Condoms and contraception

Dakeyras · 12-09-2003 9:26am #1

Just a few little random points about contraception. Since we've been talking about greater sex eduaction and the like, there be no better place to start. And i'd like to get some peoples opinions in relation to contraception.

With my last girlfriend our preferred method of contraception was condoms because she didn't like the pill, any form of the pill she had taken didn't agree with her at all and she had tried quite a few. So condoms it was, we used durex mostly but had a few disasters with splittage (fukin killer that is) and then it was off for the morning after pill. Now this didn't do good things to her at all, and i hated the fact that she had to do it because it fuked up her cycles and generally wasn't (and isn't) good for her system. So after trying most of the range of condoms i found the safest (bar extra strength) was gossamer. I don't really know why but from experience thats what we discovered. Does anyone else have a preference for a type or make of condom?

Now, onto the pill. the girlfriend before the last was on the pill and this meant, fire away my son and off you go. I wasn't going out with her that long (only about 4/5 months) and i always felt kind of out of control of the whole contraception thing, like i had nothing to do with it really. When i first started going out with her we used condoms but when she said she was on the pill the condoms went bye bye, but because we'd only started going out really i was a bit worried in case she would forget to take one or something. Just an irrational fear which disappeared after a short while but it was there for a while. Again whats other mens/womens opinions about the man having nothing to do with the form of contraception?

Unfortunately the only form of contraception that a man has any input over is using condoms (someone correct me if i'm wrong). There is sterilisation of course but i'm talking about temporary forms as opposed to permanent. i have heard they are working on a male pill at the moment but i haven't heard any news of it actually becoming available anywhere.

Onwards we go... I've never used a different form of contracetion with anyone: the rythm method, the coil, gels/foams, the female condom or anything else. Has anyone else and what do they think of them? all views most appreciated.

A friend of mine used to use nothing but the withdrawal method with his girlfriend, now they've beens going out for getting on two years and i think they have been extremely lucky to say the least. I think that that is inordinately stupid and his only reason is that "the condom ruins the feel" and they wouldn't even consider anything else. His girlfriend is now on the pill but i think that the fact that he doesn't like condoms and so she has to go the pill is a bit ****. Hell yeah it takes away a bit of sensation, but its still damn fine.

Anyhoo, enough babbling on, throw out your views people and spread 'the knowledge'.

Sleipnir · 12-09-2003 9:30am

my son proves that condoms don't always work.
my work collegues's son proves that the pill doesn't always work.
Best advice is; USE BOTH.
You don't want to go down that road unexpectedly believe me!

loismustdie · 12-09-2003 9:35am

i'd always use condoms along with any other form of contraception. the pill or injection or whatever is only against pregnancy and i'd feel safer with condoms because i know there's a physical barrier

loismustdie · 12-09-2003 9:43am

also, a friend of mine is pregnant and she used condom, was on injection and got the morning after pill - i didn't ask why she got the morning after pill while already on injection and condoms but don't doubt it's true

loismustdie · 12-09-2003 9:50am

Originally posted by Kananga
my son proves that condoms don't always work.
my work collegues's son proves that the pill doesn't always work.
Best advice is; USE BOTH.
You don't want to go down that road unexpectedly believe me!

there is proof everywhere that no contraception is fool-proof

Dakeyras · 12-09-2003 9:55am

Originally posted by Kananga
my son proves that condoms don't always work.
my work collegues's son proves that the pill doesn't always work.
Best advice is; USE BOTH.
You don't want to go down that road unexpectedly believe me!

That is definetly one road that i don't want to go down unexpectedly at all at all. When the time comes but not before i would hope.

Originally posted by loismustdie
i'd always use condoms along with any other form of contraception. the pill or injection or whatever is only against pregnancy and i'd feel safer with condoms because i know there's a physical barrier!

Thats got to be the safest way really, using two forms at the same time has got to cut down the odds greatly, and of course with condoms there's the protection against STI's

Originally posted by loismustdie
also, a friend of mine is pregnant and she used condom, was on injection and got the morning after pill - i didn't ask why she got the morning after pill while already on injection and condoms but don't doubt it's true

:eek: shiiite! did the condom split? otherwise i can't see why she would have got the morning after pill. but if thats true that is quite scary. I've always considered the morning after pill as the last line of defence.

But i guess theres only one thing that you can be sure of, and thats that you can't be totally sure of any form of contraception. There's always that chance, but the best you do is take the appropriate precautions.

Nevyn · 12-09-2003 10:22am

http://www.ifpa.ie/contraception/index.html

lists all the types forms and % .

http://www.onboardsigns.com/pillformen/indexpillformen.htm

well it still isnt advailible but one day......

skittishkitten · 12-09-2003 1:14pm

My experience with the pill was not exactly a good one . I went from high sex drive to no sex drive and gained weight . It eventually made me hypertensive and they had to take me off of it. Once I was off of it my sex drive kicked into overdrive and it's been there ever since ( and it is SOOOOOO fun ) .... also most of the extra weight has come off too, so I've no doubt it was caused by the pill . I've a girlfriend that is currently going through the same thing , so if anyones girl ever goes on the pill and suddenly has no sex drive you'll know why.

Kell · 12-09-2003 3:09pm

For me the preference is rubbers. I have only had one split on me in 12 years.

When it comes to splittage, lads, she musnt be wet enough otherwise they wouldnt break i.e. your not doin yer job right. Either that, or they were crap condoms.

K-

Typedef · 12-09-2003 3:15pm

Splittage....

nope, not even once to my recollection.

I'd have to say, I prefare sex without condoms, but, umm, since I don't have a regular monogamous long term thing with any females, that's totally out of the question.

I suppose I'll be married (if I do that) or at least ... something similar, before I would be reasonably willing to risk non-gloved action.
(round of applause if you please barkeep).

Mostly, I'd be freaked out about getting an STD, and dying from it, miserable, and completely to blame for it.

On that note... I'd like to take this opportunity to encourage all the kids out there interweb land to attend mass on a regular basis... or failing that... join the Typedef-eulogy church...

Come, try it now....
"Touch the screen... heal... heal"

Kell · 12-09-2003 3:36pm

Originally posted by Typedef
On that note... I'd like to take this opportunity to encourage all the kids out there interweb land to attend mass on a regular basis... or failing that... join the Typedef-eulogy church...

Come, try it now....
"Touch the screen... heal... heal"

WTF Typie? You hung over as well and bored to boot?

K-

Typedef · 12-09-2003 4:20pm

Nah.

I get the sense alot when people talk about (stable relationships) or (safe sex) that it's more for the near expected brain washed acclaim then any actual personal conviction on the topic.

Nevyn · 12-09-2003 6:22pm

there are a lot oe people that are hugely relucant to go get tested so that they can stop using condoms if they are going to be in a commited relationship (of what ever lenght).

most likely afraid to what they may find.

DMT · 12-09-2003 6:28pm

Originally posted by Dakeyras
the girlfriend before the last was on the pill and this meant, fire away my son and off you go. I wasn't going out with her that long (only about 4/5 months)

That's madness tbh. Do you realise she could have had an STD that didn't show any symptoms (ie 50% of chlamydia case).
It's off the the STD clinic for you me bucko*.

* Fergus's Wedding has a lot to answer for...

Capt'n Midnight · 12-09-2003 10:09pm

While there is no contraceptive pill for men there exists a morning after pill for men. It changes your blood group.

Just a thought on getting the snip - from a joke I saw.

It should be possible instead of cuting the 'ole tubes to have them venting rearwards. The idea being that sperm would still be available if needed. - any thoughts ?

nuvolari · 12-09-2003 11:10pm

morning after pill ain't always effective either, and a friend has an adorable son to prove it.

KdjaCL · 13-09-2003 9:50am

Surpise no 1 Kelly she was on Pill.
Surprise no 2 Daniel used condoms.
Surpise no 3 Chloe she was on Injection.

Moral of the story ,use what you like spermies are way smarter than us mere mortals.

kdjac

Dakeyras · 15-09-2003 4:56pm

Originally posted by DMT
That's madness tbh. Do you realise she could have had an STD that didn't show any symptoms (ie 50% of chlamydia case).
It's off the the STD clinic for you me bucko*.

* Fergus's Wedding has a lot to answer for

Ah done and done, got tested when i started going out with my last girlf (as did she), and thankfully was all on the clear.

Ah, Fregus's Wedding, fukin brilliant.
"Babes can we do it doggystyle, me bloody hips givin' me a bit a jip" some classic comedy moments

Nevyn · 16-09-2003 11:59am

Originally posted by Dakeyras
Ah done and done, got tested when i started going out with my last girlf (as did she), and thankfully was all on the clear.

nice to see there are other grown ups out there that do this type of thing .

LegacyUser · 17-09-2003 12:14am

Someone said it already, no contraception is full proof, and while I would take the pill for my own pleasure of not having to use condoms..it still doesnt protect me from std's so until I am with soemone long term who has been tested, condoms it will be.
I believe both men and women should keep a box of them handy

Annasopra · 18-09-2003 4:51pm

[/QUOTE] I'd have to say, I prefare sex without condoms, but, umm, since I don't have a regular monogamous long term thing with any females, that's totally out of the question.

Mostly, I'd be freaked out about getting an STD, and dying from it, miserable, and completely to blame for it.

I know that this topic is about contraception but I am amazed that everyone does not know that not all STIs can be prevented by condoms

http://www.healthpromotion.ie/uploaded_docs/hput00039.pdf

http://www.afraidtoask.com/std.htm

Theres also info near the end of this page

Peace · 22-09-2003 10:21pm

Surpise no 1 Kelly she was on Pill.
Surprise no 2 Daniel used condoms.
Surpise no 3 Chloe she was on Injection.

Moral of the story ,use what you like spermies are way smarter than us mere mortals.

kdjac

Holy sh1te...Dude....its posts like that that'll will stop me having sex forever....and i'm only 25 ffs.....

On a different note meself and da missus use both the pill and condoms. No problems yet and i'm literally touching wood here.

qwertyphobia · 08-10-2003 8:44pm

on the topic of comdoms bursting or slipping off there is a few things you can do if you are finding this a problem

Find a type of condom that suits your shape, only way to do this is to try out lots of different ones cause it's different for different guys.

Use water based or silcone based lubes

Studies on condom breaks show that unsuprisingly the risk increases the longer you shag. Over 20 minietes and the risk increases so when you are changing positions at some stage maybe change condom as well.

Think about the times condoms fail for you, there is a chance that there is a pateran in when it happens, often after having sex in a particular position. If you can figure that out you then know to be more carefull when you are using that position.

as for other types

Have used the cap in the past with my partner and we found it very uncomfortable, in some position it was very intrusive (ie you could feel it) but other people may experince it differently

sceptre · 09-10-2003 1:23am

Originally posted by KdjaC
Surpise no 1 Kelly she was on Pill.
Surprise no 2 Daniel used condoms.
Surpise no 3 Chloe she was on Injection.

I'm being nosey. Were the J and A planned?

GuanYin · 09-10-2003 1:41am

Dear god, you guys have no idea.

Firstly let me say that condoms as a method of birth control, on average (given that many users are drunk/inexperienced etc) are only 86% effective.

The pill is one of my many pet campaigns. The huge problem with it is that many doctors aren't bothered prescribing it properly. Doctors are *supposed* to take a full medical history of the patient into consideration, and measure height, weight and blood pressure on the spot. Doctors should also question you on diet, smoking, exercise and stress levels (among other things). then, taking all this and the age of the patient into consideration, doctors can choose the correct pill. Most girls I know have been prescribed the wrong pill for them. Quite simply, most doctors (and I include Family planning clinnics) don't do their job on this issue. If any girls here are going to a doctor, I *urge* you to offer forth the information above and ask them to consider it in choosing the pill they put you on. If you know your pharmacist, talk to him/her. Sad but true, pharmacists are probably more qualified to prescribe the pills than your GP.

Finally, read my sig. Thats right, condoms are only 60% effective against STI's overall. If you have a new sexual partner, make sure they have a regular STI check. every 6 month if you are having sex with more than one partner. Most STI's are curable, but the ones that aren't..... well do you really want to risk it?

Peace · 09-10-2003 1:39pm

Originally posted by sykeirl
Dear god, you guys have no idea.

Bit of a generalisation there skyeirl?

Just something that comes to mind.....don't women only know about cooking + cleaning....what are you doing posting about something which isn't realated to either of those subjects.

Is that a generalisation?

GuanYin · 09-10-2003 1:57pm

Originally posted by Peace
Bit of a generalisation there skyeirl?

Wasn't meant as a generalisation aim at posters or people....

was meant as an exclamation.

as in.... "Hey Sykeirl, are you having a busy day....."

"God, you have no idea"

Originally posted by Peace
Just something that comes to mind.....don't women only know about cooking + cleaning....what are you doing posting about something which isn't realated to either of those subjects.

Is that a generalisation?

Well I'm a guy so I guess I'm entitled to post about them by your arguement, but yeah it is a generalisation.

Peace · 09-10-2003 2:00pm

A bloke huh, that came out of left field.

GuanYin · 09-10-2003 2:06pm

I'm a medical researcher working on infectious diseases (including most STIs'). I also teach pharmacology to 3rd level students. I work with the NDSC and spent a year and a half doing rotations at an STI clinic. Like I said the pill is a pet crusade of mine, mainly because they are so bloody badly presribed.

simu · 09-10-2003 5:01pm

The pill is one of my many pet campaigns. The huge problem with it is that many doctors aren't bothered prescribing it properly. Doctors are *supposed* to take a full medical history of the patient into consideration, and measure height, weight and blood pressure on the spot. Doctors should also question you on diet, smoking, exercise and stress levels (among other things). then, taking all this and the age of the patient into consideration, doctors can choose the correct pill. Most girls I know have been prescribed the wrong pill for them. Quite simply, most doctors (and I include Family planning clinnics) don't do their job on this issue. If any girls here are going to a doctor, I *urge* you to offer forth the information above and ask them to consider it in choosing the pill they put you on. If you know your pharmacist, talk to him/her. Sad but true, pharmacists are probably more qualified to prescribe the pills than your GP.

Do you have any links to more info on this? It's an interesting topic.

GuanYin · 09-10-2003 5:07pm

Originally posted by simu
Do you have any links to more info on this? It's an interesting topic.

Not off hand, most of what I know are from journals and my own education. I'll source some stuff next week for you though.

Selik · 09-10-2003 11:00pm

My ex-girlfriend whom I went out with for four years was on the pill for over three years of the relationship and we never had any problems at all, her or me. I have to say like most men, I find sex is far superior with a condom not to mention more spontaneous! I think the main problem with alot of women and The Pill is that it's an extremely reliable form of contraception WHEN it's taken properly! Even taking antibiotics can render The Pill less effective as can missing a day. I have to say though my ex was very very good about taking it and afaik she never missed a day in all of the three years or so she was on it.... Bottom line is if you're in a long-term thing I think The Pill is the way forward as long as it suits both parties and of course it's taken correctly.

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