Punk Section?

quank

Do you think there should be a Punk Section?
there is a hip-hop and rap and classical, why not punk...
anywho
post and cast your vote peeps:D

Sauron

Me didn't vote...I think if there would be a punk section..It should be a sub section of the rock/metal..and that forum should be changed to rock/metal/punk. Punk is one of the many subsiduaries of rock...yIt would get to complicated cause there could equally be a Goth forum, an indie rock forum, etc.
Me isn't wholly opposed to this tho.......just mentioning it:ninja:

honru

I'm all for more forums in the music selection, but I doubt a punk forum would take off. I feel adding it into "Rock/Metal" would be the best idea, as Sauron suggested.

If this goes through though, an alternative/indie rock forum will be my request.

niallith

emm yeh sure punk section deserves a place i guess

nesthead

yeah good idea, will keep that punk crap out of this forum

Fuhrio

I dont think there should be a punk section of its own, it could go in this section once its good punk, any bad charlotte should not be allowed under any circumstances!

ferdi

Originally posted by Sauron
Punk is one of the many subsiduaries of rock...

agreed, however - jazz is the mother of all non classical modern music in the world today and it dosnt have a forum of its own so it looks as if there is very little point in trying to apply logic to the situation

Karl Hungus

Judging by the amount of discussions on punk were actually have here, no... I'd say there's not really enough intrest for it. I mean, there is the odd thread here, and if there isn't enough people to make it interesting, why on earth would it deserve its own forum?

Tell you what... Why dont you actually START a few punk threads, see the interest, maybe even build some interest, and THEN start asking about a new board. It makes sesne, you realise?

niallith

well its not like its a life changing situation so why not ?if u dont wana post there then dont

Karl Hungus

It's not a fact of not posting if you dont like it, it's the fact that boards is getting bogged down with so many new boards, many of which aren't all that usefull at all. Personally, I think the water should be tested before splashing in, if you get my meaning.

Repli

Tell you what... Why dont you actually START a few punk threads, see the interest, maybe even build some interest, and THEN start asking about a new board.

Ok

cournioni

Punk is a subgenre of rock/metal, I don't think it should have a forum of its own, if that was the case we should have a forum for thrash, death and melodic death metal, tbh.

Vlad Drac

Change the name of this forum to rock/metal/punk ...
Problem sorted :cool:

Liquorice

I don't think we need a punk forum...punk fits under 'rock'. I think people may be slightly less willing to post begin punk-based, trad-rock-based, grunge-based etc. threads than metal oriented threads because the forum is called Rock/Metal, and therefore feel the forum is reserved mainly for metal music. BUT, if the forum name is changed to Rock/Punk/Metal, there may be requests to add all the other sub-genres of rock to the title, and the forum will end up with an unrealistically long title. Leave the name as it is, Metal appears to be the most popular sub-genre of rock amongst Boards posters, and therefore deserves a special place in the title *grins broadly and sweetly*

Ro: maaan!

Originally posted by Scarlett
I think people may be slightly less willing to post begin punk-based, trad-rock-based, grunge-based etc. threads than metal oriented threads because the forum is called Rock/Metal, and therefore feel the forum is reserved mainly for metal music.

This is exactly what I thought when I first saw the Rock/Metal board. Never posted here or even looked at it much because it seemed to be filled with posts about Metal. Although if there was a board called Punk or even Rock/Punk, it's safe to say there'd be more threads about punk than any other genre. It's just the impression one first gets of what a certain board is about. Chances are punk isn't going to get it's own board, but I think that metal should be taken out of the name of this one. Leave it with just the title Rock, and that should even out the genres discussed here...

lena

I'd have to agree with Ro there.

Doctor J

Yup, get that three chord garbage away from Metal, where folk learned to play their instrument

Karl Hungus

Lads... In all fairness, there's no use complaining that Metal is taking up most of this forum, when you yourselves aren't posting about other 'Rock' genres.

This board is here for all genres and subgenres of rock and metal, and there's no bias towards any specific genre either, just because it seems Metal is getting the most posting does not mean it's completely reserved for metal posts. The fact that you admit your own inhibitions about posting says something about this situation.

The floor is open to anyone, so untill you do get a punk board, why dont you post about the latest Less Than Jake, or AFI?

ferdi

this realy ****s me off.

i agree - make it either rock/metal/punk or rock. or possibly alt.

i really hate musical snobery (see doc js comment about "3 chord gabage"). this level of childish "mines bigger than yours" is just plain sad.

i enjoy punk because of its sheer simple energy. i like that people dont have to be able to play their instruments brilliantly to pick em up and play an energetic punk song that makes them feel good. btm, many punk musicians are masters of their craft and i've heard a good bit of metal in which musical compitance is less than zero.

sure its nice to hear a 14 minute guitar solo and some nice double pedaled bass drums, but i find that a punk band can get just as much power feeling and pure aggression into a 34 second track.

and the reason there is lots of post about metal is that quite a few fans of metal are over-weight nerds who sit infront of their computers all day - i know i'll get backlash for that but it had to be said.

i vote for a punk forum and if not a secion of a forum or something.

ferdi

i'm not trying to poo poo metal or slag its fans.

as less than jake says - all my friends are metalheads.

quank

Originally posted by AngelWhore
Lads... In all fairness, there's no use complaining that Metal is taking up most of this forum, when you yourselves aren't posting about other 'Rock' genres.

This board is here for all genres and subgenres of rock and metal, and there's no bias towards any specific genre either, just because it seems Metal is getting the most posting does not mean it's completely reserved for metal posts. The fact that you admit your own inhibitions about posting says something about this situation.

The floor is open to anyone, so untill you do get a punk board, why dont you post about the latest Less Than Jake, or AFI?

but because it is called Rock/Metal, some punk fans might not want to enter for any reason but if it was nenamed or there was a punk forum, people would know its there then and so post....

Karl Hungus

Originally posted by quank
but because it is called Rock/Metal, some punk fans might not want to enter for any reason but if it was nenamed or there was a punk forum, people would know its there then and so post....

That arguement is about as redundant as, lets say, a fan of action films not posting on the film board becuase it was called the 'Film' board. But if the action fan had an action board, then maybe he'd post!?

Ridiculous.

quank

Action HAS to be a film
its not necessarily the same with punk to rock

Doctor J

Why is everyone so caught up on labelling music? Music is music, the only categorisation to be made is "Good" or "Bad".

Rock, Metal, Alternative, Glam... who gives a shyte what the Sony corporation says it is? If you like a band, put up a post. Don't hold back because it doesn't say "Post 70's Neo-Classical New Wave Alternative Punk in C#".

Karl Hungus

Originally posted by Doctor J
Rock, Metal, Alternative, Glam... who gives a shyte what the Sony corporation says it is? If you like a band, put up a post. Don't hold back because it doesn't say "Post 70's Neo-Classical New Wave Alternative Punk in C#".

Nail.
Hammer.
Head.

ferdi

head.
up.
ass.

honru

To be honest, Rock / Metal is a Metal board by the majority. With the inclusion of Metal in the title, it has formed into Metal discussion than anything else (Ro: maaan! really hit the nail on the head there). It has taken off as a Metal board, and its hard to change that through the public eye.

When there are sixteen posts relating to metal (out of twenty) on the first page, its just not appealing enough to make a thread about, say, the new Lightning Bolt album. There should be a fair place to post. It would be nice to have an even rock resource, or better yet, designated forums for the four main rock styles.

Take Metal out of the title. Theres no reason why metal should be getting a place beside rock; it stems from the same thing. Just like punk, alternative, experimental, indie etc.

No-ones asking for a "Post 70's Neo-Classical New Wave Alternative Punk in C#" forum or some crap that doesn't exist. Just a fair place to post.

Doctor J

So then can we create sub-levels in the metal area, you know, Speed, Thrash, Black, Heavy, Power, Death, Grindcore, etc etc etc etc etc

Categories mean nothing. I thought punk was all about fighting this kind of bullshyte. I guess the music industry won after all???

Good Music - Black Sabbath, Weather Report, Death, Cynic, Miles Davis, Ramones, Motorhead, Mull Historical Society, Robert Johnson, Canned Heat, Beatles, Supersuckers, Mudhoney, Megadeth, Kraftwerk, etc

Bad Music - Westlife, Britney, etc etc etc

That's all there is.

All these stupid categories were created by the business side of the music industry in the late 70's so record shops could strategically place music in lumped groups and target specific markets with the aim of making more money. Does that sound like punk to you?

ferdi

nothing to do with fighting the power - only "fighting" for a place to discuss a music genre we like in its own forum.

maybe the question is not whether punk should get a forum but rather why metal is put on equal terms with rock (ie: this is the rock/metal forum) when it is a sub part of rock just like punk.

Doctor J

I couldn't give a damn what it's called. If you like a band, put up a post. When I saw it first, I assumed the name Rock/Metal meant Rock through to Metal, incorporating every subgenre thereof, in the same way an encyclopedia would be labelled Capernicus/Edison...

Perhaps, so that Industrial/Goth/Indie/Alternative/HardCore/AOR fans don't feel alienated we should change it to "Slightly overdriven to largely distorted guitar based music"?

I think we should appreciate what Angelwhore said here - "It's not a fact of not posting if you dont like it, it's the fact that boards is getting bogged down with so many new boards, many of which aren't all that usefull at all."

If it has got a loud guitar in it, post it here.

quank

why cant this forum be called "Rock", i dont understand why Metal can be up there in the name..... just so unfair
HARUMPH!

Karl Hungus

The name of the board isn't an issue. Metal, despite having Rock roots, is its own definable genre. The arguement to change the name because Metal originates from Rock is a completely redundant one, because Rock originated from Blues, so hense why not change the title to Blues!?

Are there going to be Hardcore fans who would a Hardcore forum, because the supposed Punk board doesn't seem to incorporate it, or might feel put off by the majority of regular punk posts? Or then Grindcore fans being offput by the then Hardcore board... Where does it all end?
Or more importantly, where is this leading?

If you did indeed want to post about punk so badly... Then the question really is, WHY THE HELL AREN'T YOU POSTING ABOUT PUNK!?!

You've all been told on this very thread that this is the place for it, and frankly I'm sick of trying to encourage you. If you dont want to post about punk, or very well make a change in this board, then I dont see why you would would deserve a punk board...

Especially when you've made it so very clear that you dont want to post about punk even after being several times that this is the right place for it, and being quite politely encouraged to do so.

quank

Originally posted by AngelWhore
The name of the board isn't an issue. Metal, despite having Rock roots, is its own definable genre. The arguement to change the name because Metal originates from Rock is a completely redundant one, because Rock originated from Blues, so hense why not change the title to Blues!?

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........................................... why not?

:ninja:

cournioni

OK for those of you who think that think there should be a Punk forum...

Compare and contrast this for me:
Punk and Rock
Grindcore and Metal.

honru

Originally posted by AngelWhore
The name of the board isn't an issue. Metal, despite having Rock roots, is its own definable genre.

You could say the same thing about punk or alternative.

Originally posted by AngelWhore
The arguement to change the name because Metal originates from Rock is a completely redundant one, because Rock originated from Blues, so hense why not change the title to Blues!?

No, not at all, because styles like metal and punk have nothing to do with blues. Over time, rock developed into a genre where alot of emphasis was put into pushing the boundaries of music, and it eventually moved away from blues, thus creating styles like hard rock and punk. They, in turn, developed metal and new-wave respectively.

Originally posted by AngelWhore
Are there going to be Hardcore fans who would a Hardcore forum, because the supposed Punk board doesn't seem to incorporate it, or might feel put off by the majority of regular punk posts? Or then Grindcore fans being offput by the then Hardcore board... Where does it all end?

Thats a bad analogy. While Hardcore and punk are related, punk has nothing to do with metal other than stemming from rock, so you expect us to post about punk in a developed metal forum? Sorry about it being unappealing and all, but imagine posting a lone thread about metal in a punk board. Wouldn't that be great?

I'm not even a big fan of punk. In fact, I listen to more metal than punk. But what the punk fans said in this thread really came to my attention and I agree that it should be fair for all, as well as being a better resource for all rock styles.

Karl Hungus

Originally posted by f®eak_s©enery
so you expect us to post about punk in a developed metal forum?

I still dont see how, that if someone has no reservements to post about Jethro Tull in this board, that anyone in their right mind could have qualms about posting anything Punk. It just screams childishness.

I expect people to post about ANYTHING even remotely rock-related. Be it anything from AC/DC, The Sex Pistols, or the most obscure metal band on the planet, then this being firstly a Rock board, and metal second, they are perfectly justified in doing so without critisism. Although critisism towards a band is obviously a given freedom, but not critisism as to the extent of "You shouldn't post that here!"

I personally, do not rule out any form of music, and as far as punk goes, I've been to many a local punk gig, and listen to a fair few bands. AFI being the most recent of punk bands I enjoy.

As for if I was posting about Metal in a punk board, again you're just ignorantly pidgeonholing this board as scrictly metal, and are being too lazy to try and change anything in the way of posting about punk. An unfair comparison really, as a 'Punk' board says to me that it is labeled as such, and metal simply wouldn't fit in, whereas punk being a subgenre of Rock, you're perfectly entitled.

The question still stands, that if people want to post about punk, why the hell aren't they doing it after being told several times that they're fully free to do so! It's ridiculous!

Civilian_Target

This board is pretty much a metal board, technically the rock/metal bit implies that it could cover Queen, Springsteen, Aerosmith as well as bands like Jet. And realisticly that doesn't happen.

I agree with the suggestion to call it just alt, it's short and it covers all the music that we're talking about. Because lets face it, while Avril Lavigne is considered rock to many people, I can only imagine the tyrade some fool would get if he posted about her here.

Karl Hungus

On the flipside to that, I can quite imagine what the majority of punk fans would have to say if she was posted about on a punk forum.

Karl Hungus

And just to clarify something...

On the first page of the rock/metal board alone, we have discussion about Guns'N'Roses, The Darkness, A Perfect Circle, Jethro Tull... Not the most 'meta'l bands ever, now are they?

And it just goes to show when a thread about the new G'n'R album gets nearly tripple the replies of a thread about the new Slayer DVD, that the ratio is pretty well matched.

One of the most active threads in recent times was a discussion about Led Zeppelin... Again, not the most 'metal' band of all time, but it clearly overshaddowed most other metal threads at the time.

And there was also a very, very active poll about Queen Vs. Guns'N'Roses.


So please, dont say that it "Realistically doesn't happen."

angmaar

look. metal is crap. lets face it. it's dead. any 'metal. band now are old punk bands (the best). gbh, discharge, disorder, deadkennedys et.al. are all alive and well in kerrangs pages. how many metal bands have covered 'sick boy' by gbh.

punk is a phenomenon as big as rock and roll and betlemania and BIGGER than metal. it's pure jealousy on metalheads immature side.

and while i'm at it, how about an 'oi!' forum. where would we be without the skinhead? all thes 'new punk' bands re pure ****ty pop. of the britney culture. there is no energy any more (unless you live in england).

SYSTEM OF A DOWN ARE PUNK. nothing else

good luck

Karl Hungus

Angmaar... Dragging up a *YEAR OLD THREAD* is very bad indeed!

angmaar

really. so what's all the 'new punks' doing? making money. thats not punk. 'punk aint no religiuos cult, punk means thinking for yourself'. dead kennedys--'nazi punks,F..K OFF'

what's your idea of punk. i'd love to hear

Karl Hungus

Avril Lavigne.

Well hardcore punk! Best of the best. :rolleyes:

angmaar

and by hardcore punk, name the bands between 1980 til the present day that you like (and no cheating )

avril is cool. she wears her clothes well enough to be called a punk.

Skellington

i dont really think its needed cos there dont seem to be the interest. if i'm wrong in sayin so, then prove it by all punk fans overrunning the rock/metal board with punk threads an force the mods to open a punk board. take some affirmative action instead of complainin...

Karl Hungus wrote:

Avril Lavigne.

Well hardcore punk! Best of the best. :rolleyes:

as a fat little man once said "you go to hell, you go to hell and you die"


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angmaar

please dont mention mods on any forum. we skinheads did them at brighton a long long time ago. punk needs a forum. its been around to long not to have one. they try to ban the pistols..........and look what happened. no manufacturing there.

the only reason modern day mods never made it is because weller is conservative.

from a ska - loving punk!!!!!!!!!!

dregin

I voted for it, and I don't think metal fans and punk fans are interested in the same subjects. I used to be into metal, but got bored with it becoming more about image than substance. Punk is more inclined to have a strong social agenda behind it and for this reason I think it should be seperate from this forum.

Skellington

dont get me wrong, i'm a huge fan but a punk forum will just have a sh*t load of kids talkin bouts "how bleedin deadly good charlotte are"

and that might start putting people off posting cos of all the teeny bopper punk ****. gimps that i work with think busted are punk :mad: cos they dont look like yer bog standard boy band even though that exactly what they are.

dregin

Yeah, but if they're just beaten with huge mohawk clad hedghogs they will burn off and the discussion will turn more to politics/issues/PUNK ROCK BLOOD GIVING stuff Also, I can't see how the poll returning a cote of 2:1 in favour hasn't yielded a new forum.

Ren0

i didn't think anyone actually liked punk.

Redleslie2

PunK04 wrote:

dont get me wrong, i'm a huge fan but a punk forum will just have a sh*t load of kids talkin bouts "how bleedin deadly good charlotte are"

So what? Lifestyles of the rich and famous is a cracking tune. Official.