Would you protest for change of Government (completely new government))

I just want to get in here early and silence some of the worn and beaten
topics that potentially could get discussed and cause the thread to turn
into a 50 page behemoth in 2 days, I've encountered it at least 3 times on
boards and it's getting old:

1) Protest hijackers:
Endless claims saying something like "I would protest but I know it'll just be
hijacked by gate crashing commie rats so what's the point?" are a joke.
If the protest is endlessly promoted as a peaceful march we instantly
avoid all violent connotations and should anybody start to get rowdy
members of the crowd/march should stop these people before the
guards get a chance. This way we don't give the media any chance to
blatantly tar everyone with the same brush.
People can be simple minded, I don't know how many times I've read
posts claiming "they're all egg throwers, they're all gate crashers" yada
yada...., when 5 people get rowdy it doesn't mean the 150 surrounding
them are: use your f'ing brains.

2) It's useless to protest:
There is nothing useless about sending the message to those hiding behind
the police that you're not going to take their ∫hit any longer. They've sold
you out more than once - recalling votes on things people already made
their minds up on, instilling the fear of god into us via the media every day
about the decisions of the Irish populus (think Lisbon, Nice etc...).

I'm going to refer you skeptics to the Mai 68 protests in France that are
generally thought of as the origins of France's radical protest policies.
The amazing thing about these protests is that they were a failure,
the desired goals were not achieved by the protestors yet the seeds of
rebellion were sown and to this day the French jump at the chance to
let their government know how they feel. This is a population that went
off and bought the presidents most hated book as a student just to let
him know how they felt :cool:

3) What are we protesting for?
Good question. What are you protesting for? A really successful movement
has a clear and cogent message to send that all of the people can get
behind. The problem here is that populist slogans can easily be bandied
about and have this weird power to win over crowds, (Think Obama). Serious
and detailed policies need to be read and understood by everyone behind
the message or else you're not organized.

I'm an alien, tell me why I should protest and why you're protesting!

pablo_escobar wrote: »

nobody will protest..

And that's the attitude people take that make you're statement true, ironically. :rolleyes:

A completely new type of government, yes.
Same structure, different cunts, no.

No matter who you vote for, the government always wins.

A new political party could be set up here no problem. But since this is Ireland, things just don't and won't get down.

LukeQuietus wrote: »

I'll try to keep this short and not rant.
Lisbon Treaty. We voted. They didn't like it. We we're forced to vote again. I'd say that alone means we have lost democracy in the country.

No one forced you to vote yes but you would have been fairly thick to vote no out of spite.

I think the only way to have this NAMA thing dismantled and let Anglo Irish go before paying another cent is to have a new party introduced to the Dail.

Anyone who claims that completely letting Anglo Irish go is a good idea is completely retarded. From now on I'll see it as the best indication of an idiot who doesn't know what is going on.

I wouldn't want to be seen standing/marching beside people who are saying stupid things like "We don't have democracy" referring to things such as the Lisbon Treaty. There is absolutely nothing un-democratic about putting it up for a vote again. Actually, the fact that the result was different the second time shows that it was RIGHT to put it up for a vote again because clearly peoples opinions changed. Similar to the referendum on divorce. Should the Government not have put that up for a vote a second time?

I couldn't care less if we have an election tomorrow or next year. An election will just lead to distractions, and more political BS than usual. At the moment the parties should be getting together to come up with solutions... elections will cause the opposite. As well as that, I'm not looking forward to a Government in which Labour have significant power. If there was a good alternative to the current Government, maybe I'd want elections. But there isn't, so it's pointless trying to demand them.

LukeQuietus wrote: »

Should we not bother then. We may not be able to change our current debt but we can try and change the government for our children.

The only point I was making was that changing our government won't change our debt. I also said that I want a new government as much as the next man

LukeQuietus wrote: »

I'll try to keep this short and not rant.

Lisbon Treaty. We voted. They didn't like it. We we're forced to vote again. I'd say that alone means we have lost democracy in the country. I for one feel as though I have no say in what happens in the country. The people should run the government. Not the other way around.

The opposition is the other side of the same coin. They neither want power or have anything to offer. They're in the same corrupt bowl as Fianna FAIL.

I think the only way to have this NAMA thing dismantled and let Anglo Irish go before paying another cent is to have a new party introduced to the Dail. A party of this generation. All I see in the Dail is old men and women who live in the higher class and look down on us. They have conservative views and care more about what the EU big shots think about them than the opinions of their own countries people.

I'm not one of those "up the RA arseholes and I'm not interested in rioting or a violent revolution. I've also no interst in being in politics myself. But I do think we need change. When the republic was formed it was done so by people who understood the hardships of that time. So it makes sense that now we need a government of people who've also suffered the hardships of now. I doubt anyone in the Dail is struggling to pay bills or make end's meet. They see it from a different point of view completely.

To summarize:
No violence. People willing to hold large peaceful protests and maybe the creation of a new political party of YOUNG intelligent open-minded people who have ideas on how to improve things and drive to follow it through if it seems change is impossible any other way.

You lost me here... it's not as easy as just stopping something once it's started - there's no quick fix or quick reversion

LukeQuietus wrote: »

Why don't we vote on everything twice then? You say we shouldn't have political distraction that waste time but you're fine with voting twice on everything that doesn't get a desired result for the EU and Fianna Fail. Maybe the next general election should be held twice incase people make the wrong decision the first time. Maybe we should scrutinize past elections...

I'd prefer have a NEW government. None of the parties in the Dail right now have any interest in doing anything but shout and bitch at eachother and get themselves in the paper or on the TV. Same **** every day.

You're "it's pointless trying" attitude is why you'll never stand for anything. You're a coward. I wouldn't want to stand beside or march beside you either because you'd give up when it got difficult. You've already said you think trying is pointless.

Most of the major parties supported it!

dvpower wrote: »

Item 1 on the agenda: The split.

You, you'll burst the party wide open...:mad:

If you go against the party whip will you get sitebanned? :pac:

to be honest we have enough dishonest cheating me feiner political parties knocking around at the minute and now people want to add another one? good way of adding to our woes. 90% of politicians are only out for number 1 - what would a new party do for us?