where can i buy a wolf hybrid????

bang555

does anybody know any wolf breeders in ireland ive been trying for a long time with little joy!

francie brady

I know of two wolf crosses in Galway.

But why would you want one.

bang555

do you have any phone numbers????

francie brady

Yeah i have lots of numbers.
But not giving ya any.

You have no idea what sort of work goes into keeping them. They are wild and agressive. I wouldn't reconmend anyone keeping them. They are not a dosmicated pet.

bang555

i think i know if could keep a wolf , why dont you just give me a number??

francie brady

You give me your sisters number and i'll give ya my mates.

koneko

Lads, no bickering.

Francie is right when he says keeping wolf hybrid's is a lot of work. I wouldn't recommend it.

If you want to give him the number, PM it to him. If you don't... don't. But I'll have no bickering on the ickle Pets board, mmkay?

francie brady

He started it!!!!!!!!

lizziebe59

Its so sad when people refer to wolves as nasty, viscious beasts, they certainly are not, if anything they are better in temperment than a dog.
I have a pet timber wolf, her name is Tayha (meaning prescious), and she is a gentle, loving and clever animal. I got her from Gory in Ireland.
Wolves are very timid, but they do not attack people or other animals, she lives quite happily with my family, 2 dogs, 3 cats and a rabbit.
She has recently had 6 puppies and she all but dragged me into her pen to be with her while she had them.
She loves to be spoilt by sharing the sofa, having her tummy rubbed, and has been easier to train than any of the dogs.
There are more attacks on people and other animals from dogs in one week than there has been by wolves in 50 years.
As long as you understand the needs of a wolf which is mainly companionship, amongst others, then there would be no problem keeping one as a pet.

Gilgamesh

lizziebe59 wrote:

There are more attacks on people and other animals from dogs in one week than there has been by wolves in 50 years.

Hmm. I wonder why this is?

MAYBE BECAUSE THERE A WAY MORE DOGS THAN WOLVES IN THIS COUNTRY??? :mad:

seriously, I do agree that Wolves can be very gentle, but they are still naturally programed killers, as any other animal it it only takes one instance for their instincts to kick in and cause harn to something otr someone.

Tigers can be good pets too, but I still wouldn't recommend people keeping one at home.

Dyr

the "where can i get a wolf" thread is the pets forum equivalent of a frag granade

wolves= wild animals, leave them that way. Get yourself a malamute or husky, if you could handle a wolf they should be a easy peesy :rolleyes:

tallus

Tigers dont domesticate after one generation, Canines do .... I think there's a slight difference, and the fact is that ALL species of canine come from the same Genus. So there is an implied message : Dogs can be tamed, and even wild ones are fully domesticated after one generation. Even the most domesticated dogs have retained a lot of their wild behavoural patterns, but that doesn't make them attack people. dammit I'm trailing off here... muwahahaha laters

Arcadian

Lizzie, i think your being very foolish and somewhat blinkered in your view that wolves make excellent no hassle pets. Yours is but one animal.

secret_squirrel

Arcadian wrote:

Lizzie, i think your being very foolish and somewhat blinkered in your view that wolves make excellent no hassle pets. Yours is but one animal.

Lizzie is posting from experience - is anyone else here?

Headshot

arent timber wolves in danger in the wild?

doctor evil

secret_squirrel wrote:

Lizzie is posting from experience - is anyone else here?

Lizzie is posting from tht experience of one animal.

secret_squirrel

doctor evil wrote:

Lizzie is posting from tht experience of one animal.

And everyone else with the exception of Francie is more than likely posting with experience of none

Most of the posts (with the exception of Francie's) seem to be knee jerk 'wolves are evil' posts with absolutely nothing to back up their opinions.

Now granted the OP gives the impression of not being suitable to own a goldfish - but still it seems that most of the posters are as ignorant as the OP.

Arcadian

http://users.tinyonline.co.uk/wolf.help/wolves_as_pets.htm

http://www.geocities.com/lobogrande99/Hybrids.html?20052

Rev Hellfire

I think no one here is suggesting that wolves are evil I would suspect that most people are concerned about the reasons the opening poster would have for wanting a wolf in the first place.

I would suspect that the poster is either
a) A troll and is having a hoot at the animal lubers on the pet forum.
b) Or an immature individual looking for a 'kewl' pet, “Dermo that elk hound you have is mighty fine, but I've a wolf! Sit Fang sit.”

tirl

lizziebe59 wrote:

Its so sad when people refer to wolves as nasty, viscious beasts, they certainly are not, if anything they are better in temperment than a dog.
I have a pet timber wolf, her name is Tayha (meaning prescious), and she is a gentle, loving and clever animal. I got her from Gory in Ireland.
Wolves are very timid, but they do not attack people or other animals, she lives quite happily with my family, 2 dogs, 3 cats and a rabbit.
She has recently had 6 puppies and she all but dragged me into her pen to be with her while she had them.
She loves to be spoilt by sharing the sofa, having her tummy rubbed, and has been easier to train than any of the dogs.
There are more attacks on people and other animals from dogs in one week than there has been by wolves in 50 years.
As long as you understand the needs of a wolf which is mainly companionship, amongst others, then there would be no problem keeping one as a pet.

Who fathered the pups Lizzie?

Aimee_gleeson

I can't believe what ye people are saying;
We got a bitch wolf hybrid about 7years ago and she turned out to be in pup and had 9 a few days later!
We kept 2 of the litter and sold the rest and gave the mammy away! To this day we still have a bitch of the litter because sadly the other passed away last year. And i can tell ye from experience they are the most gentle loving and obedient "dog" as people to refer to we ever had! We have 2 king charles, 2 yorkies and a newf (who shares a kennel with the bitch) and they are getting happily along!!

Also wolves have NEVER killed anyone or attacked anyone from what has been reported yet they are being called dangerous etc yet sharks attack almost EVERY day!

If your going to bother reply to something do research before you decide to bad mouth these wolves!

Its people like ye that dont care wether they are nearly extinct or not, ignorance!

magpie

There are more attacks on people and other animals from dogs in one week than there has been by wolves in 50 years.

Possibly related to wolves being extinct in Ireland since the 18th Century.

Aimee_gleeson

magpie wrote:

Possibly related to wolves being extinct in Ireland since the 18th Century.

Not Ireland but other places!

koneko

Aimee,
Freaking out isn't going to help. Educate instead of lecture. I don't think many people are saying they're dangerous, just that they're more work. And as someone else pointed out, the original poster might not have any idea about dogkeeping and is just interested in "oooh wolf!"-novelty factor. There are a lot of "standard" dog breeds that people shouldn't recommend to a novice, or someone that doesn't know anything about dogkeeping or training.

Anyway, this thread is super old, I don't know WHY anyone dragged it up.
Also, aimee, your sig breaks many of the sig rules :eek:

kestrel

Aimee_gleeson wrote:

Also wolves have NEVER killed anyone or attacked anyone from what has been reported yet they are being called dangerous etc yet sharks attack almost EVERY day!

If your going to bother reply to something do research before you decide to bad mouth these wolves!

:mad: please do YOUR research before you decide to badmouth sharks! they do not attack very often, and it is mostly a case of mistaken identity! if you are so concerned about saving species, then stop spreading suppositions and baseless ideas about sharks.

on the wolf issue: just like several breeds of dog, wolves have instincts in the aggressive direction. i once tried to buy a dobermann, but the breeder refused to let me because i had only ever had one dog before. he felt i was nowhere near experianced enough, and although i felt ready and was completely book-smart, in heinsight, he did the right thing. i now have a cocker spaniel, and have definatly slotted myself into the very relaxed owner category.

i firmly believe that it is the dogs upbringing that will decide wether or not the dog is aggressive or hostile in anyway. if the owner is experianced and knows how to train the dog so that it is obediant and knows it's place at the bottom of the pack, then they can raise the wolf or any other dog to be a happy, friendly and placid animal. the first three months of a dogs life are the most crucial, as it is at this stage the dog will have it's basic personality moulded for the rest of it's life.

if buying a wolf, it is essential it comes from a good background and that you socialise it well before it is 12weeks old. then you should have the foundations for the ideal pet. think in terms of pack arrangement; wolves are social, intelligent animals that will respond to the rest of the pack. just make sure he knows he belongs at the bottom.

Dyr

Aimee_gleeson wrote:

Also wolves have NEVER killed anyone or attacked anyone from what has been reported yet they are being called dangerous etc yet sharks attack almost EVERY day!

the only thing weirder than people who claim wolves are viscious evil creatures are people who claim that wolves have never killed or attacked anyone, its very rare but it happens. Wild wolf/dog hybrids dont help the matter either i bet.

doctor evil

secret_squirrel wrote:

And everyone else with the exception of Francie is more than likely posting with experience of none

one animal of a species/hybrid does not represent the whole aptitude of that species. There is good along with the bad. TBH I would prefer to see wolves in the wild, not kept as pets.

peasant

First of all, I seriously doubt that any of the so called wolves and wolf-hybrids in Ireland *REALLY* are what it supposedly says on the tin. Wolves (and their hybrids) are internationally protected and there are very strict guidelines controlling their removal from the environment, breeding, keeping, exporting etc, pp.
Most wolf hybrids are actually culled, to protect the pure wolf population's gene pool, as they are an endangered species almost everywhere in the world.

Secondly, wolves / hybrids do not make good pets. Their wild instincts make them very shy and timid and at the same time very aggressive when cornered or towards other dogs. Also their hunting and roaming instinct is very dominant, which means they must be incarcarated at all times, leading to depression. General expert opinion is that wolves/ hybrids are almost untrainable, more so as they pass puberty and become independent.

Personal experience with wolves; none, for the above reasons

MicraBoy

I was in Wexford this weekend. As you head north, past Gorey, there is a house with a great big sign outside it saying "Wolf pups for Sale" :eek:

Irish-Lass

If its the same place as I am thinking, they are not wolfs but Hybirds and some of those puppies have had serious defects because of inbreeding, :mad:

kestrel

that would be one of my main concerns- wolves are not common, therefore the genepool is really limited. besides, i dont think very many people could cope with the unique temprement of a wolf, not to mention their stamina! when i bring my dog for a walk, she comes home and collapses into a contented sleep, worn out. i wouldn't imagine many people could do that with a wolf!

eamanevers1

hiya,

Irish-lass - i was there today(wolf pups for sale near Gorey, they had quite a few of 'em) where did u hear that they were hybrids/inbreeding?

Regards,
John

Danes

As far as I know, these aren't even hybrids, they're husky crosses. I know someone who bought two, a male and female. The female had to be PTS due to aggression and the male has such severe epilepsy, he suffered brain damage. Both stunning looking dogs but poorly bred and certainly not wolves.

EGAR

There is a sucker born every minute! Lots of peeps make money by selling wolf hybrids which turn out to be Husky crosses etc pp. The actual HYBRID is very rare and requires a wildlife licence .

And if you are thinking about getting one then read on...


Meet Chieftain:



Chief arrived here with his parents, the dad a Timberwolf and the mom a Canadian Shepherd. Some sick individuel tried to make money with them. Ahh, one thinks, why ever not? If you cross a wolf with a dog you don't get a better dog, you get a creature that does not know where it belongs to. Chieftain is extremely vocal, he howls at night (well, hello neighbour!!), he just likes to chat. He also cannot bear a roof over his head, it freaks him out, so good bye indoor wolfie AND he has big problems with other dogs... Hm, still interested? Well, read on: one needs a wildlife licence to keep such an animal, if you don't and are being found out, you face fines/jail and have your animal impounded.

Chieftain has a sister as well, she was raised in loving enviroment of peeps who have massive dog experience - and guess what? She was on her way to me as well as living with a Hybrid isn't all that easy...

Why on Earth anyone would want a hybrid is beyond my understanding unless it's for one reason only: LOOK what I've got on the lead.

And that just makes me .

Irish-Lass

eamanevers1 wrote:

hiya,
i was there today(wolf pups for sale near Gorey, they had quite a few of 'em) where did u hear that they were hybrids/inbreeding?
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I like a few others have stopped off at that place, I haven't been in it for a few years but we stopped when we seen the "wolf cubs" up for sale sign. There was a g/s cross bitch with her pups and was no more wolf in them then there is in my terriers.

I did get to met a wolf in Ireland once and was quiet taken back his eyes strick me also got to meet 2 hybird (they were crossed with gsd) and they were something to see, but then again they will never be homed and will have to spend their life in a secure place which is the wrong thing for them. There are a few wolfs in Ireland some arrived over after in England a licence was introduced if you wanted to keep a wolf and there is a couple I know that have some (they are in rescue and will stay that way, they will never be rehomed and never be breed from).

Why someone wants a hybird is hard to imagine - either you want the whole package or not.

Roxie81

well said irish lass, i think i know you and you know me.

tinkerbell

My uncle used to have a golden coloured wolf. He was really gentle, got on great with their old english sheepdog, and their kids were young at the time.

Irish-Lass

Roxie81 wrote:

well said irish lass, i think i know you and you know me.

I think you do in deed Roxie......the poundies sure do love you .

Give those 2 mad mutts of yours an ear scratch from me :rolleyes:

iguana

Another consideration against getting a wolf/hybrid, is that you certainly can't get pet insurance for them. God help your bank balance if they get sick or injured.

Nala

Aimee_gleeson wrote:

wolves have NEVER killed anyone or attacked anyone from what has been reported yet they are being called dangerous etc yet sharks attack almost EVERY day!

No?

http://www.google.ie/search?hl=en&q=wolf+attack&meta=

Aimee_gleeson wrote:

If your going to bother reply to something do research before you decide to bad mouth these wolves!!

Hypocrite, no?

Aimee_gleeson wrote:

Its people like ye that dont care wether they are nearly extinct or not, ignorance!

And how do you think breeding wolf hybrids will maintain the wolf as a species?

Jules

love to see old posts getting dragged up from time to time...

Certain animals in this world where not ment to be domesticated and the wolf is one of them hybrid or no. Very right stated here a lot of "wolf hybrids" are husky crosses etc. I have seen so many people coming in with wolf crosses only to tell them they are not and finding out they have paid through the nose for them. And if we are not careful with our dogs, PB, crosses, hybrids whatever we will have plenty more dog attacks. people need to be more responsible!

iguana

jules80 wrote:

Certain animals in this world where not ment to be domesticated and the wolf is one of them hybrid or no.

Except that, to be pedantic, all dogs originated from domesticated wolves. So whether it was meant to happen or not, it has. And for the most part has worked out pretty well.

Not that I think anyone should be doing that anymore, wolves were domesticated already, so if you want a domesticated wolf, get a dog.

Jules

ok if you want to be pedantic....

Dogs were domesticated from wolves as recently as 15,000 years ago, or perhaps as early as 100,000 years ago based upon recent genetic, fossil and DNA evidence. Other research suggests that dogs have only been domesticated for a much shorter amount of time and were domesticated from populations of wild dogs, which had previously diverged from wolves.

New evidence suggests that dogs were first domesticated in East Asia, possibly China, and the first peoples to enter North America took dogs with them from Asia. Genetic research has identified 14 ancient dog breeds, with the oldest being the Chow Chow, Shar Pei, Akita Inu, Shiba Inu and Basenji. Because many of the 14 breeds are associated with China and Japan, the theory that the dog originated in Asia seems to be likely.

What ever way you look at it some animals are not ment to be pets!

iguana

jules80 wrote:

What ever way you look at it some animals are not ment to be pets!

Indeed. Like Cats.:D

Jules

You can take that up with the egyptians!!!

Demonique

Why would you want a wolf hybrid?

I read in a newspaper article that wolf hybrids are more aggressive than full wolves because they lack the natural fear that wolves have of humans and they inherit aggression from the dog side of the mix.

deaddonkey

a german shepherd is a wolf hybrid with the wolf being bred into it about 100 years ago to create the breed.
this is seen in the original german shepherd studbook

so there goes that 15000 years ago theory.

deaddonkey

Demonique wrote:

Why would you want a wolf hybrid?

I read in a newspaper article that wolf hybrids are more aggressive than full wolves because they lack the natural fear that wolves have of humans and they inherit aggression from the dog side of the mix.

it was in a newspaper. I see, it must be true.

judging breeds sucks, i hate this game.

macshadow

deaddonkey wrote:

a german shepherd is a wolf hybrid with the wolf being bred into it about 100 years ago to create the breed.
this is seen in the original german shepherd studbook

so there goes that 15000 years ago theory.

100 years ago, do you have any proof of this? Do you a copy of original studbook?
I would pay to see it!

JB1

A wolf hybrid inherats the hunting instinct and pack behaviour of their ancestors.They will allways try and climb up in the pack-your family.A wolf hybrid is-per definition not a pet.It will try to fight his or her way up in the pack order.Also,wolfhybrids a very known for having health issues, and the way the are bred in ireland is completly immoral,most of them are inbred with mother,fathers brother and sister combination.You are in for a lot of trouble and you are not doing the animal a favour, nor yourself.

If you really want a wolf like dog, take a saarloos wolfdog.They are carefully bred and have the right papers.You will have to apply for one and there are waiting lists.But at least you will have a dog you can handle.
http://www.saarlooswolfhonden.nl/

the site is in dutch, but more than happy to help translating.If you contact these people, they do speak english.
cheers

deaddonkey

macshadow wrote:

100 years ago, do you have any proof of this? Do you a copy of original studbook?
I would pay to see it!

there's plenty of research published on the net about the history of the german shepherd breed
a quick google search found this. people deny it at all the time, but it is true: wolves were used in the creation of the german shepherd breed.

one of the shepherds used in early breeding of the GSD was the granddaughter of a wold

the proof is here

http://www.idir.net/~wolf2dog/gsd1.htm

there's lots more references to it on the net
i'm trying to find a scanning of the original studbook.

http://www.asuperiorgsd.com/wolf-dog.html