whats the story with the ppl in irish quake???

Da

Geezyz ****ing H CHRIST! I cannot ****ing believe this ****! No one is playing wars anymore! Its all CA CA CA CA CA CA CA CA its soo soo gay! CMon lads ffs start playing some WARS! I've been on irc all god damn day with sep and phx trying to gather some players to play WARS...BUT theyre al playing CA. Ca is just utter muck, okay on the other hand its fun!...but its absolute ****e if ure looking to improve ...there is no skill involved WHATSOEVER! Cmon ta fook and start playing some wars before we ALL end up playing CA 8 hours a night!

DEATH

AHAHAHAHA

BAAAAKE IT!

=D

SeP

this is a first
daaa has a point
ive been on irc most of the weekend trying to get wars started
its a joke! no one will play anymore
the last war noted was friday night at about 1am, and after it everyone ****ed off, i ended up loozing a duel afterwards and going back to irc, no one was there! so that ended fridays night of quake (or lack of quake )
tonite (sunday) there was a war mick got giong but i wasnt around for that
blade said some ****e like "theres always wars, ur just never here!" which is total boll0x!!

i dunno whas going on but its ****ing me off so much so that i started playin q2 online today!!!!!! arghhhhhh! i hold u all responsible

and def, SUUUCKKK ON IITT!!!!
=P

gandalf

Jesus H. Christ,

I've had it with this idiotic CA Crusade that everyone is on at the moment. I hate DM, I always have. CTF & CA are my favourite Mods and that all I play. As for saying there is no skill involved in CA that is utter s.h.i.t.e. If played properly it takes tactics and teamplay to get a good game in. Yes it is open to spamming & muppets etc. but so is every game of quake you play(Remember Daisycrusher and his grapple suicides in CTF).

Again CA is the most popular Quake mod by far on the Irish Servers, like CTF was before it, I remember arguements of that type about CTF saying it was ruining people's DM skills with Runes, Grapple etc. Remember Celtic Warriors the top DM clan in Ireland at the moment (Well maybe equal top eh CT<IMG SRC="http://lacerta.ucg.ie/boards/wink.gif&quot; WIDTH=15 HEIGHT=15 BORDER=0 ALT=";)">) were a clan that played a majority of CTF and remember (as far as I can remember, quakesrv2 days are long ago now) it was set so you couldn't hurt your teammates as well.

Also I'm getting sick of people interupting CA games asking people to join in a War, keep it to IRC, its downright rude and arrogant (something I feel is starting up from the people who play DM mainly).

Gandalf.

WhiteWashMan

i like CA <IMG SRC="http://lacerta.ucg.ie/boards/smile.gif&quot; WIDTH=15 HEIGHT=15 BORDER=0 ALT=":)">
i can learn how to rj and not die!
you may not learn tactics, but by god you get great reaction times from it
still prefere q2 thou
<IMG SRC="http://lacerta.ucg.ie/boards/wwman.gif&quot; WIDTH=15 HEIGHT=15 BORDER=0 ALT="WW)">
whitewash

TwoShedsJackson

Ah Sep, you've been converted to the real online game now <IMG SRC="http://lacerta.ucg.ie/boards/smile.gif&quot; WIDTH=15 HEIGHT=15 BORDER=0 ALT=":)">

DeVore

CA is good for DMs in some ways and bad for it in others.

I've gotten a ninja aim now from playing CA all the time and it has definitely helped my scraping skills.

The difficulty is that you dont pay attention to damage you take yourself. But I think the trade off is worth it.

Personally, I have seen MORE wars recently but they are all late at night and I suspect that the people above are noticing a tendancy of other players to only want to play with mates and non-messers.

I'm now holding my own with CT where as 6 months ago I wouldnt have had a chance.
Can anyone say *my* war skills are poor? and I play possibly the most CA <IMG SRC="http://lacerta.ucg.ie/boards/smile.gif&quot; WIDTH=15 HEIGHT=15 BORDER=0 ALT=":)">

Sure if you practised at nothing but war you would become great at wars (duh) but CA is fun and does help too.

As for ppl coming in and spamming about wars, well it is unpleasant but once is ok. I dont mind ppl being informed that a war is on but I object to repeated insistance that ppl go and play it.

DeV.

Shiminay

Tom...
skick...
A handy ickle ting I found <IMG SRC="http://lacerta.ucg.ie/boards/tongue.gif&quot; WIDTH=15 HEIGHT=15 BORDER=0 ALT=":P">

Dav
<IMG SRC="http://lacerta.ucg.ie/boards/curlydav.gif&quot; WIDTH=15 HEIGHT=15 BORDER=0 ALT="@B^)&quot;>

YuM

Yaaah CA,

Rjumping, no spawn kills, ground shootin a shaftin ninja <IMG SRC="http://lacerta.ucg.ie/boards/smile.gif&quot; WIDTH=15 HEIGHT=15 BORDER=0 ALT=":)">, rapin !, spewin grenades while runnin away, random rox kills, watchin a camper frag the last guy on your team who's worked his ass off...

S*it its not fair, but its great game!!

'setinfo oldteam anycolor' n' rock...

YuM

SeP

DeV!!
even late at night the wars have almost stopped
maybe it was just this weekend but it was utter ****e!! i had to go lookin for mp3s and ****e cos no one was playing, even CA was empty!!!

gandy, CA and CTF are grand mods, but we need to play war as well sometimes (or something) and as for the rest of yez, there is an anti-ca crusade it seems and also a ca-crusade too! its all getting about as serious as the wars are!! nooooo....

CT - LOL, the real online game LOL <IMG SRC="http://lacerta.ucg.ie/boards/tongue.gif&quot; WIDTH=15 HEIGHT=15 BORDER=0 ALT=":P"> sorry <IMG SRC="http://lacerta.ucg.ie/boards/smile.gif&quot; WIDTH=15 HEIGHT=15 BORDER=0 ALT=":)"> [DzR]SeP <IMG SRC="http://lacerta.ucg.ie/boards/tongue.gif&quot; WIDTH=15 HEIGHT=15 BORDER=0 ALT=":P">P

davitt - we all know your ****e at quake, stop lookin for sympathy <IMG SRC="http://lacerta.ucg.ie/boards/smile.gif&quot; WIDTH=15 HEIGHT=15 BORDER=0 ALT=":)">))))

right gone to look for games....

Scarab

NNNNNNNNNEeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
Wars do not help DM's in anyway what so ever.
CA is shoot at the ground and randomly shoot at corners, the only skill involved is knowing when they are coming around the corner. Involves no control unlike CA and DM. CA doesnt help youre DM's at all, its just a big spam fest.

Shiminay

CA rox cause you can go, play, leave. Wars are an altogether too serious affair. As many ppl have pointed out (not looking at any clan in particular), I don't play too many wars - reason being, I play Quake for the laff. CA for me is a laff and war's aren't. My team hurling abuse at me cause I don't have a proxy, or I'm basically crap at Quake - I can get away with it in CA.

That's all I have to say...

Dav
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Carnate

CA is the nearest thing to Q III (the gods be praised)

Trojan

>I play Quake for the laff. CA for me
is a laff

and your spelling is a laff

Koopa

eoin what the hell are you on about, repeat last mesg pls.. (heh)

theres a secret on dm4 lads... a cool jump..

harVey

ah koopa, get off it.

i've known bout that for ages

harVey

harVey

ah koopa, get off it.

i've known bout that for ages

harVey

OSiriS

soz Scarab, but I agree with sam...your last post makes no sense<IMG SRC="http://lacerta.ucg.ie/boards/tongue.gif&quot; WIDTH=15 HEIGHT=15 BORDER=0 ALT=":P">

Koopa

no, no, there is a secret jump on dm4...
there is only one person who can do this jump, and i reckon he cheats somehow using only a jar of mustard, some rope, and an automated cheating device....
DCC me youre demo's on irc if you think you know the jump... first person to get the jump wins free chipolaters

Scarab

What do u mean it makes no sense , it makes perfect sense, Dev said "CA is good for DMs in some ways" and i said "NNNNNNNNNEeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee" And if u like forget to read the "Involves no control unlike CA and DM" bit then it is ok...
Actually reading it know i think i was hepped up on goofballs. Sam ill bring the mustard and the rope and u can bring the automatic cheating device with built in alarm clock. Meet u at the top of Mount Everest at 9 tomorrow.

Now that makes sense <IMG SRC="http://lacerta.ucg.ie/boards/tongue.gif&quot; WIDTH=15 HEIGHT=15 BORDER=0 ALT=":P">

Koopa

Yes/OK/Allrighty/Understood.

SeP

sammy!!
i think its me who does that jump <IMG SRC="http://lacerta.ucg.ie/boards/smile.gif&quot; WIDTH=15 HEIGHT=15 BORDER=0 ALT=":)">
ill show ya it sometimes....maybe....if your good like....haha
neeeeee

scarab it didnt make sense cos u made a mistake, it was ok apart from u used CA instead of War <IMG SRC="http://lacerta.ucg.ie/boards/smile.gif&quot; WIDTH=15 HEIGHT=15 BORDER=0 ALT=":)"> the leds arent smart enough to spot that loike (i think) heh

scarrab will now get all offended and proceed to slag me....

tinyTIM

insert big gey comment

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Scarab

Dev dribbles : "What we're seeing is people whining because they dont like to play against enemies who have a weapon and can fight back." , when was the last time that you actually played a duel, its all DMM3 now, so u always have a weapon, once you are able to think and get past the guy standing at the entrance to ya (DM4).

"Is it a random corner that you decide to shoot at or do you pick the corner and then just wait for yourself to randomly fire... ", both, you just run about the level and fire at every corner that you see.

"Other skills such as "herding" your opponent, rjumping, midair combat etc are of course irrelevant." ,herding your opponent means what exactly?, running after them with rl while they spam grenades behind them. RJumping is a skill that anyone who plays quake, even occasionally, has mastered at this stage, and RJumping in Wars and Duels requires more skill because you have to get it first time, if u miss a jump u either end up in the lava or with a rocket on your head, in CA you can just shoot yourself back up into the air. "midair combat" , i presume is when two people RJump and try to hit each other mid air, well on levels like DM4 the principle is the same because of the way the level is laid out there is a lot of jumping to be done so you need to be able to hit mid air shots.

"Well some of us like a good fight see.", and there arent good fights in DM's and Wars??, only thing is that you have to be able to adapt your fighting skills on DM and Wars to take into account what weapons you have available and what armor u have and what armor, weapon or powerup is about to respawn near you.

"Name the top 5 CA regulars and which ones of them spam" , i dont think tha these players got good at wars through CA , i think it is the other way around, CA is fine for a bit of fun but it doesnt help youre quake play, i used to play CA all the time and i never seemed to get any better , but then i started to duel and play wars and i can beat most people, even in CA, who have been playing for longer than me but have sat on the CA server.

"ninja-spammers", there is no such thing, someone who sits in RA and fires grenades everywhere wont get top frags, but a lot of the regular CA'ers do spam.

Thanks Sep <IMG SRC="http://lacerta.ucg.ie/boards/wink.gif&quot; WIDTH=15 HEIGHT=15 BORDER=0 ALT=";)">

DeVore

Scarab dribbles: "CA is shoot at the ground and randomly shoot at corners, the only skill involved is knowing when they are coming around the corner. Involves no control unlike CA and DM. CA doesnt help youre DM's at all, its just a big spam fest"

This is the greatest pile of steaming horse manure. What we're seeing is people whining because they dont like to play against enemies who have a weapon and can fight back. Mostly DMers, control freaks and the like.

Lets look at this closely....

"CA is shoot at the ground..." Ok, we might have spotted your problem straight off the bat...

"and randomly shoot at corners" I cant imagine randomly shooting at corners. How do you do that in fact. Is it a random corner that you decide to shoot at or do you pick the corner and then just wait for yourself to randomly fire...

"the only skill involved is knowing when they are coming around the corner." Thats presuming that you randomly picked the right corner, of course if you dont randomly shoot at the precise time then you're gonna look a little daft. (Shooting wasn't explicitly mentioned but I presume the reader was to infer it.)
Other skills such as "herding" your opponent, rjumping, midair combat etc are of course irrelevant.

"Involves no control unlike CTF and DM." Yes I just let my body go all loose and wobbly and frequently loose control of my bodily functions. Oh you mean level control? Well some of us like a good fight see.

"CA doesnt help youre DM's at all, its just a big spam fest" Rubbish. Name the top 5 CA regulars and which ones of them spam (apart from mickah <IMG SRC="http://lacerta.ucg.ie/boards/tongue.gif&quot; WIDTH=15 HEIGHT=15 BORDER=0 ALT=":P"> ). Go on. Name them.
My top five would be (excluding myself <IMG SRC="http://lacerta.ucg.ie/boards/smile.gif&quot; WIDTH=15 HEIGHT=15 BORDER=0 ALT=":)"> ) and in no order.
Lorcan, Mickah, Tomb, BEAST, possibly OL
I rarely see them spam if ever.
So who exactly are these ninja-spammers we hear so much about.

Personally I think people are just WAAAHing about the spam because I play CA more then anyone and I rarely see spam. I also rarely see the people complaining about it here.
Even further I rarely get hit by it cos you have to be kinda thick to get yourself into that position.

DeVore

DeVore

Scarab lactates: "CA is fine for a bit of fun but it doesnt help youre quake play"

Thats right. It helps your knitting. I'm a ninja knitter now. Level 16 with The Knitting Needles Of Power.

WTF?

I have been playing CA for ages now, I consistently get up in the top scores. I dont spam. So how do I do it? I almost never play duels, and only recently have gotten into wars, so its not that.

There are players out there who run around aimlessly just looking for a fight and the problem is that most of the people WAAAHing about CA fall into that catagory. Regular , GOOD , players have copped on to certain tactics, like what I call noise reduction and herding.
"Noise reduction" is where I try and make absolutely NO sound at all. No rjumps if I can go another way, or if I have to I'll try and cover the sound of a rjump with grens. No shooting corners (randomly or otherwise) or thumping down stairs etc. This allows me to sneak up on my opponents and off them.

"Herding" comes in to is when there is only one guy left against one or more enemy, it important to kill him as effeciently as possible cos he can still get score from hurting you now. I'll make a LOT of noise and throw grens and rox when I know he's about.
This (and my ping <IMG SRC="http://lacerta.ucg.ie/boards/smile.gif&quot; WIDTH=15 HEIGHT=15 BORDER=0 ALT=":)"> ) scares him around the level. You can herd him to where you (or better still your mate) has set up a trap.

You dont think I get those "behind the door" kills just by sitting there hoping he'll come out of the right random door.

The only reason people are saying it has no tactics is because they havent bothered to think about it or (and I think this is more likely) they are duel/war ninjas and come on to the CA server and get splatted so they think about it and think to themselves
"Well, I'm a god at quake so this must be random cos I just got raped. Wah this sucks. I'll get on the board and degrade it so noone will notice I SUCK at it"


DeV.

Zero

The original comment I made about CA was recommending the teamplay 2 because I thought it made sense and still do. This row kinda changed direction somewhere along way, when the likes of Daa, who plays nuthin but CA, suddenly started screaming at ppl not to play CA and that is was gay etc etc so looking at both sides now and their arguments, I don't know who I agree with.
I think teamplay 2 would make it a lot more interesting as a lot of CA players who couldn't get near an RL in wars etc now found that not only could they have every weapon, but that they could also fire it wherever they liked and not hurt either themselves or teammates.
Quake is basically about a good fookin row, and when CA came out I loved it, and still enjoy a good mosh with the likes of Dev, Haha, Jaden etc, and even Daa, I mean lets face it, he might be one of the most annoyin lads on the planet, but he's bloody good at CA. What gets me about it, is when we've all had a mad row and all the top scorers are in white after finding the wrong end of a rocket, and you see this one person on 250 health+ skulking around picking off the remaining opposition and gaining himself a good 3 or 4 points in doing so. Another pain the ass would be the whole of one team deciding to sit in the RA and pick off the enemy one by one as they wander in there.
Lets face it, CA is about two teams beating the shiite out of each other and seeing who is left standing, it's about getting out there and killing, while at the same time using enough cop on that you and ure mates won't get wasted while trying to take down one man.
Teamplay 2 in some form or other, maybe like Slosh suggested where u can RJ to ure hearts content but can hurt teammates, would be a good thing to try out on the server, but that's just my opinion, and I presume I'm not one of the lads Dev meant when he said about ppl who get moshed and then complain about CA, coz I'm well able to handle myself on CA, I just think it might be an improvement.

Z.

DeVore

Here here Zero,
I have already agreed (in a different post) with the idea of a setting which TAKES points away for each 100 health of team-damage done.

This will further cripple spammers and improve the Clan element of Clan Arena.

What really gets my goat though is this attitude of "hardcore" war players that CA is only for people who cant take the heat of a war. Most wars are utterly onesided in this country, and degenerates into a turkey shoot where the opposition have no armour and no weapons and no chance.
Playing in such a war is god awful boring and you have to stay for 20 mins or else you ruin the war for everyone else.

I'll say nothing about the amount of times I've waited 20 mins for the game to start or muppets to ready up or more people to arrive and then 5 ppl turn up and want to play etc.

DeV.

Dr_Teeth

You lot take wars FAR too seriously. <IMG SRC="http://lacerta.ucg.ie/boards/smile.gif&quot; WIDTH=15 HEIGHT=15 BORDER=0 ALT=":)"> Us
Q2 lads basically play nothing but wars all the time, and there's never any hassle with teams, or people leaving/joining/switching - there's always another war starting as soon as the current one finishes. You lot need to relax about your game. All this CA/War stuff is so silly. <IMG SRC="http://lacerta.ucg.ie/boards/smile.gif&quot; WIDTH=15 HEIGHT=15 BORDER=0 ALT=":)">

Teeth.

Zero

Don't be silly.
The big buzz in Irish Q1 is split between CA and wars, while in Q2 it's not. That's why you play all wars all the time and Q1ers play both. Simple as that. The wars themselves aren't taken real seriously when they're played, its only when muppets quit out of them. As a Q2er you would know nothing about our wars or our CA anyway, so therefore your opinion has no background, and we will ignore it.
Enjoy ure q2. <IMG SRC="http://lacerta.ucg.ie/boards/smile.gif&quot; WIDTH=15 HEIGHT=15 BORDER=0 ALT=":)">

Koopa

ere any quake programmers want to design a damage mod for ca where your score is the amount of damage you do, MINUS the damage you have taken?
this is totally separate from the game settings and stuff, but i think itd be a more accurate representation of how much damage youve done to the enemy cos you should be rewarded for having lots of health left over after finishing off youre enemy... i think

SeP

THE ARAB HAS SPOKEN!!

but this time he a) makes sense and b) has a decent ideaaa!!! <IMG SRC="http://lacerta.ucg.ie/boards/smile.gif&quot; WIDTH=15 HEIGHT=15 BORDER=0 ALT=":)">
wow, someones eating his readybrek <IMG SRC="http://lacerta.ucg.ie/boards/tongue.gif&quot; WIDTH=15 HEIGHT=15 BORDER=0 ALT=":P"> or something

Koopa

shut the f*ck up sep

LoLth

Sounds like a good idea Koopa but I have one or two questions,


1. Would the 'Damage done - damage taken' score not encourage people to camp? An example would be, say 3 guys per team, 2 teams.

Massive mosh at the start, and one guy (Bob) decides to stay out of it and camp. Meanwhile, Cecil (from the opposing team) get stuck in and acquits himself admirably before dying. 700 damage dealt - 350 taken for a total of 350 points. Cecil has killed both of Bob's teammates and his own mates are unharmed.

Now, Bob is the king of Campers, the Big Winnebago (sp?) and he manages to kill both of Cecil's mates without taking a hit! (well it COULD happen). Bob finishes on 700 points. Cecil finishes 2nd on 350 (fair gap)

Bobmate 1: 175
Bobmate 2: 175 (split evenly)
Cecilmate 1: 0
Cecilmate 2: 0

Doesn't seem very equitable does it?

2. I can't see how you would get around the spamming problem either, unless you set it that damage done to your own team is say, twice the negative of damage taken by you.
Would also solve the problem of firing blind into melee (something which I am guilty of! I mean, if you can't damage your mate why not give fire support?).

The damage done - damage taken would be better than harming teammates 'cos in CA you sometime get the guys who follow you about using the shaft on you even thouhg you're on the same team! (Even now, it mightn't do damage but it can stop you dodging a rock or getting out of the way of a grenade).

How about a mod that says, any damage done to a team mate by a player is minused from the player and not the team mate? Would that be too difficult?

Thanks

J.

PS. what about that camping patch? You know, the one with the bright colours. Even better, is there one that makes the guilty party glow like Quad or Pent?

Bunnor

GET UP!
its ca, you can't take it seriously...we've tried, but it doesnt work