quake has been coming a long time (in fact, it was leaked from Dave Taylor's Crack.Dot.Com site a long, long time ago, just before the first Unix ports of the game, but only to a few people who were quick enough to pick it up), since ID do this with all their games eventually.

It's not an attempt to kill the game. Nor do any of you have any right to complain about them doing it - they have done a much greater service to the hobbyist games programmer than they have done a disservice to the fanatical QW player.

(On a down note, I should point out that proxys won't help people who are clever enough to hack the binaries right. As far as I can gather - though I haven't had time to have more than a cursory glance at the source, and it's been years since I last looked at it - all the proxy does is some checksumming and basic checks, which is **** easy to deal with, I fear. There's a really nice and easy way to confuse any proxy into thinking that it's talking to an unmodified binary - I use "easy" in a loose way here! - which while I'm not about to describe it, I'm sure I'm not the only person in the world who has thought of it...)

It is quite possible that this source release, being much more widespread than the last leak, will decimate a lot of the QW community. However, instead of whinging, you lot should be cheering, because you now have a chance to do something that Q1 people have always wanted to do....

... Remake Quake1 with better graphics.

Why not? The Q1 engine is perfectly capable, as Half-Life showed up. All it needs is frame interpolation and 24-bit texture support, as well as a few tweaks to the lighting model, and it'll look as good if not better than Quake2. A couple of fiddly things done to the texturing support, to allow for higher resolutions and better GL Blend mode support, and you have Half-Life standard graphics... Without changing ANY of the core gameplay aspects!

Stop whinging about the open source initiative. It will inject new life into Quake - not necessarily to the "old" game, but to the community, and to the myriad of new Quake-based games which we will start to see as freeware on the net. ID deserve to be applauded... They've done the only thing that could rescue ANY of the Quake1/QuakeWorld scene, as opposed to delivering the deathblow some of you seem to believe this is.

Chaos

lol mp

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TwoShedsJackson

'The Q1 engine is perfectly capable, as Half-Life showed up.'

Halflife was a q2 engine game.

m1ke

er no it wasn't it was a quake engine game.........

madyoke

QW -did- have all that mattered, the right speed, the best levels, the best weapons, the best MODs (ahhhahaha not just CA), the best balance ...

Fu[k the gfx, all we ask for is playability, and QW -was- the most playable FPS multiplayer game.

And now this sweet move from iD has turned us all to q3, and it just wont be as much fun.

Koopa

about the proxies thing,
if you use the proxy to START the quakeworld client, the proxy can check the qwcl.exe file byte for byte, so you cant use hacked exe's without first hacking the proxy
which is harder than "hacking" quake3.exe or untournament.exe, because its packed .. you have to disassemble qizmo before you can hack it

Koopa

oh yes..

"because you now have a chance to do something that Q1 people have always wanted to do....... Remake Quake1 with better graphics."


dont you understand, we play quake1 because its competitive, not because of the graphics, we dont give a **** about graphics, an if you dont like competitiveness then you shouldnt be playing a multiplayer DEATHMATCH(!) anyway, you should be doing CO-OP play to kill those terrible looking monsters and ogres hiding behind doors and stuff

quozl

Someone was saying about this being a terrbiel game for newbies, well i think it just weeds out the ppl who really arent gonna love playing quakeworld anyway. Because of its speed/viciousness.
I'm only playing less than a year, and less than that online, and I've taken my axe rapeings from koopa And it was still fun, after a few weeks I could find someone worse than me. And after a few months most were. If the game hadnt been so much damn fun I dont know how I coulda taken all the beatings Its a game that wont appeal to most newbie gamers I'd guess, but that doesnt make it any less perfect for me
And I'm still glad id released the code. Because someday, someone who learnt from it will make a better game ID have done so much for games coders over the years
Quozl

Steven

Sorry Krash, but ure wrong, Half-Life was a Q2 engine game. No offence to Q1, but the graphics engine isn't exactly up to that standard. But, as it was so well put earlier, who gives a f**k, it is a fiercely competitive, extremely fast and unforgiving frag fest of a game, but I still prefer Q3, as do most gamers I'd imagine. Except the kind of ppl who prefer Dune 2 to Tiberian sun

Asuka

Firstly, Steven. Im not going overboard, im stating an opinion. You dont have to read it and you dont have to like it. I dont hate all qw players or anything. I just think the game is *old* (no disputing that)

Slosh, no need to get p!ssed off, i wasnt promoting q3 more than any other new game for a start, also note that you *dont have to read my posts*. Newbies who stick with QW, *in my opinion*, have useless puters that wont run new games, have no new games, or like being hopelessly trounced. Even if i liked the game i wouldnt stay with it long enough to develop the nessecary skills because it is inevitably going to die. *In my opinion* QWers dont want to move on because it means starting from the beginning again developing new skills.

I have no idea whether bunny is joking or not so im not going to reply My first response is *SARCASM* but then i thought, am i really being cynical enough?

HK is *BITTER*. He understands sarcasm well enough, but has no firm grip on the concept of 3d acceleration, high res graphics, lots of polygons and variation. The keys etc are not the problem with qw, its what happens when you press the keys, and what you get on the screen. Maybe this concept is new to you What i said about qw being competitive which koopa agreed with, i note, is true *in my opinion*. Also, to add to what i had to say to slosh, the other reason ppl dont want to move on is that their puters arent good enough. I meant it had gone too far when u exchange graphics for gameplay, when its playable on your puter. Turning down the res is ok, but turning off textures for an extra 10 fps is OTT, *in my opinion*. And when the graphics stop being graphics and start being representative icons, then the game has turned into a competition. Futuristic weaponry? Its a *game*. Its *fiction*. And the railgun was the best new weapon in a quake game ever.
Playing a game? Watching a film? Bullsh!t.

Overord starts by saying he agrees with HK, and then goes on to contradict him And btw, you cant turn the res down or the textures off when playing football. Theres no packet loss or bad connections. The speed of your computer doesnt matter a toss.

Castor - Half-Life was a Q1 engine, SIN was a Q2 engine.

Madyoke, thats grand, but understand, and Slosh would stress this if it wasnt for the fact that you agree with him, that is *your opinion* (i knew there was something missing from every post so far ). Dont try to force qw on others, and dont complain just because its heyday is over.

Koopa in advertently agrees with me...
Im not going to argue the technical thing, because i know fu<k all about it

Quozl - i agree with you about id releasing the code. But do you not think that maybe if you had started playing q2 or tribes, or started later with q3 or ut, it might have given you the same kick? Plus you wouldnt have been raped all the time.

Thatll do for now

Dont reply all at once.

Asuka

Paladin

Totaly right about the engines.
Here's a quote from pcgamer archive review

"And here’s where Half-Life sets itself apart from nearly any other first-person game. Though it uses the Quake engine, there are so many enhancements, optimizations, and special goodies added that the resulting game is light years beyond anything id (or anybody else) has produced"

Steven

Here's a quote from the PCGamer actual review in a boxout section in the mag, not the archives which dont include the boxouts. "Despite it's cutting edge appearance, Half-life is actually based on a massively modified version of the Quake/Quake2 engine". While Valve licensed both engines, they mainly used the Q2 engine and very VERY rarely looked at the Q1 engine. That seems to make sense to me. You dont look to gameplay when you're making a graphics engine choice. I suppose you could say that, technically, the Q1 engine was used, but it was really a modified Q2 engine. So nyaaa

El_Presidente

I like cheese.

Asuka

Well if you take that view, then Quake 2 was only a modified Quake 1 engine

Paladin

LOL

Slosh

And when the graphics stop being graphics and start being representative icons, then the game has turned into a competition.

Asuka, do you play to win ?? Or just to appreciate pretty colours ??

Vincent

I like cake

Steven

Very funny u smart alec bastid . The difference between the q1 and q2 graphics engine code is really immense, sorta. hmm, now that i think about it . But no, I remember a .plan file which stated that the Q2 engine had been started from scratch, it just turned out sorta similar, so nyaaa again

Steven

I like Pepsi, oops that's a brand name

DEATH

wasnt this post about qw cheating and not a poxy gimicky game called half life?

Asuka

Slosh - its slightly difficult for me to play to win, because im possibly the worst player *ever*

But the pretty colours *are* pretty

Chaos

it twas d
but this is funny

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Shinji

Koopa...

I know all the ways you could write a proxy cleverly to make sure a game binary isn't modified.

I also know that none of these measures will keep a clever, dedicated programmer from completely making a fool out of the proxy system quite easily.

Hypothetical question - how does the server know that the proxy it's talking to is a valid proxy...?

Mull that one over. And no, you don't need to back the binary of the proxy, it's MUCH easier than that...

tHE vAGGABOND

hehe shinji..

so you want to re-write QW with better grafics and take the **** parts out....er...like q3 you mean

Chaos

yah koopa, so there

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