Zepplelin the best

kanurocks · 22-07-2003 4:46am #1

I think we all know led Zeppelin are the best rock band of all time
.with the greatest guitarist jimmy page.i rest my case.

Anyone like to retort?

cournioni · 22-07-2003 2:13pm

To be honest I'd find it hard to say that Led Zeppelin are better than Pantera. And I'd also find it hard to say that Jimmy Page is a better guitarist than Dimebag Darrell. They were a very good band alright.

Lemming · 22-07-2003 2:23pm

Originally posted by PORNAPSTER
To be honest I'd find it hard to say that Led Zeppelin are better than Pantera.

ooooh, I'd be VERY inclined to say Zeppelin are better than Pantera. But then again, at the same time it has to be remembered that they're not exactly the same type of music.

And I'd also find it hard to say that Jimmy Page is a better guitarist than Dimebag Darrell.

Ask most people who like rock and/or metal music to name the 10 best guitarists that spring to mind. I'd be willing to lay odds on how many times Dimebag gets mentioned ahead of Page, if named at all.

Don't get me wrong, Pantera are pretty damn good and Dimebag can do his thing with the guitar, but they aren't in the same league as Zeppelin. Not far off, but nonetheless.

cournioni · 22-07-2003 2:30pm

Key words in there Lemming... "I'd find it hard to say..."

Lemming · 22-07-2003 2:32pm

Originally posted by PORNAPSTER
Key words in there Lemming... "I'd find it hard to say..."

touche

nellieswellies · 22-07-2003 2:33pm

I'd be inclined to agree with the above post, I only liked Led Zep up until I got the new DVD but now I have to say I really respect them and all they achieved.
My reason for this is quite simply that when you see how young they were when they wrote most of their classics it really puts them into a league of their own.
Jimmy Page:nowadays probably just seems like a good guitarist but back in the 60's and 70's he was a virtuoso contsantly breaking new ground, I've been playing the guitar for 20 years and I would rate him at number 2 (best of all time) only behind Hendrix, while technically Jimi Page had more skills than Hendrix, Jimi used noises other artists were trying to eliminate from their productions (distortion feedback etc).
As for Dymbag Darryl I think if it werent for guitarists like Jimmy Page guitarists like him probably would not be around today.

Sarky · 22-07-2003 2:34pm

Best? I wouldn't say so, at least until I get round to hearing every other rock band ever.

Certainly among the best, and legends for all time.

nellieswellies · 22-07-2003 2:34pm

the above post being lemming's

cournioni · 22-07-2003 2:41pm

Originally posted by nellieswellies
As for Dymbag Darryl I think if it werent for guitarists like Jimmy Page guitarists like him probably would not be around today.

Hmm... I disagree with you there. Dimebag is a totally different guitarist to Page. For example I can't seem to remember Page doing pinch harmonics, only natural harmonics. I think Eddie Van Halen was a bigger influence on guitarists like Dimebag than Page ever was.

nellieswellies · 22-07-2003 2:44pm

Yes but even Eddie Van Halen is a generation behind Page, whats to say that Page has not influinced the way he plays.

My piont is he was way ahead of his time Daryll was not he was just of his time, which has tragically gone into decline

Giblet · 22-07-2003 4:01pm

Originally posted by PORNAPSTER
Hmm... I disagree with you there. Dimebag is a totally different guitarist to Page. For example I can't seem to remember Page doing pinch harmonics, only natural harmonics. I think Eddie Van Halen was a bigger influence on guitarists like Dimebag than Page ever was.

Van Halen was influcenced by Page alright, even as far as to take the idea of handtapping from the song Heartbreaker.

cournioni · 23-07-2003 12:53am

I still don't agree with the comment about guitarists like Dimebag not being around without Page. You just can't say that.

Pugsley · 23-07-2003 1:32am

Id like to be the first to point out the typo in the thread title.... :rolleyes:

ps: Dimebag is waayyy over rated.

cournioni · 23-07-2003 1:57am

Originally posted by Pugsley
ps: Dimebag is waayyy over rated.

Explain Pugs... :mad:

Squall · 23-07-2003 2:22am

while technically Jimi Page had more skills than Hendrix, Jimi used noises other artists were trying to eliminate from their productions (distortion feedback etc).

Ide have to agree with that. Paige was alot more technical Hendrix just oozed natural talent(not that paige doesnt, but you know what i mean), the guitar was like an extension of his body

Zeppelin were an amazing band and i never tire of their stuff

My reason for this is quite simply that when you see how young they were when they wrote most of their classics it really puts them into a league of their own.

Plant wrote Stairway at 22. Now thats an achievement

nellieswellies · 23-07-2003 8:05am

I still don't agree with the comment about guitarists like Dimebag not being around without Page. You just can't say that.

Of course you can if you can back it up and I have done, Im not saying that Dimebag is crap or anything like that if I had half the skills he has I'd be a happy man but the fact remains that he has contributed very little with regard to finding new ground as a guitarist I'd say he has great speed and precision but has in no way contributed as much to the over all advancement of guitar playing as Paige.

Giblet · 23-07-2003 12:33pm

Pinch harmonics and tapping does not impress me.
Crazy ass skiffle type folk music jamming does....

Karl Hungus · 23-07-2003 6:34pm

Personally I would've thought Dimebag would have been most influenced by Tony Iommi.

Crucifix · 23-07-2003 7:01pm

Originally posted by AngelWhore
Personally I would've thought Dimebag would have been most influenced by Tony Iommi.

I agree, Dimebag's amazing riffage reminds me of Iommi alot.
And reasoning that Page is better than Dimebag, because he influenced someone that influenced Dimebag, would mean the first person to every play a guitar is the greatest guitarist in history. IMO when it gets to this level of skill, it's really about preference.

DriftingRain · 24-07-2003 11:37pm

Just to break up an argument.....As far as a guitarist goes..I like Peter Frampton esp. in his album Frampton Comes to life...."Do you feel like we do"!!!

The way he makes his guitar sing and that oh so spine chilling sound...Um.....;)

Pugsley · 26-07-2003 10:38pm

Originally posted by PORNAPSTER
Explain Pugs... :mad:

Well so many people see him as gods gift to the guitar, but he isnt THAT good, and he hasnt contributed much to guitaring on the whole either.

If you want sheer speed in playing, Nuno Bettencourt leaves him sitting. You want catch rift's, you dont have to look far down this page to find some of the masters of that.

Im not saying he's cr*p, far from it, he's a very good guitarist, Im just saying hes not as good as alot of people make him out to be.

kanurocks · 04-08-2003 7:40pm

Damn you lemming. i went on holidays and when i came back i saw pantera used in the same sentence as zeppelin.you stupid lemming!!!!!pantera are the **** stain on the duvet of life.

kanurocks · 04-08-2003 7:48pm

MY apoligies lemming it was the trecherous pornapster who i ment to verbally bash..!anywho there definately legends,i mean john bonham is recognised as probably the best drummer who ever lived.he is so technically gifted in every way.and nobody mention dave grohl's name he falls into a much lower catagory

kanurocks · 04-08-2003 8:02pm

oh and this dimebag crapbag slag hag guy who is he!I mean really if he was any good i'd know him.Therefor he is crap {bag!}oopss!:rolleyes:

The_Bullet · 20-08-2003 11:12am

Deep Purple are the best Rock group of all time.
Deep Purple were even bigger in the 70's then Led Zeppelin.
Jimmy Page is a genius but Deep Purple were a better band.

Reasons why Led Zeppelin are recognized as the best classic rock band are because of Bonham's death and the various line ups DP have had.

But I do like Led Zeppelin also.

Giblet · 20-08-2003 11:56am

Duplicate

Giblet · 20-08-2003 11:56am

Deep Purple were not more popular than Zep.
And their lyrics were terrible.
Ritchie "whammy bar" Blackmore wasn't original in anything he did, and where is he now, in his castle playing the lute to his wenchs.
Iain Paice was good, as was Ian Glen.
But I think Bonham and Jones were both better.

They had some good songs, but you can't compare them to Zep.

cournioni · 21-08-2003 1:38am

Originally posted by kanurocks
Damn you lemming. i went on holidays and when i came back i saw pantera used in the same sentence as zeppelin.you stupid lemming!!!!!pantera are the **** stain on the duvet of life.

It is obvious that no one listens to you so STFU.

cournioni · 21-08-2003 1:44am

Originally posted by nellieswellies
Of course you can if you can back it up and I have done, Im not saying that Dimebag is crap or anything like that if I had half the skills he has I'd be a happy man but the fact remains that he has contributed very little with regard to finding new ground as a guitarist I'd say he has great speed and precision but has in no way contributed as much to the over all advancement of guitar playing as Paige.

How many people have been directly influenced by Slash? I cant think of many who have been influenced by him. But yet people are inclined to say that he is the best guitarist (not taking anything away from Slash, just making a point).

Blisterman · 21-08-2003 10:28pm

Well there's a differemce between best and most influencial. I mean deep purple are one of the most influencial bands ever, but i definatly wouldn't consider them one of the best.

kanurocks · 22-08-2003 11:24pm

eh sorry pornapster ....... what? .whos thread is this ?what its mine,...really .well if no one listens to me then why are people replying to my thread you plank!please go on continue to contradict yourself!and when your done sucking, go ask mummy what you should of said!before she puts you into bed!:rolleyes:

cournioni · 24-08-2003 3:19pm

Originally posted by kanurocks
eh sorry pornapster ....... what? .whos thread is this ?what its mine,...really .well if no one listens to me then why are people replying to my thread you plank!please go on continue to contradict yourself!and when your done sucking, go ask mummy what you should of said!before she puts you into bed!:rolleyes:

Did you take that from a book or something?

feylya · 24-08-2003 3:36pm

But don't forget the Beatles. I'm not saying they were the greatest band or guitarists ever but without them, rock wouldn't be the same. One of Ozzy Osbourne's influences is Paul McCartney and nobody can deny that Ozzy has had an influence on basically ever rock band from the last 20-30 years.

As for the greatest guitarist, I wouldn't rank Page or Dimebag as the top. I'd have people like Steve Vai, Joe Satriani, Yngwie J Malmsteen, John Petrucci, Randy Rhoads, people like that.

feylya · 24-08-2003 3:46pm

But don't forget the Beatles. I'm not saying they were the greatest band or guitarists ever but without them, rock wouldn't be the same. One of Ozzy Osbourne's influences is Paul McCartney and nobody can deny that Ozzy has had an influence on basically ever rock band from the last 20-30 years.

As for the greatest guitarist, I wouldn't rank Page or Dimebag as the top. I'd have people like Steve Vai, Joe Satriani, Yngwie J Malmsteen, John Petrucci, Randy Rhoads, people like that.

cournioni · 24-08-2003 5:05pm

Originally posted by feylya
As for the greatest guitarist, I wouldn't rank Page or Dimebag as the top. I'd have people like Steve Vai, Joe Satriani, Yngwie J Malmsteen, John Petrucci, Randy Rhoads, people like that.

Indeed. But don't forget about Michael Romeo, Shaun Lane etc.

feylya · 24-08-2003 5:06pm

Hence the people like that comment :-D

cournioni · 24-08-2003 5:08pm

And Zakk Wylde.

feylya · 24-08-2003 5:12pm

I don't know if I'd rank Zakk Wylde that highly. Incredibly strong player but very limited style-wise. And he over does the pinch harmonics.

cournioni · 24-08-2003 5:15pm

Originally posted by feylya
I don't know if I'd rank Zakk Wylde that highly. Incredibly strong player but very limited style-wise. And he over does the pinch harmonics.

Get the Ozzy live at Budokan. That should put him up there in your list. His 10 minute solo is simply unbelievable.

af666x · 04-09-2003 12:48am

I've heard a lot of pantera - 3 albums wortrh and I've done my utmost to stay away from them since. To even joke about Dimebag being as good as page is an offence punishable by death. Oooh he can do pinch harmonics, big deal. I can do pinch harmonics and I've been playing 8 months.

Here's an idea - look at both players techniques and styles and see technique for technique who can do what.

Clapton is probably the best and most perfect guitarist of all time but would he get a mention? No, because he's not as good as writing songs as playing guitar.

Long story short - Dimebag is good but Page is better.

Giblet · 04-09-2003 10:03am

Only playing 8 months, and the boy makes sense already!

cournioni · 04-09-2003 10:23am

Originally posted by af666x
I've heard a lot of pantera - 3 albums wortrh and I've done my utmost to stay away from them since. To even joke about Dimebag being as good as page is an offence punishable by death. Oooh he can do pinch harmonics, big deal. I can do pinch harmonics and I've been playing 8 months.

Here's an idea - look at both players techniques and styles and see technique for technique who can do what.

Clapton is probably the best and most perfect guitarist of all time but would he get a mention? No, because he's not as good as writing songs as playing guitar.

Long story short - Dimebag is good but Page is better.

I've been playing for over 3 and a half years and I say that Dimebag is better. Plain and simple.

Lemming · 04-09-2003 10:43am

Give it a couple of years pornapster ... I've seen you starting to mellow over the last year already

Ah ... all so reminiscent of my youth.

cournioni · 04-09-2003 11:29am

Originally posted by Lemming
Give it a couple of years pornapster ... I've seen you starting to mellow over the last year already

Ah ... all so reminiscent of my youth.

How grown up of you.

Giblet · 04-09-2003 12:29pm

Originally posted by PORNAPSTER
I've been playing for over 3 and a half years and I say that Dimebag is better. Plain and simple.

Ah well then, what do newbs like you know :cool:

af666x · 05-09-2003 9:19am

Thanks Giblet. Appreciate it.

Here's a quote to live by Pornapster -

"Opinions are like assholes - Everybody's got one, but that doesn't mean you have to listen to them all"

Baggio · 08-09-2003 4:30pm

Naa sorry can't agree
..I like Zep,,and Sabbath,,,but Rush play the socks of both of them...Lifeson is an extraordinary guitarist and as well as doing all his amazing stuff,,keeps the taurus pedals keyboards going at the same time, so does Geddy lee the singer and Basist,and his bass work is like that of a lead guitarist ive seen plenty of basists but none of his dexterity and speed,, and Neil Peart??,,,without question the greatest drummer ever on the planet...these 3 master craftsmen in one band???..who can compare???..
ANSWER> NO ONE!!,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,theyve played to more people than Zep, sold more albums, and the 3 are just plain better musicians, their music is more complex,,thats why 70% of their fans are known to be musicians themselves....

NO CONTEST RUSH are different class,,they dont shine on this album or that..ever since 2112 back in 76,,theyve shined on ALL their albums and on all tracks,,,they aim higher than anyone else,,with a 3 piece it would be enough to play well, RUSH play like a 6piece and STILL make it look easy live...don't believe me???.get some of their albums and their new DVD...you won't need convincing after .

ciao' Baggio.................

Giblet · 08-09-2003 5:12pm

Are you some sort of Rush PR guy, you've been ranting about them on a couple of threads now.

Geddy Lee is a rubbish vocalist and even worse lyricist!

Wierd timings don't impress me if they sound rubbish...Spirit of the Radio, what an embarressing song!

Bonham knocks the socks off Peart.

Baggio · 08-09-2003 6:37pm

Hey Giblet,
,,don't worry about it,,, PR guy??,,naa Im like most Rush fans,,hehe
Geddy Lee's lyrics?..ahem,,,umm lee doesn't write the lyrics, Neil Peart does!,,
] Fancy time keeping if it's no good?..hhaa thats a laugh any musician worth his salt knows damm well how good Rush are at it.
Boham Better than Peart,,BIGGEST LAUGH OF ALL..."Neil.. Peart has influenced more drummers the world over than any other drummer in history along with Buddy Rich, he has pushed the boundaries beyond what any other has ever achieved",,,-quote from Modern Drummer magazine..(you know,,the REAL drummers monthly read!).
Peart makes Bonham look pedestrian at best!
Spirit Of Radio a embarressing song.,..well great guitar riffs, superior lyrics, oustanding drumming and percussion, great twsist and turns in different times and paces,,,,embarressing song??..well maybe... if you dont like anything too difficult to understand!!..hahaha sory Giblet,,great if you like Zep,,,but leave the real accolades to the real mastercraftsmen,,believe me,,,i've seen both I KNOW wich band is better....ciao' amigo,,,Baggio

Giblet · 08-09-2003 11:42pm

yes,,well,,maybe we@%^re no+ all,,,ass pretentious as,,,you.

Some magazine says he is great and thats your basis, what about opinions man.
Quotes get thrown around like babies from broken homes, doesn't mean they have any merit.

Wierd timings too difficult to understand, sorry but it's not rocket science.
I know they're good at it, doesn't mean it sounds well!

Baggio · 09-09-2003 6:51am

Hey Gib..no problemo....Peart isn't the best because "A" magazine said so,,,,,,,opinion?-,,anyone who's seen him,,,(and I know you and the folks in this country haven't!)...know he's different class,,,and their music is just higher standard,,and it DOES sound damn good,, Pretentious??..naa,,I just like good quality stuff,,Jethro Tull, Horslips, lots of stuff,,,I like Rush best of all thats all..you really shouldn't get so worked up...can I ask your age btw?..just curuious...have you sen many great bands..and thats NOT a smart remark,,just genuine curiosity.
Opinions are one thing,...facts are another. ,,tell you what,,,you watch their DVD and tell me Honestly what you think afterwards,,,how does that sound?....ciao amigo...Baggio

Zepplelin the best

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