Tourists or Refugees

cfuserkildare · 12-11-2018 2:27pm #1

Not sure if this is the correct place for this, so if not could you please redirect the thread?

Only hotel in Wicklow town is to become a Direct Provision/Refugee center.

Has Tourism been downgraded in importance?

Don't want money coming into the town?

How do the locals in Wicklow town feel about this?

Trailerr · 12-11-2018 2:29pm

cfuserkildare wrote: »

Not sure if this is the correct place for this, so if not could you please redirect the thread?

Only hotel in Wicklow town is to become a Direct Provision/Refugee center.

Has Tourism been downgraded in importance?

Don't want money coming into the town?

How do the locals in Wicklow town feel about this?

Donegal is also getting 100 refugees before christmas

donegaldaily. com/inishowen-group-urges-public-to-welcome-100-asylum-seekers%2F&usg=AOvVaw3rt9qqqgEFeRfoLLE8Jman

"Inishowen Together have issued a statement extending a warm welcome to those arriving but criticised the direct provision system."

endacl · 12-11-2018 2:29pm

*paging Dr Brown*

listermint · 12-11-2018 2:30pm

Who stays in the hotel in wicklow town?

Genuinely is it busy or was it closed ? is it closed? was it on the brink of closure?

Wicklow has many hotels, im not sure wicklow town itself was a popular destination perhaps you can tell us some more as to why tourism is secondary. With details

Fann Linn · 12-11-2018 2:31pm

Same in Roosky, Co. Leitrim. Another FG deal according to Roscommon People last week.

Deebles McBeebles · 12-11-2018 2:33pm

I'll have Tourists for 3 please, Ben.

corner of hells · 12-11-2018 2:35pm

"Dey took er hotels" .

Chinasea · 12-11-2018 2:36pm

It's about time we started to help and take a share. To-date we have certainly been extremely shy.

Sad to see so much begrudgery.

Riskymove · 12-11-2018 2:37pm

cfuserkildare wrote: »

Only hotel in Wicklow town is to become a Direct Provision/Refugee center.

Has Tourism been downgraded in importance?

Don't want money coming into the town?

well the flip side is that if there was only one hotel and the owners decided that a better option is to close as a hotel, then I imagine there is not a lot of tourists in the town to begin with

supply and demand...

PlaneSpeeking · 12-11-2018 2:38pm

Chinasea wrote: »

It's about time we started to help and take a share. To-date we have certainly been extremely shy.

Sad to see so much begrudgery.

I must have missed the lead story on the Six One about literally every single Irish person being housed, fed and watered.

pablohoney87 · 12-11-2018 2:39pm

Trailerr wrote: »

Donegal is also getting 100 refugees before christmas

donegaldaily. com/inishowen-group-urges-public-to-welcome-100-asylum-seekers%2F&usg=AOvVaw3rt9qqqgEFeRfoLLE8Jman

"Inishowen Together have issued a statement extending a warm welcome to those arriving but criticised the direct provision system."

Same people on every thread on donegal related news asking about "housing our own" etc. Houses get offered out all the time and are turned down because they are in Donegal. And the instances of rough sleepers is nil in the county pretty much.

They never have a coherent point to make after that besides insisting the government should be housing the Irish homeless here ignoring the fact that it's been tried.

weldoninhio · 12-11-2018 2:43pm

Chinasea wrote: »

It's about time we started to help and take a share. To-date we have certainly been extremely shy.

Sad to see so much begrudgery.

Why??

Chinasea · 12-11-2018 2:44pm

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

I must have missed the lead story on the Six One about literally every single Irish person being housed, fed and watered.

Did you miss the bit about war torn / nerve gas also, or must you be 'Christian' and white.

How are all your relatives all around the world who sought refuge, decade after decade.

pablohoney87 · 12-11-2018 2:44pm

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

I must have missed the lead story on the Six One about literally every single Irish person being housed, fed and watered.

Nope, but you certainly missed the part where these refugees are being placed in centres outside of where the housing crisis is taking place.

rgodard80a · 12-11-2018 2:50pm

Chinasea wrote: »

It's about time we started to help and take a share. To-date we have certainly been extremely shy.

Sad to see so much begrudgery.

Have you seen our "share" of European debt when Fianna Fail didn't burn the speculative unsecured bondholders?

PlaneSpeeking · 12-11-2018 2:52pm

Chinasea wrote: »

Did you miss the bit about war torn / nerve gas also, or must you be 'Christian' and white.

How are all your relatives all around the world who sought refuge, decade after decade.

In the nearest safe country as demanded by Law.

Hint - we're not it. Ever.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k · 12-11-2018 2:54pm

Chinasea wrote: »

It's about time we started to help and take a share. To-date we have certainly been extremely shy.

Sad to see so much begrudgery.

Agree to an extent but the government need to get their **** together and sort out the housing crisis here first before bringing over other people to take care of. We’re the country equivalent to the traveller woman who keeps on having kids she can’t afford, adding to the population here when we’ve nowhere to put the people already here

pablohoney87 · 12-11-2018 2:56pm

Santos Deafening Doughnut wrote: »

Agree to an extent but the government need to get their **** together and sort out the housing crisis here first before bringing over other people to take care of. We’re the country equivalent to the traveller woman who keeps on having kids she can’t afford, adding to the population here when we’ve nowhere to put the people already here

One more time. These people are not being housed anywhere near the housing crisis. They are being placed in towns Irish people don't want to relocate to.

Until Irish people are being turned down homes in these towns because they are being used to house refugees your point is moot.

Trailerr · 12-11-2018 2:59pm

weldoninhio wrote: »

Why??

The war in Syria

weldoninhio · 12-11-2018 2:59pm

pablohoney87 wrote: »

One more time. These people are not being housed anywhere near the housing crisis. They are being placed in towns Irish people don't want to relocate to.

Until Irish people are being turned down homes in these towns because they are being used to house refugees your point is moot.

And they are being paid for in fairy dust and good wishes, are they??

weldoninhio · 12-11-2018 2:59pm

Trailerr wrote: »

The war in Syria

What has a war in Syria got to do with us??

Roger Hassenforder · 12-11-2018 3:02pm

weldoninhio wrote: »

Any they are being paid for in fairy dust and good wishes, are they??

Cold hard Facebook and twitter likes.

pablohoney87 · 12-11-2018 3:03pm

weldoninhio wrote: »

Any they are being paid for in fairy dust and good wishes, are they??

Funds is not the cause of the housing crisis and it never was. FG are devoted to the free open market. Social housing pretty much violates all the free open market principles.

Funding direct provision never has been a cause of the housing crisis and it never will be.

weldoninhio · 12-11-2018 3:05pm

pablohoney87 wrote: »

Funds is not the cause of the housing crisis and it never was. FG are devoted to the free open market. Social housing pretty much violates all the free open market principles.

Funding direct provision never has been a cause of the housing crisis and it never will be.

Of course funds have to do with housing. The govt has a finite budget. We already spend over E800m in foreign aid, then import or grant leave to remain to "refugees" and give them housing etc which also costs.

mynamejeff · 12-11-2018 3:06pm

pablohoney87 wrote: »

One more time. These people are not being housed anywhere near the housing crisis. They are being placed in towns Irish people don't want to relocate to.

Until Irish people are being turned down homes in these towns because they are being used to house refugees your point is moot.

Aw come one now wicklow is hardly the back end of mayo .
wicklow town is one of the most expensive counties in ireland and is only 30 min from dublin.

and to say there is no housing issue in wicklow is ill informed nonsense. have a look on daft at how many rentals ar available and the price of the few that are .

Plumbthedepths · 12-11-2018 3:06pm

Chinasea wrote:

It's about time we started to help and take a share. To-date we have certainly been extremely shy.

How many will you be taking?

qo2cj1dsne8y4k · 12-11-2018 3:06pm

pablohoney87 wrote: »

One more time. These people are not being housed anywhere near the housing crisis. They are being placed in towns Irish people don't want to relocate to.

Until Irish people are being turned down homes in these towns because they are being used to house refugees your point is moot.

Oh so it doesn’t cost the taxpayer or government any money at all? Gotcha

sheesh · 12-11-2018 3:06pm

weldoninhio wrote: »

What has a war in Syria got to do with us??

I apologise for bringing some reality into this bitchfest bu we do have international commitments to take some of these refugees.

we took the kosovars in in the 90s and they seem to fitted in just fine

Fann Linn · 12-11-2018 3:07pm

Trailerr wrote: »

The war in Syria

Nothing to do with Syria. Those migrants for Wicklow are coming from Nigeria, DRC, and some other African state.

The op was right, 'economic' tourists.

Plumbthedepths · 12-11-2018 3:07pm

Chinasea wrote:

How are all your relatives all around the world who sought refuge, decade after decade.

Well was the last time the Irish went abroad seeking refugee status? Thousands emigrated for work though.

cfuserkildare · 12-11-2018 3:09pm

The Grand Hotel in Wicklow was the center of a thriving music scene, only Wedding destination in the town too.

However, the new management started raising prices by hundreds of percent until no-one could afford to rent the space.

Again, I ask, what do the locals think about this?

mynamejeff · 12-11-2018 3:09pm

Fann Linn wrote: »

Nothing to do with Syria. Those migrants for Wicklow are coming from Nigeria, DRC, and some other African state.

The op was right, 'economic' tourists.

Albanians and Brazilians mostly actually

topper75 · 12-11-2018 3:10pm

With respect to the town and its tourism interests, this is just a sideshow.

It is the latest in a series of such, each of them attempting to distract from the disaster that is the system as a whole.

When you zoom out and look at it - you see people in there for 10 years with deportation orders issued against them and they are still floating around in the system.

Cases need to be heard faster to:

a - filter out chancers living off our backs
b - provide timely resolutions to those actually deserving asylum

The appeals element of the process appears to particularly unwieldy and unfit for purpose.
When this is fixed, there is no need for any Wicklow hotel to be requisitioned.

Odhinn · 12-11-2018 3:11pm

cfuserkildare wrote: »

The Grand Hotel in Wicklow was the center of a thriving music scene, only Wedding destination in the town too.

However, the new management started raising prices by hundreds of percent until no-one could afford to rent the space.

Again, I ask, what do the locals think about this?

...they worry that the sheep brothel will be re-purposed next?

mammajamma · 12-11-2018 3:12pm

It's totally cool, boys and girls.

Irish people don't want to live outside Dublin, so we'll fill her up with money sponges from the arse ends of nowhere.

Meanwhile, nobody can afford to live in Dublin.

Classic pincer manoeuvre, this is the sensible planning and future we want for ourselves and children.

PlaneSpeeking · 12-11-2018 3:12pm

weldoninhio wrote: »

Of course funds have to do with housing. The govt has a finite budget. We already spend over E800m in foreign aid, then import or grant leave to remain to "refugees" and give them housing etc which also costs.

I really didn't think that would need to be explained but jaysus!!!!

Nicely put!

Fann Linn · 12-11-2018 3:12pm

mynamejeff wrote: »

Albanians and Brazilians mostly actually

Im just going by the news report earlier today.

mammajamma · 12-11-2018 3:15pm

sheesh wrote: »

I apologise for bringing some reality into this bitchfest bu we do have international commitments to take some of these refugees.

we took the kosovars in in the 90s and they seem to fitted in just fine

International "commitments", when they are nationally detrimental, can take a long walk off a short pier.

weldoninhio · 12-11-2018 3:17pm

sheesh wrote: »

I apologise for bringing some reality into this bitchfest bu we do have international commitments to take some of these refugees.

we took the kosovars in in the 90s and they seem to fitted in just fine

I apologise for bringing some reality into this bitchfest bu we have a veto on bringing in refugees as per the Nice (I believe) revote. So we have absolutely zero obligations/commitment to take anyone.

mammajamma · 12-11-2018 3:17pm

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

How many will you be taking?

Oh don't worry about it, there isn't a single chance it crossed their mind. Not unlikely that the person isn't even Irish.

Don't blame them, blame us for allowing this joke to continue.

Pretzill · 12-11-2018 3:17pm

There's great money in direct provision. I don't mean to be cynical but I don't believe the refugees housed there get all that money can buy. As usual there are fat cats making a fortune out of other people's misery.

Graniteville · 12-11-2018 3:18pm

Riskymove wrote: »

well the flip side is that if there was only one hotel and the owners decided that a better option is to close as a hotel, then I imagine there is not a lot of tourists in the town to begin with

supply and demand...

At least refugees who mostly come from horrendous conditions don't insist on 4 bed house with front and back garden next door to their mammy.

If you had access to the housing list, you'd have quite a different attitude. A large number on the list expect/demand everything for free and will contribute nothing to the economy.

At least refugees want to integrate as quickly as possible and get working and contributing.

Simce law on work was changed in July, over 500 people in direct provision are working and contributing to the costs and obviously spending in local shops

Graces7 · 12-11-2018 3:19pm

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Well was the last time the Irish went abroad seeking refugee status? Thousands emigrated for work though.

and thousands of Irish living off welfare in the UK, USA and Canada.

Graces7 · 12-11-2018 3:21pm

Graniteville wrote: »

At least refugees who mostly come from horrendous conditions don't insist on 4 bed house with front and back garden next door to their mammy.

If you had access to the housing list, you'd have quite a different attitude. A large number on the list expect/demand everything for free and will contribute nothing to the economy.

At least refugees want to integrate as quickly as possible and get working and contributing.

Simce law on work was changed in July, over 500 people in direct provision are working and contributing to the costs and obviously spending in local shops

Proof please. Thank you

12-11-2018 3:22pm

weldoninhio wrote: »

I apologise for bringing some reality into this bitchfest bu we have a veto on bringing in refugees as per the Nice (I believe) revote. So we have absolutely zero obligations/commitment to take anyone.

Ireland made a commitment about 3 or 4 years ago to take in 4000 refugees.
Hardly a large number.

Fann Linn · 12-11-2018 3:23pm

Graniteville wrote: »

At least refugees who mostly come from horrendous conditions don't insist on 4 bed house with front and back garden next door to their mammy.

If you had access to the housing list, you'd have quite a different attitude. A large number on the list expect/demand everything for free and will contribute nothing to the economy.

At least refugees want to integrate as quickly as possible and get working and contributing.

Simce law on work was changed in July, over 500 people in direct provision are working and contributing to the costs and obviously spending in local shops

Would that be the crowd Peter Casey was highlighting during the election whilst the mainstream parties were defending them?

weldoninhio · 12-11-2018 3:24pm

Graces7 wrote: »

and thousands of Irish living off welfare in the UK, USA and Canada.

UK is within EU so anyone from Europe can go there. USA doesn't exactly provide welfare. Not sure about Canada, but if they are claiming welfare they would be there legally and aren't there as "refugees", same with USA.

PlaneSpeeking · 12-11-2018 3:24pm

Pretzill wrote: »

There's great money in direct provision. I don't mean to be cynical but I don't believe the refugees housed there get all that money can buy. As usual there are fat cats making a fortune out of other people's misery.

And not to mention the public (licence fee) money that is the glowing advert for direct provision and the demonisation of any who dare criticise it.

pablohoney87 · 12-11-2018 3:25pm

topper75 wrote: »

With respect to the town and its tourism interests, this is just a sideshow.

It is the latest in a series of such, each of them attempting to distract from the disaster that is the system as a whole.

When you zoom out and look at it - you see people in there for 10 years with deportation orders issued against them and they are still floating around in the system.

Cases need to be heard faster to:

a - filter out chancers living off our backs
b - provide timely resolutions to those actually deserving asylum

The appeals element of the process appears to particularly unwieldy and unfit for purpose.
When this is fixed, there is no need for any Wicklow hotel to be requisitioned.

Requisitioned?

I must have missed the part where the government seized the hotel for this purpose.

weldoninhio wrote: »

Of course funds have to do with housing. The govt has a finite budget. We already spend over E800m in foreign aid, then import or grant leave to remain to "refugees" and give them housing etc which also costs.

Once again the housing crisis is caused by one thing. A lack of affordable housing in overpopulated areas. Affordable housing by definition is not something a private company can supply without the government footing the bill. The current government have not commissioned the building of these houses out of lack of money but out of a devotion to the private market that they believe will fix itself on the principle of supply and demand. We could have a surplus of billions and FG would still not invest in solving the housing crisis as it goes against one of their core principles.

weldoninhio wrote: »

I apologise for bringing some reality into this bitchfest bu we have a veto on bringing in refugees as per the Nice (I believe) revote. So we have absolutely zero obligations/commitment to take anyone.

Ya know, besides on the grounds of human decency.

weldoninhio · 12-11-2018 3:26pm

pablohoney87 wrote: »

Requisitioned?

I must have missed the part where the government seized the hotel for this purpose.

Once again the housing crisis is caused by one thing. A lack of affordable housing in overpopulated areas. Affordable housing by definition is not something a private company can supply without the government footing the bill. The current government have not commissioned the building of these houses out of lack of money but out of a devotion to the private market that they believe will fix itself on the principle of supply and demand. We could have a surplus of billions and FG would still not invest in solving the housing crisis as it goes against one of their core principles.

Ya know, besides on the grounds of human decency.

I'll play my teeny tiny violin for them.

pablohoney87 · 12-11-2018 3:26pm

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

And not to mention the public (licence fee) money that is the glowing advert for direct provision and the demonisation of any who dare criticise it.

Pretty sure everyone criticizes direct provision, whether they are pro or anti immigration.

Some of us believe its an inhumane way of dealing with refugees/immigration and others believe those in direct provision should just be deported.

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