Eircom to launch a special in October

flamegrill

Hi,

I heard from the grape vine that eircom will announce a new offering next month.

It will basically be the starter package with NO install fee and a FREE modem, all keenly priced for 39.99 euro per month INC VAT.

From my correspondance this is the magic figure (35 ex vat) that eircom are trying to achieve.

On a slightly similar note, the Enhanced package is rumoured to go 2mbit/s in the coming months to give value for money and a clearer difference from the starter package. The pricing I'm not sure about, but I suspect it may actually stay the same.

Good news for once, sort of

Paul

p.s. Eircom corperate sales are pushing for 20 euro/month for the wholesale price apparently!

Mr. Fancypants

Ohhhhhhh, thats a bit fancy. Will have to get my line checked again and hope i pass now.

Creamy Goodness

erm would this special just be for the month of october or will it last way on to the hills (fat chance)?

flamegrill

Originally posted by Cr3m0
erm would this special just be for the month of october or will it last way on to the hills (fat chance)?

That will remain to be seen, certainly the modem offer may be free but the monthly price will be here to stay.

Paul

seamus

Hmmmm.......

The Irish grape vine has been known to err on occasion

This would in fact be perfect for me, considering DSL as we speak. I was gonna avoid eircom, but even the most steadfast complainer has to bow to simple economics

Fingers crossed everyone.

Any more info you can give us to instill yet further confidence in this rumour flamey?

flamegrill

Originally posted by seamus
Any more info you can give us to instill yet further confidence in this rumour flamey?

The monthly price is a definate feature , the other finer details will come to light in the not so distant future. I had a nice conversation (for a change) with our corperate sales manager.

Paul

Dustaz

Originally posted by flamegrill
I had a nice conversation (for a change) with our corperate sales manager.

Its been my experience that Sales Managers will tell you that the sun is a delightful shade of green and that pork chops come with furry wings if they thought you might help them make their target for that month


Having said that, if this were true it would be stonkingly good news for broadband in ireland (particularly the wholesale price part)

parasite

wonder if this is related to the announcement 'gombin' said eircom would make this w/end ?

tuxy

i know this is a very pessimistic statment but i bet it has a 1 gb cap or something else that will make it useless

nahdoic

Very interesting. This is exactly what they need to do in order to meet their unofficial target of 100,000 customers next year.

It would be fabulous news for Ireland, with no install fee and just €40 a month, we're almost hitting that magic price threshold that most people interested in broadband would be prepared to pay.

The new wholesale rate would then be very interesting.

nahdoic

Or does this mean, eircom aren't going to reduce the wholesale rate. Rather they are just going to engage in an anti-competitive practise to sweep up the broadband market selling at below cost the exact same service.

Then moan and complain, and play the sympathy card as comreg tell them they aren't allowed to break the law.

vibe666

assuming nothing changes between now and then, from oct. it will be:

99e self install (199e for engineer).

same cap as starter (4gb)

no free modem, so 139 for the netopia (only one i would recommend ***).

something to chew on.

SkepticOne

Originally posted by tuxx
i know this is a very pessimistic statment but i bet it has a 1 gb cap or something else that will make it useless

They could try that. However, in order to release a retail product, Eircom must first provide a wholesale bitstream product for OLOs like Esat, UTV, Netsource etc. This bitstream product will not have a cap and so it will be up to competing providers to determine what the cap (if any) should be.

If Eircom want all the business to go to other providers then a 1 gig cap might be a good way to go about it.

SkepticOne

Originally posted by nahdoic
Or does this mean, eircom aren't going to reduce the wholesale rate. Rather they are just going to engage in an anti-competitive practise to sweep up the broadband market selling at below cost the exact same service.

Then moan and complain, and play the sympathy card as comreg tell them they aren't allowed to break the law.

What they did the last time was announce the retail price to great fanfair while the wholesale price was still being negotiated with ComReg. This would have served to put great pressure on ComReg to approve whatever wholesale price Eircom were proposing. It emerged subsequently that the proposed charge was 28 euros per port. This was subsequently reduced to 27 euros, still the highest in Europe for low-end wholesale bitstream.

shinzon

and the torture still goes on for poor old shin, whats the betting the fecking line will still fail with this new offering

dirty rotten bastards


shin

SkepticOne

Originally posted by shinzon
and the torture still goes on for poor old shin, whats the betting the fecking line will still fail with this new offering

It will fail.

Lets hope then that Chaz wasn't looking around for a new location for an IBB transmitter on this thread. He said he wasn't, of course, and I've no reason to disbelieve him.

gombín

On the ball parasite. Press release was originally due for this morning, but that has now been pushed back to Friday. There will also be adverts in the National press as of from Sunday.

Ex-VAT price is more that likely going to be €35 for monthly rental. As Paul says modem and connection is free, but they are also going to throw in the 1st month's rental for free. I'm lead to believe offer is to last until at least Xmas.

From what I'm told there were 4 packages submitted to ComReg, of which this was the only that got approval.

Regards.

Originally posted by parasite
wonder if this is related to the announcement 'gombin' said eircom would make this w/end ?

spongebob

Gombín is the man! Keep an eye on the Pending price changes over on the Eircom site for the nitty gritty. Iexpect a change to the wholesale price from €27 to €20-21 which means that all the others can reduce their price by the same amount this weekend (not the same percentage mind!) .

M

dahamsta

Originally posted by gombín
I'm lead to believe offer is to last until at least Xmas.

If this is true, it's permanant. Even Eircom's current muppet marketroids wouldn't be that stupid. And that's a statement and a half.

adam

talla

Just a quick question, as someone mentioned earlier in the thread, eircom will have to provide a wholsale rate and if they do wont the product have to be delayed like the introduction of the whole RADSL product so competitors will be able to make their own packages, so there would be no way for it to be introduced in October?

spongebob

I did predict something like this for the christmas market . Its heartening when Phils and Co. read ones Posts although I believe that it will have to be nearer €30 by May or June next year.

€39.99 is a good start, Eircom get more than half way there in the one hop . Do not expect any improvement in Caps or Contentions for this product.

M

flamegrill

Originally posted by Muck
Gombín is the man! Keep an eye on the Pending price changes over on the Eircom site for the nitty gritty. Iexpect a change to the wholesale price from €27 to €20-21 which means that all the others can reduce their price by the same amount this weekend (not the same percentage mind!) .

M

Muck,

I think the wholesale price is going to be a while yet, but lets wait and see

btw 20 euro is what it will be if it happens.

P

flamegrill

Originally posted by talla
Just a quick question, as someone mentioned earlier in the thread, eircom will have to provide a wholsale rate and if they do wont the product have to be delayed like the introduction of the whole RADSL product so competitors will be able to make their own packages, so there would be no way for it to be introduced in October?

Dare I say it?

According to my contact "eircom are going to take a hit on this one so as to stimulate the uptake of DSL sales".

That leads me to believe that there won't be a wholesale rate change yet. But again lets wait and see.

P

SkepticOne

Originally posted by flamegrill
I think the wholesale price is going to be a while yet, but lets wait and see

Do we have a choice?

Of course, that means that the retail price will also be delayed giving Eircom to opportunity to complain that ComReg is holding things up with its overbearing micromanagement.

spongebob

Originally posted by flamegrill
Dare I say it?
According to my contact "eircom are going to take a hit on this one so as to stimulate the uptake of DSL sales".
That leads me to believe that there won't be a wholesale rate change yet. But again lets wait and see.

'Eircom' will 'take a hit' .........g'wan ya good thing!

As the wholesale price is €27 they will swear hand on heart that all other costs are covered in €8 a month according to your €35 figure. This will not amount to predatory pricing and abuse of dominant position ?

IMO the wholesale and the retail prices must drop in tandem.

M

sceptre

Originally posted by flamegrill
According to my contact "eircom are going to take a hit on this one so as to stimulate the uptake of DSL sales".

What a shame that Eircom retail and wholesale are different companies (otherwise it would only look like they were taking a hit)

Oh yeah....


Still a reasonable step forward though. 100,000 connections now sounds like a reasonable possibility if they follow the Muck Plan and drop prices again in a few months.

bizmark

great new's all round if its true.......I really hope it is

keep up the good work Ireland offline your riseing awareness and it seems to be helping

talla

thinks its time to drag up that post from Martin from UTV a while back with his breakdown of costing for RADSL?

flamegrill

No matter what, this is clearly a step in the right direction.

I only hope it bears the fruits that I was promised heh.

I think the guy 1) just got laid or 2) was drunk after a liquid lunch as he never talks this much

P

Mr_Man

If this price drop takes place then it should indeed help to stimulate demand.

For Eircom to meet their 100,000 subscriber target however they will need to do a lot more, including selling the benenfits of bb (and a mouse in a sombrero doesn't do it), enable more exchanges, and provide decent backup and support.


M.

Fallschirmjager

of course -- if your exchange is not enabled, and according to recent info, wont be for 2 years...it might as well be free for all the good it will do some here......
but at least they are starting to listen :rolleyes: :mad:

machalla

Lets see.. I can continue to pay Netsource €66 a month for ping poor connection and poor treatment of customers and no cap (but in fact there is one, a hidden one of approx 10Gb I'd say). Oh and a 2 month rolling contract.

Or

I can pay Eircom €40 a month for a reasonably stable broadband connection(pings are solid), which has a small cap (4Gb), free modem (which I don't need but not to worry), and poor treatment of customers (unless they happen to be taking you off a competitior).
A 12 month contract on this one I presume?

Hmm much as I hate to say it Eircom is starting to look much more inviting now. Especially given recent experience of Netsource. A shame but what can you do.

Nasty bit of price undercutting though to stomp all over the competition. I can't see how the other companies will let them do this from a legal point of view. Surely if they don't provide it to all its a monopoly abusing its power?

bizmark

they will more than likely up the cap to 5 gig to match Iol and utv offering .......Same offer better service (and lets be honest they do offer a better service than most)and 11 euro cheaper no matter how much you hate eircom thats not bad

assumeing its right that is

machalla

If thats whats on offer I suspect I'll be sending my two months notice to Netsource unless they are willing to match whats on offer. They certainly aren't worth paying €26 more for what is effictively the same service. Mind you the first thing they could do is drop the requirement for a domain name (and charging the nutty rate of €12 a month for it). I registered a domain for years for €27 euro recently and I could do better if I shopped around more too.

I am getting a bit tired of being regarded as a cash cow of netsources rather than a valued customer.

I've already warned several people off their service due to recent happenings and the poor setup they have in place. Mind you a lot of their problems are due to Eircom being a bit more savvy than them when it comes to contracts.

Anyway sorry I didn't mean to turn this into another "Netfarce" thread.

Just rambling..

STaN

Originally posted by flamegrill
On a slightly similar note, the Enhanced package is rumoured to go 2mbit/s in the coming months

Hmmm, from what i know of Eircom's deployments, where there is DSL, its of the G.Lite variant, which has a maximum speed of 1.5Mb/512k.

echomadman

Hmmm, from what i know of Eircom's deployments, where there is DSL, its of the G.Lite variant, which has a maximum speed of 1.5Mb/512k.

Damn you stan, I 'd gotten my hopes up and all...

STaN

Originally posted by echomadman
Damn you stan, I 'd gotten my hopes up and all...

LOL even if it was a 2Mb connection it would be around 700 a month to discourage Leased line customers from changing

Ro

The Enhanced package doesn't use the same equipment as the RADSL home user one so they could upgrade to 2Mb DSL if they wanted to.

Paddy20

Re: €ircons new offerings!.

I am genuinely surprised and very disappointed at just how quickly people are ready to forgive & forget €ircons past abominable and imho unforgivable behaviour in deliberately ripping - off the gullible general public and very many of this forums members.

This punter for one. Will never go back too the €ircon RAT . Even if they offered me free 24/7 Internet access.

P.

STaN

Originally posted by Ro
The Enhanced package doesn't use the same equipment as the RADSL home user one so they could upgrade to 2Mb DSL if they wanted to.

Their enhanced service, which has been rolled out in their exchanges is of the G.Lite variant.

If you know otherwise, please provide details. Remember they rolled out ADSL before RADSL. and RADSL is inferior to ADSL.

flamegrill

Originally posted by STaN
Their enhanced service, which has been rolled out in their exchanges is of the G.Lite variant.

If you know otherwise, please provide details. Remember they rolled out ADSL before RADSL. and RADSL is inferior to ADSL.

Even if they do, as you can see from here [1] G.lite can do 4mbps download. So it doesn't matter. Also my router reports G.DMT on the radsl service, now why would they use an inferior version on the more expensive server?

[1] http://www.aware.com/products/dsl/glite.htm

Paul

esentziak

LOL even if it was a 2Mb connection it would be around 700 a month to discourage Leased line customers from changing

Can you explain what you mean by this? I have a Leased line with ESAT and am thinking of changing to Eircom Enhanced package.

No cap, faster than my lease line and cheaper.

Your comments have me a bit worried; did I miss something? Is there a reason why I should not change from a Leased line to Eircom Enhanced?

thanks for repky
Esentziak

Ro

http://www.eircom.ie/bveircom/pdf/adsl.pdf

Page 24:

ADSL Bitstream Service will comply with DMT ADSL in the Issue 2, Category II, ITU Technical Requirement G.992.1, and Testing under ETSI specification ETR328

spongebob

G.DMT has a capability of 8192k/640k and a range of up to 4.5 MILES , about 7.1km albeit not at the higest speeds.

The UK has now moved to provisioning at 6km

M

Xcom2

Originally posted by Paddy20
Re: €ircons new offerings!.

I am genuinely surprised and very disappointed at just how quickly people are ready to forgive & forget €ircons past abominable and imho unforgivable behaviour in deliberately ripping - off the gullible general public and very many of this forums members.

This punter for one. Will never go back too the €ircon RAT . Even if they offered me free 24/7 Internet access.

P.

I have to agree with Paddy on this one!

Mad Mike

I just had a visit from an Eircom Sales Rep - one of those people trying to get me to change back to Eircom. I am well used to these visits and I am small minded enough to enjoy bating the unfortunate sales reps. Unusually this chap was very up front and actually interesting to talk to.

I pointed out that Eircom were way too expensive for Internet and their recent flat rate internet package is not even at the races. Not being an Eircom hater like some others I did also say that I felt that Eircom had some good points - high level of competence, good service and reasonable pricing on local and national calls but their pricing on international and internet was crazy. He actually agreed with me and told me that as of tomorrow or the next day they will no longer be able to do "win you back" calls but that the sales force had just got word that Eircom was going to try and reposition itself as the cheapest dsl supplier on the market - in an almost Aer Lingus transition from high cost to low cost operator.

spongebob

Originally posted by Mad Mike
.. but that the sales force had just got word that Eircom was going to try and reposition itself as the cheapest dsl supplier on the market - in an almost Aer Lingus transition from high cost to low cost operator.

Whos used the Aer Lingus anaolgy , you or him .... as a matter of interest ?

M

vibe666

If you know otherwise, please provide details. Remember they rolled out ADSL before RADSL. and RADSL is inferior to ADSL.

hate to go p1ssing on the old camp fire there, but RADSL is actually significantly superior to ADSL in several ways, the only reason the product offered in the RADSL package isn't is because eircom chose to use the superior parts of the technology to offer an inferior product to its customers to make more money off them.

side by side with the same setup RADSL will beat ADSL hands down.

and who was mentioning a free modem? what kind? only thing is i know eircom have been pushing to make the netopia the only modem offered to home/soho users (because of it's reliability and ease of setup) and they aren't likely to be giving that away free just yet.

bk

Originally posted by esentziak
LOL even if it was a 2Mb connection it would be around 700 a month to discourage Leased line customers from changing

Can you explain what you mean by this? I have a Leased line with ESAT and am thinking of changing to Eircom Enhanced package.

No cap, faster than my lease line and cheaper.

Your comments have me a bit worried; did I miss something? Is there a reason why I should not change from a Leased line to Eircom Enhanced?

thanks for repky
Esentziak

No, you missed nothing, don't worry, just people being cynical about Eircom.

If you order something at a certain price on a 12 month contract they can't just increase the price on you later, so don't worry.

I'm sure you will save a lot on DSL instead of leased line.

Just in case you are not aware you may have other options:

1) Esat offer the best business DSL packages in Ireland, however unfortunately they are only available in a limited number of exchanges. Ring them and ask for a line test, however don't tell them that you are an existing leased line customer. You know they might tell you that you failed just to hold onto your leased line.

See here for details:
Esat DSL

2) If you are in Dublin city Irish Broadband and Leap offer excellent rates (even cheaper then DSL and better spec) on fixed wireless access leased line replacements, including service level agreements.

dahamsta

Originally posted by Mad Mike
the sales force had just got word that Eircom was going to try and reposition itself as the cheapest dsl supplier on the market - in an almost Aer Lingus transition from high cost to low cost operator.

Which would be great, but as has already been pointed out on this thread, Eircom can't be allowed to leverage their wholesale arm to enhance the retail section. Margin squeeze simply can't be allowed, if Eircom are going to bring the prices down the levels suggested in this thread, the wholesale price has to come down. Substantially.

ComReg and of course IrelandOffline should be preparing already for the PR war that will result out of this. Eircom mustn't be allowed play ComReg and the ISP's off against the consumers. Press releases should be written and ready to go. If it happens again, heads must roll.

adam

Dustaz

Any news on this?

I know press releases are usually lunchtime territory but im bored