Battlefield 1916

Falgorn

This came up 'off topic' in another thread but sounded interesting! A Battlefield map based on the rising in Dublin 1916? Conquest map with GPO as one Base... etc. Think it would make a good map if anyone one on boards is a dab hand at modding in battlefield 1942?

bus77

The idea of turnin the 1916 lads into deathmatch cannon fodder dos'nt sit right with me. Have to admit tho,Id like to see the Dublin city of that time in 3d. Like Mafia did with 1930s new york.

Jim

there was a few dod maps like that floating around, but a bf one would be much better. cant see the irish having many vechiles though.;

Falgorn

Maybe no vehicles, but lots of fortified positions (only fortified facing the aggressors) and also have Dublin Castle aswell as GPO, there close enough to go on one map anyway!!

Lucutus

I've always wanted to run through a well textured, accurately scaled 3D map of Dublin city center, (College Green into Westmoreland street across the bridge onto O'Connell (Sackville? ) street, with some adjoining parrelel streets/lanes on O'Connell), however, everytime there's a suggestion like this it seems to be done really badly or just forgotton about. Shame really.

...maybe BF1942 will be the one...

Luc

Clinical Waste

Yeah, wouldn't be many good vehicles but,
You could have bonuses for turning against and killing your own leaders................

Jim

well theres never really been a suitable engine to make a proper model of dublin [or any other] city, for example the hl engine just dies if the word outdoors is even mentioned.

but bf would be perfect.


/me lays back and waits for someone else to do the work

jonski

Although ye're suggestions seem great , they have given me a better idea

what about ...........................limerick 2003.......
your could have loads of vehicles , dyna's , jeeps, squadcars,2 helicopters . and loads of weapons .
Might need more than 1 map though , maybe a courthouse one , a night-time estate one and a sourrounding countryside one .

just an idea .:D
john.

Clinical Waste

and a great idea at that.

much more potential

Falgorn

imagine the fun you would have replacing all the sound files, to 'howrye' 'gerin me motor' 'i'll baaher ew' and instead of ammo crates you could have Dutch Gold crates...

Oooh, and instead of getting killed you got arrested.. course you would have to reduce the respawn times for that to seem realistic....

SickBoy

Wouldn't d'Islandfield be a better name than Limerickfield?

Irish_Kamikaze

Stab city wud make a great bf map all you need to do is change the voices of modiles to muccer lingo and the put a few thugs running around drunk stabbing 14,15 and 16 year olds.

i can see it now a big pile of crap muddled up to make a city and they cud hav new weapons like the pitch fork and a pick axe!!

And as for the cars they cud all be ladas and morris minors!!

hahahha!!:D

Mercury_Tilt

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KdjaCL

The 1916 idea has been around every game thats moddable for years, noone has actually put one together fully.
Bf would be good and very easy to do (easier than q3 anyway).
UNreal wouldnt be a bad engine to do it either.

Noobs try www.bf1942.com and start modding away you could be the next Frank Delise

kdjac

Irish_Kamikaze

It is nice that most of you wud like to make a map for bf but even if you all decide on make a 1916. Who is the expert that will eventualy make this map? I think its a great idea but no one in their right mind will spend more than a month building this map. its going to require hours and hours, weeks and weeks and maybe even months.

Winters is the only person i think that has the knowledge to do it but i dont think he wud!

Maybe if we all write a letter to the bf1942 crew give them our idea and see what they have to say on the matter!!!

Lets hope they say YYYYYYYEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSS:D


:rolleyes:

Winters

Originally posted by Irish_Kamikaze
Winters is the only person i think that has the knowledge to do it but i dont think he wud!

Yes. I wouldn't.

Lets hope they say YYYYYYYEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSS:D

They would say no. And laugh.






loudly.
Then get back to work on BF:Vietnam

suppafly

yeah that would be pretty cool alright just for the novelty and pure nostalgicness either idea sounds good. wish i knew how to make maps

Irish_Kamikaze

Go on winters give it a shot try and make a map that has something to do with the 1916 uprising? Or if not start up a tread on how to make a map and go about make'n a replica of the four courts!!:p I think some one will eventualy give it a shot. but cus we wud hav to make it the Irish vs the British i dont know how some one cud make the new models. So just put it the Japs Vs British as there are more Japs here than Irish anyway.

Plz:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

thx for replying on my tread in the CS section.;)

Your the only one that didn't say some thing stupid!!!ww)

ArphaRima

Whats the point?

The British won overwhelmingly.
It could never be accurate. It would suit Call of Duty more to have this mod anyway i think.

Better would be Battlefield 1916 The Battle for the Somme.

Trench warfare would be kinda new. And many more Irish fought and died there if thats the incentive for this mod.

suppafly

Originally posted by fluffer
Trench warfare would be kinda new. And many more Irish fought and died there if thats the incentive for this mod.

nah i think it was more for just the novelty of runing around dublin etc

Originally posted by irish_kamikaze
thx for replying on my tread in the CS section

Your the only one that didn't say some thing stupid!!!

no offence now, but yur post was kinda dumb?U put up a post, in the cs board, asking them if they though bf1942 was better?!?! Maybe u should have put it in the games board for a neutral place cuz they r obviously going to say cs is! If u were trying to win so CS'ers over with how good BF1942 is it wasn't a good way to do it by calling them losers and and saying the cs is crap and boring?? why like?!?:rolleyes:

Winters

Originally posted by fluffer
Better would be Battlefield 1916 The Battle for the Somme.

Trench warfare would be kinda new. And many more Irish fought and died there if thats the incentive for this mod.

Well, i wasent going to say anything but I think I must now....


Yes, deep inside Germany there is a mod baised upon the first world way being developed. Its looking good so far, but no news on a release date ....... though my German aint the best . Ill let you know when it is released. Below is a couple of pictures of what they are working on and done so far...





Im not too sure if BF1942 would be a good engine for a Dublin/Rising mod. I have yet to play Call Of Duty ... but once i find myself in town i will wonder off and buy it, for sure. Id say it might be better suited to a mod of this sort. Still though, we can all dream

Irish_Kamikaze

Yo Winters i couldn't help noticing the fact that you mentioned call of duty. Good isn't it i thought its much better than MOH. Do you know if it uses the quake engine?
It wud be good if bf1942 had some of the intense fighting thats in that!

Which was your favorite level?
Mine was stalingratt.

Winters

Bought Call Of Duty during the week and finished it in a couple of hours. 20 of the origional 25 MOHAA Developers [2015] made CoD so thats why its very MOH. It runs on the Return to astle Wolfenstine engine [which itself is a revamp of the Q3 engine]. Though they actually changed 80% of the RTCW engine and implemented hardware transform texture and lighting or whatever its called.

Got to say loved Pegasus Bridge level and also St. Mre dou mont. [cant spell it correctly too late at night, ill put up correct spelling in the morning]. Russian levels were great craic, total spray with that ppsh gun. Stalingrad level is very well done and looks very like the sctual thing. Both the US Pir parts were taken from Band Of Brothers and Saving Private Ryan and the Soviet part from Enemy At the Gates really, but they do stay very historically accurate [for a game] which is great.

regeneration

A mod based on the Irish revolution or the 1916 Rising would be abad idea for no other reason than it would be very hard to make it without looking like something blatently anti-british or republican, or even glorifying the whole era.
It's too dodgy to try and do ...

Rev Hellfire

Are you ashamed of your past ? I see nothing to be ashamed of in 1916 rising. (bloody union jack waving dubs )

I actually think it would be a good idea, even if not tied directly to the rising, but close combat from that era.

Falgorn

There are games out at the moment glorifying America's invasion of Iraq. It only happened in the last year, so i think we will get away with 1916. And it wouldn't be any more of a kick in the teeth than films like Braveheart!

regeneration

Originally posted by Rev Hellfire
Are you ashamed of your past ? I see nothing to be ashamed of in 1916 rising. (bloody union jack waving dubs )

Ashamed? Hardly; but take out a map or the world, look at our country, look at the border running along the north, and then tell me there's no problem with making a game out of our blood washed past. It's a political hot potato as it is.
In fact on a related note:
http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=2003-11-26&res=h
made in response to this article:
http://www.gamespot.com/gamecube/action/medalofhonorrisingsun/news_6084198.html

On a practical note, I've been doing some researching on how to make a mod like this. BF1942 would be useless for this mod, seeing that 1916 & the war of independence was mostly guerilla warfare => CoD / UT2003 engines would suit nicely. Most of the Irish weapons from that period up until 1918 were German,

What would be a better idea would be taking history and skewing it a little; where maybe Ireland sided with Germany/Austria-Hungary in ww1 and turned Ireland into another front in ww1. you can keep the same essential elements, but stay clear of the obvious political backlash.

Originally posted by Falgorn
There are games out at the moment glorifying America's invasion of Iraq. It only happened in the last year, so i think we will get away with 1916. And it wouldn't be any more of a kick in the teeth than films like Braveheart!

They're not glorifying that war, it's the first one their based on - one where France and Germany took part in it for a start, and at least was an International response to illegal invasion.

But hey, intend at least making some start on this mod with perhaps some played models/skins, will see how it goes...

Irish_Kamikaze

Clap, Clap!

I have to say i agree with most of what you said, but some of these people can only think that it would be fun to imagine your country, your home, your CAPITAL in a game you love and play when ever you can.

But the fact of the matter is NO one is going to take this berdon on. No one is going to build this map even if there was a remote chance that the engine could take it. Its too much time and effort, after all by the time you have it complete there will probably be a new game that we will all have interst in. :ninja:

If there was any chance we could make a crapy looking one and have it near enough looking like Dublin i would still download it!!

But i have too say you were right in everything else.;) :ninja: :ninja: :ninja: :ninja: :ninja:

Stormfox1020

Just brushing up on my history here, but during the Easter Rebellion didnt the British send a Gun Boat up the liffey, that completly Tied down the IRA? So Gunboats could be in the 1916 Level if it was made. Come to think of it wouldnt BF1942 be cool if it had a desturction mod, so when a tank shoots at a wall or a plane drops a bomb on one it doesnt just let a few rocks fly but blows open the whole wall. That could lead to intersting Plans.

ArphaRima

Again. I amn't sure. But I think that happened during the civil war, a few years later. It was a British gunboat alright. But fighting with the Free State. (because of British pressure to quell the uprising)

phoenix2181

Just a quick flash back to my families history...as far as i can remember it was the gunboat Helga that fired on the GPO & the 4 courts from the Liffey during 1916, it was also the IRB & NOT the IRA (IRA didn't exist at the time) that started the rising in 1916. (my great grandfather was commander of C company who took over the area around the Tap pub were 2 of his brothers were shot)

Victor

Originally posted by fluffer
Again. I amn't sure. But I think that happened during the civil war, a few years later. It was a British gunboat alright. But fighting with the Free State. (because of British pressure to quell the uprising)

It was the same "gunboat". It actually served well into the 1930s.

As best i know the rebels had Kar 98s and the British would have had Enfileds (not the later Lee Enfields)

Irish_Kamikaze

Originally posted by Stormfox1020
Come to think of it wouldnt BF1942 be cool if it had a desturction mod, so when a tank shoots at a wall or a plane drops a bomb on one it doesnt just let a few rocks fly but blows open the whole wall. That could lead to intersting Plans.

I agree that would be sweet could you imagine the carnage i would just stay in a gun ship and blow the whole level apart.:o :ninja:

Victor

Originally posted by Irish_Kamikaze
I agree that would be sweet could you imagine the carnage i would just stay in a gun ship and blow the whole level apart.:o :ninja:

Actually the way DoD models satchel charges and anti-tank weapons could be used (you could thrash the buildings, but leave much standing).

Irish_Kamikaze

Yes but red faction way would be much better there would be no camping and if you were in a spot were there is only one way in you could start making a hole into him from the roof walls or even the ground you probly cud even make a new room to camp in!!!!:D

Winters

Originally posted by Stormfox1020
Come to think of it wouldnt BF1942 be cool if it had a desturction mod, so when a tank shoots at a wall or a plane drops a bomb on one it doesnt just let a few rocks fly but blows open the whole wall. That could lead to intersting Plans.

Dice thought about this idea a lot when they started work on Battlefield: Vietnam, the reason for not implementing it was the fact that nobody whould know where they are in a map when nearly every piece of brick and morter that was there ad been destroyed by morters etc.

I would like to see it implemented the way the DoD team did it with specific points being able t obe blown to peices, but alas its not going to happen. Also, im not too sure at how the RefractorII/Battlefield 1942 enging would stand on the whole idea.

Also, on the history note. The gunboat used in 1916 was the Helga and that and the British field artilary that was brought in that totally destoryed Sackville Street [now O'Connell street]. The rebels inside the GPO [IRB and Irish Volunteers (IRA was said was not even around at that stage)] had built a tunnel [had they not?] which many of them escaped out of. Correct me if im wrong on the tunnel part, cant remember where I heard that. The Irish rebels used mostly Pistols, K98's [bought from the Germans during the war (remember Roger Casement getting cought with the U-Boat ad the Howth gun running?)] and anything that could fire a bullet really.

regeneration

Originally posted by Irish_Kamikaze
Yes but red faction way would be much better there would be no camping and if you were in a spot were there is only one way in you could start making a hole into him from the roof walls or even the ground you probly cud even make a new room to camp in!

Red Faction multiplayer sucked something serious. for a start the much vaunted "destructable terrain" meant about half a dozen walls that could be blown up, and nothing more -I mean think about the lag created by a level that was 100% destructable. The rest of the game was the same - it was no more impressive than the scripted walls of DayOfDefeat that can be blown up.

Originally posted by Winters
I would like to see it implemented the way the DoD team did it with specific points being able t obe blown to peices, but alas its not going to happen. Also, im not too sure at how the RefractorII/Battlefield 1942 enging would stand on the whole idea.

It's been done, sorta. In BF: Secret Weapons, in the eagle's nest map, you have to blow open a set of double doors to proceed towards the next objective. It's easy enough to make a map where every tree and building can be blown up, but again - lag lag lag. Even "secret weapons" and it's single destructable objectives lag servers something serious. Apparently the mod "Action Battlefield" has a village of buildings that can be blown up without excess lag, but I've not seen it in action.

Basically lads, wait for either BF:Vietnam and see if they've fixed teh dreadful net/code and collision detection, or look out for other games like Soldner/FarCry (they both look poo), or perhaps the "you know what*" engine.

[*] Half Life2

magpie

This is kind of interesting, great minds obviously think alike... I posted a suggestion on the BF1916 forum at their site for a Dublin 1916 map a while back. I reckon it'd be good.. you could have ICA, Volunteers, RIC and British Army. Vehicles you've got bicycles, cars, motorbikes, armoured cars and the gunboat helga. You've got machine guns, sniper rifles, grenades, artillery... it'd make a classic BF1916 map. Imagine trying to get the flag for the GPO, or LIberty Hall!

Victor

Originally posted by magpie
you could have ICA, Volunteers, RIC and British Army.

Will the irregualrs have to have tweed caps instead of helmets?

Originally posted by magpie
bicycles,

LOL, what about the trams and horse carriages.

Originally posted by magpie
or LIberty Hall!

Wasn't around in 1916!

luckat

quote: (bloody union jack waving dubs )

Where was youse country people in 1916? May I remind you that only Dublin and Galway (under Liam Mellows, as far as I remember) rose.

Liberty Hall wasn't around in 1916? Did they time-travel to put it into the photo of the Citizen Army I have at home then?

Victor

Originally posted by luckat
Liberty Hall wasn't around in 1916? Did they time-travel to put it into the photo of the Citizen Army I have at home then?

Wow, I must have been wrong when I saw photos of them building it in the 1960s or so at the same time as O'Connell Bridge House (Q bar).

Scan the photo for us.

I saw a photo this morning of c 1900 and it defintely wasn't there then.

regeneration

Well Liberty Hall is the concrete high rise building, so clearly we're mixing up buildings here.

Out of curiousity, does anyone here mod/map that they would seriously consider a mod like this?

magpie

Well Liberty Hall is the concrete high rise building, so clearly we're mixing up buildings here.

OK, so Victor and Regeneration aren't going to be historical advisors for this mod...

The Liberty Hall that exists today was built in the 1960s, but the original Liberty Hall that was on the same site was the base of the ITGWU and The Citizen Army up to 1916. It was blown to bits by the gun boat Helga during the rising. It was also the building that the proclamation of independence was printed in, for you history buffs out there... This is what it used to look like:

Will the irregualrs have to have tweed caps instead of helmets?

lol, why not? But the term "irregulars" refers to the Civil War, not 1916.

If any modders out there are seriously interested in this I've got plenty of background info, books, photos etc

regeneration

Hmmm, well when people talk of Liberty Hall, I guess most just think of the ugly concrete thing sticking up on our skyline, and not the ... ugly squat one that used to be there

As for reference; got any photos of the uniforms used by the Irish ? Ah sure maybe i'll just watch Michael Collins again, that wonderfully historically accurate movie

magpie

There are some (bad) drawings of the uniforms here

The Volunteers uniform is a light green, the ICA one is a very dark green (not black as it looks here). While all the ICA wore uniforms, the vast majority of the volunteers didn't have any uniform, so would be in the classic trench coat, flat cap and bandolier...

It would be class to have bicycles in the mod. Just use the motorbikes from BF, but much, much slower. You could even have a "ring ring" bell noise!

regeneration

Errrgh - deformed soldiers there Nice references though, I've never really modelled actual people, so they'd be a good start.

Yeah bicycles are possible I think in BF; check out the Spanish civil war mod for bike fun: http://bf1936.bf1942files.com

magpie

Cool, this is just the thing... bike

they've also done the Spanish equivalent of Liberty Hall
here

There'd be quite a lot of building modelling for this mod for O'Connell St, though you could maybe use the cafe building from swoww2 and the hotel building, and maybe some other stuff

Winters

Well boys, if you are feeling up to making a mod try these links.

- Official BF1942 Mod Development Tools
- BF1942 Modders wiki
- planetbattlefield.com Tweaking files
- planetbattlefield.com Tweaking Tutorials
- Battlecraft 1942 [official map maker]

Should be all you need there to get your mod running. Though i can only see a small audience for it it would be, as mentioned, quite fun.

regeneration

@magpie
I think that's the anarchists hall; and they were teh fascists boo!:)
Thanks for that winters, but I knew of those already, seeing that I am on a mod-team for Bf1942 already *cough*forgottenhope*cough* hehehe
They are a good place to start, and the wiki is a godsend for understanding coding/scripting in the game.
busy modelling vehicles/weapons for the mod, and was thinking of doing these Irish items when I was done with most of the bits and pieces for the mod.

magpie

I think that's the anarchists hall; and they were teh fascists boo!

Nope, the anarchists were the goodies, one of the first groups to contribute to founding the Republic, the fascists arrived later with Franco when he invaded from the Canary Islands...

With regard to the 1916 mod, it's a cool idea, and I'm happy to give suggestions, background info etc. Can't code for **** though.

regeneration

Nope, the anarchists were the goodies, one of the first groups to contribute to founding the Republic, the fascists arrived later with Franco when he invaded from the Canary Islands...

ah yes, you're right - the fascists were called the nationalists weren't they ? I do know that Spain was were Blitzkrieg was used for the first time by the Germans (though not actually invented by them)

With regard to the 1916 mod, it's a cool idea, and I'm happy to give suggestions, background info etc. Can't code for **** though.

Well I think it would work as a nice map-mod, cos I can't see enough material to turn it into a full mod, in which case, I'd use another engine that has better infantry combat. If anyone's interested, here's a list of historical Irish (and Northern Irish) tanks:
http://mailer.fsu.edu/~akirk/tanks/ireland/ireland.html

*l*
Very bad taste I know, but one map could be like "protect the VIP" (from CS, back when it was good ) - one side has to assassinate Michael Collins at Beal naBlath, the other has to protect him