muppetry

Excelsior

my previous message was edited. cool. really living up to the spirit of cyberspace.

anywhoo.
It merely said that i cant understand why the word muppet is used so much
after seeing the postings of a couple of quakers, i muse that perhaps it is a mechanism to promote the cult of the community. lets not let new people in. lets create our own language to discourage them. maybe this is bull****. taht isnt relevant.

anyway. down with the word muppet forever.
excelling excelsior

Canaboid

Muppet is a cool word for describing gimps who don't have a clue about stuff in general and computer stuff a little less generally.
What we need is a new derogatory term for people suffering from cyber-delusional persecution complexes.
Any suggestions ???????????

el_pres42

those who us muppet could be called s-h*i.t-cool.
any takers?


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Excelsior

gimps? how old are you. 12?
yes. i wear leather and dance on tables for businessmen. for money. to sexually stimulate them.
stuff generally?
like what? economics? the sausage maunfacturing process? flamenco music?
and does it apply to people who dont know about computers or just peopel who dont seem to share your opinions on quake?
just asking pastor

regi

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Vorosha

I, me personally, never guessed at the proper meaning to the word 'muppet'. Thinking it rather simplistic. A 'muppet' being a furry puppet from a popular t.v. series. I just always presumed there was a large puppet community within on-line gaming. Are you not all puppets? Is this simply a word used to 'abuse' others? An adjective? If so than I must apologise for my behaviour over the last few years BUT, only after you apologise to The Muppets.

Excelsior

very glib response people. im impressed, but it confuses me further why you'd be so enamoured with such a bland word like muppet.

DeVore

Why are you obsessing about the term muppet and taking it all so personally.

People use the term muppet mostly in a non-quake oriented fashion. ie: there are people who have been playing for years and are still crap and noone calls them "muppets".

I've seen lots of new players who have been accepted into the community without a problem. Its the ones who come along with the attitude that they dont have to respect the existing community and whats been built who generally get a short answer.

the word to note there is "respect" not subservicience, ass-licking or any indication of a lower status.

Take Amp for example. He arrives on the scene, makes a few decent/useful comments on the boards and when Dublan came round he pulled out the stops to help me even tho I didnt know the man from Adam. You dont see anyone calling him a muppet.

An example of a "Muppet" on the other hand is the idiot who thought that he could spam the entry form for Dublan with false names and crap info and think I wouldnt notice...

Hope this helps, and be less defensive we're a pretty welcoming bunch if you leave your attitude at the door.

DeV.

Excelsior

example of my "attitude" please?
i understand you will have problems with vandals, but i dont deserve the treatment
Some of the other newbies dont either
they've just noticed some things and pointed them out
you should be big enough to take that

Dr_Teeth

Oh go on then, I'll bite. Do regale us with these ground-breaking insights of yours.

Teeth.

TwoShedsJackson

hey, 'muppet' is better than 'llama', which is in general use in the UK. 'VVanker' also does the trick

adra

did anyone not see that film "long stock and 2 smoking barrels" or whatever its called....with Vinnie Jones......
he used the term muppet.....so why are you not writing all this on someplace that those scipt writers will see it, or even write to them!
it's not just us who uses that term.

hehh muppet...it's cute.

Take it

Muppet is a well known term in my area and is constantly used "Hes a bleedin muppet"etc. its not only used on the web.

DeVore

"Your" and "you" were meant in general terms Excelsior (ie: "one should leave...") not directed specifically at you. Perhaps you'd like some sauce for that chip??

I dont see any new players getting harrassed here, point them out and I'll be the first to jump to their defense.

However this is definitely a dark back alley of the Irish Internet... not as dark as some but you would still want to be able to handle some rough-and-tumble.

You could turn this entire thing on its head and say "where does Excelsior get off making wild claims that we abuse new players... wtf does he think he is coming here and throwing his objections around..."

But its an interesting point you raise, it cant be denied...

DeV.



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SheroN

Amp is a muppet tho' he stole my pendrell flux.!

Hobbes

The term muppet is not new in the Quake scene at all. It orginally meant someone who claimed to be UberPlayer/Haxor of Quake but was just a lot of noise. (People who act as if someone has thier hand up thier ass)

But it's migrated into a broad term to mean just about anything. Go see "Donnie Brasco" scene where he's explaining "Forget about it".

If it makes you feel any better we could add muppet to the censor list.

ste

fu[king muppet

ButcherOfNog

for a moment i was worried that Hobbes wasn't going to have any input on this thread.

Hobbes

WWMan is catching up on posts.

Barely even read the Quake board anymore, just full of people byatching about Pings/players or falling for the newbie trollers.

TwoShedsJackson

Ah but you see Dev, you did know Amp from Adam, cos his name is actually Adam!! oh the irony not to mention the goldy and the bronzey.

Thank God I wore my corset cos i fear my sides have split etc etc.

Kegser

I dunno about the rest of the lads from Dublin but I've heard the word used a lot around here, and I've used it aswell.

It isn't just a 'term' to annoy and confuse people like Exelsior... although maybe we should make up a few to do just that.

Kegs.

WhiteWashMan

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

DEV!

you say you dont know amp from adam....

actually i know amp very well and guess what his name is????

ADAM!

just thought id let you know

WhiteWashMan

bugger, just read castors post.. damn you conor.
damn you to hell

Shinji

Ooh, this thread took longer than usual to degenerate into silliness

BTW the term muppet (along with "llama" and the precursor to llama, the "lamer") has been used on the computer scene for longer than I can remember - going back ten years to when I first started messing about with BBSs, those were still the "insults du jour"... But never meant in a particularly derogatory fashion, they were more a light-hearted "throwing my eyes to heaven and wondering who this person who does not have a clue is" kind of throwaway comment...

Don't get hung up on it. I've been at this stuff for the best part of a decade, and I still get called "muppet".... This may be something to do with sucking at FPS games, I dunno...

Vorosha

This thread :

Point, counter-point.

OR more like

Pointless, counter-pointless.

Excelsior

The response is gratifying. Still my arguement was as frivolous as, I dont like the word muppet, and would like to know why it has such popularity here. Now I understand. Kegser's response however, hits the nail right on my muppet head.
My real aggravation is that yoiu guys have this whole defensive attitude which makes it really difficult for newbies to get into this whole Quake thing. de Vore, thanks for your responses, they were excellent, and maybe it's a case of paranoia or reactionism, but just give it some thought. Quake can only be bettered by including as many people who really want to play as we can.

Canaboid

Exelsior,

I have only been hanging around these boards for a couple of months and therefore am a newbie (now theres an annoying term). I would say very few here know who I am. That said I have never encountered any closedness on the part of the community(?) nor have I encountered any sourness, bad nature or defensiveness.
I would say that any time someone joins a new group (work, friends, net, whatever) they should sit back, look and listen to get a feel for the group and how its members interact before they wade in with criticisms, as replies can be misconstrued.

Nice helpful bunch of people here generally.

Excelsior

I've bennlistening for months

Kali

theres a can.

amp

Ok I've been away for a bit and I see my name(s) have popped up a couple of times and I just like to clear up a few things.

1. I am in fact a muppet, I was the green one with the stick on nose in epsiode 42 of the Muppet Show.

2. Sheron, the Pendrell Flux is strong within me.

3. My real name is not in fact Adam but is actually: Faqwar RoddinghardSmyth III

4. I had the pleasure of joining this board thanks to my good buddy Wwman, otherwise I would never have passed the initiation ritual with the goats and the donkeys and the monkeys and the biting.

Thank you for interest, please call again.

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Shinji

Aww god, did Eamo make you go through the initiation ritual with the goats and the donkeys and the monkeys and the biting? You do know that it's not actually necessary and he only does it for perverse pleasure?

He made me do the one with the hockey stick and the short skirt. Bizarrely, HE insisted on wearing the short skirt, while I held the potplants and shaved the orangutang.

Ja,
Rob

mewso

This sort of reaction to the Irish Quake Community is quite common because it can appear that way (distant, closed, cliqishetc.). I conceed that much. Very often new players tend to go on the offensive because they're not too sure what they're dealing with. I won't specify but it's an all too common behaviour of people who feel unsure of their abilities to communicate and get along with those people they now mix with.
Taking a more relaxed attitude is the way to go if you ask me. Just having conversations, playing quake or using the WWWBoard in a constructive manner lead inevitably to a good relationship with those around you. After a while you won't have noticed the change-over from "not too sure of my feet here" to "hey I know loads of these guys".
O.k. so Ex was aking why use the word "Muppet". Well I don't know. I think it's a stupid word too. Why use that terrible "Lo" all the time, like we're elves meeting a forest - "Lo , well met". At the end of the day they are just words. And I know form experience that communicating in words can lead to some misunderstandings thats for sure. Just assume the best when you read something dodgy and assume the worst when they call you a "******* ** *** ** ** ** * ** *^^%*£".

M

SHADOW

Well......I just spent my entire lunch break reading a sh*t load of posts debating the term....Muppet.......hmmm

Muppet, in my opinion, is a fairly sh*t cool term, considering its supposed to be derogatory.

In fact while I don't feel that I am a Muppet, I am very definitely a newby.....a term which I must say SUCKS....in my opinion!

As a result I would much rather be called a Muppet than a newby.......

Could the def. be changed...I wonder.....?!?

Your loyal Newby SHADOW.......tuh!

P.S.

hahaha...very funny post Amp....u obviously read during lunch too...keep up the good work!!

amp

Thanks Shadow, and btw it's spelt newbie

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Canaboid

Yeah, ya muppet.

He he.

WhiteWashMan

anyway, i thought the term llama came from some commador 64 game that bouncing llamas in it coz the programmer went to chilie or something and theought llamas look indded the most silliest of animals, and so it came to be that silly ppl were llamas?

as for muppet, i use the term a lot. i like the term and i will continue to use the word until another word comes along with that just right meaning that sounds better.
its derogatory, yet at the same time amusiong and lighthearted
kind of like a tuc cracker with lashing of philadelphia cheese on it.. yum

anyway, just coz you dont like the word... why give out about it.
dont be a conformest... make up yer own word and see if others take to it.

maybe you could be a fashion guru and put new and more stimulating words in our mouths

i bit like shinji but without the words bit, and a bit more c*ck

nuff said
but dont quote me on it, i may not be available for discussions

Bunny

Muppet is Ringsend/Irishtown 'slang'

Jak

True Bunny.

That's where i first heard it bein used.

CA MUPPETS

My *****it is lads. All the terms we use are borrowed from those fools across the Atlantic. Just face it. We're an unimaginative bunch. Ah **** this I'm off to strangle Kojak.

M

Mr.StRiPe

who gives a fu(k??

harVee

whoever got my password to this board (and then changed it) is a fu(king muppet.
i want it back you ba5tard.

Excelsior

I'm just thinking about other words to replace the much maligned, and simultaneously much admired muppet. I'm afraid you got me, I've got none that you'd love... yet. But stay tuned.
As for whitewashman and conformists, I think you might have the wrong man.

WhiteWashMan

now you see, youve just proved youre a muppet
you read my post and actually tried to understand it.

everyone knows its a waste of time coz there is no thought put into them at all. kinda like a subconsiouce streaming effort.

so youre not a conformist?
well, i juess that makes you one of the very ppl i know who isnt one.
its not that trendy to be different you know
makes you look like a t!t and an attention seeker.
if it were up to me....

Excelsior

thats pathetic whitewashman
talking about conforming, not conforming is the ultimate in wannabe-an-intellectual nonsense. bi ciuin get a life and play some more quake.

Hobbes

WWMan keep feeding the Troll and see if you can get it to beg.

Excelsior

is it time to end this posting?
44 replies to a simple request for some definition and history.
we need some new topics
lets direct our hate towards paddypaddy

amp

WHY CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG!!!!!!!

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LegacyUser

Muppet ! Its sound isnt even offensive so who gives a toss ?

_CreeD_

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Where all are lovely and Twee,
Just pick a class,
And have a blast.
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Ahem...Oh dear....

Back to my own lair....:-)

Canaboid

Creed, as its 7am I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt and assuming you're still outta it from the night b4.

P.s. there is only one real class

3. Soldier

_CreeD_

Worse....I was/am in work. We do 6-6, 28 days on 28 off. Been here 18 so me wee Noggin's feeling all floaty-lite.

NO TFC FOR 2.5 WEEKS its been hell....