the institute of education is a hole

Boston · 07-09-2003 5:37pm #1

the institute of education is a hole. Unless your willing to work yo uwill go no where there. What made you pick that dive of a place. Four and a half grand promises you nothing.

Bono_85 · 07-09-2003 6:57pm

Hey the institute is no hole, I loved it there last year, I'm goin into 6th this year and the teachers and overall attitude of everyone there is excellent,I'm lookin forward to this year

Boston · 07-09-2003 7:00pm

I'm sorry but it is, sorry.

Bono_85 · 07-09-2003 7:01pm

Well thats your opinion but fair enough, i found most ppl there were there cos they wanted to be and they enjoyed it

Boston · 07-09-2003 7:04pm

Its all exam exam exam, and no atmoshpere, everyone on edge. All about the top and the eleet.

Sev · 07-09-2003 7:17pm

Originally posted by Boston
All about the top and the eleet.

Yeah, get used to it.

Boston · 07-09-2003 7:23pm

How about you get used to it mate. To me school is not about getting the best student, the best result, its about getting the weakest student the best result he or she can get. To many weaker students in the IOE are just passed over.Every year we would have at least 3 or 4 repeat students from the IOE in our school, people who failed because teachers never took the time to actually teach the course just hand out notes and collect up home work. Why do you think it takes them only a year to go through the course. Just don't like seeing students who struggled through a leaving cert, looking at the IOE for hope. I got an A1 in physics from the institue, other weaker students failed the course. If you got 505 points and the course you want is 555 points then by all means repeat in the IOE, they will show you how to get the A1, feic all use if your struggling to pass the subject. I look at the IOE publish results example 169 student went to XY and z colleges, and that impresses people, any school with over fifthy students going to trinity is impressive, but i say to mayself, in any given year theres at least a thousand students from the IOE sitting the leaving cert (repeats included) what happened to the rest of them? There where 110 people sitting the leaving in my school, 5 failed, thats less then 5% and they where people who never turned up, compare that to 10% of students failed nation wide.

Bono_85 · 07-09-2003 7:29pm

But if you've never been there how do you know what its like??,The teachers are the best and go through the course as slow as possible in 5th year,and if 3 or 4 ppl are repeating in your school out of 1,000 then it seems like they didnt put enough effort in, if they did they wouldnt of failed, its not all up to the teachers,the student is the one who has to do the learning and the exam

Boston · 07-09-2003 7:34pm

Originally posted by Bono_85
But if you've never been there how do you know what its like??,The teachers are the best and go through the course as slow as possible in 5th year,and if 3 or 4 ppl are repeating in your school out of 1,000 then it seems like they didnt put enough effort in, if they did they wouldnt of failed, its not all up to the teachers,the student is the one who has to do the learning and the exam

actually i have been there, spent far to feicing long there. For the top 10% teacher doesn't really come into it. Any decent teacher should be able to get that students his or her result. But for the lower end, you better believe the teacher plays a big part. Several lads in my year would have failed the leaving cert where it not for teachers taaking that tiem for individual attention and help.

seamus · 07-09-2003 7:51pm

Eh, yeah. Boston go see a counselour or something. You've obviously got issues with the insitute of education.

People who go there know what to expect. No-one goes there for hands-on support or superb student-teacher relationships. They go there to work.

Now if you can't respond to CUlt's original request, then don't respond at all. Thanks.

Boston · 07-09-2003 7:57pm

Originally posted by seamus
Eh, yeah. Boston go see a counselour or something. You've obviously got issues with the insitute of education.

People who go there know what to expect. No-one goes there for hands-on support or superb student-teacher relationships. They go there to work.

Now if you can't respond to CUlt's original request, then don't respond at all. Thanks.

Sorry but i'm voicing an opinion about cults choice of school, that not allowed? A but your right IOE is brilliant sure everyone that goes their does great and its all very good. I've no issue with the place, just telling it likek i see it. Abite of like reality.

seamus · 07-09-2003 8:04pm

Now. That's better.

You can vent your spleen all you want, but you know damn well when you should be taking it to a new thread.

Boston · 07-09-2003 8:07pm

Originally posted by PHB
you get a lot of wasters in the institute who are only going there because they got expelled from other schools.

kinda supports my whole, the institute is a hole arguement, doesn't it.

07-09-2003 8:17pm

Its what you make of it...If you want to work and learn the stuff off then you will get a decent leaving cert. But for someone like me who just went through the motions, never studied etc - I would have failed in the IOE...badly. I did go there for grinds every saturday in third year, because I reckoned it would magically make me pass honours maths - E

I tried doing a quick revision course there also this year in honours irish - dropped down...The essays they gave me in history were good though, even though I only learned 5 of em the night before the test.

Just don't expect your grades to rise magically because you're attending a "good school".

PHB · 08-09-2003 12:02am

kinda supports my whole, the institute is a hole arguement, doesn't it.

No not in the slighest.
You seem to think that people who need special attention won't get it in the Institute, and thats not true. I know people who have asked their teachers for help and gotten it. Its just what they make out of it, they arent going to shove it down you're throats. They treat you like an adult and in turn you should act like one, if you dont then you should go to a different school.

Boston · 08-09-2003 8:32am

bull its all about da money, as your own posted showed clearly. They will take anybody with the 4.5 grand. Even no hopers.

GoneShootin · 08-09-2003 9:15am

Originally posted by Boston
its about getting the weakest student the best result he or she can get. To many weaker students in the IOE are just passed over.Every year we would have at least 3 or 4 repeat students from the IOE in our school, people who failed because teachers never took the time to actually teach the course just hand out notes and collect up home work.

Originally posted by Boston
They will take anybody with the 4.5 grand. Even no hopers.

Consistency in a world gone Boston

tribble · 08-09-2003 9:35am

He's just throwing a tantrum as he watchs his IOE peers surge ahead in education - leaving him with nothing more than a mouthful of dust and a poor leaving cert.

I'll have fries with that.

tribble

ella minnow pea · 08-09-2003 11:30am

jebus 4 and a half grand!!!

the dept of education should make people who go to grinds schools pay fees instead of upping the college fees imo..

PHB · 08-09-2003 2:13pm

So are you angry that its expensive or that it doesnt look after weaker students, which i've shown it does.

They will take in anyone, it is about the money, but that doesnt change the fact that the teachers actually care how their students do.

Sangre · 08-09-2003 2:16pm

....Well on the bright side, it is mixed....

/me mutters angrily

I'm just angry all the time...

PHB · 08-09-2003 2:18pm

No need to worry, college is mixed!
Infact trinity have a 60% girls to 40% guys!

Sangre · 08-09-2003 2:51pm

Rub it in my UCD face why dont you!

I would assume there would a majority of girls in most places, what with them sleeping with the cao and all.

Woden · 08-09-2003 2:58pm

(insert flame here, well don't mind if i do)

ah at the end of the day it is only the stupid people that need to go to IOE in the first place cause they can't get the marks they need in a 'normal' school.

In all seriousness the institute can't have all the best teachers, as my science teacher was clearly the best on the planet

DeVore · 08-09-2003 3:10pm

Is there still a teacher there called John Brown (short guy, kinda mad, brilliant at Maths...) ?

DeV.

PHB · 08-09-2003 3:34pm

Yeah, hes still teaching away.
Best teacher ever ***.
LETS GO GO GO

richindub2 · 08-09-2003 4:21pm

Originally posted by ella minnow pea
jebus 4 and a half grand!!!

the dept of education should make people who go to grinds schools pay fees instead of upping the college fees imo..

gerards costs somewhere around 8k/year and michaels, rock, etc all cost around 4k. Its not too much considering its one of few mixed schools in dublin with a high standard of teaching :P

boston unless you went there as a day student i dont really think youre in a place to throw assumptions around the place. Half the people who teach grinds at weekends there dont teach during the week, not to mention the different caliber of attendees. Ive been there for a year and no complaints yet, well worth the money.

Sangre · 08-09-2003 5:05pm

Think michaels and rock are around the 3 grand mark, i think.
Andrew's is very expensive aswell although it is mixed.

The institutue is a very good school for those who got 400+ I would say, it is designed to help you get the most of your previous years work. Although it is a complete waste of time if you're not going to study or whatever. Those who slag the institute are usually those who didn't work.

at the end of the day it is only the stupid people that need to go to IOE in the first place cause they can't get the marks they need in a 'normal' school.

OMG FLAME TROLLL MUPPET GAG BAN FLAME!!!

ella minnow pea · 08-09-2003 5:05pm

see me being a culchie didnt know that

does this prove the auld Dubs Are More Intellectually Challenged Than the Rest Of Us theory?

Kold · 08-09-2003 7:02pm

Bruce is costing me 5,100

fizzy · 08-09-2003 7:17pm

it is scandalous what the institute charge but no more scandalous than what many private schools charge - they may charge a fair bit less but you can get nothing for your money, at least the institute are great at what they do.

i think people's experiences there depend on whether they want to go and whether they work. also your perspective is different if you are just there for grinds, 6th year or both 5th and 6th year.

i was lucky enough to go there for the 2 years (major bank loan!) and i can honestly say that there was nothing impersonal about it - you got a lot more individual attention right down to the friendly faces in reception. and from what i could see, if you were struggling, the teachers were only too happy to try and help you.

the place ain't perfect but it's far from a hole!

claire h · 08-09-2003 8:41pm

Originally posted by Boston
Unless your willing to work yo uwill go no where there.

Erm... if you're not willing to work, you're going nowhere no matter what school you're at. Yeah, having good teachers helps, but at the end of the day you need to put in the work. I've never been to the IOE, so I can't judge, but it seems to me that what it provides is an environment that makes putting in the work a little bit easier.

CuLT · 09-09-2003 12:30am

I think it's slightly more than 4.5 actually, might be wrong.

Also, I've heard only good things from my friends about the place, did a grind there during the year aswell, and was sufficiently impressed.

And yes, you don't deserve to go to college if you're not going to work for it.

btw I did an interview before they let me into the place, so I sincerely doubt they let just anyone in, after all, they can afford to.

Boston · 09-09-2003 8:33am

Originally posted by tribble
He's just throwing a tantrum as he watchs his IOE peers surge ahead in education - leaving him with nothing more than a mouthful of dust and a poor leaving cert.

I'll have fries with that.

tribble

well i got 520 point in the leaving and my first choice, so your talking bull

richindub2: all the teachers that thought me there, thought the day school as well. ANd many people on a saturday went there in the day school (i knew afew, ****). Nothing wrong with the caliber of teacher, in fact the way they though was pretty decent, and i personally can't complain about this. Just the whole time i'm there i'm thinkign to myself, theres no way a weaker students keeping up with this stuff.

richindub2 · 09-09-2003 10:13am

If youre so weak as to have issue keeping up with the teachers simplified grinds then maybe you should consider getting one on one grinds? Its unlikely youll find any other grinds classes going much slower than the IOE.

Boston · 09-09-2003 5:17pm

Am i the only one who thought the whole atmosphere there was completely depressing? afew other lads i know said the exact same thing.

PHB · 09-09-2003 7:45pm

Did you not say you had Pat Doyle?
His classes are very lively.

CuLT · 09-09-2003 8:11pm

The atmosphere would be depressing if things flew over your head.

The saddest thing is when you allow it to remain that way.

Boston · 09-09-2003 8:17pm

Originally posted by PHB
Did you not say you had Pat Doyle?
His classes are very lively.

classes where go, just those 15 minute break with everyone sittign there in silence, and the the way the walls weren't plastered, just painted. God it was such a soul destroying, gut wrentching, spirit punishing hell hole. Yeachers where pretty good though. It just felt really manufactured and thelike battery famering students. All about the exam and nothing about actually teaching, which is fair enough if thats what you pay for. Maybe my problem is that it was so different to my school where i knew everyone and they knew me, from the first years right up. And i could have abite of craic with the teachers slagging that that stuff.

CuLT · 09-09-2003 8:26pm

afaik, the institute is supposed to be more like college than secondary school, if you try to slag your lecturers for the craic I doubt they'd take it as fun.

They'd probably think you're being a bit childish. After all, everyone else is paying an awful ****ing lot of money to go there,
I don't particularily feel like wasting nearly 5 grand of my parents hard earned cash to FECK AROUND.

CuLT · 09-09-2003 8:32pm

Originally posted by Dataisgod

ah at the end of the day it is only the stupid people that need to go to IOE in the first place cause they can't get the marks they need in a 'normal' school.

I resent that comment. You're being a bit arrogant.

I'm stupid because I didn't get it the first time round? I think what's really tragic is the person who doesn't believe enough in themselves to try again.
I'm better than that. And because I know I'm better than that I will succeed.

Boston · 09-09-2003 8:32pm

Originally posted by CuLT
afaik, the institute is supposed to be more like college than secondary school, if you try to slag your lecturers for the craic I doubt they'd take it as fun.

They'd probably think you're being a bit childish. After all, everyone else is paying an awful ****ing lot of money to go there,
I don't particularily feel like wasting nearly 5 grand of my parents hard earned cash to FECK AROUND.

without sound like i'm flaming you, your parents wouldn't be spending that five grand if you had done the Biz the first time around, so you are all ready wasting it. what i'm talking about here is abite of comfortabliity. Almost has to be a better atmosphere in the day school but still.

CuLT · 09-09-2003 8:35pm

You're probably right Boston, if I had gone all out the first time round I would have done it. But I didn't. I didn't have my priorities right.
If I believed that I couldn't do it properly if I set my mind to it for another year, what could I realistically expect from myself in anything I chose to do?

Boston · 09-09-2003 8:46pm

i didn.t post on boards for about 6 months durign the leaving, and then i'd go weeks without posting again. Are you prepared to give up TV, Girl, Drinking, Gaming, and the internet to do it. Untill the answer to those question are yes, then you shouldn't be considering repeating. I did, but i had 75 more points in the end then i needed, hell of allot better then 5 short. I said **** it i don't want to be here next year learning the same old crap off again and gave it my all. I was in a feicing remedial class in primary school, and ended up with the best result in leaving for my secondary school, so i'm a great believer in will power. If you think you have what it takes to do it, then by all means the IOE is the best place for pointing you in the right direction.

CuLT · 09-09-2003 9:09pm

Your point is absolutely taken, I know what I have to give up, as much as I don't like the idea of it I'm fully prepared to do it.

I consider it a very worthy investment in my future, It'll be tough for a year, all my friends going ahead, doing it all over again, believe me, I've thought long and hard about it.
But in the end, it's only a year, not even a year, 9 months. And I can deal with 9 months out of the rest of a life which I could regret choosing if I don't try it once more.

Boston · 09-09-2003 9:12pm

sounds like you know what your goiing to have to do, fair play. what subjects are you doing over there. I strongly suggest applied amths, if your anyway maths orientated. Allot of people regret not goign back and gettign the leavign cert they wanted.

CuLT · 09-09-2003 9:18pm

I'm planning on English, Math, Biology, Chemistry, Economics, Geography and Classics.

The last three are new subjects, classics is the only one i'm not really sure about. I wish I was mathsy but I'm not

.

Sangre · 09-09-2003 9:20pm

What are you talking about Boston?

I gave up none of those things during 6th year.

I drank/socialised/played games/play computer.
Although I did give up tv, but that wasn't a conscious decision, it was in lieu of computers. I just hate tv now.

I did give up the gym after xmas though, i went in the mornings at it was too tiring, I was in school too long.

Sangre · 09-09-2003 9:26pm

I think PHB would avoid against Classics...

Perhaps Physics? Very little maths except formula learning, and just learning besides that.

It gets the sangre seal of approval!

CuLT · 09-09-2003 9:40pm

Actually, PHB is the one who suggested classics

, I did physics last year.
Probably the most incredibly boring subject I have ever encountered ( And I did Tech for 2 weeks in 5th year). Literally couldn't stay awake while reading the book.

Bono_85 · 09-09-2003 10:35pm

Emm I just wanna say that the majority of ppl who go to the institute aren't actually repeating the L.C, so it isnt some special repeat school. I and a hell of a lot of others are doing it for the first time and have just chosen to do it there.

the institute of education is a hole

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