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Richard Branson apologises for photo

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    #62
    James Brown
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    I'm not sure what your point is Matt. I see you are using a worn out trope to insult "the right" but are you saying that you agree with me that this is a situation that didn't need an apology? Or are you in agreement with the opinion that minorities shouldn't be given special treatment?

    I'm pointing out the hypocrisy of people on this issue. If it were Ireland and an all black panel they'd be commenting quite heatedly I'd imagine.
    Seems to me the majority in S. Africa could claim minorities are given special treatment by Branson. You do know there's a lot more black fellas in Africa right?


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    #63
    suicide_circus
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    Matt Barrett wrote: »
    I'm pointing out the hypocrisy of people on this issue. If it were Ireland and an all black panel they'd be commenting quite heatedly I'd imagine.
    Seems to me the majority in S. Africa could claim minorities are given special treatment by Branson. You do know there's a lot more black fellas in Africa right?

    conversely, if anyone complained about your hypothetical scenario in Ireland, they'd be branded racist. People complaining about Branson's scenario are not branded racist even though they are the exact same scenario.


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    #64
    Bobblehats
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    Disappointed there wasn’t more black face myself


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    #65
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    Matt Barrett wrote: »
    I'm pointing out the hypocrisy of people on this issue. If it were Ireland and an all black panel they'd be commenting quite heatedly I'd imagine.
    Seems to me the majority in S. Africa could claim minorities are given special treatment by Branson. You do know there's a lot more black fellas in Africa right?

    So where do you lie on it?

    You would call out the racism in Ireland but in this scenario, do you think the people looking for an apology for over representation of a minority are racists?


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    #66
    Tell me how
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    I'd love how many on this thread would be apoplectic with rage if an African businessman came to Ireland and took a picture with 8 other non-whites to mark their opening of a Centre of Entrepreneurship somewhere in Ireland.

    It's not that complicated to see why it was remarked upon.


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    #67
    Overheal
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    So where do you lie on it?

    You would call out the racism in Ireland but in this scenario, do you think the people looking for an apology for over representation of a minority are racists?

    They aren’t at all a minority in South Africa.

    I mean for ****s sake people moaned a few weeks ago that an Irish grocery store didn’t feature one Irish white male in one of its banners. Was that a bunch of leftist snowflakes too?


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    #68
    Overheal
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    Tell me how wrote: »
    I'd love how many on this thread would be apoplectic with rage if an African businessman came to Ireland and took a picture with 8 other non-whites to mark their opening of a Centre of Entrepreneurship somewhere in Ireland.

    It's not that complicated to see why it was remarked upon.

    Indeed, these type of centers are basically business embassies and you’re not going to have an easy time tapping into the SA economy when the population looks at your efforts as a relic of apartheid


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    #69
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    Overheal wrote: »
    They aren’t at all a minority in South Africa.

    I mean for ****s sake people moaned a few weeks ago that an Irish grocery store didn’t feature one Irish white male in one of its banners.

    ……. what? The article states that the country is 80% black.

    The people who moaned about the advert, in my opinion, were arseholes. Are you agreeing that people complaining that there were no black people are arseholes too?

    Seems like you are tying yourself up in knots.


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    #70
    [Deleted User]
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    Tell me how wrote: »
    I'd love how many on this thread would be apoplectic with rage if an African businessman came to Ireland and took a picture with 8 other non-whites to mark their opening of a Centre of Entrepreneurship somewhere in Ireland.

    It's not that complicated to see why it was remarked upon.

    And again, would you be ok/sympathetic with the apoplectic group or would you ensure that you tell them that it was no big deal and that the African businessman had no need to apologise?


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    #71
    WrenBoy
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    Tell me how wrote: »
    I'd love how many on this thread would be apoplectic with rage if an African businessman came to Ireland and took a picture with 8 other non-whites to mark their opening of a Centre of Entrepreneurship somewhere in Ireland.

    A private initiative designed to open new business' in Ireland with positions to be filled,, OOoooooh I'd apoplectic alright aploplectic out my head.

    *Im shaking my fist at the screen


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    #72
    Overheal
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    ……. what? The article states that the country is 80% black.
    and not a minority then. If you meant whites it wasn’t clear sorry.
    The people who moaned about the advert, in my opinion, were arseholes. Are you agreeing that people complaining that there were no black people are arseholes too?

    Seems like you are tying yourself up in knots.

    Wether they were assholes or not a sizable body of white male irish consumers took offense to it. Slightly different culture issues too (Irish apartheid?)

    What are the business prospects, really, of any venture that inadvertently offends 4/5ths of the overall market?


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    #73
    Mrs OBumble
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    osarusan wrote: »
    Surprised that such a reaction didn't cross his mind or the mind of his media staff before tweeting it.

    Of course it did. They knew exactly what it would happen, and that the apology would get them publicity that money cannot buy.

    Just the same as Maccas and the Bloody Sundaes.


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    #74
    suicide_circus
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    one thing is certain, RB did not become a billionaire wasting his time on this type of pathetic nonsense.


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    #75
    Rikand
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    Salary Negotiator wrote: »
    Completely useless stat but if you were to randomly and independently pick 8 people in South Africa for a photoshoot there is approximately a 1/390,000 chance of them all being white.

    350.png


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    #76
    Lux23
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    He could be forgiven if the launch was in Ireland, but it is a bit ridiculous that a South African venture would have not one black person involved. I really don't understand how they didn't even realise that this would be a problem, nevermind how they managed to exclude 80% of the population from the centre.


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    #77
    Donald Trump
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    Has nobody suggested the obvious solution in case the situation arises again?

    Branson should clearly just go blackface for the photo to keep everyone happy


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    #78
    Lux23
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    Mrs OBumble wrote: »
    Of course it did. They knew exactly what it would happen, and that the apology would get them publicity that money cannot buy.

    Just the same as Maccas and the Bloody Sundaes.

    That's not how it works, there is such as thing as bad publicity.


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    #79
    partyguinness
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    So he is basically apologising for not having a 'token'.


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    #80
    Overheal
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    partyguinness wrote: »
    So he is basically apologising for not having a 'token'.

    Not really a “token” more that Branson’s venture leadership doesn’t include any representation of 4/5ths of the economy he wants to enterprise within, which hamstrings any networking effort or insight ability of his firm. Eg. A black SA member would have warned him precognitively that an all white announcement photo was ill advised and saved him from his first big SA blunder


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    #81
    sbsquarepants
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    Overheal wrote: »
    Still missing the point. Willfully at that it seems.

    There was a point?

    It was well hidden!


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    #82
    SporadicMan
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    Ha.

    When will I get my apology for black people being featured in every single advertisement in Dublin city? Since they're (apparently) just 2% of our population.


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    #83
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    Overheal wrote: »
    . A black SA member would have warned him precognitively that an all white announcement photo was ill advised and saved him from his first big SA blunder

    You are saying that it is ill advised because there is no black people there. If you were advising him, would you tell him that he should include some black people in the photo so people wouldn't be mad?

    That right there is tokenism of black people.


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    #84
    Tell me how
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    And again, would you be ok/sympathetic with the apoplectic group or would you ensure that you tell them that it was no big deal and that the African businessman had no need to apologise?

    I think you misunderstand my point.

    There is a group here saying Branson had nothing to apologise for. I'm suggesting this same group would be outraged if a Black person did a similar exercise in Ireland.

    I'm indifferent to Branson apologising or not, I think it was A stupid for him not to have locals involved and B, if they were involved, they should have been in the picture.
    Pulling in a nearby black person to facilitate them being represented would still have been stupid on his part.


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    #85
    BattleCorp
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    Lux23 wrote: »
    He could be forgiven if the launch was in Ireland, but it is a bit ridiculous that a South African venture would have not one black person involved. I really don't understand how they didn't even realise that this would be a problem, nevermind how they managed to exclude 80% of the population from the centre.

    Where are you getting the idea that they managed to exclude 80% of the population from the centre? You'd think he had a sign outside saying No N***ers. Have a look at the link below. There were black people present. It's just that there were no black people in that picture.

    https://www.bransoncentre.co.za/post/launching-the-branson-centre-of-entrepreneurship-south-africa

    By the way, does anybody else think that Richard Branson is starting to look shook?


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    #86
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    You are saying that it is ill advised because there is no black people there. If you were advising him, would you tell him that he should include some black people in the photo so people wouldn't be mad?

    That right there is tokenism of black people.

    I'm pretty sure the poster is implying that it would have been advised to have black people involved in the project, and therefore entitled to be in the picture.

    Therefore, not tokenism.


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    #87
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    Tell me how wrote: »
    I'm pretty sure the poster is implying that it would have been advised to have black people involved in the project, and therefore entitled to be in the picture.

    Therefore, not tokenism.

    As long as the people that he had on his team were not employed because of the colour of their skin (and we have no reason to assume otherwise), advising him to involve black people PURELY because of the colour of their skin is absolutely tokenism


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    #88
    James Brown
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    suicide_circus wrote: »
    conversely, if anyone complained about your hypothetical scenario in Ireland, they'd be branded racist. People complaining about Branson's scenario are not branded racist even though they are the exact same scenario.

    True dat. Funny seeing the same folk say that too many minorities is okay, no?
    partyguinness wrote: »
    So he is basically apologising for not having a 'token'.

    Surely the complete opposite really? The whites are the 'tokens' when they are in the minority.
    Deleted User wrote: »
    So where do you lie on it?

    You would call out the racism in Ireland but in this scenario, do you think the people looking for an apology for over representation of a minority are racists?

    In Ireland, if they were all black, I'd question why no whites? I wouldn't demand whites. If they were all white, I wouldn't demand one black.
    I believe a minority has less chance of having representation due to numbers.
    In Branson's case I'd query why he's only got minorities and no black people. I'd assume there being more people of colour that by percentages there should maybe be one at least?


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    #89
    SporadicMan
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    Matt Barrett wrote: »
    I believe a minority has less chance of having representation due to numbers.
    In Branson's case I'd query why he's only got minorities and no black people. I'd assume there being more people of colour that by percentages there should maybe be one at least?

    Just go walk into any clothes shop in Dublin city and you'll find countless examples of this.


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    #90
    James Brown
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    As long as the people that he had on his team were not employed because of the colour of their skin (and we have no reason to assume otherwise), advising him to involve black people PURELY because of the colour of their skin is absolutely tokenism

    Is it 'tokenism' if you include someone from the majority?


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    #91
    Overheal
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    sbsquarepants wrote: »
    There was a point?

    It was well hidden!

    If you say so


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