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Traveller Halting Site in Johnstown

  • 29-05-2017 7:56am
    #1
    PeterTheNinth
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,869 ✭✭✭


    I was looking at houses in Johnstown/Kill area as I was thinking of renting there. What is the story with the halting site down by the N7, is that a permanent fixture?


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  • #2
    micks
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 840 ✭✭✭micks


    just since last week, same group that were up on the monread rd a while back
    hopefully they dont last too long there


  • #3
    anewme
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,020 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    Where is it?


  • #4
    micks
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 840 ✭✭✭micks


    anewme wrote: »
    Where is it?

    https://www.google.ie/maps/@53.2346524,-6.6285754,204m/data=!3m1!1e3


  • #5
    anewme
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,020 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    Sick of them there every summer ...just keep moving around ...put bollards up to stop them last summer behind the Service station at kill


  • #6
    micks
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 840 ✭✭✭micks


    anewme wrote: »
    Sick of them there every summer ...just keep moving around ...put bollards up to stop them last summer behind the Service station at kill

    think the NRA or similar own that land so might take a while to get them out of there


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  • #7
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 7,499 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    micks wrote: »
    think the NRA or similar own that land so might take a while to get them out of there

    Coming into naas yesterday they had a fire lit and it was sending smoke across the road.

    They had also thrown loads of debris over the fence onto the road.:eek::eek:


  • #8
    Lex Luthor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,220 ✭✭✭✭Lex Luthor


    Is that at the roundabout by the ball?

    In the small area in front of old cement factory?


  • #9
    scwazrh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,720 ✭✭✭scwazrh


    They've moved from there now to a field beside the tile shop in johnstown.Theres another group of them at the back of Kill across from the old cement factory , a group at five lanes end on blessington road and I noticed two caravans on the footpath on the new road from punchestown to kilcullen road...Naas must be a nice spot for their summer hols


  • #10
    micks
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 840 ✭✭✭micks


    Unmarked Garda car there when I went past last night.
    Now they've moved back to cement factory entrance


  • #11
    PeterTheNinth
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,869 ✭✭✭PeterTheNinth


    Passed by there again this morning and it's full of rubbish with two giant piece of concrete in front of the gates to the field.


    That ring road around Naas has more perimeter defences than the beaches of Normandy before the D-Day landings.

    beachobstacleshedges-vi.jpg


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  • #12
    AnneFrank
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,827 ✭✭✭AnneFrank


    such racism in this thread


  • #13
    PeterTheNinth
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,869 ✭✭✭PeterTheNinth


    AnneFrank wrote: »
    such racism in this thread

    Would you move in to an area where every summer, ANYBODY (not just Travellers) pulled up a whole load of vans, parked illegally and dumped all their rubbish in the area? What's racist about not wanting your area treated like a tip site.


  • #14
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 7,499 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    AnneFrank wrote: »
    such racism in this thread

    Go back to your attic


  • #15
    anewme
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,020 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    AnneFrank wrote: »
    such racism in this thread

    Could not even go for a walk around Kill last Summer, the cycle paths were destroyed with rubbish everywhere and caravans parked up on the cycle path, with dogs tearing the backside out of anyone going past. Delighted the bollards put up.

    I pay property tax to the Council to keep my area clean, sick of this plague every summer, its not acceptable.

    Its not racism.

    They should be fined for littering. The rest of us would get a 150 fine if we as much as dropped an apple butt on the road. Is that not racism against settled people.


  • #16
    AnneFrank
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,827 ✭✭✭AnneFrank


    BrownFinger wrote: »
    Go back to your attic

    Original, put your finger back


  • #17
    One_Of_Shanks
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,436 ✭✭✭One_Of_Shanks


    anewme wrote: »
    Sick of them there every summer ...just keep moving around ...

    They tend to do that in fairness :)


  • #18
    scwazrh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,720 ✭✭✭scwazrh


    anewme wrote: »
    They should be fined for littering. The rest of us would get a 150 fine if we as much as dropped an apple butt on the road..

    Exactly , why do travellers get away with things that settled people can't?If I went to camp in a tent on the roundabout near the ball you could bet I would be moved on very quickly , why can travellers stay for weeks or months where ever they feel like ?There must be some reason they cannot be moved by Garda otherwise surely they would be.


  • #19
    One_Of_Shanks
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,436 ✭✭✭One_Of_Shanks


    scwazrh wrote: »
    Exactly , why do travellers get away with things that settled people can't?If I went to camp in a tent on the roundabout near the ball you could bet I would be moved on very quickly , why can travellers stay for weeks or months where ever they feel like ?There must be some reason they cannot be moved by Garda otherwise surely they would be.

    Probably for the same reason that they get away without the same tax burden that the rest of us do.
    Because they're a protected species in Irish society.

    You only have to go back a few posts to see the auld "racism" card get played.
    That's one of the main problems nowadays.

    If I go around littering the place and dodging tax then there's nobody going to save me with a racism card.

    Protected species.


  • #20
    the_syco
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,304 ✭✭✭✭the_syco


    PeterTheNinth wrote: »
    That ring road around Naas has more perimeter defences than the beaches of Normandy before the D-Day landings.
    They'd have a field day with all that scrap metal! :pac:
    anewme wrote: »
    Its not racism.

    They should be fined for littering. The rest of us would get a 150 fine if we as much as dropped an apple butt on the road. Is that not racism against settled people.
    With the recent ruling, making them so far above the law that they are untouchable, I'd wonder if the Gardai will steer clear?


  • #21
    anewme
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,020 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    the_syco wrote: »
    They'd have a field day with all that scrap metal! :pac:


    With the recent ruling, making them so far above the law that they are untouchable, I'd wonder if the Gardai will steer clear?

    Well I for one will torment my local councillors on this.

    Do the rest of us not have any rights?

    Taxpayers money which we pay and should be used for positive amenities for the Kildare area such as playgrounds and parks and landscaping is diverted to clean up the mess they leave.

    What's fair about that?

    How is not wanting to live in a filthy tip racist. Saw the state of the place earlier. It's a joke. Some people have zero common sense.


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  • #22
    the_syco
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,304 ✭✭✭✭the_syco


    anewme wrote: »
    Do the rest of us not have any rights?
    Hell no. You only have the right to pay taxes so they don't have to...
    anewme wrote: »
    Taxpayers money which we pay and should be used for positive amenities for the Kildare area such as playgrounds and parks and landscaping is diverted to clean up the mess they leave.
    Bollards, bollards everywhere. They look nice, and they help keep the unwanted at bay.


  • #23
    anewme
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,020 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    the_syco wrote: »
    Hell no. You only have the right to pay taxes so they don't have to...


    Bollards, bollards everywhere. They look nice, and they help keep the unwanted at bay.

    Load of bollards all along behind the topaz At exit 7. They stretch all almost the way down to exit 6. Put there after cleaning up for probably the 10th time.


  • #24
    AnneFrank
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,827 ✭✭✭AnneFrank


    One_Of_Shanks wrote: »
    Probably for the same reason that they get away without the same tax burden that the rest of us do.
    Because they're a protected species in Irish society.

    You only have to go back a few posts to see the auld "racism" card get played.
    That's one of the main problems nowadays.

    If I go around littering the place and dodging tax then there's nobody going to save me with a racism card.

    Protected species.
    You are the same species


  • #25
    anewme
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,020 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    AnneFrank wrote: »
    You are the same species

    No, you just don't get it.

    We just want to live in a normal working class area.

    I work so fckn hard every week to pay my mortgage so I can be proud of what I achieved and respect my surroundings but yet some people contribute nothing but think they can just discard their rubbish, that someone else will clean up after them, that someone else WILL PAY to clean up after them, after their discarded plastic and crap filled children's nappies that they dump on the side of the road with no respect for anyone or anything .

    They have no respect for the environment, this planet or the people who work from arsehole to breakfast to provide a future for themselves.

    I really don't understand people like you who just make excuses for these people who have no respect for anyone else and just take take take without contributing anything back. Drive down there and look at the rubbish.

    It's not ok.

    It's not fair.

    stop making excuses and get real


  • #26
    Fiery mutant
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,553 ✭✭✭Fiery mutant


    AnneFrank wrote: »
    You are the same species

    Another worthwhile contribution to the thread from you, no wonder you ended up locked in the attic.

    Me, I don't live in Naas, but work there. And they are a Fukien menace to society, nearly every day have to shadow them around the place to stop them stealing. No matter how much video footage or photos or registration plates you get, gardai can do **** all.

    We should defend our way of life to an extent that any attempt on it is crushed, so that any adversary will never make such an attempt in the future.



  • #27
    AnneFrank
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,827 ✭✭✭AnneFrank


    anewme wrote: »
    No, you just don't get it.

    We just want to live in a normal working class area.

    I work so fckn hard every week to pay my mortgage so I can be proud of what I achieved and respect my surroundings but yet some people contribute nothing but think they can just discard their rubbish, that someone else will clean up after them, that someone else WILL PAY to clean up after them, after their discarded plastic and crap filled children's nappies that they dump on the side of the road with no respect for anyone or anything .

    They have no respect for the environment, this planet or the people who work from arsehole to breakfast to provide a future for themselves.

    I really don't understand people like you who just make excuses for these people who have no respect for anyone else and just take take take without contributing anything back. Drive down there and look at the rubbish.

    It's not ok.

    It's not fair.

    stop making excuses and get real

    People like me, interesting. Also, I haven't made excuses for anyone. Perhaps you should try calm down a little.


  • #28
    anewme
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,020 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    AnneFrank wrote: »
    People like me, interesting. Also, I haven't made excuses for anyone. Perhaps you should try calm down a little.

    Yes you have. Constant excuses.

    Perhaps you should open your eyes. The reality is there in front of you.

    drive down by the ball in Naas and see what tax payers of Johnstown are currently puting up with.

    It's not acceptable. It's not excusable.


  • #29
    AnneFrank
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,827 ✭✭✭AnneFrank


    anewme wrote: »
    Yes you have. Constant excuses.

    Perhaps you should open your eyes. The reality is there in front of you.

    drive down by the ball in Naas and see what tax payers of Johnstown are currently puting up with.

    It's not acceptable. It's not excusable.

    Where have I made one excuse?


  • #30
    One_Of_Shanks
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,436 ✭✭✭One_Of_Shanks


    AnneFrank wrote: »
    You are the same species

    well that's funny because the same rules don't apply.

    Why is that?


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  • #31
    scwazrh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,720 ✭✭✭scwazrh


    AnneFrank wrote: »
    such racism in this thread

    Its not racist to complain about a group of people's actions.The facts are there to be seen , travellers in certain areas of Naas are leaving those areas in a mess and and are making tax paying residents of the areas uncomfortable .As always nothing will be done about it due to fears of people like you crying racism .


  • #32
    One_Of_Shanks
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,436 ✭✭✭One_Of_Shanks


    One_Of_Shanks wrote: »
    well that's funny because the same rules don't apply.

    Why is that?

    So no answer yet Anne?


  • #33
    One_Of_Shanks
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,436 ✭✭✭One_Of_Shanks


    We'll stick ya down for a "no comment" then Anne. Because I asked the question yesterday an hour after you replied to me and again tonight and that wee green light thing says that you're online for the last few hours but have refrained from commenting further.

    If you don't mind I'll suggest that you ran yourself down a cul de sac by saying we're the same species.
    Because if we're the same species then we should all adhere to the same rules.
    So if I stop paying taxes, park my van in the middle of a green area and litter the daylights out of other peoples neighbourhoods then nothing will happen to me? Sure you'll support me wont't you?

    What actually would happen is that I'd be arrested and rightly so.

    So I ask you again, are you sure we're the same species? Or are they a protected species?


  • #34
    PeterTheNinth
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    I think that Anne might have been scared off by the fact that a lot of people that disagree with her. But that's not the point, it's not about trying to bully somebody else off the thread because they have a different opinion. The point is that the majority of people are in agreement that it's not acceptable to lie down and let any group of people just p1ss all over their area, and consider it acceptable because they are a minority.


  • #35
    AnneFrank
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,827 ✭✭✭AnneFrank


    Hi Peter, don't worry i wouldn't be scared off by keyboard warriors, and yes we are all entitled to our opinion.
    But at no point have i defended the actions of whoever made the mess.
    That was not the point i was making.
    Calling them a different species or taring them all with the same brush, is in my opinion, incorrect.
    There is good and bad in every part of society, as demonstrated on this thread.


  • #36
    Joe Public
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,783 ✭✭✭Joe Public


    Not being racist or anything but just giving the facts.

    There are less than 2,000 travellers out of 30,000, in Ireland, that actually travel around but all too often leave their mark wherever they stop.

    Two studies have been produced in relation to Travellers in prison. One was conducted in Ireland in 2014, and found a disproportionate amount of Travellers are incarcerated.
    Men are between five and 11 times more likely to be jailed, while for women it's 18 to 22 times more likely.
    (A 2005 study looking at mental health among Travellers claimed that they make up 5.4pc of the Irish prison population, while only comprising 0.6pc of the population as a whole.)

    A study carried out in the UK in 2011 reckoned that travellers make up 1pc of the prison population in England and Wales: a massive disparity given that the general population is 56 million people and that there are only 15,000 travellers. (0.026785714285714288pc of the population).

    They have a different DNA and are now recognised as a different race of people, this is all fine but much of their culture is so far removed from the laws and culture of the rest of the population and will always cause friction.


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  • #37
    micks
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 840 ✭✭✭micks


    AnneFrank wrote: »
    Hi Peter, don't worry i wouldn't be scared off by keyboard warriors, and yes we are all entitled to our opinion.
    But at no point have i defended the actions of whoever made the mess.
    That was not the point i was making.
    Calling them a different species or taring them all with the same brush, is in my opinion, incorrect.
    There is good and bad in every part of society, as demonstrated on this thread.

    I'm intrigued. your first post
    AnneFrank wrote: »
    such racism in this thread

    can you point out which posts you think are racist?


  • #38
    beertons
    Hosted Moderators Posts: 23,145 ✭✭✭✭beertons


    Saw a few vans pulling into the old cement factory earlier. That site is fairly big, you'd fit some amount of vans in there.


  • #39
    WishUWereHere
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,468 ✭✭✭WishUWereHere


    AnneFrank wrote: »
    such racism in this thread

    Yours post was #12 on this thread. Would You be so kind and point out exactly where the racism is in the previous 11 posts?

    Also, I see 3 caravans now at the roundabout on the outer ringroad behind PowerCity. There has been 1 for the past week or 2, but now 3.

    Disgraceful!


  • #40
    HonalD
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,288 ✭✭✭HonalD


    One_Of_Shanks wrote: »
    So I ask you again, are you sure we're the same species? Or are they a protected species?

    I've no interest in defending travellers rights or commenting on the current situation but as a completely independent viewer, I would consider the above comments distasteful, if one is searching for racist commentary.


  • #41
    HonalD
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,288 ✭✭✭HonalD


    Joe Public wrote: »
    They have a different DNA and are now recognised as a different race of people, this is all fine but much of their culture is so far removed from the laws and culture of the rest of the population and will always cause friction.

    @Joe Public - similar was said about homosexuals in the 1980s for example and look where we are now.


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  • #42
    anewme
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,020 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    HonalD wrote: »
    I've no interest in defending travellers rights or commenting on the current situation but as a completely independent viewer, I would consider the above comments distasteful, if one is searching for racist commentary.

    Have you seen the state of the place?

    There are so many real causes crying out for funding in Kildare,it's saddening to see our funds diverted to clean up after the travellers year after year.

    its not about anyone's rights , but no one has the right got to leave a load of filth and expect permanent residents to pick up the bill.


  • #43
    One_Of_Shanks
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,436 ✭✭✭One_Of_Shanks


    HonalD wrote: »
    I've no interest in defending travellers rights or commenting on the current situation but as a completely independent viewer, I would consider the above comments distasteful, if one is searching for racist commentary.

    Nope. Simply asking that if we're all the same why are the rules applied differently? (or not applied at all)
    But forget the context entirely and choose one line from my post and deduce that I'm a racist if that's what you want to do, off you go...


  • #44
    HonalD
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,288 ✭✭✭HonalD


    One_Of_Shanks wrote: »
    Nope. Simply asking that if we're all the same why are the rules applied differently? (or not applied at all)
    But forget the context entirely and choose one line from my post and deduce that I'm a racist if that's what you want to do, off you go...

    I didn't call you a racist - I don't know you.

    But your reference to travellers being of a different species is distasteful.

    And your "off you go..." comment is noted.


  • #45
    HonalD
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,288 ✭✭✭HonalD


    anewme wrote: »
    Have you seen the state of the place?

    There are so many real causes crying out for funding in Kildare,it's saddening to see our funds diverted to clean up after the travellers year after year.

    its not about anyone's rights , but no one has the right got to leave a load of filth and expect permanent residents to pick up the bill.

    I didn't comment on the issue directly - I probably hold similar views to you about littering and transient residents. But the reference to a different "species" by the other poster is objectionable. Last time I checked we are all humans.


  • #46
    One_Of_Shanks
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,436 ✭✭✭One_Of_Shanks


    HonalD wrote: »
    I didn't call you a racist - I don't know you.

    But your reference to travellers being of a different species is distasteful.
    .

    Fair enough I thought that's what you were implying. hence the curt reply. My bad.

    About the species comment, my question was are they a 'protected species'?
    Meaning why do rules applied to the rest of us regarding taxes and littering etc seldom seem to be enforced in the same way when it comes to travellers? And if we're all the same then we should all be treated the same.
    Hence the phrase protected species.
    A 'protected group' then if that sounds better.
    What people are asking for is for them to be held accountable in the same way as everyone else.
    It's not about a load of big evil racists hating travellers and looking to have a go at them just because they're travellers, its simply frustration among people that they seem to get away with certain things like the littering and tax issues that others dont.


  • #47
    anewme
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,020 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    One_Of_Shanks wrote: »
    Fair enough I thought that's what you were implying. hence the curt reply. My bad.

    About the species comment, my question was are they a 'protected species'?
    Meaning why do rules applied to the rest of us regarding taxes and littering etc seldom seem to be enforced in the same way when it comes to travellers? And if we're all the same then we should all be treated the same.
    Hence the phrase protected species.
    A 'protected group' then if that sounds better.
    What people are asking for is for them to be held accountable in the same way as everyone else.
    It's not about a load of big evil racists hating travellers and looking to have a go at them just because they're travellers, its simply frustration among people that they seem to get away with certain things like the littering and tax issues that others dont.

    It's not even about getting away with certain things.....why would you want to leave your litter...why would you expect me as a tax payer to clean up after you....respect for earth end it's future...at some point everyone should think of this instead of you and your kids ****ting on the pavement expecting me to Clean up and foot the bill


  • #48
    Joe Public
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,783 ✭✭✭Joe Public


    HonalD wrote: »
    @Joe Public - similar was said about homosexuals in the 1980s for example and look where we are now.

    Meaning what?

    Society has changed their attitude to homosexuals and are more educated and accepting of their situation.

    Society can also live in harmony with the traveller people if they make more of an effort to abide by the laws of the land. Some travellers do but sadly too many make a career out of lawlessness and the situation is not improving.
    Travellers are just not trusted and they have to make the change, not society in general.


  • #49
    HonalD
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,288 ✭✭✭HonalD


    Joe Public wrote: »
    Meaning what?

    Society has changed their attitude to homosexuals and are more educated and accepting of their situation.

    Society can also live in harmony with the traveller people if they make more of an effort to abide by the laws of the land. Some travellers do but sadly too many make a career out of lawlessness and the situation is not improving.
    Travellers are just not trusted and they have to make the change, not society in general.

    Meaning.....

    You said that travellers have different DNA and are a different race of people.

    My point is that we all have different DNA and travellers are not a different "race" but have a different ethnicity. There is a huge difference in the meaning of these words.

    Again, I'm not debating the actions of anyone of the travelling community, just observing and pointing out questionable language.


  • #50
    Joe Public
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,783 ✭✭✭Joe Public


    HonalD wrote: »
    Meaning.....

    You said that travellers have different DNA and are a different race of people.

    My point is that we all have different DNA and travellers are not a different "race" but have a different ethnicity. There is a huge difference in the meaning of these words.

    Again, I'm not debating the actions of anyone of the travelling community, just observing and pointing out questionable language.


    I suppose it comes down to your understanding of the word race, some experts say there are only 4 or 5 races in the world while others argue there are much more. Race is not a scientific segregation but one of convenience.

    Have a look at this RTE video

    https://www.rte.ie/news/2017/0209/851399-irish-traveller-genetics/


  • #51
    WishUWereHere
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,468 ✭✭✭WishUWereHere


    WishUWereHere wrote: »
    Yours post was #12 on this thread. Would You be so kind and point out exactly where the racism is in the previous 11 posts?

    Also, I see 3 caravans now at the roundabout on the outer ringroad behind PowerCity. There has been 1 for the past week or 2, but now 3.

    Disgraceful!

    AF, You still haven't answered my question: where in post 1 to 11 was there a mention of racist?

    Oh, and that 3 caravans is now 4, and there is a hand written sign up saying 'chevaux for sale'. And please don't get me started on the rubbish accumulating there.


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