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Where do the different Irish accents comes from?

  • 16-01-2020 8:30pm
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    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,483 ✭✭✭


    I've been living here for 11 years now and don't know why North Dublin has a harsh accent while going to Stillorgan, you meet people who sound English. Wasn't the whole of Dublin (formerly the Pale) completely controlled by the English? Shouldn't most people have an Irish/English twang?


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 784 ✭✭✭LaFuton


    they come from the space between the teeth of a comb beyond the ninth wave.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,767 ✭✭✭Pinch Flat


    Ger outta dat


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 991 ✭✭✭TuringBot47


    Where do the different Irish accents comes from?

    The vocal chords.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 784 ✭✭✭LaFuton


    very vocal dem cords


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,255 ✭✭✭Ubbquittious


    In the good old days they had 'accent clubs' where bland-speaking folk got together to form a new accent. Initially they'd agree on a few rules then theyd meet up every week and practice for a few hours. Eventually they started speaking like that all the time and they would go into competition with neighbouring clubs. If they had kids at home they'd be brought into it as well.

    When the government got wind of it they were of course horrified and came up with elocution classes to counter the movement


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,078 ✭✭✭IAMAMORON


    It is phenotypical.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,222 ✭✭✭✭RMAOK


    How many threads is that today op?

    Are you on some sort of commission for each thread you start? :confused:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,275 ✭✭✭Your Face


    I cant say that the Stilllorgan area accent sounds like any English accent.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 32,688 ✭✭✭✭ytpe2r5bxkn0c1


    It's the same everywhere. Any city will have several distinct accents. Even in the town near us you can tell which of at least four areas somebody is from by their accent.

    The linguistic reasons are complicated but accents and dialects develop and find influence from other nearby accents, dialects and languages, and populations develop their own speech traits that are unique to them. This can happen over a relatively small area.

    But you probably don't care about that and want a class, or socio economic, reason.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,682 ✭✭✭This is it


    Your ma


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,641 ✭✭✭✭bodhrandude


    If you go up North, North West the accent seems to be influenced by Scotland, especially if you go down Antrim way as the Scottish coast is closest there. The same with Cork and Kerry near the Welsh coast the accents can have a similar sound but apart from that, I can't tell why other dialects can be so different.

    If you want to get into it, you got to get out of it. (Hawkwind 1982)



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,995 ✭✭✭Ipso


    If you go up North, North West the accent seems to be influenced by Scotland, especially if you go down Antrim way as the Scottish coast is closest there. The same with Cork and Kerry near the Welsh coast the accents can have a similar sound but apart from that, I can't tell why other dialects can be so different.

    Or both had the same influence.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,858 ✭✭✭Church on Tuesday


    I've been living here for 11 years now and don't know why North Dublin has a harsh accent while going to Stillorgan, you meet people who sound English. Wasn't the whole of Dublin (formerly the Pale) completely controlled by the English? Shouldn't most people have an Irish/English twang?

    Well, no.

    Ireland was colonised by the English (and invaded by others prior of course) so naturally the native Irish, whilst adapting the English language purely to survive and get by, would retain their natural speaking accents in another language.

    Now Americanised inflections in certain peoples speech these days, that's another matter...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,012 ✭✭✭uch


    I love Stillorgan, because if you translate it to Irish its called Mickey Marbh

    21/25



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,995 ✭✭✭Ipso


    uch wrote: »
    I love Stillorgan, because if you translate it to Irish its called Mickey Marbh

    Hoigh Foive


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,012 ✭✭✭uch


    Ipso wrote: »
    Hoigh Foive

    giphy.gif

    21/25



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,230 ✭✭✭jaxxx


    Where does your need for all these questions come from.. .. ..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,238 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    Deja Boo wrote: »
    They come from Cork... like


    Cork doesn't really have an accent except for a few areas.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 92,450 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    Adenoids.

    At least in Dublin as legend would have it.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,170 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    saabsaab wrote: »
    Cork doesn't really have an accent
    ye wha? Ehh, yes it does.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 11,645 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    saabsaab wrote: »
    Cork doesn't really have an accent except for a few areas.

    Has a few of them.
    They even found their way to the carribean.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 803 ✭✭✭machaseh


    Well, as far as the Irish language goes (or any indigenous language to an area for that matter), it must have always had different dialects from time immemorial as in the past, travelling to different areas was much harder than it is now so different dialects also develop. Then when the brits came to Ireland, people who were speaking different Irish dialects must have influenced their english differently according to their dialect.

    Secondly, people from different parts of England must have settled different areas in Ireland and brought their own dialects with them.

    Thirdly, and in the context of Dublin most importantly, social class is a very big influence to dialect. People in South dublin who are generally more affluent must have been way more influenced by posher and higher-class English dialects than working class people in North Dublin. It could have also been that people in working class areas in north Dublin switched from Irish to English later than upper class people in South Dublin.

    Where I am from in the Netherlands, every province has its own traditional dialect, some of which (like the one I speak aside from standard Dutch) are hardly intelligible for people who only speak Standard Dutch. And within the provinces you can often hear which village people are from based on the dialect.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    We had a visitor in the house last September who lived in an area of Toronto with a large Caribbean community. I had the All Ireland football final on in the other room, and at half time Pat Spillane was giving his analysis of the game. After a minute she shouts in from next door, 'why is there a guy from Trinidad being interviewed?'


    To answer your first question OP, the accent from county Louth the whole way down the coast to Waterford is influenced by the Vikings, with the exception of South county Dublin, and North county Wicklow, which was heavily influenced by the British accent. This is often referred to as Colonial Lag.

    For example, the southern states of America have a distinctive drawl which has survived from the first British settlers 400 years ago. This was the Elizabethan English that many of the first settlers would have spoken. (Elvis, George Bush etc) The letter 'a' would be placed before a verb eg. 'a running'..... 'a hunting' etc.

    Also, the word 'bug' is used with regard to sickness or flu. This has survived from Elizabethan times in the southern states, whereas the accent and phrases in the mother country (Britain) has long since completely changed.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 92,450 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    saabsaab wrote: »
    Cork doesn't really have an accent except for a few areas.
    Oh wow.

    Even the locals can't understand the lads from the mountains

    It's not english with some accent. It's accent with some english.


  • Registered Users Posts: 90 ✭✭MoashoaM


    Waterfords accent comes from de normalos and the subsequent anglo/frenchie groups that escaped from the continent.
    or so the germans would have us believe.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,442 ✭✭✭forzacalcio


    Always wondered why the Cork accent had a similar twang to Caribbean accents with some words.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,184 ✭✭✭riclad


    People in middle class area,s tend to have a neutral accent ,not a dublin accent,theres also the dart accent.
    theres a few dublin working class accents .
    i heard actors in interviews, saying when they went to oxford,
    they dropped their working class accent, and adopted a more upper class neutral accent.
    cork has its own accent, theres a few different northern irish accents.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Cromwell allegedly sent thousands of Irish to the Caribbean as slaves in the 1600's, but I see some websites 'debunking' this myth. Im sticking by what I was always told, Irish were sent as slaves to the Caribbean.



    many of you will have seen this already


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,238 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    What I should have said is that the educated Cork has a neutral accent. Other Irish accents are plus and minus on its sound.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,907 ✭✭✭LostinBlanch


    Oh wow.

    Even the locals can't understand the lads from the mountains

    It's not english with some accent. It's accent with some english.



    Just to prove a point. It gets really interesting about 42 seconds in. ;)


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