White Racialist Uprising in Ireland

Dagon

As we all know, especially those living in cities, Ireland is slowly becoming more and more of a multi-cultural state and is certainly going in a similar direction to other large European capitals such as London and Paris.

But there is always going to be a response to this, and "the fighting irish" are reacting quite strongly indeed. Most will claim that the rate of immigration is quite high for a country of this size, and it will have a detrimental effect on jobs, housing, crime, drug use and Irish culture and distinctiveness.

More proof of the "Irish White Resistance" is evident in the following report by Stormfront:

"For the first time in these surveys a forum has grown even faster than Stormfront Britain. Both Stormfront France (297%) and Stormfront Ireland (217%) grew even faster than Stormfront Britain (212%)! Well done to all three forums.

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So what does this say about us; the Irish? And what does it say about our attitude to multi-culturalism?

We have to examine ourselves and also, how this will affect our country and people in the long run and how we feel about that. This cannot be simply shoved under the carpet when there is an obvious message coming to us of a storm brewing underneath the potential "melting pot" cities like dublin are becoming.

People should not be afraid to object to high numbers of immigrants, and the effect of this on our country and culture. At the same time, I believe hatred and intolerance will get us nowhere. And certainly, it may only serve to cause suffering and sadness for other human beings.

I personally don't believe either the extreme anti-racists or the extreme-racists have it right.. but what is your take on it all?

DeVore

These would be the same "great folks" who are (apparently) going to give me a kicking for expressing my view that their family coat of arms ties at the back?

I welcome the influx of people from all cultures. They water down the indigenous idiots.

I fuckin' hate nazis.

DeV.

Lukin Black

I swear, this place can be a real eye-opener. Had no idea this kind of crap had such a large following, and worse still they have an Irish chapter.

Dagon

But surely the fact that it is there is a message in and of itself?

dahamsta

Originally posted by DeVore
I fuckin' hate nazis.

This is part of the problem, isn't it? They breed hate, which is exactly what the people behind it want. The racists are so stupid they don't understand that their financial and educational backers are just trying to foment hatred -- any hatred.

I'm not trying to suggest that we should all love each other and hug and kiss and make up - I dislike those people as much as the nazis - but hating them kinda defeats the purpose imho. I pity them. They're so inbred and stupid they don't know any better.

It's the leash holders we should be tracking down and killing, no questions asked.

adam

DeVore

Oh try kids.stormfront.org for something REALLY scary.

Or have a read of the article I'm apparently going to get a "kicking" for writing.
http://www.boards.ie/blog/devore/archives/000025.html

DeV.

Lukin Black

kids.stormfront.org seems to be down, but can still be called up in Google's cache.

So you can still see the "If You're Happy and You Know It, Bomb Iraq" song.

Edit: damn smily

GuanYin

I think whats worse than the racist and biggoted people, are the people who stand idley by and accept it.

Racists and their ilk are ignorant and bitter and are only dangerous because they have mob mentality behind them. I have never encountered one alone who would threathen me in any way, always in numbers.

But people who know that people they associate with are racists and disagree but say nothing are far worse. They are sending a message that society will accept this.

My ex works with one such person, who I knew before she did. It took me a while to figure what his problem with me was, but it soon became apparent by peoples awkward reactions when I asked.

As chance would have it he ended up working with my ex and she was talking about him (he has 1800's views towards how he treats his gf too) and she said he was basically an all right guy. When I asked her if she realised he was an outright bigot and a racist, she said yes and I asked how she felt about it, she said she tried not to think about it.

Its this attitude that makes it acceptable. If more people took a moral stand for their beliefs maybe the idiots would realise noone wants their attitude.

Typedef

Stormfront Russia.

That's pretty comical, what with the whole 20 million Russians killed by the Nazis in the Second World War.

What sort of Russian would look up to the guys, who tried to exterminate their progenitors and their progenitors progenitors?

Saps, me thinks.

Ronan|Raven

I think a lot of these so called "racists" need to take a good long look at themselves. They clearly have some bone to pick with somebody well namely the jews and the blacks and the people of other religions. They are not worth the air they breath imho. I live in a rural part of Ireland and have numerous arguments with these " great people and shoulders of the local community" about their views.

Funny bit is when you ask them why do they hate these people etc so much and why they feel the need to act against them like they do they are usually unable to give a coherent answer other than " they are black ****s stealing our jobs, taking our money , living off my taxes" funniest bit was when hearing this from a person who has been fraudently claiming dole for 10 years whilst working on the side and pulling every other scam in the book They seem to be laregely ignorant people from what I can see, not that im any brainbox but I consider myself fortunate to have a respect of other races and religions, hell being half Irish/German it would be highly ironic of me to give out about other nations and people.

sceptre

Originally posted by DeVore
expressing my view that their family coat of arms ties at the back?

ROFL:D

I'm going to guess that the growth in the Irish post figures probably means that that David Noone idiot is posting a lot more.

Dun

Originally posted by DeVore
my view that their family coat of arms ties at the back?

I think that it's time I change my signature..

Originally posted by sceptre
that David Noone idiot is posting a lot more.

..and oh er, that's my surname too.

I would like to refute any possible connections between me and the "association" in question

mike65

I only ever seem to visit the headbangers over at Stormfront when somewon here mentions them....but they never dissapoint.

Really, 2 X 4 beaters every time...:rolleyes:

Mike.

AngelofFire

This is shocking i never new there was much real hatred of ethnic minorities in ireland. i thought most of the anti refugee sentiments came from ignorance and fear. But it seems that there are people out there who Really hate coloured ppl and other ethnic groups.

What shocks me the most is that some of these neo facists are intelligent. they r not daily mirror reading knuckleheads like most casual racists. These people actually think hard about reasons to hate other ethnic groups i recall a member of the BNP in england saying that and i qoute "Aids is a friendly disease cos it wipes out Fag0ts and n1ggers". Thats desgusting.

The worst thing is that these hardline nazis manipulate the casual mirror reading type racists and convert them to their cause.

mike65

Originally posted by AngelofFire


What shocks me the most is that some of these neo facists are intelligent. they r not daily mirror reading knuckleheads like most casual racists.

Ah but most are knuckleheads...and in truth the vast majority
of the public have much more pressing things to attend to thier everyday lives.

Ask a sample of public opion whats the most pressing issue of our time and 98% wont say immigration/bloody foreigners and related matters.

Of course the other 2% have to be watched but that daft
Aine Ni Chonaill woman proved its not really a go-er when she stood in the last general election in what one might percieve a
well chosen Dublin inner city constituency. She still got eliminated very early in the counts.

ps its not often I agree with SF on anything but I it can happen-
http://216.239.51.104/search?q=cache:R4qEGM31lx0J:www.irlnet.com/aprn/archive/1998/August20/20sean.html+Aine+Ni+Chonaill+anti&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

Mike.

BuffyBot

Originally posted by Typedef
Saps, me thinks.

Pretty much says it all.

Oh dear, I'm agreeing with something Typey said...that can't be good

Dagon

Again and again people are just avoiding the issue though.

Nobody is thinking about this - including politicians - and that is a big part of the problem. We aren't going beyond this blind knee jerk anti-racist reactionism.

BuffyBot

Originally posted by Dagon
Again and again people are just avoiding the issue though.

Nobody is thinking about this - including politicians - and that is a big part of the problem. We aren't going beyond this blind knee jerk anti-racist reactionism.

Not really, the issue to me seems to be a few nutcase knuckledraggers have found a forum on the internet where they can whine about how terrible it all is and plan and plot, and that this forum has got busier of late.

This doesn't translate into any massive political movement, or change in attitudes of the general folks on the streets.

dahamsta

Originally posted by BuffyBot
This doesn't translate into any massive political movement, or change in attitudes of the general folks on the streets.

What about the BNP wins in the UK?

BuffyBot

Originally posted by dahamsta
What about the BNP wins in the UK?

In fairness it's a slightly different culture, and some different circumstances which has given them the small successes that they have had.

Look at Oldham for example, there is nowhere in Ireland that is even close to that level of tension and strife. Plus, much as I loathe to say it, BNP and Stormfront are slightly different in their respective agendas

BuffyBot

Oooh, and expect some visitors folks

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=84850

DadaKopf

Originally posted by Lukin Black
I swear, this place can be a real eye-opener. Had no idea this kind of crap had such a large following, and worse still they have an Irish chapter.

It's not that big. If you go look at how many of those people are actually regular posters, you'll find the number is actually very small. They organise 'anti-revisionist' "SAVE CIVILISATION!" meetings but hardly anyone goes. Most people who attend those things or sign up to the Stormfront boards are against all this kind of piffle.

If you want to get an idea of how utterly stupid these people are over at Stormfront Ireland, take a look at a recent discussion here, which was on thumped.com

bloggs

Originally posted by dahamsta
What about the BNP wins in the UK?

People need political parties who cater for their opinions. The far left have the socialist parties and the far right have the likes of the bnp. As there isn't a far right party in ireland, i guess it's just a matter of time before there is one in Ireland.

shanemac

I grew up in Ireland, but moved to Australia in the late 80's.

I was quite amazed at the numbers of ethnic minorities that I found in Ireland when I visited a couple of years ago. They seem to be in every town and village in the country.

Now, a lot of you will say that this is great and it brings diversity, and you can have great restaurants and expand your horizons, learn from your new Irish citizens....etc, etc.

But take it from me, in the long term, multiculturalism does not work.

I have lived in a multicultural city for the last 15 years (Sydney). This city has become a racially divided, collection of ethnic ghettos where nobody trusts each other, nobody has any kind of national belonging, and there is no sense of caring for society as a whole, or of genuine national pride.

Instead there is backbiting, racial tension, division and crime.

The driving down of wages is real...living standards are now far lower here than they were 30 years ago. When you import millions of foreign workers who are used to working for $5 a week, and give them a job where you pay them $300 a week, they are unlikely to complain (even if that is half the wage normally payable to the natives of their new country).

As well as this, house prices have been pushed up beyond any kind of limit in this city. The average house price in my area is around AU $800,000, totally beyond the means of most people my age. That's because we've got 140,000 new immigrants taken from the highest socio-economic strata of Asia coming into this country every single year (90% of whom settle in only three cities).

30 years ago, Australia was just like Ireland is now, then the government of the day dismantled the white Australia Policy here, and made "multiculturalism" a national objective (without ever asking the people if they wanted it by the way).

Now, Australia is a permanently transformed country. It will never again be what it once was (highest standard of living in the world in the 60's).

I was dismayed at the attitudes of the Irish people I spoke to on this issue. They are so naive. They cannot imagine any negative effects of multiculturalism. Those who do are instantly silenced as "racists" or "nazis".

This naivity is what destroyed the old Australia 30 years ago.

Ireland still only has 6% ethnic population. It's not too late to contain the damage already done. But the actions you take in the next 10 years will determine the future of our nation forever.

Choose wisely.

Meh

Originally posted by shanemac
But take it from me, in the long term, multiculturalism does not work.

"Multiculturalism doesn't work" is a self-fulfilling prophecy. If you ignore multiculturalism, treat minorities like second-class citizens, allow the police to harass and deport them unfairly, don't allow them better themselves with education or employment, then surprise there is going to be racial tension in your country.

The driving down of wages is real...living standards are now far lower here than they were 30 years ago.

Really? That's not what the Australian government says. (Scroll down to the "Real after tax average earnings" graph)

Ireland still only has 6% ethnic population.

Actually, Ireland, like every other country in the world, has 100% ethnic population. Are you using "ethnic" as a code-word for "non-white"?

It's not too late to contain the damage already done. But the actions you take in the next 10 years will determine the future of our nation forever.

So what actions should we take?

Sarky

Just after reading the thread from thumped. Fantastic. These Irish SF people would scare me, but they seem incapable of deciding on their own view, let alone backing up their claims.

IrishPride

"Multiculturalism doesn't work" is a self-fulfilling prophecy. If you ignore multiculturalism, treat minorities like second-class citizens, allow the police to harass and deport them unfairly, don't allow them better themselves with education or employment, then surprise there is going to be racial tension in your country."

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Allow police to harass and deport them unfairly? GIVE ME A BREAK! They're turning Ireland into a cesspool!
Dont allow them better themselves with education or employment?

HA!

You want to see Ireland look like Brazil, Haiti or Porugal? A few poorest countries in the world?


"Really? That's not what the Australian government says. (Scroll down to the "Real after tax average earnings" graph)"

Really?

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/mexico/20030824-9999_1n24immig.html

http://www.msnbc.com/news/954522.asp?0dm=B23CN

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/virgin/134913_virgin14.html

http://www.usatoday.com/money/workplace/2003-08-05-outsourcing_x.htm


"Actually, Ireland, like every other country in the world, has 100% ethnic population. Are you using "ethnic" as a code-word for "non-white"? So what actions should we take?"

Ireland is 6% non-Irish, and turning into a filthy ghetto. Do you like limerick having its name known as "stab city?" The action we need to take is have Ireland become nationalist, gaelic and united!

Boston

its **** liek this that pervents genuine discussion about the problems of immigration in ireland. it goes from one extreme to another, if you dare voice concern that the house beside you now has 20 romanians living in it, your told to be ashamed of yourself and called a racist. I agree with shanemac, this is the way ireland will go, but only if me choose to ignor the problems. like we did with drugs. for years we pretended there was no drug problem, while slowly it got worse, can we make the same mistake again. Its not smart to dump hundreads of foreign workers in the mmiddle of nowhere in the irish countryside in same rural communities and not excpet a black lash. I don't blame the immergrants, many are decent people who deserve the right to live here, i blame bad management that sees that all immigrants case with the same lies which results in racial tension.

Boston

Originally posted by IrishPride
"Multiculturalism doesn't work" is a self-fulfilling prophecy. If you ignore multiculturalism, treat minorities like second-class citizens, allow the police to harass and deport them unfairly, don't allow them better themselves with education or employment, then surprise there is going to be racial tension in your country."

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Allow police to harass and deport them unfairly? GIVE ME A BREAK! They're turning Ireland into a cesspool!
Dont allow them better themselves with education or employment?

HA!

You want to see Ireland look like Brazil, Haiti or Porugal? A few poorest countries in the world?


"Really? That's not what the Australian government says. (Scroll down to the "Real after tax average earnings" graph)"

Really?

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/mexico/20030824-9999_1n24immig.html

http://www.msnbc.com/news/954522.asp?0dm=B23CN

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/virgin/134913_virgin14.html

http://www.usatoday.com/money/workplace/2003-08-05-outsourcing_x.htm


"Actually, Ireland, like every other country in the world, has 100% ethnic population. Are you using "ethnic" as a code-word for "non-white"? So what actions should we take?"

Ireland is 6% non-Irish, and turning into a filthy ghetto. Do you like limerick having its name known as "stab city?" The action we need to take is have Ireland become nationalist, gaelic and united!

sorry but ireland is a ****ing cess pool, and it cause of the irish not foreigners. I know dublin, and i know the people who make it the **** hole it is. Stab city was allways that way.

The only thing i agree with you on is that is is "our" county so keep your nose out.

Meh

Originally posted by IrishPride
Allow police to harass and deport them unfairly? GIVE ME A BREAK! They're turning Ireland into a cesspool!

Please explain how African doctors, Filipino nurses, and Chinese, US and Malaysian students are turning this country into a "cesspool".

You want to see Ireland look like Brazil, Haiti or Porugal? A few poorest countries in the world?

No, but then again I don't want it to look like Nazi Germany either. And Portugal isn't one of the poorest countries in the world, btw. It's not even the poorest country in the EU (source)

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/..._1n24immig.html
http://www.msnbc.com/news/954522.asp?0dm=B23CN
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/virgi...3_virgin14.html
http://www.usatoday.com/money/workp...tsourcing_x.htm

What do those articles have to do with Australia?

Do you like limerick having its name known as "stab city?"

Immigration has nothing to do with the crime problems in Limerick. The two feuding families are 100% native-born Irish.

Sarky

Ireland is 6% non-Irish, and turning into a filthy ghetto. Do you like limerick having its name known as "stab city?" The action we need to take is have Ireland become nationalist, gaelic and united!

It's a bit of a shame that the stabbings in stab city are mostly done by white, nationalist, Irish people. Do you see the flaw in your argument?

mneylon

Originally posted by Sarky
It's a bit of a shame that the stabbings in stab city are mostly done by white, nationalist, Irish people. Do you see the flaw in your argument?

I doubt it.
I have lived in a number of large cities throughout Europe. There is no reason why multi-culturalism cannot work - except perhaps due to ignorance both on the part of individuals and of governments.

Giblet

It's funny you know, I read through alot of the posts at Stormfront and I read the arguments they present.

There seems to be a higher concentration of "statisticians" there than anywhere in the world.

Everything is based on numbers which have come from many ambigious sources.

They base there "facts" on books written by biased authors, mixed in with the general propaganda spouted by it's senior members, with a dash of what daddy told them.

From what I see they have don't seem to have there own solid opinions, rather, they relay the opinions of others, and try pass them off as fact.

Check out this thumped thread
http://www.thumped.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=6757&highlight=stormfront

Look at the posts of the member ragnarok, who is also a member of stormfront.

Notice how that during the thread he changes his stance on a number of things, chooses to ignore important questions, and abuses members who try to contradict him.

I also notice a very "american" tone to his posts. Which suggests to me that he
has spent to long listening to other people on the stormfront website (mainly American-Irish members, which is ironic really) and relaying their views.

It's seems to a be a running theme with all these WN who visit other sites and try to disparage everyone elses views with witty comments such as "ha" and "haha"

After this has taken place, they will either resort to spamming nonsensical jibberish with a few numbers thrown in or else return to the mother forums and rejoice in their victory over us stupid lefty reds.

Boston

Originally posted by blacknight
I doubt it.

why, its ture, most of the mess in that city is due to the irish, and plan stupidity of the limerick gardi

super_furry

I thought this story was hilarious and it seems to have started over at the Stormfront ****house.

bonkey

I think he meant that he doubted the flaw in the argument would be seen by the original poster, rather than that he doubted the flaw existed.

jc

sceptre

Originally posted by IrishPride
Do you like limerick having its name known as "stab city?"

I live in Limerick city centre and I couldn't give a monkeys. Like Meh says, the two families causing most of the trouble around Limerick are totally Irish who don't particularly like anyone threatening their drugs trade.

Meh

Originally posted by Giblet
There seems to be a higher concentration of "statisticians" there than anywhere in the world.

Everything is based on numbers which have come from many ambigious sources.

A fine example of that is the "6% ethnic" (sic) statistic being thrown about above. When you actually look at the results of the 2002 census, you see a very different picture:

Of the remaining 5.8 per cent of the population, for whom a non-Irish nationality was indicated, almost half (2.7%) were UK nationals. Other EU nationals and the nationals of other European countries were the next most numerous categories followed by Asian, African and US nationals.

These people are willing to distort the truth in any way they can. You cannot trust anything they say.

After this has taken place, they will either resort to spamming nonsensical jibberish with a few numbers thrown in or else return to the mother forums and rejoice in their victory over us stupid lefty reds.

Yeah, that's their all-purpose insult. The funny part is, I'm not a leftist.

Boston

why am i reminder of cartman in all this.

and US nationals.

i god damn knew it, those filthly americans, coming here, stealin our weman. Noo wonder i haven't had a date since 1892. yanky go home.






Btw not ment to be taking seriously by those decent american on boards.

mneylon

Originally posted by bonkey
I think he meant that he doubted the flaw in the argument would be seen by the original poster, rather than that he doubted the flaw existed.

jc

Exactly.

Giblet

Stormfront Forum T&C

By clicking the Agree button, you warrant that you will not post any messages that are obscene, vulgar, sexually-orientated, hateful, threatening, or otherwise violative of any laws.

Hmm half of them are present in alot of SF posts.

Does no-one read these things anymore

Sarky

Just had a look at their site review on Alexa. The only comments praising the site seem to come from the people heavily involved in it.

Gordon

Originally posted by shanemac
I grew up in Ireland, but moved to Australia in the late 80's.

So are you Irish or Australian?

Either way you have been an 'ethnic minority' yourself at one time.

Stephen

Saw this on one of the threads involving stormfront idiots on Thumped.com, and it made me laugh. I think it fits well here.

Giblet

Someone should make that into a gathering card

dahamsta

I just noticed that Stormfront is hosted by RackShack. I'll be taking my servers out of there at the first available opportunity. I don't want to live in a trailer park.

adam

DeVore

Lets throw some more fuel on this fire shall we?

What if you are 100% Irish but are gay... I mean Hitler didnt much like gay people... I wonder how Stormfront people feel about there being equality for Gay people in Ireland (Irish gay people, obviously....)

DeV.

Stephen

"Ooh, doublewide!"

Giblet

Actually, I can't believe this slipped my mind. Have any of you ever read hitlers books, guess who else he took a dislike to.

Lukin Black

Don't know if it's the one you mean Giblet, but didn't he hate Catholics too..?

Mick L

Having just read this thread and (unfortunately) some of the posts on the stormfront website, I feel sick. I know there's idiots in the world and I hope beyond hope that sensible people vastly outnumber them.

Who gives anyone the right to say that another person can or cannot live somewhere or not. Are they so small and narrow minded that they feel a need to tell people that because you were born on this bit of land that you can't live on THIS bit of land!!! It's not your world!!! It's all just a big rock in space!!!!

Separating people and countries is just going back in time, DEvolving, not Evolving. If there is a problem with people moving around the world (such as immigration) then address the problem like adults and don't take the easy option like a child and ignore it by saying 'No no you can't live here, you don't belong'

As for people supporting Nazi's or nazi groups!!!! That's ......AAAAARARRRRRAGGGHHHHHHHH....how stupid are you people!!! I won't even get into that now.

ONE point they made that was valid was that we accuse them of being hate groups (correctly i might add) and then say that we hate them, thus being hypocritical. Well I don't hate you idiots, but I do hate overwhelming stupidity, shortsightedness and childishness.