Baddest motherf*cker in a fantasy/sci fi book

lordgoat

I'm kind of split between two:

Johnny Dread from the otherland books,

or trusty axe-wielder

Druss from Gemmil.

Snaga

Strangely enough Id go with Druss

Wook

DRuss for sure...

Manach

For fantasy, it has to be Gandalf the Grey,
For SciFi, it would be Darth Vader.
But overall, so long as he is prepared, Batman.

Wook

never seen a bad fathermucker with 'spandex'

Raz

How about al-Lan Mandragoran form WOT. I always thought he was one of Robert Jordans better creations.
If you emphasise the BAD then I'd say Gregor Clegane (The Mountain that Rides) from A Song Of Ice And Fire was a nasty piece of work.
Also Butler in the Artemis Fowl series was always really cool.
I think I'm forgeting most of my bad mother****ers though.

Puck

Really want to say Mace Windu.
"Hand me my lightsaber, it's the one with 'Bad Mother ****er' written on it."*

Gandalf is pretty baaadaasss but not in a bad way if you know what I mean.





*Not an actual quote.

ixoy

Gregor Clegane is a good one for sheer evil muthaf*cka.

Also, I wanna say Raistlin from the Dragonlance books. I mean the guy attempted to become a god - that's pretty bad ass!!

From Erickson's Malazan series, I'd also throw in a few characters, principally Anomander Rake. He had a flying fortress and could level cities if he chose. And then there's even badder asses than him in the story, including one character who decimated his own empire, and millions of people in it. Now that's bad to the bone.

DapperGent

Gregor Clegane was a beast alright. Cracking character.

The bit where he kills the viper fella with a punch is savage

I liked Cheradinine Zakalwe

Elethiomel

from Iain M. Banks' Use of Weapons as well.

The Druid Alannon in the Shannara books is pretty damn badass as well. I'd plumb for Druss as well if Gemmell's books didn't reek so much of shite.

Overall I reckon Tomas/Ashen Shugar from Magician et al is the most stupendous bad ass in all of SF/Fantasy but still no where near as bad ass as Bobby Shaftoe.

Funky

Commander Vimes from the Discworld books!!!

Terminator

Originally posted by Raz

If you emphasise the BAD then I'd say Gregor Clegane (The Mountain that Rides) from A Song Of Ice And Fire was a nasty piece of work.

Totally agree.

Burke from Aliens is also one of my favourite sinister/evil characters.

Shinji

Oh come on - it has to be Joe Dredd!


Actually, I'd probably have to pick Takeshi Kovacs from Richard Morgan's books (Altered Carbon and Broken Angels) - possibly just fresh in my mind since I read them recently, but he's hard as nails and refreshingly human at the same time.

secret_squirrel

kovacs is a badass alright

always thought Jon Shannon & Waylander were much badder than druss personally.

And in a more subtle way hows about Ashraf from John courtney Grimwood's Arabesque books? How bad does a talking fox inside yer head make ya?

secret_squirrel

oo sorry to double post at my first attempt but forget the rest

Angus Thermopyle from the Gap Series - surely the baddest antihero ever???

Ping Chow Chi

the shirke from the hyperion books !!!

:ninja:

MarVeL

How about Raven from Snow Crash? He was hardwired to a nuke and that line about cutting off the bottom of a styrofoam coffe cup still gets to me

Wook

Originally posted by Terminator
Totally agree.

Burke from Aliens is also one of my favourite sinister/evil characters.

Burke wasnt evil, at all....

Nevyn

Gotrex the slayer,or Deathstalker.

Terminator

Originally posted by Wook
Burke wasnt evil, at all....

Hicks: This doesn't make any god-damn sense.
Ripley: He figured he could get an alien back through quarantine, if one of us was impregnated, or whatever you call it, then frozen for the trip home. Nobody would know about the embryos we were carrying; me and Newt.
Hicks: Wait a minute now. We don't know.
Ripley: Yes! The only way he could do it, was to sabotage certain freezers on the way home. Then he could jettison the bodies and make up any story he liked.
Hudson: ****. He's dead.
[Points muzzle of pulse-rifle to Burke's face again and looks him in the eye] Hudson: You're dog meat pal!

ixoy

Burke was evil, sure, but cowardly evil. I mean I've seen 'Aliens' about a billion times (thereabouts) and I never thought of him as a "bad motherf*cker". Just a dick. Hell Ripley is more of a bad-ass than he was. You certainly don't want to mess with her in Alien 3...

I think I'm going to go still with Gregor....

Thanx 4 The Fish

Nobody mentioned Waylander then... I would be split between him and Druss...

Few others worthy of mention though, Haplo in the Dethgate cycle was a proper cnut.

Raphael

Garet Jax from wishsong of shannara, without a doubt

Terminator

Originally posted by ixoy
Burke was evil, sure, but cowardly evil. I mean I've seen 'Aliens' about a billion times (thereabouts) and I never thought of him as a "bad motherf*cker". Just a dick. Hell Ripley is more of a bad-ass than he was. You certainly don't want to mess with her in Alien 3...

I think I'm going to go still with Gregor....

Yes you're right. He's no mother****er but I like my evil characters to hold their cards close to their chest until they absolutely have to reveal their true selves.

Like that guy in the matrix who betrays them all.

jongore

Drizzt Do'Urden from the Dark Elf Trilolgy (Dragonlance)
A Dark Elf wielding two swords who's best friend is a black panter.

echomadman

Angus Thermopyle from the Gap Series - surely the baddest antihero ever???

You beat me too it, Before being welded He was bad, afterwards he was unstoppable, pisses on all other wannabe Bad-asses

Raphael

Originally posted by jongore
Drizzt Do'Urden from the Dark Elf Trilolgy (Dragonlance)
A Dark Elf wielding two swords who's best friend is a black panter.

He made guest appearence's in the baldurs gate games.

He was a seriously good dark elven ranger, with mithril chain mail and two swords, even though you couldn't dual wield in bg1

He rocked

Sarky

Paedur the bard from Tales of the bard trilogy was one badass character. The emotioinless eyes, the cloak that looked like it was made of shadows, the big f*ck-off sickle hook on his left arm... Man, he was intimidating!

Raphael

Hang on a minute, paedur the bard was in michael scotts windlord, earthlord and firelord

Do ALL Fantasy/sci-fi authors steal characters from each other?

Sarky

No, Windlord etc are by the same guy, they were kinda prequels to the Tales of the bard thing, or tales of the bard for kids.:)

It's a bit like windlord etc but much darker and FAR more graphic- you'll lose count of the amount of throats Paedur tears out

Raphael

Really! Hmmm, i shud keep an eye out for dem, scott is brilliant.

What are they called?

(ps id guess that windlord etc are sequels as the world was ending when firelord finished, and i think the isle was gonna sink in waterlord)

The Beer Baron

In films: ED209 or Predator.
Either one'd take the Terminator to pieces.

In books? I'd have to go with Raven in Snowcrash.
How do you stop a biker with the Bomb espeically when he's built like the incredible hulk?
I'm sure Molly Millions in the Gibson books would be up to the task tho.

RockViper

Originally posted by The Beer Baron
In films: ED209 or Predator.
Either one'd take the Terminator to pieces.

ED209? the robot thingy from Robocop? He couldn't even get down the stairs ffs!


Ghost from "Night Mask's" is a pretty bad-ass character. He kills so indiscriminantly and is just so damn evil.

avatar

Decado the swordsman for fantasy, and the xenomorph for sci-fi.

Trojan

Harkonnen was pretty damn evil...

Gemmell writes some good characters alright (pity about the plots), Decado was a bad mofo.

The thief Vimes was after in the last book was a nasty fscker too.

Stark

Originally posted by Ping Chow Chi
the shirke from the hyperion books !!!

:ninja:

Yes definitely.

fragile

Have to second the Druss vote

Dakeyras

Originally posted by fragile
Have to second the Druss vote

gotta third that one actually, don't think there's anyone that could take that man on and win. i don't think there's another Gemmell character that would take him either, not even waylander

BraveSirAndrew

Why has no one mentioned Sauron, or his da', Morgoth? Two badass motherf*ckers. Shamoan!

ykt0di9url7bc3

Zaphod Beeblebrox...Walking out of The Total Perspective Vortex with a smile

The Gunslinger from Westworld (yes there is a book), did this come before the Terminator?

secret_squirrel

Originally posted by SearrarD
The Gunslinger from Westworld (yes there is a book), did this come before the Terminator?

The film was wayyy b4 terminator.....He was well 'ard in the film Im assuming (since I think the film was an Early Michael Critchton) that the book was too..or am I thinking of the Amdromeda strain??

I think ya gotta be more than just a killin machine to be a bad mofo...need some subtlety ..or sneakyness.... so in my mind that places both Jon Shannon/Jerusalem man and Waylander above Druss ...and Angus Thermopyle over them both

I personally liked Uncle Enzo in Snowcrash for that reason

MarVeL

I don't have the book to hand but wasn't the reason for that that the Total Perspective Votex then in a universe that had been specifically created with Zaphod in mind? IIRC in "reality" it would have destroyed his mind totally (although it would take a fair while to overcome his ego)

ykt0di9url7bc3

Yeah Zaphod was in a recreational universe....but as far as the rest of the galaxy is concerened he walked ina and walked right out....

valen

If personality counts, the Shrike on Hyperion gets it for me. A 3 meter tall cyborg that can stop time, hates humans, and has a cool spikey tree that regenerates humans.

Yes, he picks people up, and impales them on the tree, so they can live indefinity writing in agony on it. He's so evil & nasty & famous, that people come and worship him as a god!

But, it's a poxy robot, innit ?

For human personality, Gulliver Foyle from Tiger Tiger, gets it for me.

http://www.scifi.com/sfw/issue222/classic.html

John

Stark

The shrike was

a kind of organic machine, but it was a joint effort between the machine god and the human god to go back in time and find the new "messiah". Aw fatherly love. The whole tree thing was to attract this messiah. Haven't read the endymion books yet, but i'm sure you find out more about this in those books

bikini widow

Ender from Enders Game (Orson Scott Card)
- A bad ass, though not in the usual sense.

also

Elric of Melnibone (Michael Moorcock)
- Now he was one bad ass cursed albino

girldef

Have to say Otherland - Tad Williams is bloody brilliant !
Second book is a bit boring but absolutely love the other 3.
The agent gear(Beezle bug) is sooo impressive! And Dread is definately the baddest (best!) character!