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Kilkenny College to drop day pupil fees

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  • 22-02-2013 9:46pm
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    road_high
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    Not really sure what the story is here. Is there more grant aid available if they allow in day pupils free now? Interesting only a quarter of local COI kids going there after primary.
    Will COI children get priority presumably for places? I'd say they will be much in demand.
    http://www.rte.ie/news/2013/0220/368730-kilkenny-college-fees/

    Kilkenny College should be the title, mods can you edit?


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    Cereal Number
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    And the taxpayer pays, typical


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    Benny Cake
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    road_high wrote: »
    Not really sure what the story is here. Is there more grant aid available if they allow in day pupils free now? Interesting only a quarter of local COI kids going there after primary.
    Will COI children get priority presumably for places? I'd say they will be much in demand.
    http://www.rte.ie/news/2013/0220/368730-kilkenny-college-fees/

    Kilkenny College should be the title, mods can you edit?

    No priority given to local children. As there are a number of second level schools within the city it is seen as a level playing field.

    The key criteria for getting in to kk college will be prior association via brother/sister/parent. After that, church of Ireland members will be given preference...


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    Benny Cake wrote: »
    The key criteria for getting in to kk college will be prior association via brother/sister/parent. After that, church of Ireland members will be given preference...
    Is it right that priority is given to christian children over children with no religious affiliation in state schools? Yet it happens.


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    Cabaal
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    catbear wrote: »
    Is it right that priority is given to christian children over children with no religious affiliation in state schools? Yet it happens.

    Yes, this is the case,
    imho such a situation is bang out of order considering for a majority there is no alternative local school


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    femur61
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    Is a bit of a kick in the teeth if your child is in 6th year and you have forked out fees for the last 5 years thinking you are giving your child a private education but in reality its just the same as other schools.


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    Sky King
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    I don't see why it is a kick in the teeth. If your child is in 6th year then you have succeeded in giving him or her a private education and if they are only due to go into 6th year you'll save yourself a few grand.


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    femur61
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    Sky King wrote: »
    I don't see why it is a kick in the teeth. If your child is in 6th year then you have succeeded in giving him or her a private education and if they are only due to go into 6th year you'll save yourself a few grand.

    no its a public school not private.


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    Benny Cake
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    Cabaal wrote: »
    Yes, this is the case,
    imho such a situation is bang out of order considering for a majority there is no alternative local school

    How so? Outside of kk college aren't there 5 second level schools serving kilkenny city?


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    catbear
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    Benny Cake wrote: »
    How so? Outside of kk college aren't there 5 second level schools serving kilkenny city?
    And how many are strictly non denominational?


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    femur61
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    Benny Cake wrote: »
    How so? Outside of kk college aren't there 5 second level schools serving kilkenny city?

    CBS
    St Kierans
    VEC

    What are the other two?


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    Benny Cake
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    femur61 wrote: »
    CBS
    St Kierans
    VEC

    What are the other two?

    Loretto and presentation


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    road_high
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    catbear wrote: »
    And how many are strictly non denominational?

    Would hazard a guess and say the VEC? The rest are all RC ethos schools ultimately.
    I think it's a good thing Kilkenny college have dropped the fees for day pupils. COI children that could not afford the fees had no choice at all locally unless go to a RC school. Don't see why they should be forced to do that as they pay the same taxes as everyone else.


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    byhookorbycrook
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    There are no non-denom schools in Ireland.


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    Benny Cake
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    byhookorbycrook wrote: »
    There are no non-denom schools in Ireland.

    Educate together are non-denom, no?

    http://www.educatetogether.ie/


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    byhookorbycrook
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    No, Educate Together are multi-denom, same as many Gaelscoileanna


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    Benny Cake
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    byhookorbycrook wrote: »
    No, Educate Together are multi-denom, same as many Gaelscoileanna

    What's the difference?


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    byhookorbycrook
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    Multi denom have many religions and no one religion get priority. Non-denom schools would have no religion even mentioned during school hours.


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    Benny Cake
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    byhookorbycrook wrote: »
    Multi denom have many religions and no one religion get priority. Non-denom schools would have no religion even mentioned during school hours.

    True, but neither discriminate based on religion with regard to entry requirements...


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    Cabaal
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    Benny Cake wrote: »
    How so? Outside of kk college aren't there 5 second level schools serving kilkenny city?

    Think county wide, now how many non-denom schools exist outside of city that are local to parents?

    Bottom line is if the schools are state funded they should not be restricted to a specific religion and should not give entry priority to a specific religion.

    If a school wants to restrict entry in such a manner then let them fund themselves,

    The situation with religion in schools in this country is a joke especially because the catholic church in the vast majority of cases gets all the benefits of the state paying for them to push their religion, it means the church don't have to worry about that annoying little thing called money.


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    Sky King
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    In fairness I don't think the church are opposed to a move towards secular education, are they?

    It's mad that religion is still taught in government funded schools in this day and age though.


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    Sky King wrote: »
    In fairness I don't think the church are opposed to a move towards secular education, are they?

    It's mad that religion is still taught in government funded schools in this day and age though.

    They very much are opposed to this.
    They might pretend that they are willing to give up a small percentage of the schools they control - but in the end I'll be surprised if anything significant happens.

    The RCC is playing a waiting game - waiting until Labour are turfed out of government - and then it'll be back to normal for them.


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    catbear
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    If anyone is protecting the virtual monopoly on RCC ethos being pushed in state schools it's the people who fill out their census forms as RCC yet socially they'd say they're unaffiliated. Cultural Catholics as I like to call them.


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