ignorant mod pt 2

Feedback:

originally posted by Littletinyman
Just banned utility_ from the CS board because he plain exists, not because of anything he said

I think it's quite ludicrous to think that a mod is able to ban a person from a forum, not because he was causing trouble, but only due to personal discrepancies which are totally unrelated to both the discussion at hand and boards.ie in general. I'm certain that these mods were appointed in good faith to keep each forum orderly, not to give them the power to carry out their personal vendettas.



Suggestion:

Perhaps it's time to review certain moderators' actions and partake in disciplinary action against the offending parties who do their best to make boards.ie an enjoyable experience for themselves, while attempting to ruin other people's.

Littletinyman

Perhaps it's time you grew up and stopped being an inflammatory dickweed in every post you make. This is the textbook 180-degree holier-than-thou response of the banned muppet, and it's just dull.

Tazzle

The boards and certain irc channels are not there to serve as creche for people like yourself utility. I fully support Par. Not that he needs any, some people are born tards.

Mercury_Tilt

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Originally posted by Littletinyman
Perhaps it's time you grew up and stopped being an inflammatory dickweed in every post you make.

You see you just proved my point

This is the textbook 180-degree holier-than-thou response of the banned muppet, and it's just dull.

No, I just figured that posting what I wanted to say in the way I wanted to say it would make my point easier to understand.

Paddy20

There are so many mods, as there are so many forums on Boards.ie. It really would be asking a lot if all the posters and moderators were expected to get along and agree with each other, in a rational and sane manner all the time.

We are all human and make mistakes, so allowances must be made, but a moderator who always believes they are right, and refuses to apologise, even when they are clearly simply being unfairly power-crazed !, deserves to be challenged every time.

As I know well.

P.:ninja:

Littletinyman

You don't have a point, you're just blubbering incoherently about being banned from the CS board because all you ever do on it is slag people off and flame.

Oh and by the by, I didn't ban you to "make boards.ie an enjoyable experience" for myself, I did it to slightly improve the overall quality and relevance of posts in cesspit of retardation that is the CS board.

Littletinyman

As an aside, I think it's terribly funny that the removal of all the "I SHOULD BE KING OF BOARDS.IE LOOOOOOL" shite from your signature coincided with the posting of this desperate cry for help from the higher powers of boards.ie!

sionnach

*grin* well spotted :ninja:

Originally posted by Littletinyman
As an aside, I think it's terribly funny that the removal of all the "I SHOULD BE KING OF BOARDS.IE LOOOOOOL" shite from your signature

Actually it was removed prior, however what has that got to do with the situation? It was a joke signature that didn't insult or even affect anyone

coincided with the posting of this desperate cry for help from the higher powers of boards.ie!

No, it's not a "desperate cry for help", but rather I'm just pointing out what you did. Do you honestly think I should let this slide? If the same happened to you, what would you do?
It's the principle of it.

Littletinyman

Actually it was removed prior, however what has that got to do with the situation? It was a joke signature that didn't insult or even affect anyone

It was an insight into your boards.ie persona of an egotistical meathead with a penchant for muppetry.

Do you honestly think I should let this slide?

I personally couldn't care less, because I doubt it will make a difference either way. All you ever post to the CS board is random crap, and I'm sick of it.

jEt|Dino

Hang Par

hang him i say

utek dude CRY ME A FCUKING RIVER

Funky

thats not utek

DeadBankClerk

Amp test.

Gordon

I never got round to banning utility from PI, I think I'll bother my arse now...

phreak

Originally posted by Gordon
I never got round to banning utility from PI, I think I'll bother my arse now...

lol Gordon

Celt

utility's point is that your reason for banning him was retarded.

He may be an inflammotory dickweed, and if he is, ban him for it.

But the reason given is stupid.

Originally posted by Gordon
I never got round to banning utility from PI, I think I'll bother my arse now...

Under what grounds, may I ask? I don't give anyone trouble, I don't spam, I don't give bad advice - in fact, I've taken my time to give some great advice recently(see thread about nice guys).



See this is what I mean, ignorant mods who just jump at any chance to enforce their rule. I mean, Gordon didn't have to say anything here. As anyone can see with a search, I don't cause any trouble on the PI forum, it was just yet another mod trying to make themselves look as big and bad as possible.

Gordon

utility, consider this as a milkshake thrown at you.

The Corinthian

Originally posted by utility_
See this is what I mean, ignorant mods who just jump at any chance to enforce their rule. I mean, Gordon didn't have to say anything here. As anyone can see with a search, I don't cause any trouble on the PI forum, it was just yet another mod trying to make themselves look as big and bad as possible.

Mods are generally fairly disinterested in making themselves look as big and bad as possible. They just want a quiet life.

I’d tend to agree that as a reason for banning you, that you exist is pretty weak. Given this you’re hardly an aficionado of ‘How to Win Friends and Influence People’ are you?

A few classic examples:

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=116247
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=119606

From your arrival on Boards, every second post you’ve made has been a caustic troll. That you also often come out with valid and pertinent posts (I’ll grant you that), does not change the fact that the moment your name appears on the radar of a board, the mod present has to keep an eye on you because there’s a good chance that you’ll just be stirring trouble.

As for your behaviour on IRC, from what I’ve seen, it has absolutely no redeeming features whatsoever.

So the easiest solution is just to ban you pre-emptively. I would not subscribe to that myself, but such has your behaviour been in the past that I would probably ban you the moment you stepped out of line, even a tiny bit.

Originally posted by Gordon
utility, consider this as a milkshake thrown at you.

So I assume you're not even going to attempt to backup or even elaborate on your last post of banning me from PI? That's fine with me.

Originally posted by The Corinthian
Mods are generally fairly disinterested in making themselves look as big and bad as possible. They just want a quiet life.

I’d tend to agree that as a reason for banning you, that you exist is pretty weak. Given this you’re hardly an aficionado of ‘How to Win Friends and Influence People’ are you?

A few classic examples:

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=116247
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=119606

I was wondering how long it would take before somebody brought this up. The milkshake thing was in real life, and not in boards and we all live and learn as far as those kind of things are concerned. Whats this got to do with me being banned because I "exist" and "NOT because of anything" I said?
And what has it got to do with Gordon wanting to ban me from PI despite the fact I take my time to give advice to people while not causing any trouble?

From your arrival on Boards, every second post you’ve made has been a caustic troll. That you also often come out with valid and pertinent posts (I’ll grant you that), does not change the fact that the moment your name appears on the radar of a board, the mod present has to keep an eye on you because there’s a good chance that you’ll just be stirring trouble.

As for your behaviour on IRC, from what I’ve seen, it has absolutely no redeeming features whatsoever.

Well that's one opinion anyway. I don't believe for a second though that any mod at ANY stage has ever thought to himself, "Oh no, utility_ just posted on my forum, I've really got to keep an eye on him now". Every Second post has been a "caustic troll"? I disagree.
I'm going to mention this even though we've been drilled so many times that #Boards.ie has NOTHING to do with www.boards.ie. I rarely go on #boards.ie on IRC. In fact, I think the only time I had any sort of significant convo there was once while I was very drunk. Care to elaborate on my IRC behaviour?

Kold

Par has all the reasons in the world to ban him. He simply gave his most honest reason for it. Par may have a superiority complex but in this case he is unfaulted in his decision.


Utility... Just shut the **** up.

The Corinthian

Originally posted by utility_
I was wondering how long it would take before somebody brought this up. The milkshake thing was in real life, and not in boards

You posting, and practically boasting, about it was on boards though, wasn’t it?

we all live and learn as far as those kind of things are concerned.

You didn’t sound as if you learned anything from that thread. Your last post there was:

BY THE WAY - that's ROYAL because I'm KING and HOLY because I'm GOD

Whats this got to do with me being banned because I "exist" and "NOT because of anything" I said?

Because it’s an example (one of many) of your character and that you’re frankly more trouble than you’re worth.

And what has it got to do with Gordon wanting to ban me from PI despite the fact I take my time to give advice to people while not causing any trouble?

I would assume because you’re just being banned pre-emptively because sooner or later you’ll do something that will merit it anyway.

Well that's one opinion anyway. I don't believe for a second though that any mod at ANY stage has ever thought to himself, "Oh no, utility_ just posted on my forum, I've really got to keep an eye on him now". Every Second post has been a "caustic troll"? I disagree.

And that’s your opinion. Oddly though, even you should be able to see from this thread that your opinion is not widely shared.

Care to elaborate on my IRC behaviour?

Suffice it to say that in conjunction with many of your posts on boards, it doesn’t paint a pretty character reference of yourself. As a result some mods have decided to pre-emptively ban you because sooner or later you’ll do something that will merit it anyway.

ColinM

Ok, I've read the milkshake post before and I've just reread it now and I hadn't seen the one in after hours before where AngelWhore posted the log from IRC where Utility was drunkenly complaining that he would revenge the puch in the face he got from some knacker, so I read all that now.

A few things then I've got to say:

I'm not the first to actually defend Utility, but I wish I was so you would know I'm not just taking this stance because others have before me.

Utility does seem to be a curious dichotomy. It is true that by some of his posts you can easily make the assumption that he is an antisocial brat, and in others that he is a very level-headed and intelligent young man. I guess he must be both, just like we are none of us defined by just one thing.

In his "help a bro out" thread, he appears to be a brat who needs a good belt around the ear. I don't remember him expressing any particular remorse or understanding of what it may have been like for the woman in the car that he threw the milkshake at.

In the post that AngelWhore started where he posted the log from IRC, I was most impressed that Utility had the honesty to admit that if he actually did meet the knack who punched him in the face again, the only person doing the dying would be himself.

I think I have identified a few laudable character traits in Utility:

1: Honesty
2: Integrity
3: Knowledge of Self

Gordon - please don't ban utility from PI. I think he may well have further positive contributions to make to the forum. Have you ever noticed how when somebody posts reply with an opinion that is generally accepted by the next few posters that from then on, all you get is the same "me too" opinions rehashed over and over again. Utility seems to be someone who can at least think for himself, and thus could be a breath of fresh air.

What do you say?

Sangre

Originally posted by The Corinthian
As a result some mods have decided to pre-emptively ban you because sooner or later you’ll do something that will merit it anyway.

What a load of cráp.
Anyone with that type of view doesnt deserve to be a mod tbh.

And gordon, I'd love to hear your reasons for banning (or threatening to ban) utility from PI. Seems a bit of a bandwagon hopping reaction if you ask me.

I wont comment on the cs forum, because that board just plain brings out the worst in people.

ColinM

Incidentally, Merc, all your posts I see these days contain nothing but the rolleyes emoticon.

I know how cutting you find that particular smiley, so I guess you must mean it to be particularly disparaging. What's the story though? Have you broken your fingers or something? Are you now reduced to posting with a special wand and find typing takes too much effort? Maybe you're just going for a record of most consecutive posts where you don't actually type one word?

I suppose at the same time you are being fairly articulate though!

Hey, I hope you don't mind me calling you Merc, by the way. I don't mean to be over familiar. I still don't know you.

ColinM

Hey, Sangre - I agree.

Naturally, I'm aware of the irony.

Sangre

Originally posted by ColinM

Naturally, I'm aware of the irony.

Me too.

Funky

Originally posted by Gordon
utility, consider this as a milkshake thrown at you.

Thats reason enough for his banning in my opinion. Who cares if he's innocent, it's funny eh utility_....

Utility_ is such a bitch for complaining to the authorities like!

Oh the irony of it all.

amp

I often find lithium in chewable tablets often relieves this kind of maliase.

hth!

Gordon

I'm getting into this nasty ogreish mod thing now, excellent.

Sangre and ColinM shut yer jabberknackins and comply. COMPLY!

ColinM

Good man, Gordon. I like the way you never take things too seriously.

Utility - don't disappoint me ok!

The Corinthian

Originally posted by Sangre
What a load of cráp.

I was just pointing out why I would think he was banned. And as I said I would not agree with pre-emptive bannings.

Doesn’t change the fact that I can understand where they’re coming from even if I don’t concur with their actions and that utility_ has a serious Jekyl and Hyde thing going on.

koneko

Originally posted by Gordon
Sangre and ColinM shut yer jabberknackins and comply. COMPLY!

You just scared me a little bit.

logic1

Originally posted by ColinM
Incidentally, Merc, all your posts I see these days contain nothing but the rolleyes emoticon.

I know how cutting you find that particular smiley, so I guess you must mean it to be particularly disparaging. What's the story though? Have you broken your fingers or something? Are you now reduced to posting with a special wand and find typing takes too much effort? Maybe you're just going for a record of most consecutive posts where you don't actually type one word?

I suppose at the same time you are being fairly articulate though!

Hey, I hope you don't mind me calling you Merc, by the way. I don't mean to be over familiar. I still don't know you.

:rolleyes:

.logic.

ColinM

Ya smartass!
I shouda seen that one coming!

Kold

I wont comment on the cs forum, because that board just plain brings out the worst in people.

Well that would depend on the people in question being multifaceted.... Utility is just a twat and we'll need to live with that until he grows the **** up

Sangre

/me shuts jabbernackers.


Ahhh much better.

NOICE!!

¬_¬

Paddy20

This thread is not serious enough to be taken seriously!.

P.

Fun and games aside, I'd still like to get an official comment from one of the 'powers that be' so to speak, on what their opinion is about a mod banning somebody "Not because of anything he said, but just because he exists".

Also on Gordons behaviour of throwing threats of bannings around in a thread which didn't actually involve him directly.

If you think that's the way in which mods should behave, then that's fine, it is your forum after all. I'd like to know either way.




btw thanks to Celt, ColinM and Sangre for taking a stance which they thought was right, and not just hopping on the bandwagon.

ferdi

ooooh look at us, we slag people on the internet.

ooooh look at the amazing power i yield, i can BAN people from boards.ie!!!

lads, its an internet site, quit the pissing contest, its getting embarrassing.

amp

/me adds ferdi to "People who I'm going to have to supress" list in diary.

DeVore

Ferdi, only admins can ban people from here and none have offered an opinion on this thread.

Let me just tell you all what happens when someone complains about a mod. I'll review the users post history and their posts on various boards to get an idea of their past. If I'm happy with the ban I'll let it go.

I'm im undecided about a ban I'll ask one of the other admins for their advice or I'll ask all the admins if they have had to deal with this user before. Usually they are fairly clear cut cases but that system sure works for me.

If I disagree with the ban I'll ask the Mod to point out where they think the user overstepped the mark. I'll look for warnings or previous admonishments to the user, though to be fair we've had to have a Zero Tolerance approach to the CS board because of the incredible number of total knobs it can generate.
If the Mod is still set on his ban after all my not incosiderable ability to negotiate a settlement, then I'll consider this:

Has this mod a history of being unfair? If so, is it time to replace him/her? Is this user sufficently in the right to warrant a full Admin Intervention and reverse the mods decision?

So, thats what I go through when someone complains about the mods. Now, Utility_, LTM didnt ban you because you exist. Thats just LTM's way of putting things very very bluntly. He banned you because some of your posts are unhelpful childish and annoying. He could have been more tactful of course, but then he could also have a better singing voice but you cant have everything.

On the other hand there are posts where you are reasonable, helpful and frankly a completely different person. They have not been on the CS board it should be pointed out.

Its taken me this long to respond simply because I WAS THINKING. It takes time to review these things and I was trying to talk to LTM about it too as I always talk to Mods about complaints.

If you think LTM and I are best buddies you might want to ask around. He and I have gone at each other before but I respect what he's done for the CS community and while not everyone likes the Zero Tolerance approach, it has stemmed the tide of CS muppets.

You asked for feedback? Ok, I think LTM should have been more mature about his message to you but then again thats his way of doing things. I think you arent the angel you claim to be. I think you should stay out of CS and post on other boards as I dont think it brings the best out in you.

I disagree with pre-emptive banning but we've never had a case of it before so the rules were never laid down and I can easily see how some Mods might go for it to head off trouble. We'll set a guideline for it in the Mod forum soon.

So theres you're feedback. Happy? Sigh... no, of course you arent ...


DeV.

eirebhoy

I would love to know how LTM feels after being deservedly banned from the Ireland Offline Forum. He acted just as bad as Utility has ever acted and this was after this thread was opened. Grow up LTM.

Originally posted by DeVore
So theres you're feedback. Happy? Sigh... no, of course you arent ...

Actually I'm pretty content with that response. If you look you'll see that lately I had hardly been posting in the CS forum at all - like I said, it was the principle of the whole scenario. I just wanted to bring the behaviour of "LTM" to your attention.
I do agree that the CS forum brings out the worst in people though. Actually scrap that, it brings out the worst people full stop. An asshole mod for an asshole job? perhaps...

Hobbes

Actually after reading the milkshake thread I would of banned you off boards as a pre-emptive move.

You almost killed a person and then had the nerve to come on and brag about it.

daveg

Originally posted by Hobbes
Actually after reading the milkshake thread I would of banned you off boards as a pre-emptive move.

You almost killed a person and then had the nerve to come on and brag about it.

I totally agree. The milkshake thread really pissed me off (which I'm sure would delight utility as I think that was his aim). As hobbes said you could have killed someone and then you post on boards to brag about it.

ColinM

Originally posted by Hobbes
Actually after reading the milkshake thread I would have banned you from boards as a pre-emptive move.

You almost killed a person and then had the nerve to come on and brag about it.

Look-it lads, there is a principle involved here, and it's along the lines of the real world tenet that you cannot imprison somebody for a crime that they may commit in the future (cf. Minority Report).

As Devore has already said, this has not come up before here, but he also feels that a moderator should not ban someone from a forum because of something he or she might post.
Any moderator who does is not the right kind of moderator.

Hobbes

I disagree.

Normally when I was about to ban someone I would check thier history. If they were shown to be a muppet they got a ban otherwise they just got the post nuked where they are acting the muppet.

ColinM

No, you don't disagree.
What you're talking about there is banning someone after they have given you sufficient reason to do so (with respect to the particular forum you moderate).
It's up to an admin to make a judgement call on an overall ban from the site, based on past behaviour.

Hobbes

And if you read back you would see the mod in question did check up on them before banning.