Irish language

:D mags :D

Irish rocks.

Spenguin

IRISH SUCKS!!!


I like monkeys

Liquorice

Irish does not suck, the curriculum does.

Spenguin

Irish is too complicated. Irish sucks.

Raphael

Irish rocks if u have a teacher whos halfway decent, and likes de subject.
Except for tapework, grannys pretending to be teenagers is just WRONG!!

:D mags :D

Irish rocks.

lordsippa

Spam spam spam spammity spam spam spam spammity... you get the idea.

<troll> :ninja:

Liquorice

I'll say what I've said before-some people like Irish, some don't. I find the language quite beautiful(perhaps my school(an all-Irish one)has been feeding me pro-Irish propaganda. Meh.), but others don't. Plus, don't say you don't like the language just because the curriculum is so damn awful. I propose a review of the curriculum. That would be of more worth than that giant ugly needle in the middle of O'Connell Street.

Raphael

Good point.

I say we elect scarlett the next minister for education

Barry Aldwell

I say we elect me Minister for Defence (Which I will rename to Minister for War)

Liquorice

Next mod, next Minister for Education-Sweet Jesus I'm popular. *has fit due to not being used to being popular*

Crash

/me waves....


still here!

Liquorice

I know, I know, I said next mod. We all still love you, Neil. *returns to plans for CTYI forum domination*

nosmo

OVERSIZED FONTS suck.

Raphael

Just trying to make a point nosmo, oversize fonts are a good way of putting emphasis on something

nosmo

No worries, there's just been a bit of overUSE

Liquorice

This is a thread about the Irish language dammit! Stop wandering off topic! Sorry, I'm taking this 'next mod' (probably won't happen, just a joke, it would be ironic if it did actually happen) thing too far. But seriously, if you want to talk about fonts, start a thread about it.

Spenguin

Irish eh? Hmm... my irish teacher tripped up some guy in the middle of the corridor and everyone laughed. She gets mad at us for smiling. I hate irish.

:D mags :D

I hate the way you get really really bad Irish teachers who make their students hate the language. I like my Irish teacher, I think she's really influenced the way I feel about it.
I've never been to Irish college, and I'm not fluent, but I can hold a conversation in Irish and I love speaking it. I think it's great to have something no other country has.
I agree with Scarlett though, the curriculum needs to be reviewed and something needs to be done about peoples attitudes towards it.
At CTYI this year me and my friends would sometimes just start speaking Irish for no reason at all (or because there was Americans there ) and we'd have a big conversation completely in Irish.
Once again I must say: Irish rocks.



That is all.

Liquorice

I tend to start speaking Irish without knowing it. That's probably because I'm either speaking or writing it for the majority of my waking hours for nine months of the year. Sometimes I might slip a French sentence in by accident when I'm speaking, but that's only happened twice or thrice.

mentalimplosion

i was not a big fan or irish, because i'm no good at languages and as aine said, the curriculum is awful, but then i went to irsh college this year, right before CTYI and as nearly anyone who knew me in CTYi will know, it had a lasting impression on me. I'm sure my RA group, who had to put up with the endless songs, can tell you all about my love for that little (actually it's fairly big) colaiste out past Spiddel in Galway. i probably shouldn't mention the name of it cuz, well, stuff has happened, but if ever you're too old for CTYI, go to the Gaelteacht with a bunch of your friends (there was twenty of us Muckers, it was great chraic)and enjoy the three weeks you have there. It's nearly but not quite as good as CTYI, providing you pick a good language orientated colaiste. Enjoy!

Cork

I hate the way you get really really bad Irish teachers who make their students hate the language.

I hated the language at school and after school because of bad teachers. But - I am just beginning to like the language again.

I am going to do a conversation course this September.

lordsippa

Remember when Adam used to edit all non standard font posts... well within reason (a small usage tolerated for emphasis)... those were the days... <sigh>

As far as Irish goes, I found the most irritating bits of the course being the poetry and stories, simply because for the most part they sucked. Then again, they were probably about as tough as my standard could manage to keep up with...

Spenguin

I don't hate irish because of my teacher. My teacher is cool. If a bit mean. I hate irish because the spelling of the words change depending on where they are in the sentence all the time. And it annoys me because its so pointless, we don't need to know it. You people only like it because you can have a conversation without people knowing what you're saying. I know this mean guy, and he was in hospital, and there was this egyptian guy in the bed beside him. He was bored so he decided to insult the guy in Irish just for the fun. It turned out that the egyptian guy spoke irish. And Irish college sucks. I went there this year, it doesn't even compare with CTYI. It is so bad. All the people in my room were mean sluts, except for my friend who I came with, and they were mean to me. Two of them said they were afraid of me. The no good drunks.

oq4v3ht0u76kf2

Irish as a core, mandatory subject... sucks. Irish as an optional subject... does not suck.

People, children, teenagers; they do not like to be forced to learn or do something that they feel will be of no advantage to them. When thousands of students are forced to learn Irish every single day then they eventually get fed up when they see NO real life situation where a knowledge of Irish might be useful, dare I say, necessary.* As much as they might not like it, people do see maths and English as having a point and a purpose in their life but very few can see a point in Irish. However, a sizeable minority of students do like Irish and would not like it to be removed from the curriculum altogether. Therefore, make it optional. Allow people to choose to learn and love Irish, instead of choosing not to like it.


*With the exception of the Gaeltacht (sp?), becoming a Guard and one or two other Government / civil servant positions.

mentalimplosion

hey, i like being forced to learn oirish. if it was optional then in first year i would have picked something like french or spanish over it, never learn my native language and WITHER AND DIE


and so will you all if you're not diligent about your irish... ana's coming to get you...:mad:

Mystic Fibrosis

Bah. I have nothing but contempt for our native language.

And BAH!!! You only have a hazy idea of where I live!!! And I can mortar you!!!

mentalimplosion

yes, you COULD mortar me... if you knew where i lived! i have a better idea of where you live than you have of where i live, if that makes sense!
mwa hahaha....

Mystic Fibrosis

Ill go by a process of elimination. I know what part of d6 you live on, And that you don't live on a main road. So I'll just systematically mortar all the roads. Bah. NO ANA IS SAFE!!!!

alucard

what has mortaring ana for breaking your heart got to do with irish (which sucks). Anyway not all streets must be mortared. just look for the skankiest one with the highest wench population and start there until she comes back.

You'll be happy when she comes back.

IRISH SUCKS. There you go, emphasis without large font...ha.

Mystic Fibrosis

One thing I don't like about the whole mandatory thing: As Has been said, it's of very little use outside of school. And still, of little use IN it too. I mean yeah, Irish college is all well and good, g'wan if you're into that, but that's a controlled environment, and outside the gaeltacht is the big bad English monster. So I don't like being taught a language I barely know, with no practical applications. So there.

Even IF that doesn't explain why I'm doing Economics for the LC. Well, there was nothing else, so THERE.

And another thing: I have to complain about the HUGE difference between Árd agus Gnáthleibhéal. I mean, for example, I FAILED my mock higher exam in the Junior Cert. So I took Ordinary. I got an A. I mean, there's something wrong there, imo. In our class (Which is higher in Transition Year, because they thought "ohh, he got an A, he MUST be good") only 6 people are doing Higher for the Leaving. 6. In our general year, only the mega-smart people are even attempting it. So tbh, I think the department has to do a little work on closing the HUGE gap between the levels.

Spenguin

The worst thing is that if you take higher and fail in Irish you fail your leaving cert. And irish college is bad. So very bad.

lordsippa

Y'see the main problem with the Irish course is that it's not like, for example, the french course where you learn the language. Oh no, this course is all about learning poems and stories which is utter arse tbh. It might help a little if what we had to learn were in ANY WAY decent but alas!

I figure that if Irish wasn't assumed to be covered decently in primary (all I learned were the irregular verbs) and if teachers weren't so insistent that you could all get A's if only you got your asses in gear (i'm sorry but words don't stick in my head all that well - just lucky i read a fair bit) then the curriculum would be a tad more approachable and interesting and (gasp!) people might not grow bitter and hate it.

But what do I know... <sigh>

this post is NOT a <troll>

but still :ninja:

It wasn't me!

Irish is pointless, hate it.

And Garog, I don't know about mortars, but I could get you a pretty endless supply of petrol bombs if the money was right.....

Oh.. Don't mortar my school too badly, just enough to keep me out for a few extra weeks....

malecO

I was going to post a big long message discussing various problems in the curriculum but my pc crashed so I'll say my point very quickly.

BAD TEACHERS SUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!

mentalimplosion

Originally posted by lordsippa
Oh no, this course is all about learning poems and stories which is utter arse tbh. It might help a little if what we had to learn were in ANY WAY decent but alas!

hey, i know the whole of faoiseamh a gheobadsa off by heart and i think that's darn cool.

Crash

tbh the problem with the irish language is the curriculum. NO language should be taught purely or mostly written, and this problem is further compounded by teachers who fail to see that the only way to get their students A's is to step outside of the curriculum and teach it as a spoken language as much as written, rather than just memorising.

mentalimplosion

i don't like this. it sucks that everyone hates irish so much. i'm tempted to march around to all your houses (including yours garog, it's near enough for me to walk without getting too tired) and teach you all a little irish.

like we did with the americans.

yes, irish is a language you have to work at but its YOUR language so it should be important to YOU, important enough for you to want to work at it, ya big lazy people.

Liquorice

I don't hate Irish, I actually really love it, but I really frickin' hate the curriculum. I learn most of my spoken Irish and vocabulary in other classes, what with being in an all-Irish school, it's really only grammar that I learn in Irish class. The curriculum is in need of a complete review because it's causing students to hate the language and that's ridiculous.:mad:

Alaronshannara

Personally, I love Irish. I love the sound and rhythm of the language itself, and I love the fact that we have a language at all. I think it is imperative that we learn it in school and I approve of the necessity to have Irish to enter University.
That said, the curriculum sucks a bit and there's no use in learning poetry when you're still struggling with the grammar.
"Tír gan teanga, tír gan anam"
'nuff sed :cool:

neko-chan

I hate irish because, as has been mentioned before, I hate being *forced* into anything. also, I don't think I've ever had an irish teacher who really liked teaching it, so that sucked too. it's boring and hard and I DON'T WANT TO KNOW. I wouldn't have minded if it's been optional - hell, I'd probably be taking it! - but it wasn't, and I've been set against it since day 1.

grr.

mentalimplosion

my opinion on the teaching of irish at 2nd level is that class time should be didvided between stuff like grammar, sentence structure, verbs etc and poetry/other cultural stuff. i feel it's extremely important that we learn poems and the like written in our native language and be able to write about such. not everyone seems to agree with me but i'm always right, so leave me alone.

Outcast

Irish is one of the most beautiful languages in the world. Far nicer than English anyway! I'm sick of people all over the country going on about how much they hate Irish when they've never even had a conversation in Irish! There's more to it than grannies pretending to be fifteen year olds!

claire h

The problem with the Irish course is that it doesn't seem to be entirely sure what it is. I mean, at times it's more like the English course (what with the poetry and drama and short stories) than it is French or any other language - it's assumed that because we've been studying it for fourteen years by the time the LC rolls around, we have a decent grasp of it, which most of us don't.

I think that it's important to have it as a compulsory subject - because it *is* part of our national heritage, and most people would avoid it otherwise (up until recently I probably would have), and you *do* have the option of taking it at ordinary level if you want - but it does need to be reformed. I'd love to see it as more of an Irish language/culture/history class - I mean, you do get a bit of that, with the history of the language and a couple of Irish myths thrown in, but it's a very small part of the course. The language itself is fairly impractical for anything other than being a cultural thing, so they might as well throw in a bit more culture and make it more interesting.

Garóg, re: the difference between the higher and ordinary level courses - it's the same with maths. It's because with Irish and Maths, 'ordinary level' is actually the standard level and 'higher' is higher, as opposed to the other subjects in which 'higher' is generally the standard. Or so I understand it, anyway. *shrugs*

Outcast

Great points Claire. The curriculum is pretty bad it would be great to have more cultural stuff! If you all got a proper grasp of Irish I can honestly say that you would love it!