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The Technical Employment Support Grant (TESG)

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  • 07-07-2010 10:22pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 105 ✭✭


    I was wondering if anyone had experience with the TESG? I've been unemployment for 6 months now and I wanted to do an IT course (that FAS don't do) so I went to FAS to enquire about the TESG and they told me that their funding has been cut and they would only be willing to pay a maximum of €500. They then told me that the social welfare could pay €500 also bring the overall grant upto €1,000 but I would need to be referred by the social welfare to FAS in the first place to be eligible.

    I then went to the social welfare and enquired about it and nobody had a clue what I was talking about. I got passed from one desk to another until the final person told me to contact the Department of Trade & Enterprise. I called them earlier and couldn't get through so I sent and email and again heard nothing.

    Does anyone know anything about the TESG or has got a course through it? The only information about it that I found was here so it's not very well publicised. Maybe FAS etc don't want people knowing about it?
    The Technical Employment Support Grant (TESG) allows National Employment Services Officers to support a range of responses for clients who are experiencing major barriers in progressing from unemployment to the workforce, where this need cannot be met by FÁS directly or any other state provider, within a reasonable timeframe or at a location convenient to the jobseeker. A budget of up to €1,270 (in exceptional circumstances, up to €2,500) per person may be made available for this purpose


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  • Registered Users Posts: 105 ✭✭Mervin J Minky


    Did a little bit more snooping and found that a question was raised in the Dáil about it earlier this year. Very little else about this online though.
    Willie Penrose (Longford-Westmeath, Labour)

    Question 41: To ask the Tánaiste and Minister for Enterprise, Trade and Employment if it is the position that there is 100% funding available from FÁS for courses ran by companies (details supplied) which would enable persons to enhance their skills and further provide opportunities for persons on jobseeker’s allowance, and who are registered to progress to employment; if this funding is available from some FÁS offices while not available from others; and if she will make a statement on the matter.


    Dara Calleary (Minister of State with special responsibility for Public Service Transformation and Labour Affairs, Department of Enterprise, Trade and Employment; Mayo, Fianna Fail)

    FÁS employment services division, through its network of offices, provides vocational guidance and support to individual clients who are seeking to re-enter employment or avail of training. To facilitate this process FÁS employment services can fund certain training requirements through a FÁS technical employment support grant. The technical employment support grant has been designed to provide FÁS employment services officers with a tool to implement a range of responses within the context of a client’s agreed career action plan. The aim of the technical employment support grant is to meet the training needs of the client, where these cannot be met by FÁS directly or any other state provider, within a reasonable timeframe or at a location convenient to the jobseeker. In relation to the two training programmes highlighted by the Deputy, support could be made available if they were identified in the context of the guidance process and the client’s agreed career action plan. FÁS has recently reviewed the guidelines, which underpin the technical employment support grant, with the aim of ensuring a consistency of application and it should now be available from all FÁS employment services offices. The amount available under the technical employment support grant for training interventions is €950. In exceptional circumstances, when jobseekers are experiencing extreme employability barriers, an upper limit of €2,500 may apply. In 2009 in excess of 12,000 clients received support from FÁS through the technical employment support grant scheme.



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 7,920 Mod ✭✭✭✭cee_jay


    You will need to speak to the job facilitator in your social welfare office. They are the people who can organise funding for courses.


  • Registered Users Posts: 116 ✭✭JGEP


    How do I find out who the Facilitator in a certain office is? I have asked 2 different people at the info desk in Social Welfare Office, only to be looked at blankly both times!! Made sure I went to a different person the next day but was persuaded by both to go to FAS to ask questions about funding etc.


  • Registered Users Posts: 105 ✭✭Mervin J Minky


    JGEP wrote: »
    How do I find out who the Facilitator in a certain office is? I have asked 2 different people at the info desk in Social Welfare Office, only to be looked at blankly both times!! Made sure I went to a different person the next day but was persuaded by both to go to FAS to ask questions about funding etc.

    Same happened to me, FAS pretty much fobbed me off to the Social Welfare and visa versa, plus have you noticed that FAS's funding for this grant has gone from €1,270 to €950 to €500 in less then 12 months. We all know that FAS are extremely corrupt and government cuts aren't exactly helping but people need this sort of scheme more then ever in this current climate. Anyway I'm not giving up in my quest for funding.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,535 ✭✭✭Raekwon


    I am interested in getting funds through TESG for a course also but I have failed to get a straight answer thus far. FAS told me that €500 was their limit but that certain people (ie: homeless, substance abuse, illiterate) can get €2,500 for training. They also told me that I will need to talk to Social Welfare because they are the people that can get me the funds but when I did talk to Social Welfare they told me to go back to FAS because it had nothing to do with them :confused:

    I also contacted the Department of Enterprise, Trade and Innovation (as the OP posted a link to their website) but they informed me that this was a matter for the Minister for Education and Skill, Mary Coughlan, as it falls under the jurisdiction of FAS, even though FAS are happy to pass the buck on to Social Welfare.

    Does anyone know the clear defining answer for how to gain funds through the TESG for a course to gain employment? The funds are obviously coming directly from the EU as part of the Lisbon Agenda and are implemented here under The National Reform Programme, outlining the policies and initiatives, which will be pursued to create growth and jobs over the period 2008-2010, with emphasis on improving skill levels throughout the workforce and helping those who lose their jobs back into employment or training. They also harp on about wanting to build a knowledge-based economy etc etc etc. So where is this money going? Into Rody Molley's pension? :mad:


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,791 ✭✭✭JJJJNR


    I was quoted 1800 for a course but went and told the training co how much I was getting from fas etc, and that I was unemployed, I ended up putting a small amount towards the final cost but got the course I wanted.

    Maybe your taking the wrong route by going to fas/sw in the first place and need to approach the training company to lower the course price for you.. shop around as much as you can as the money is there.

    Best of luck!


  • Registered Users Posts: 105 ✭✭Mervin J Minky


    JJJJNR wrote: »
    I was quoted 1800 for a course but went and told the training co how much I was getting from fas etc, and that I was unemployed, I ended up putting a small amount towards the final cost but got the course I wanted.

    Did the training course talk to FAS on your behalf or did you bring the quote to FAS and they simply wrote the training centre a cheque? I wouldn't have a problem putting say €200 towards my own training if I got the course I wanted.

    I also got a reply from FAS in regards to my query and I can honestly say that I'm still none the wiser even though I have been down with a FÁS Employment Service Office twice already and they seem to be able to be able to get me funds but quite simply won't for some reason :confused:
    The Technical Employment Support Grant (TESG) is not a grant to fund training per se, rather it is to assist Employment Services Officers (ESOs) implement a range of responses to meet the needs of jobseekers who are experiencing barriers in progressing from unemployment to the workforce. Where training is funded, that training cannot be available from FÁS directly or any other state provider, within a reasonable timeframe or at a location convenient to the jobseeker.

    The amount available is up to €500 to acquire the adequate training that suit your needs. The High Support Process mentioned is a multi agency team approach and an upper limit of €2,500 can apply. This is used in cases where a jobseeker experiences extreme employability barriers. This involves representatives of FÁS, Local Employment Services, Department of Social Protection, Health Service Executive, Vocational Educational Committees and other service providers as appropriate working together to help jobseekers overcome barriers such as literacy or numeracy problems, health related problems or substance abuse etc.

    I would suggest that you contact your local FÁS Employment Service Office to fully explore the options available to you.


  • Registered Users Posts: 105 ✭✭Mervin J Minky


    Interesting read:
    Funding shortfall hits IT market

    The problems with FAS are well documented but what people don’t realise is that now, when the economy is on its knees, is when FAS are need most.

    Okay, so a book could be written on the mismanagement at the state training agency but, this does not mean we still don’t need it, FAS still has a role in helping important sectors, such as IT. And we need it to fulfill its duties to those who are out of work and whom need retraining in order that the country has a skilled workforce that is needed to attract the right and retain the IT companies that our economy needs.

    In the article below, which was printed in the Sunday Business Post yesterday, Cathal Grogan of Verify Recruitment talks about how the problems with FAS are affecting the IT sector.

    With scandals at Fás still fresh in people’s minds, the effects have reverberated across the wider economy and unemployed IT contractors are the latest to feel the effects.

    Unable to meet the high cost of private training courses in skills such as project management, contractors would ordinarily turn to the state training agency for assistance. However, Fás is no longer funding courses in areas like Princ€2 or IT Infrastructure Library (ITIL). For job-seekers, the problem is that more employers are seeking candidates with these qualifications.

    ‘‘Our candidates are typically people with lots of experience and who find themselves between jobs,” said Cathal Grogan, managing director of Verify Recruitment. ‘‘They are applying for positions and employers are not only looking for experience, but also some sort of accreditation for their skills.”
    Clara Gough, IT consultant with Robert Walters Recruitment Agency, said the requirement was also being applied to broader IT skills such as Microsoft certification.

    ‘‘Where the hiring manager feels there is a good pool of candidates in the market, they use this as a filter,” she said.

    However, job-seekers looking to take some of the higher level Fás courses are faced with long waiting lists. Moreover, there are no clear guidelines as to whether IT contractors, who are often self-employed, qualify to receive funding.

    ‘‘It’s a grey area as to whether or not they are eligible,” said Grogan. ‘‘That has led to a lot of candidates coming to us and asking us for Prince2 or ITIL courses, but those can cost anything from €1,200 to a couple of thousand euro.”

    Jim Friars, chief executive of the Irish Computer Society, said he was disappointed at the Fás decision. He said training and certification in professional skills were ‘‘essential’’ to economic recovery. Such skills include not only project management, but also data protection.

    ‘‘We believe that the government needs to strike a balance and to assign a high priority to professional-level skills,” Friars said.

    While some third level, government funded initiatives facilitate unemployed people taking part in degree programmes, Friars said industry driven programmes were necessary.

    He said that courses like the Data Protection Practitioner’s Certificate and European Certificate of Informatics Professionals (EUCIP), certified by the ICS should receive the same government support as university courses.

    Some training firms have responded by dropping prices to fill the gap left by Fás. Last month, IT service management specialist ESMI developed a Prince2 Practitioner certification course for an offer rate of €795.These courses keep costs low by combining self-study with instructor-led tuition.
    Verify is offering the same course at €695 as part of its Upskill Programme of professional development courses. The full price would normally be more than €1,100.

    A spokesperson for Clear Learning, formerly known as Calyx Training, said it had also reduced its prices by up to 30 per cent to allow out-of-work IT professionals to attend courses.

    Friars welcomed these moves, but said they would not be enough. “An IT professional, who is between jobs, still requires support to ensure that they are quickly returned to the workforce and continue to contribute their skills and expertise, so we would call on Fás to reinstate a funding programme for professional level courses as soon as possible,” he said.
    Dr Bryan Fields, director of training services with Fás, said its change in strategy to focus on the long-term unemployed meant that self-employed IT contractors were not a priority group.

    Around two thirds of Fás’s 600 free training courses cover IT subjects. The agency also operates a technical employment support grant (TESG) to fund people taking courses that aren’t available from Fás.

    ‘‘Some 11,000 people availed of this last year,” said Fields.
    He also said Fás was addressing high-level skills and was in the process of developing a blended learning course in project management. Initially, this will be aimed at former Dell employees in Limerick who were made redundant last year.

    The course will be free of charge to those still unemployed, but will not be exclusive to ex-Dell workers.

    ‘‘If we get a lot of interest, we would look at extending it,” said Fields. He said Fás wanted to work with IT professionals who have recently been laid off. ‘‘If you have been let go from a company and haven’t had work for four or five months, we would be anxious to get you into a training course or night course,” he said.


  • Registered Users Posts: 68 ✭✭kathleenl


    Hi Mervin J Minky
    I work in a College and try to help people people who want to get on the course but are trying to get funding from FÁS or LEADER. It is not easy to find your way through the documentation. The only thing i can say is if you go to your local FÁS office and ask who ever is there if they can help you get on a course. As far as i know there is an allowance of €500 per person to retrain or up-scale your CV.
    1. You have to be unemployed and in receipt of Job seekers Allowance.
    2. Fás will only cover the course if it goes over 9 months
    3. Fás will only give €500 towards any course but the department of Social Welfare may add anything from €500 to €1000 depending on the individual case.

    You can also get funding from LEADER

    Making an Application for LEADER funding

    Any entrepreneurs or community groups interested in establishing a business or a service in a rural area should approach their local LEADER group (LAG). Whether you are at a very early stage and need advice, training, mentoring or encouragement from people who know the challenges associated with rural enterprise development, or if you have a project which needs matching capital funding you should contact the LAG in your area. Funding can be secured up to €500,000 for community groups and €150,000 for any private promoter with eligible Farm based projects being in a position to apply for up to €200,000. The normal funding level for LEADER ranges from a couple of thousand euro to twenty or thirty thousand, the larger grants are the exception rather than the rule.
    Where are the LEADER Companies?

    There are 36 individual companies administering LEADER funding throughout rural Ireland. These companies used different names based on their location, and often are referred to as Integrated Local Development company, LEADER company, the LEADER partnership or the Local Action group (LAG). They all administer this particular rural development fund and must apply consistent rules for administering this money. Each LAG will have different priorities based on their local plan and the needs of the area.
    What type of funding is available through LEADER?

    There are seven measures under LEADER all are open to any rural dweller however there is one, farm diversification, which is exclusive to Farmers and their families. If you want more technical information on the measure please refer to Axis 3 and Axis 4 of the Rural Development Programme or contact your local LAG.
    • Diversification into non-agricultural activities
    • Support for the creation and development of micro-enterprises
    • Encouragement of tourism activities
    • Basic services for the rural economy and population
    • Village renewal and development
    • Upgrading of Rural Heritage
    • Training and Skills

    The last one is the one you would be looking for. If you would like more information on it try this website http://www.nrn.ie/the-national-rural-network/making-an-application-for-leader-funding/

    I hope this is of help to you.


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 7,920 Mod ✭✭✭✭cee_jay


    Thread is well over a year old. Closed.


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