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ID cards/Verichip

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  • #2
    conceited
    Closed Accounts Posts: 891 ✭✭✭conceited


    Ya for the brits, not us, so far!


  • #3
    Run_to_da_hills
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    Voltwad wrote: »
    http://www.no2id.net/IDSchemes/

    is this real? =/ Scary videos I must say.

    I started a thread on this subject. It is foretold in the book of Revelations that a time will come when you will not be able to buy or sell without a sub dermal implant in the right hand or forehead.

    "And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads":

    "And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name". Rev 13:17 KJV

    The Christian church cannot take this mark as there are serious spiritual implications spoken of (It is the mark of danmnation) and also physical consequences. It speaks of sores breaking out on anyone that takes it.. (Cancer?) Cancer has been proved in animals with the current glass verichip.

    If one takes the RFID implant it cannot be switched off as it is a passive 13,56 MHz RFID chip that will activate 24/7 if you pass a portal or hand held gun. Unless you are wearing a lead wrist band you can be identified several feet away at any given moment. You can also be pin pointed anywhere in the planet with every purchase. or a journey you make with it. (Just like smart cards).

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055122906&highlight=666


    The Smart card I believe will eventually lead up to this and once everyone has an Identity card it would be a simple matter to inflict the implant. All the hardware that is currently used with smart cards would also be compatible with implants such as all transit / retail touch pads, portal scanners, high security RFID door locks and automated supermarket check outs. With another fabricated 9/11 attack or a nuclear strike people will do anything in panic.

    I don't believe the Verichip which is made by digital angel will be the "mark", its too big, and was developed well over a decade ago, I believe forbidden mark will be tiny and similar to the powder chips developed by Hitachi.

    The chipped Irish National ID may have been knocked on the head because of government finances but no doubt it will raise its ugly head again in the near future more than likely through pressure from the UK or the EEC.


  • #4
    Smudgeyboy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 153 ✭✭Smudgeyboy


    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    The Christian church cannot take this mark as there are serious spiritual implications spoken of (It is the mark of danmnation) and also physical consequences. It speaks of sores breaking out on anyone that takes it.. (Cancer?) Cancer has been proved in animals with the current glass verichip.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055122906&highlight=666

    People who have already been chipped (you can get it voluntarily in America) complain of getting sores and blisters over the implanted spot when they go too near phone masts and ****. Could be true, might not be, wouldnt know.

    Always remember when the Freemasons in Government are doing stuff and it's in the Bible, how long the freemasons have actually had control of the bible.
    You might find yourself thinking when it comes down to it, why would Jesus want me to go to prison or die and not fight for earth?


  • #5
    Kama
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,027 ✭✭✭Kama


    The Mark is your mobile phone, hope you don't have one or the Beast already has your soul...


  • #6
    d0gb0y
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 287 ✭✭d0gb0y


    The Irish government are trying to bring this through aswell. We will probably see this been introduced to the less well off first or those that the state does not like. Then it will be introduced to those on social welfare, pensions & disability. Then it will become mandatory for everyone its the exact same way that governments are introducing this across the world. What makes me laugh about the whole thing is
    A. The technology is unproven & many of its forms have already been compromised.
    B. Its really expensive, at a time when governments are short on cash.
    C. Either no debate or very little debate on something that will effect every single last one of us.
    D. We all know how good governments are at loosing data.
    E. During a future war imagine what could happen if the system is compromised.
    F. The same companies that are providing the solutions for this are the same companies that are providing this for the whole world...conflict of interests.

    "DOWN WITH THIS SORT OF THING"


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  • #7
    Run_to_da_hills
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    Kama wrote: »
    The Mark is your mobile phone, hope you don't have one or the Beast already has your soul...
    Do you strap your mobile phone to your right hand or forehead 24/7, ? :confused:


  • #8
    Ciaran500
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,225 ✭✭✭Ciaran500


    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    Unless you are wearing a lead wrist band you can be identified several feet away at any given moment.
    Why lead? Do you still not understand Faraday cages?


  • #9
    Kama
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,027 ✭✭✭Kama


    Do you strap your mobile phone to your right hand or forehead 24/7

    I don't personally, but most people have a phone somewhere between the reach of their hand and their head at almost all times...When the Rapture comes, teh txt gnration will be Left Behind!!


  • #10
    Smudgeyboy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 153 ✭✭Smudgeyboy


    I dont think the people of Ireland would accept it in our livetimes, everybodys grandparents would be flipping out!

    Easy in non-christian places, I'm pretty sure hell is a metaphor anyways. No to chips still!


  • #11
    Run_to_da_hills
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    Implants will be the latest cool gadget to have. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/3697940.stm

    I placed an Oystercard on the inside of a glove in the palm of my hand in London quite recently so simulate how a chipped implant would work. It worked quite effectivly with no error on the turn style touch pads. I also noticed that all these smart card machines are conveniently right handed, Just like the ones at Dart, Luas, Dubllin Bus and all other foreign transit companies.

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  • #12
    Smudgeyboy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 153 ✭✭Smudgeyboy


    Not meaning to offend Run_to_da_hills but have you been watching alot of Alex Jones?

    I only ask because you seem very much so like there's nothing can be done about all this and it's just going to happen and we know and it's all very bad.

    I used to think like that about it but it's very unhealthy and unfounded. Alex Jones is going around accusing all sorts of everybody as being works of the Devil (who, from I can see, is a myth) and does no research into what the illuminati know about the world, only their percieved plans for us. It's worst for you than listening to the doom and gloom bull**** on the radio. It's helps you accept it.

    Im saying no to all I.D chips anyway, only thing you can do. Unless you develope some frequency so they could maybe be destoryed? I know nothing on the subject.


  • #13
    Run_to_da_hills
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    It is inevitable that it is going to happen because the Bible spreaks of it and the Bible cannot lie. Its only a matter of time when it is going to happen.

    The Christian Church (Not Catholic Church) accepts the "Mark of the beast" as the final test for mankind. In other words you live for the world and accept the chip (666) or reject it and live for God.

    You cannot accept both. I know plenty of non Christians that say they would fight tooth and nail against being chipped, They will argue that it is against civil liberties, etc. Bottom line if there is another 9/11 scenario possibly nuclear with corresponding global panic people would think different. The powers that be would have to think of new drastic fool proof measures and such measures would be issued in the interests of "global peace and security".

    It would be a simple "over night" matter to switch over to the 666 system. All the hardware is compatible with what is being currently used on smart cards, The passive RFID chips used so far for implants also transmits on the same 13.56 MHZ frequencies

    Those that reject it will be isolated from society, denied border access, land, air or sea travel, all commercial transactions, etc.


  • #14
    nyarlothothep
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,184 ✭✭✭nyarlothothep


    Innocent line of reasoning here...apparently Romans crucified people upside down as it would be more painful for them. Wouldn't that make the symbol of the cross inverted in a kind of reverse way. Ergo, the church is actually satanic! Didn't some dude in star trek say that the best way to hide something is in plain view...


  • #15
    humanji
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,976 ✭✭✭✭humanji


    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    It is inevitable that it is going to happen because the Bible spreaks of it and the Bible cannot lie. Its only a matter of time when it is going to happen.

    The Christian Church (Not Catholic Church) accepts the "Mark of the beast" as the final test for mankind. In other words you live for the world and accept the chip (666) or reject it and live for God.

    You cannot accept both. I know plenty of non Christians that say they would fight tooth and nail against being chipped, They will argue that it is against civil liberties, etc. Bottom line if there is another 9/11 scenario possibly nuclear with corresponding global panic people would think different. The powers that be would have to think of new drastic fool proof measures and such measures would be issued in the interests of "global peace and security".

    It would be a simple "over night" matter to switch over to the 666 system. All the hardware is compatible with what is being currently used on smart cards, The passive RFID chips used so far for implants also transmits on the same 13.56 MHZ frequencies

    Those that reject it will be isolated from society, denied border access, land, air or sea travel, all commercial transactions, etc.
    But the Bible doesn't explicitly say Rfid chips implanted in your arm. You're taking it to mean this. It could refer to a completely different thing altogether, it just so happens that you've got something that kind of fits the bill. In ten years time there might be a new technology that fits the Bibles description even better. And ten years after that will come something else.

    You are quite right that the Bible doesn't lie, simply because it can be interpreted to mean absolutely anything.


  • #16
    Kama
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,027 ✭✭✭Kama


    You know, before it was mobile phones and RFIDS, the Mark of the Beast was barcodes...Times move on.

    Plus its good to know the Mark of the Beast can be easily hacked.


  • #17
    Ciaran500
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,225 ✭✭✭Ciaran500


    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    I also noticed that all these smart card machines are conveniently right handed, Just like the ones at Dart, Luas, Dubllin Bus and all other foreign transit companies.

    OMG that proves it


    Nothing at all to do with about 90% of the worlds population is right handed. Nope, its for the mark of the beast.


  • #18
    Run_to_da_hills
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    Kama wrote: »
    You know, before it was mobile phones and RFIDS, the Mark of the Beast was barcodes...Times move on.

    Plus its good to know the Mark of the Beast can be easily hacked.

    Many reasons for right hand useage, Billions of Muslims would be offended if the left hand was specified. As you say most people are right handed.

    This is one reason why the hand or forehead would be chosen. For bank and larger EFT transactions biometric thumb prints or retina scans would be required for extra security. Already banks and retail outlets are gearing up for biometric scanning as the chip & pin system is flawed.

    Biometric scanning would compliment the implant. Right hand / Right hand thumb print. Chip in forehead / Retina scan. Dual purpose scanners could be developed to read both RFID and thumb prints simultaniously.

    For small transit and cash transactions one would not be required to give a thumb or retina scan (Currently you can buy items under £10 with Oystercard without a pin input)


  • #19
    Run_to_da_hills
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    Kama wrote: »
    You know, before it was mobile phones and RFIDS, the Mark of the Beast was barcodes...Times move on.

    Millions of people including myself were convinced it was the "Barcode" I began to have my doubts because it is a "tattoo" It stretches, it is inaccurate, open to error, line of sight readable only and of course it's not an insert.

    I consider the Barcode as a "lead up" to the mark of the beast. Soon all barcodes will be replaced by Etags. Previously Barcodes were voluntary, now they are mandatory. I can see Etagging becoming mandatory. Cars will have to have them by law, every thing from consumer products, ID cards and eventually you.
    Kama wrote: »
    Plus its good to know the Mark of the Beast can be easily hacked[/url].

    You are correct. Anything made by man can be hacked by man but your thumb print and retina image cannot.

    This is one reason why the hand or forehead would be chosen. For bank and larger EFT transactions biometric thumb prints or retina scans would be required for extra security. Already banks and retail outlets are gearing up for biometric scanning as the chip & pin system is seriously flawed.

    Biometric scanning would compliment the implant. Right hand / Right hand thumb print. Chip in forehead / Retina scan. Dual purpose scanners could be developed to read both RFID and thumb prints simultaniously.

    For small transit and cash transactions one would not be required to give a thumb or retina scan (Currently you can buy items under £10 with Oystercard without a pin input)
    Ciaran500 wrote: »
    OMG that proves it


    Nothing at all to do with about 90% of the worlds population is right handed. Nope, its for the mark of the beast.

    Many reasons for right hand useage, Billions of Muslims would be offended if the left hand was specified.


  • #20
    Smudgeyboy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 153 ✭✭Smudgeyboy


    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    It is inevitable that it is going to happen because the Bible spreaks of it and the Bible cannot lie. Its only a matter of time when it is going to happen.

    The Christian Church (Not Catholic Church) accepts the "Mark of the beast" as the final test for mankind. In other words you live for the world and accept the chip (666) or reject it and live for God.

    You cannot accept both. I know plenty of non Christians that say they would fight tooth and nail against being chipped, They will argue that it is against civil liberties, etc. Bottom line if there is another 9/11 scenario possibly nuclear with corresponding global panic people would think different. The powers that be would have to think of new drastic fool proof measures and such measures would be issued in the interests of "global peace and security".

    There's far, far, far more to it than that.

    You cannot accept both? Says who, the book that this same state gave us and probably wrote, that's who.

    It's a way of organising everyone, If you wont accept you get prison or death. If you do accept- Fine!
    Dont quote me on this -"I saw the faces of those that had been beheaded for their love of God and they lived and reigned with Jesus in Heaven for 10000 years." That is not healthy.

    Why should we trust this Government sponsered book when it's not saying get organised, learn the truth, know your past, etc. It's saying go to prison and/or die, be happy about it and you'll be rewarded.


    The Illuminati and other societys/people have secret knowledge of how the world works, they hardly just know whats in the Bible. I know what's in the Bible, do I know what the Black Pope knows? Of course not.

    If this was the case, if the Illuminati knows so much, how come they dont know they are going to 'hell'. It's a control, no doubt, and I love God.

    Seems to me life is immortal, this whole arguement is a distraction from it's beauty, that's the goal of the Illuminati, to stop any evolved conciousness. There's way more to it!


  • #21
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 25,874 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    It is inevitable that it is going to happen because the Bible spreaks of it and the Bible cannot lie. Its only a matter of time when it is going to happen.

    How do you know the bible cannot lie?

    How do you know the these chips are the "mark of the beast" to which the bible refers?


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  • #22
    Kama
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,027 ✭✭✭Kama


    The Bible may not be able to lie, but it's interpreters can err. Anyone who says otherwise is claiming an arrogance in their powers of interpretation which mocks God.

    Or Something...

    Btw at the point where chipping is mandatory, I too 'run to the hills'.


  • #23
    Run_to_da_hills
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    King Mob wrote: »
    How do you know the bible cannot lie?
    Well the Bible is the Word of God, If you read Titus 1:2 God himself cannot lie.
    "In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began"; Titus 1:2
    King Mob wrote: »
    How do you know the these chips are the "mark of the beast" to which the bible refers?
    According to the Scriptures, the "mark of the beast" is received in the right hand or forehead in order to make a commercial transaction. With modern technology, it is very possible that this mark may be directly linked a subdermal computer chip.

    But regardless if it is or isn't, everyone who is living in the world immediately before the return of Christ will be forced to take this mark in order to buy or sell anything:

    "He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark in his right hand or in his forehead so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name. This calls for wisdom. If anyone has insight, let him calculate the number of the beast, for it is man's number. His number is 666" (Rev. 13:16-18).
    Kama wrote: »
    The Bible may not be able to lie, but it's interpreters can err..
    I agree with you there, The original version of the Bible comes from the "Textus Receptus Greek script". The King James is taken directly from this. There is well over 100 perverted translations issued in the last centuary, each of them have their own copywright, The 1611 King James has no copywright. It is my favourite translation, It is also one of the very few that states that the mark of the beast is IN the hand, All corrupted modern versions state the mark of the beast is on the hand,
    Kama wrote: »

    Anyone who says otherwise is claiming an arrogance in their powers of interpretation which mocks God. ..
    I have issues in the way the Roman Church interprites scripture.
    Kama wrote: »

    Btw at the point where chipping is mandatory, I too 'run to the hills'.

    I can imagine there will be chaos and anarchy, Some Christians believe they will not be around during this time.


  • #24
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 25,874 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    Well the Bible is the Word of God, If you read Titus 1:2 God himself cannot lie.
    "In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began"; Titus 1:2
    How do you know the bible is the word of god?
    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    According to the Scriptures, the "mark of the beast" is received in the right hand or forehead in order to make a commercial transaction. With modern technology, it is very possible that this mark may be directly linked a subdermal computer chip.
    But regardless if it is or isn't, everyone who is living in the world immediately before the return of Christ will be forced to take this mark in order to buy or sell anything:

    "He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark in his right hand or in his forehead so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name. This calls for wisdom. If anyone has insight, let him calculate the number of the beast, for it is man's number. His number is 666" (Rev. 13:16-18).

    How do you know it is referring to rfid chips rather than, say a physical mark or perhaps maybe an idea of racial purity?


  • #25
    Run_to_da_hills
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    King Mob wrote: »
    How do you know the bible is the word of god?
    I accept it as the Word of God.
    King Mob wrote: »



    How do you know it is referring to rfid chips rather than, say a physical mark or perhaps maybe an idea of racial purity?
    I mentioned already that the Greek translation refers to the mark of the beast as IN the hand and IN the forehead and not on.


    Corrupted modern translations of the Bible like the NIV state incorrectly that the mark is on the hand and on forehead which as you say could be a tattoo such as the barcode. This is the reason way I do not believe that the mark of the beast is the Barcode.

    A phisical tattoo would not make any sense, skin stretches, it can be alltered, it fades, can be skin grafted over, it is also unsightly on the other hand the implant is fixed and would be a positive form of identification.


  • #26
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 25,874 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    I accept it as the Word of God.
    Can you explain why you accept it?
    Though I can see your logic taking a distinct roundish shape
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    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    I mentioned already that the Greek translation refers to the mark of the beast as IN the hand and IN the forehead and not on.

    Corrupted modern translations of the Bible like the NIV state incorrectly that the mark is on the hand and on forehead which as you say could be a tattoo such as the barcode. This is the reason way I do not believe that the mark of the beast is the Barcode.

    A phisical tattoo would not make any sense, skin stretches, it can be alltered, it fades, can be skin grafted over, it is also unsightly on the other hand the implant is fixed and would be a positive form of identification.
    But couldn't a chip be taken out of your hand or forehead as easily as it would be to remove a barcode tatoo?

    Any part of the bible that "predicts" anything is very open for interpretation.
    The "Mark of the Beast" could be any number of things for social security numbers to tobacco licenses.

    There is no reason the believe that your prediction of the coming apocalypse is any more accurate than the many, many, many failed predictions.

    To name but a few:
    1792 - Shakers calculated this date.

    1844 - William Miller predicted Christ would return between March 21, 1843 and March 21, 1844, then revised his prediction, claiming to have miscalculated Scripture, to October 22, 1844. Miller's theology gave rise to the Advent movement.
    1
    977 - William M. Branham prophecied that the Rapture would take place in 1977.

    1981 - Chuck Smith undogmatically predicted that Jesus would likely return by 1981.

    1988 - Publication of 88 Reasons why the Rapture is in 1988, by Edgar C. Whisenant.

    1989 - Publication of The final shout: Rapture report 1989, by Edgar Whisenant. More predictions by this author appeared for 1992, 1995, and other years.

    1992 - Korean group "Mission for the Coming Days" predicted October 28, 1992 as the date for the rapture.

    1993 - Seven years before the year 2000. The rapture would have to start to allow for seven years of the Tribulation before the Return in 2000. Multiple predictions.

    1994 - Pastor John Hinkle of Christ Church in Los Angeles predicted June 9, 1994. Radio evangelist Harold Camping predicted September 27, 1994.


  • #27
    Run_to_da_hills
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    King Mob wrote: »
    But couldn't a chip be taken out of your hand or forehead as easily as it would be to remove a barcode tatoo?.
    If it is the Verichip I could imagine it could, however I believe the "Mark" will be minute similar to the Hitachi Powder chip. It will be difficult to locate as it will be tiny.

    If one interferes with it i can imagine it would the same as messing with the RFID chip in your passport (Post Oct 2006) You be denied access to travel, enter states, bank accounts, travel and commercial transactions in other words with out it you will be cut out fromm society without it..
    King Mob wrote: »

    Any part of the bible that "predicts" anything is very open for interpretation.
    The "Mark of the Beast" could be any number of things for social security numbers to tobacco licenses.
    The Mark or implant would contain a your Social security or PPS number or what ever number you will have on your state ID card prior to the mark.

    When the Government issued the RSI number in the 80ies it was origionally required for just two offices. I.E. revenue and the social welfare office in the 1980ies.

    This was changed to thwe PPS number. This number is now required by 64 different offices including: In All social welfare services The Free Travel Pass, Pupil ID, Public health services, including the medical card and the Drugs Payment Scheme,Child immunisation, Schemes run by the Revenue Commissioners, such as Mortgage Interest Relief, Housing grants
    Driver Theory Testing and driver licences. In America the Social welfare number is the same thing.
    King Mob wrote: »
    There is no reason the believe that your prediction of the coming apocalypse is any more accurate than the many, many, many failed predictions.

    To name but a few:
    1792 - Shakers calculated this date.

    1844 - William Miller predicted Christ would return between March 21, 1843 and March 21, 1844, then revised his prediction, claiming to have miscalculated Scripture, to October 22, 1844. Miller's theology gave rise to the Advent movement.
    1
    977 - William M. Branham prophecied that the Rapture would take place in 1977.

    1981 - Chuck Smith undogmatically predicted that Jesus would likely return by 1981.

    1988 - Publication of 88 Reasons why the Rapture is in 1988, by Edgar C. Whisenant.

    1989 - Publication of The final shout: Rapture report 1989, by Edgar Whisenant. More predictions by this author appeared for 1992, 1995, and other years.

    1992 - Korean group "Mission for the Coming Days" predicted October 28, 1992 as the date for the rapture.

    1993 - Seven years before the year 2000. The rapture would have to start to allow for seven years of the Tribulation before the Return in 2000. Multiple predictions.

    1994 - Pastor John Hinkle of Christ Church in Los Angeles predicted June 9, 1994. Radio evangelist Harold Camping predicted September 27, 1994.
    The Difference here is that people have been aware of this prophecy around the world over the last 35 years ever since the barcode became Global. More so when the hidden three numbers in the guard bars were revealed.

    I was made aware of it back as far as 1986. I have books going back on the subject dated 1980 and 1982, 1996, They are quite accurate. (Listed below)

    The early books believed the "mark" to be the barcode as you can see on the covers, they spoke of hand scanners, magnetic strip bank cards, a global government, the world bank,
    economic copllapse of governments and banks. All these were written prior to 9/11.

    http://www.amazon.com/When-Your-Money-Fails-Relfe/dp/0960798609
    http://www.amazon.com/New-Money-System-666/dp/B0006YL7K2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1223175148&sr=8-1
    http://www.amazon.com/Mark-World-Order-Terry-Cook/dp/0883684667

    The Technology and the current economic climate of the world makes Revelation 13 vs 16 to 18 very credible in the not so distant future. I don't like putting dates on any anything.


  • #28
    Smudgeyboy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 153 ✭✭Smudgeyboy


    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    I accept it as the Word of God.
    I mentioned already that the Greek translation refers to the mark of the beast as IN the hand and IN the forehead and not on.


    Corrupted modern translations of the Bible like the NIV state incorrectly that the mark is on the hand and on forehead which as you say could be a tattoo such as the barcode. This is the reason way I do not believe that the mark of the beast is the Barcode.

    A phisical tattoo would not make any sense, skin stretches, it can be alltered, it fades, can be skin grafted over, it is also unsightly on the other hand the implant is fixed and would be a positive form of identification.
    My questions wernt even attempted!

    It's a book that has been edited/translated/intrepreted by Masons, the same as the Lisbon Treaty guides that were handed out. Dont trust them!

    I'm all for God and love, another definition of these is TRUTH.
    That is not what the message of that book is.

    I mean, if we're all sitting round not doing a thing because we all think Jesus is coming and he'd be annoyed if we killed anyone, their job isnt going to be too hard is it?

    "Jesus is coming, you'll see", but this same guy is happy to be beheaded because it means, according to the Bible, he's going to Heaven. Nice and easy!

    Love your enemy! That's against human nature, it's not healthy and it can get you into all sorts of trouble.
    The fact that you even have enemys suggests you are unenlightened...that book is so behind what Jesus was trying to say it's ridiculous.

    I mean, the book has been handled by Masons for God knows how long, possibly forever.

    The main emphasis is faith, considering there's no need, there's huge amounts of evidence of Jesus that they are hiding, why is this? It's because the Jesus recorded in the past is not the one the wine drinking one they are telling us of.

    Also, the fact that the attitude is that nothing can be done about all this. So we are 6+Billion everyone created in the image of the almighty, and we're not even as good as one son? Isnt that nepotism on behalf of the creator?

    If we should ask all the questions we can about our Government, why not ask the same of our religions?

    "I am the truth and the light, ask me no questions I tell no lies" Is that what Jesus said? NO!

    Jesus' message was raped by Masons centuries ago, as were the messages of alot of enlightened humans that are worshipped in other religions. You need to check out William Henry!

    That's a picture of Jesus riding a stargate
    http://www.williamhenry.net/images/stargateCruci/sgc_01.jpg
    Here's Shiva riding same Stargate
    http://www.spaceandmotion.com/Images/philosophy/shiva-hindu-god.jpg

    Look up nearly every being that's worshipped on Earth, they all ride this Stargate device. They all say we can do this. The most enlightened civilisations were Shaman.

    This is evidence and a founding for a belief system, believe in yourself.

    We are all capable of this, that's why Jesus' words "All these things I do, you can do and more" were taken out from the Bible. Check out my Christianity/Shaman thread!


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    Run_to_da_hills
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    Smudgeyboy wrote: »
    My questions wernt even attempted!

    It's a book that has been edited/translated/intrepreted by Masons,
    This is evidence and a founding for a belief system, believe in yourself.

    We are all capable of this, that's why Jesus' words "All these things I do, you can do and more" were taken out from the Bible. Check out my Christianity/Shaman thread!
    I believe that the Bible is the source of all truth. It has been butchered down through the centuries by various cults and religious organisations such as the Roman Catholic Church and as you say the Masons. They have added and changed wording and phrases in the Bible to discredit them.


    I hold them totally responsible for doctoring the wording in Revelation 13 in their attempt to discredit the Mark of the Beast as an implant.

    One must avoid all corrupt modern translations to get the real truth. The most accurate of all translations is the Greek "Textus Receptus" and most accurate of English translations is of course the 1611 Authorised King James which is a direct transaltion from this.


    The Masons did not write the Bible it is a book that is inspired by God, "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness" 2 Timothy 3vs16.


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    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    If it is the Verichip I could imagine it could, however I believe the "Mark" will be minute similar to the Hitachi Powder chip. It will be difficult to locate as it will be tiny.

    If one interferes with it i can imagine it would the same as messing with the RFID chip in your passport (Post Oct 2006) You be denied access to travel, enter states, bank accounts, travel and commercial transactions in other words with out it you will be cut out fromm society without it..

    The Mark or implant would contain a your Social security or PPS number or what ever number you will have on your state ID card prior to the mark.

    When the Government issued the RSI number in the 80ies it was origionally required for just two offices. I.E. revenue and the social welfare office in the 1980ies.

    This was changed to thwe PPS number. This number is now required by 64 different offices including: In All social welfare services The Free Travel Pass, Pupil ID, Public health services, including the medical card and the Drugs Payment Scheme,Child immunisation, Schemes run by the Revenue Commissioners, such as Mortgage Interest Relief, Housing grants
    Driver Theory Testing and driver licences. In America the Social welfare number is the same thing.

    The Difference here is that people have been aware of this prophecy around the world over the last 35 years ever since the barcode became Global. More so when the hidden three numbers in the guard bars were revealed.

    I was made aware of it back as far as 1986. I have books going back on the subject dated 1980 and 1982, 1996, They are quite accurate. (Listed below)

    The early books believed the "mark" to be the barcode as you can see on the covers, they spoke of hand scanners, magnetic strip bank cards, a global government, the world bank,
    economic copllapse of governments and banks. All these were written prior to 9/11.

    http://www.amazon.com/When-Your-Money-Fails-Relfe/dp/0960798609
    http://www.amazon.com/New-Money-System-666/dp/B0006YL7K2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1223175148&sr=8-1
    http://www.amazon.com/Mark-World-Order-Terry-Cook/dp/0883684667

    The Technology and the current economic climate of the world makes Revelation 13 vs 16 to 18 very credible in the not so distant future. I don't like putting dates on any anything.
    You haven't really explained why your prediction is any more accurate or feasible than the hundreds of failed predictions.
    The mark of the beast can be interpreted as rfid chips among a whole host of modern objects and concepts. However there are certain things in revelations that seem a little far fetched, like soldiers riding horses with lions heads and such.

    But why exactly is the king james bible "the most accurate"?


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    Run_to_da_hills
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    King Mob wrote: »
    You haven't really explained why your prediction is any more accurate or feasible than the hundreds of failed predictions.
    The mark of the beast can be interpreted as rfid chips among a whole host of modern objects and concepts. However there are certain things in revelations that seem a little far fetched, like soldiers riding horses with lions heads and such.

    But why exactly is the king james bible "the most accurate"?
    All those predictions you mentioned specify dates. These dates have passed and nothing has become of them.

    There are no dates mentioned in scripture, not even when the earth was formed and when it will end.

    However scripture gives us clues of what will happen towards the end times, "For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places" (Matthew 24) worldwide Knowledge increasing, global travel. "But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased" Daniel 12 vs 4

    The Bible speaks of a global government its religious wing and its dictator (Antichrist). One clue to this Global Government is as I already mentioned over and over again is its commercial system which is currently being rolled out across the globe.


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