Goodbye Quake. Welcome to the Dark Side.

MindPhuck

3 Years of Quake has been really kewl. Ive been reading all
the diferent web pages out there and its all Quake3Arena.
Its time to make that jump.

A while back Zero came up with the idea of getting stuck into
q3a from the beginning and I believe the time has come to do
just that. So heres whats happening - Myself, Zero and Reaper
(and 2 others) are setting up a q3a clan. Were gonna learn
it, break it and master it till we can take on the best of
them.

Id love to see other teams being formed. Hopefully it wont be
the old quake1 or quake2 teams being transformed into the same
q3a team, but a more refreshing mixture of teams and friends.

I myself love the lads from Incarnate and Id hate to see them
go, but I, and like many others, need a new lease of quakedom
and its here, its called Quake3Arena.

This doesnt mean goodbye in any fashion at all, expecially to
my clan, but it does mean I will be focusing most of my game
time to q3a (the rest is for starcraft and maybe the odd kickabout on q1

I remember playing quake at first and the buzz was amazing, I
can feel that buzz starting to come back again, the thrill of
just having fun. I look at the already out-there leagues and
finals for q3a and I dont see any Irish names on the list.

Ive been at high level gaming competitions, I've met and
played the best of them, and I know, with alot of practice,
we can be as good the best. But I know if we dont move to q3a
soon, were gonna be left in the dark again.

So there you have it, Im off to the wild new frontier of q3a.
Will I see you on the dark side ??


[This message has been edited by MindPhuck (edited 06-09-99).]

Chaos

nethouse friday so
There might be another q3 clan made up of different people some old some new coming soon........

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ButcherOfNog

we'll see ya soon so.

Dr_Teeth

Hi from ECTS, ignore Q3, UT is absolutely superior in every way. It is *the* most fun and innovative FPS game I've ever played.

Have a look at:

http://www.qamex.com

Teeth.
(who spent the weekend playing UT non-stop with the Epic guys! woohoo!)

SheroN

Yih UT rides poor quake3a like the late brendan smith would an altar boy....:/

ButcherOfNog

yes yes yes but does it work over the net? and wheres our "evaluation" copies?

Spoonman

It'll work over the net alright, if its anything like Unreal version 225 it'll be grand. Question is will q3 work over the net? it so bloody crap here, constant disconnections.

Hecate

i'm sorry, but the two games dont even compare.

UT is superior to Q3 in every way. Heres why:

It runs on a lower spec machine than Quake3, plus the graphics are nicer, and its tweakable beyon belief (you can actually input what framerate you want and UT adjusts detail levels dynamically). Its gameplay, longevity and weapon balance is unbelievably good. Each weapon has two modes of fire and there are tricks you can pull off with most of them. Plus you can hold two pistols at once al la matrix

It ships with approximately 7 mods built in: pure DM, Team DM, CTF, Assault, Domination, Capture the flag, Last man standing and Darkmatch. With more to follow.

And its so much fun to play, some of the levels are insane

Need i say more?...and trust me there is much more.

SickBoy

Have we lost the point of this thread ???? Q3Arena is where I see my future with a little bit of Quake on the off chance. I will mostly though be on the IGN Q3A servers!
MP is so right in saying that if we dont make the move now we will be left in the same old same old of I'm not playing that game its too slow or the shaft isnt the same from Quake1 or the rail doesnt resemble the Quake2 one The time for whinging is over and the time of transition is upon us.


Jimmy...

WhiteWashMan

wait til i put my voodoo3 through its paces and and run glMinesweep.

its better coz multi is more tactical yet at the same time, reckless moves can either lose or win you a game. you can change the colours of your flags, and you cn change the smiley face on the smilie (i have darth maul )
you dont need to bother with configs. packet lose is not a major issue. cl_dlighting will increase your fps by an incredible amount, but at the same time it doesnt effect the mood of the game. the minesweep bots are brill, they are all compatible with any grid, even ones you do yourself.
apart from that i will play q3a and ut

does any1 have laser squad for the pc by the way? even as part of an emulator. one of thebest top down stratagy games ever

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Hecate

hmm...touché

mobius

Bravo Mr.MindPhuck,
I'll be supporting Q3A all the way!
Let us not live in the past, and ask not what your country can do for you, but what playing Quake3 will do to your shaft aim.

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Chaos

only reason why ppl will play q3a is not because its better than ut but its called "Quake"
Notthing wrong with that though, ill probably do the same
long live Quake1 !

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Cheez

it seems to me that all the q1ers are off to play q3a and all the q2ers are off to play Unreal T.
I dunno there always seems to be a difference of opinion somewhere

TinCool

Yea bout eamo, can you play it over the net ? No fun on your own

amp

Right, I think the time has come to setup a glMsweeper clan.

WhiteWashMan

do you have laser squad pau?
is it pc or amiga ?
dont know about net, but i do know its two player

Shinji

Saying that the Q1 players are off to play Q3 and the Q2 players are off to UT is completely inaccurate.

At TPF over the weekend, the Quake1 players were practically creaming themselves over UT. I was delighted to note that Lucifa, who was a hardcore QW player, was jumping for joy at the UT plasma cannon/shaft and rocket launcher - according to him (and a number of other q1 players there, "they're perfect!". There was nobody there who didn't think that it urinated all over Q3, with the possible exception of Sujoy, but then again he based that on 2 seconds of play or so... and even he liked it for the most part, afaics.

According to GreenMarine from Epic, the game is playable on pings of up to 400. They've been testing it very intensively on modem connections - they have people in Canada who dial up on modems and play on Epics server in the US to test connections, and they've reported very smooth net play.

As for your "evaluation copies", the warez that's floating about is about a month old, but still very good. The final is due shortly, and I for one won't be warezing it - it's a game that I know I'll play for a very long time, and it's well worth £35 of my cash. And yours.

Ja,
Rob


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ButcherOfNog

"it urinated all over Q3"

correction

"it urinated all over Q3t"

i find it hard to believe someone in software is comparing a test release to a final product.

Shinji

It's all we have to compare, Noel.

The fact is, Q3 is close - just about as close as UT. They'll be out within weeks of each other, most likely.

I know we haven't seen all the Q3 weapons and levels yet, but that isn't the point. The physics, the graphics, the weapons, the options, the actual basic gameplay concepts - UT beats it on all levels.

I'm not waiting with bated breath for Q3 final. They've fvcked up massively by taking input from the world, it's uncle and his dog over it. Trying to please everyone, Q3 has ended up an appalling mess that pleased nobody. In contrast, with UT community interest and support was initially so low that nobody made any input, leaving Epic to create the game THEY wanted to make - and ultimately, it seems, pleasing everyone.

Ja,
Rob

Cheez

cool im buyin that game me!

Chaos

yes but is ut one of those games where the levels have no direction and the weaps are unreal? like the wepas in quake are some what realistic and weve come to love them. Levels in quake will allways rock. Quake3 might win cause its got these features....plus its called QUAKE!
It will take alot to defeat that.

Kali

Quake 3 = Quake 2 = ****.

Shinji

Chaos...

I'm assuming from that post that you haven't even read any of the online previews of Unreal Tournament? And probably not even looked at screenshots?

Ahh well.

DEATH

Lightning Gun Realistic eh?



bah if you want realism move too america buy urself a few guns and go down to your local highschool

Chaos

lol death wehhhh

And shinji yah i read them yah i saw the screenshots on lamex...they dont mean much untill you play the game do they?

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earthworm_jim

Q3 is actually a lot further from a release version than UT.

Plus, we've only played Q3test which is a hardware test, not even close to a demo. They have the full game with all 50 or so levels somewhere in Id HQ. Presumably you guys played the full beta of UT?

That said - both games should be good fun. Sure we'll buy them both and see which one we keep coming back to play. Q1 is still the best though.

Shinji

Well Chaos, if you've been following UT in previews etc, its kinda surprising that you know nothing about the levels or the weapons, isn't it?

Er... and as for saying that Q3 is a lot further from release than UT, Q3A is a Christmas release, and so is UT.

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MindPhuck

Donno,

This seems to be getting off the point I made . Ie, people who wish to keep playing Quake, should start to make a move to q3a real soon. Not a q3a v's ut converstation.

Maybe you nutt0rs should start a new tread under - 'quake2/tribes loosers move to UT'

Joking aside, I've heard that UT is good from some reliable people, sure, I never know myself, I might even start playing that to death, but I know one thing : I love q1, buts time to get a refreshing feel for gaming and it could be either Quake or UT.

Well See.

Erisian

Can we wait until UT is actually available before saying how much better than Q3A (or rather, Q3Test) it is?

I hear it's good - but I also hear that from people like Shinji, who have been attacking Q3A for a while now. There's nothing wrong with that, each to their own - the point is that there may be a large number of people (like the people who currently enjoy Q3Test) who will prefer Q3A to UT, and no amount of griping about the 'bad' physics in Q3A is going to change that...

Personally, I think Q3A is an excellent game. Maybe I'll be blown away by UT when I finally get to play it, and if so then cool. But for now, Q3test is the biz, and I for one will be glad to see MindPhuck (and anyone else!) playing on the IGN Q3 servers.

amp

Just read the review for UT in Pc Format (100th edition with free balloon, mousemat and fresbee. woooo!)
They just lurve it, giving it 92%.
They also say the min recommendation system is 200mmx, 32 meg, 3d card. Which basically describes my PC

muuuustt buuuuuuuuy......

Hecate

yup Q3 is great fun.

over a lan with your mates after a few beers

ste

is it worth spending say 160/170 quid to buy say

64 ram
vodoo3 2000

for my celery 400 system so i can play q3t and UT !

well IS IT !

IS IT !

maybe a new HD or deletion of mp3's would be on da cards to store all those games !


yes no WHO KNOWS


YES

mobius

YES, it's bloody well worth it.
I'd recomend though, that you get the AGP Voodoo3 (3000 or 3500), so you can use the highres textures.
If your motherboard doesn't support AGP, just sell it to the knackers, they might give you an old washing machine for it.

PAH!...celeron...BOOOOO!

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Koopa

I havent seen UT yet, but if it is considered "playable" on a 400 ping, its not worth playing

Shinji

I consider Quake3 "playable" on a 300-400 ping. Not "great", but "playable". As long as it's a solid ping, you can have a decent enough game on it versus other HPBs.

Thats what they mean by "playable".

Ja,
Rob

Geebee

This post has merged into a UT verus Q3 war. This is because of the push eric has put in for q3 yet some people think that q3 will not be the multiplayer game of the next two years.

The brand name is going to be a big thing in deciding that, personally I would have said UT couldn't win it...

I think I'm pretty qualified in deciding if UT has the right buzz. I haven't played quake in years, I basically missed the end of the q1 days and all of the q2 days. Recently I played duel q3t on a lan and I enjoyed myself plenty, theres lots of fun to be had for sure, but most recent spate of gaming was one night during the ects when I played the epic lads and some uk big names (nightwing, hakeem). Alright so enough name dropping. I never felt such a buzz in a long time, I came second in my group and was second to hakeem in the semifinal for 1/2 the match (unfortunately fuppen it up towards the end.. way down the list). Qamex team beat epic and the cybercafe people in a ctf match (the epic one went on for ages.. ask Dr_Teeth.. was mentol).

The feel is quake1, but the strategy is good enough for q2'ers. The levels are good and the weapons are very sound. Get two enforcers (handguns, starting weapon, not enough on its own) and you can even take on guys with rocket launchers, plasma guns (feels so much better than the q3 one) and sniper rifles. Every weapon doubles up with a second function fire which makes loads of difference to how you think... its basically having two different weapons for different situations at the one time.. speeds up the game.

q3test won't give quake one people what they are looking for .. thats for sure, UT will.

I did get a buzz of UT, but then that maybe attributed to the enviornment in which I played it.

IF ANYONE DARES CALL QAMEX LAMEX AGAIN.. I'LL BE BASHING HEADS.

Greenbean

Shiminay

I really couldn't be arsed reading all that.

Basically, I'm looking forward to Q3A. Call me any kind of muppet you want, but I like the test (except for the time-limits on jumping, but I let id know what I fell about that myself).

UT looks great, and by all accounts plays great. I'm also really looking forward to getting my hands on that too.

You can't compare one to the other until we've got final release on both.

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tHE vAGGABOND

....considered "playable" on a 400 ping, its not worth playing

If I understand this correct Koopa then if a game has good netcode, and HPB's can play grand, its not worth playing? er what?

Lads, people will play quake 3 and ppl will play UT. We will think 'our' game is the best. IMHO quake is ugly, old and tired, but thats my opinion other ppl disagree, seeing lads on K7's with 32 meg TNT2's in London with quake in software mode said it all for me. I read somewhere that koopa plays 5 or 6 hours a day at times - with so much time put into a game it is hard to move on. My example is Sujoy, who at ECTS who did not like UT after exactly 3 seconds of game play on brits silly config, he said and I quote..

..dont like it because it is different from quakeworld

I, myself dont get it, its a stupid reason. Nothing wil be like quake 1 ever again, get on with life, move on (like MP and the lads are). But then again I have not played quake for 3 years and 6 hours a day either.

Getting back to MP's point it is great that ppl will move on. Im not going to further blabber on about the what I think of UT, I have made that clear. All I wil say that IMHO when ppl play UT I think they will play a lot more. I will let the game do the talking.

Fair play top MP and most of the quake 1 crowd for moving on getting with the times and I look foward to killing all you all in UT

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quozl

a) you're talking out of your *****
b) koopa barely plays quake anymore
c) i think he meant that if its playable at 400ping it must be stupidly slow and dull. Nothing to do with network code. if you can half half a second lag more than someone else and still be playable then the game must move like ****ing treacle
And ppl playing it in software mode is a bad thing? FFs doesnt that show how good it was? I have a tnt p2 450 and i play software. Its the gameplay not the graphics that make the game, unreal 1 was beautful and most ppl agree it sucked huge amounts of c0ck at netplay(till they fixed it).
I'm looking forward to ut and all, but saying quake is crap because its old is just dumb. Unless of course graphics is all thats important in a game...
Q

ButcherOfNog

is UT better than q3 over CAT6 cable?

Koopa

well said greg!

by the way, I meant that no matter how good the netcode is, you cant remove the 400ms lag before firing.. which in my opinion will ruin any game, because the game now revolves around how much better one player knows his high ping lamer tactics than the other player. Tactics in a game change totally when both players can hit each other every single time...