George H W Bush has died

SharpshooterTom · 01-12-2018 1:13pm

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

So Jimmy Carter has now outlived the two Republican Presidents who came after him. His days must be numbered too as he is only a few months younger than Bush.

He's been much healthier and more active than Bush Snr for a good few years now.

Earlier this year he was stumping for Stacy Abrams in the Georgia gubernatorial race.

He was on Colbert's show earlier this year, seems in pretty good shape. This is of course after beating Brain Cancer at 90, wouldn't surprise me if Carter passes 100.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQR5G3kvfNQ&t=147s

Billy Mays · 01-12-2018 1:16pm

I've read some mental things on this forum over the years but Trump getting Puerto Rico back on it's feet after hurricane Maria surpasses the lot

Mad_maxx · 01-12-2018 1:20pm

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

He was a bomber?

I don’t get the hate for Bush 1. The first Iraq war was justified and authorised by the U.N. as I recall. Also he was pretty smart. Are people confusing him with his son?

The real craziness in US policy began post 2001.

The first gulf War was only justified in so far as the pupett state of Kuwait was important for the west in terms of energy

01-12-2018 1:23pm

Mookie Blaylock wrote:

Not twisting your words... you're the one calling the black man a bomber.... your excuses ring hollow... dunno if your post is racist, or ignorant of reality... but won't be engaging anymore with the likes of that, thank you

The 'black man' was a bomber. It wasn't racist (you brought up the race of the individual) nor was it ignorant as it was correct.

But you already know this.

It's amazing the lengths that some people will go to get the feeling of misplaced self righteousness that goes along with shouting "racist" at other people.

oblivious to the fact that they are diluting the word racist to such an extent that it starts to mean nothing. Not too long ago, I would have been appalled to have been labeled a racist. These days, it's shorthand for some people to say "you have a different opinion than me and I don't like it".

I'd say actual racists are delighted.

rossie1977 · 01-12-2018 1:26pm

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Well the first thing is to rebalance trade with China you may have missed the "Coach" on the air conditioning factory. He is also running a war with auto trade manuacturers who want to move manufacturing outside the USA and then import the cars back into the US. The stories how 200 North Korean scientists blew themselves up in an "accidental" explosion at a research facility? See how he devoted time and resources to getting Peurto Rico back on its feet? See how Hati is doing since the Clintons and Bono lent a helping hand? See how Al Queda was run out of Raqqua and Allepo in 6 months? Russian and US cooperation. 10 Billion worth of Arms Sales to Saudi Arabia in one contract? That is doing business. You are worried about what colour his hair roots are and a $500 hooker, while he is fixing the economy. You never see that stuff on the front page, its always on pages 6&7 on the inside columns

Trade wars never end well. Probably a reason Dow Jones index was lower last week than same week a year ago.

Carrier thing made headline news and they still moved the jobs to Mexico anyway.

Trump rewarded the car manufacturers with a huge tax cuts which they used to buy back their shares. Gm announcing this week they are closing multiple plants and laying off 15,000 workers.

Are you trying to say Trump killed those scientists. North Korea were undertaking underground nuclear tests in the most seismic region on Earth and the mountain collapsed..that's what happened.

Thousands of people didn't have power in PR nearly a year after hurricane happened https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/puerto-rico-hurricane-season-maria-without-power-electricity-us-weather-a8379646.html

Russia and us cooperation..give examples

Selling $100 billion of weapons to a regime who murder American based journalists probably isn't an achievement to boast about.

The_Kew_Tour · 01-12-2018 1:27pm

It never amazes me how people are quick to forget.

Same here. He us not the worst now. When Trump is long gone in 30 years they say same about him

Fr Tod Umptious · 01-12-2018 1:29pm

Don't know if it has been mentioned yet but in recent decades losing a presidential race is the key to long life.

Bush was 94
Cater is 94
Ford was 94
McGovern was 90
Mondale is 90
Dukakis is 85
Poor Nixon died at a youthful 81

Franz Von Peppercorn · 01-12-2018 1:29pm

Mad_maxx wrote: »

The first gulf War was only justified in so far as the pupett state of Kuwait was important for the west in terms of energy

It was justified because it was an illegal invasion and the U.N. authorised the war.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_678

On Iraq wars you need to believe the opposite of Chris Hitchens.

skooterblue2 · 01-12-2018 1:38pm

Billy Mays wrote: »

I've read some mental things on this forum over the years but Trump getting Puerto Rico back on it's feet after hurricane Maria surpasses the lot

I never said it was perfect but it is a hell of a lot better than what Haiti looks like after the Clintons brought in Dennis O Brien to rape it properly. My buddy was out there and they are stripping its natural resources like a fire sale.

Cork Boy 53 · 01-12-2018 1:45pm

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Don't know if it has been mentioned yet but in recent decades losing a presidential race is the key to long life.

Bush was 94
Cater is 94
Ford was 94
McGovern was 90
Mondale is 90
Dukakis is 85
Poor Nixon died at a youthful 81

On the other hand Ronald Reagan died at age 93. The exception that proves the rule?

skooterblue2 · 01-12-2018 1:59pm

rossie1977 wrote: »

Trade wars never end well. Probably a reason Dow Jones index was lower last week than same week a year ago.

Carrier thing made headline news and they still moved the jobs to Mexico anyway.

Trump rewarded the car manufacturers with a huge tax cuts which they used to buy back their shares. Gm announcing this week they are closing multiple plants and laying off 15,000 workers.

Are you trying to say Trump killed those scientists. North Korea were undertaking underground nuclear tests in the most seismic region on Earth and the mountain collapsed..that's what happened.

Thousands of people didn't have power in PR nearly a year after hurricane happened https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/puerto-rico-hurricane-season-maria-without-power-electricity-us-weather-a8379646.html

Russia and us cooperation..give examples

Selling $100 billion of weapons to a regime who murder American based journalists probably isn't an achievement to boast about.

The Stock market was at an all time high last year, still better than anything under Obama.
That was carriers decision to move to Mexico, but in doing so they lost the right to bid for any US government contracts.
Yeah these car manufacturers need to be brought into line but it Government intervention that saved these corrupt CEO's when they should be allowed burn. America is a different style economy where you can crash and burn and restart. The American car manufacturers have been saved once too often by the Government.
I am saying that it is a bit of a co incidence that an accident happened and suddenly the North Koreans are around the negotiating table, when they couldnt be encouraged they by closer allies like China and Russia before.

In Syria, Obama vetoed down 75% of the Air strikes. Within 6 months of office Alleppo and Raqqua are abandoned with hostages taken. Russian cut the supply lines for ISIS to the Front. The American fought the rest of the battle. Nothing scarier than being told there is no water, Ammo and food in that order, guys really lose it when they hear there is no relief either.

Yeah there is a whole infrastructure thing going on with Peurto Rico but it looks a whole lot better than Haiti. Peurto Rico is a second world country. The stories I hear from people on the ground in Haiti about how they are stripping asset and laundering money is unreal. They are at that over 5-6 years since Sandy?

That journalist was a small price to pay in the great scheme of things. If it keeps American families off the poverty line then that is a sacrifice I would be willing to make. Irish politicians have sold out much more for much less. Re: Dell Ireland and Bertie Ahern

skooterblue2 · 01-12-2018 2:01pm

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

On the other hand Ronald Reagan died at age 93. The exception that proves the rule?

Reagan would have lived longer if he hadnt been shot. George Bush was supposed to step in to be President for the second term. Reagan never wanted George Bush as a running mate.

xi5yvm0owc1s2b · 01-12-2018 3:07pm

Has Michael D. Higgins come out yet to hail him as a "giant among global leaders"? Or is that kind of rhetoric reserved for deceased dictators?

Mookie Blaylock · 01-12-2018 3:13pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The 'black man' was a bomber. It wasn't racist (you brought up the race of the individual) nor was it ignorant as it was correct.

But you already know this.

It's amazing the lengths that some people will go to get the feeling of misplaced self righteousness that goes along with shouting "racist" at other people.

oblivious to the fact that they are diluting the word racist to such an extent that it starts to mean nothing. Not too long ago, I would have been appalled to have been labeled a racist. These days, it's shorthand for some people to say "you have a different opinion than me and I don't like it".

I'd say actual racists are delighted.

I'm sure you had a point amongst all this right wing rethoric...it may have gotten lost.

01-12-2018 3:28pm

Mookie Blaylock wrote: »

I'm sure you had a point amongst all this right wing rethoric...it may have gotten lost.

You called me racist and you call this right wing. You've just proven his point. These words mean absolutely nothing to you.

I say it was you bringing up skin and you called me racist. It's so ridiculous, I'm not sure if you're just a troll.

WoollyRedHat · 01-12-2018 3:34pm

I'm sure the people of the ME will send thoughts and prayers to the Bush family.

Or perhaps the family members of those who were killed in the USS Vincennes airline shootown by the US military in 1988 despite posing no threat to them, I'm sure they will mourn for him. George who was Vice President at the time of the mass murder had this to say in response to the `accident ' : After the Vincennes shot down Flight 655, as Fred Kaplan noted in his Slate piece, Vice President George H. W. Bush responded by saying, “I will never apologize for the United States of America—I don’t care what the facts are.” A true patriot indeed. I hope they write that as his epitaph, that must be the allegiance that every US president in modern times swears to, it certainly rings true...

Mookie Blaylock · 01-12-2018 3:35pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

You called me racist and you call this right wing. You've just proven his point. These words mean absolutely nothing to you.

I say it was you bringing up skin and you called me racist. It's so ridiculous, I'm not sure if you're just a troll.

And no mention of the fact you were mocking people with disabilities?!... shameful carry on

Skylinehead · 01-12-2018 3:45pm

Deleted User wrote: »

You called me racist and you call this right wing. You've just proven his point. These words mean absolutely nothing to you.

I say it was you bringing up skin and you called me racist. It's so ridiculous, I'm not sure if you're just a troll.

Mookie Blaylock wrote: »

And no mention of the fact you were mocking people with disabilities?!... shameful carry on

Give it a rest ffs.

01-12-2018 3:51pm

Mookie Blaylock wrote:

I'm sure you had a point amongst all this right wing rethoric...it may have gotten lost.

Point proven. Nothing I said was right wing

Mookie Blaylock wrote:

And no mention of the fact you were mocking people with disabilities?!... shameful carry on

What's shameful is your blatant trolling and obvious deflection.

rossie1977 · 01-12-2018 4:12pm

skooterblue2 wrote: »

The Stock market was at an all time high last year, still better than anything under Obama.

Stock market rise is due to the policies Obama implemented over past decade and the fed keeping interest rates low. Stock market rose to all time high levels of 14k+ under Bush Jr too circa 2003-06 but eventually his incompetence saw the Dow crash to ~6.5k

That was carriers decision to move to Mexico, but in doing so they lost the right to bid for any US government contracts.

They don't care. They got a huge government relief package and still moved anyway

Yeah these car manufacturers need to be brought into line but it Government intervention that saved these corrupt CEO's when they should be allowed burn. America is a different style economy where you can crash and burn and restart. The American car manufacturers have been saved once too often by the Government.

Had the car manufacturers collapsed in 2008-09 then they would likely have taken many of the big banks with them and the rest of economy would have followed resulting in a worse depression than the 1930s so in that situation federal aid was warranted.

Us corporations last year reported highest profits in history so there was zero need to give them huge tax cuts..which is my point.

I am saying that it is a bit of a co incidence that an accident happened and suddenly the North Koreans are around the negotiating table, when they couldnt be encouraged they by closer allies like China and Russia before.

North Korea didn't agree to anything though. Trump was the one giving concessions.

The North Koreans for decades have wanted the Americans to legitimize their regime and Trump did that.

In Syria, Obama vetoed down 75% of the Air strikes. Within 6 months of office Alleppo and Raqqua are abandoned with hostages taken. Russian cut the supply lines for ISIS to the Front. The American fought the rest of the battle. Nothing scarier than being told there is no water, Ammo and food in that order, guys really lose it when they hear there is no relief either.

Once Fallujah was captured isis as a serious entity were done. Experts were saying ISIS were defeated before 2016 us election giving timelines which turned out to be pretty exact https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/716306/ISIS-finished-When-will-Islamic-State-be-defeated-Iraq-Syria-daesh

Yeah there is a whole infrastructure thing going on with Peurto Rico but it looks a whole lot better than Haiti. Peurto Rico is a second world country. The stories I hear from people on the ground in Haiti about how they are stripping asset and laundering money is unreal. They are at that over 5-6 years since Sandy?

Haiti isn't part of the us, PR is, so not comparable. Also Haiti has always been far poorer than PR. Haiti is also hit with more natural catastrophes that pr with a major earthquake in 2010 coupled with a direct hit from Matthew in 2016 just the most recent.

That journalist was a small price to pay in the great scheme of things. If it keeps American families off the poverty line then that is a sacrifice I would be willing to make. Irish politicians have sold out much more for much less. Re: Dell Ireland and Bertie Ahern

Sorry can't agree. Selling weapons to an authoritarian who eliminates any opposition to his leadership isn't going to end well.

There are lots of other ways to keep families off poverty line like raising minimum wage, implementing an actual welfare system, some form of universal healthcare (like the rest of world) or lowering education costs. Us have 3 million homeless and that number is rising so Saudi deal didn't help those people.

Bertie was a crook but he wasn't jailing family members, ordering journalists to be cut into pieces and bombing children in neighbouring countries

frag420 · 01-12-2018 4:23pm

Sciprio wrote: »

I will not shed a tear for a terrorist who killed inocent people and then then gave birth to a terrorist just to send innocent people to their deaths just to compete or surpass their daddies unfinished business.

Didn't realise he gave birth to George Jr, what the hell was Barbara doing, running the country?

Gimme A Pound · 01-12-2018 4:55pm

"... and since I'd achieved all my goals as president in one term, there was no need for a second. The end."

Subcomandante Marcos · 01-12-2018 5:10pm

A man who while VP was part of an administration that ordered the muder of 290 civilians aboard an airliner and then refused to "apologise for America" as well as being involved with proping up umpteen tinpot dictators and being complicit in the importation of cocaine into the US via Panama by the Medellin cartel.

He's no hero, and no loss.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 01-12-2018 5:18pm

Milani Thundering Home wrote: »

"Now, are there any questions? Keeping in mind that I already explained about my hair."

“Don’t understand lemonade myself. Not my forte.”

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 01-12-2018 5:27pm

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

It never amazes me how people are quick to forget.

Same here. He us not the worst now. When Trump is long gone in 30 years they say same about him

I’m pretty sure that some presidents are remembered as being very poor or mediocre in retrospect. Certainly I’ve read a few articles on the subject. In mainstream newspapers, not dusty, fusty, esoteric publications. It’s not true that history smiles on them all.

There is no guarantee that Americans will have goldfish memory about Trump or any recent president for that matter. My dislike of Charlie Haughey hasn’t lessened over the years. And I’m not even a political person. A lot of people ARE really interested in politics, unlike me, and they won’t forget what they disliked about whatever leader they didn’t like. My father, with little provocation, can enter full-blooded rants about politicians he disliked back in the day.

And if others revise their view of a politician, they might have thought it through well.

Franz Von Peppercorn · 01-12-2018 6:01pm

Mookie Blaylock wrote: »

I'm sure you had a point amongst all this right wing rethoric...it may have gotten lost.

You’ve pretty much admitted in another thread you are trolling here.

It’s not very good trolling.

WoollyRedHat · 01-12-2018 6:03pm

"If the people were to ever find out what we have done, we would be chased down the streets and lynched' about the Iran contra affair. The sycophantic praise of this guy by media outlets is something else. He was the Head of the CIA for gods sake.

Franz Von Peppercorn · 01-12-2018 6:04pm

It’s odd the supporters of Trump also supporting Saudi. Saudi is the enemy of the west.

WoollyRedHat · 01-12-2018 6:09pm

Interesting read-

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/the-dirty-secrets-of-george-bush-71927/

frosty123 · 01-12-2018 7:05pm

well Frank Drebin liked him....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oo5uUaDI1YI

RobbingBandit · 01-12-2018 7:53pm

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Don't know if it has been mentioned yet but in recent decades losing a presidential race is the key to long life.

Bush was 94
Cater is 94
Ford was 94
McGovern was 90
Mondale is 90
Dukakis is 85
Poor Nixon died at a youthful 81

Nixon will make a triumphant return in 3000

Nixon's coming back arooooooooo

skooterblue2 · 01-12-2018 10:17pm

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

It’s odd the supporters of Trump also supporting Saudi. Saudi is the enemy of the west.

Middle eastern violence is all good with me as long as it stays there but when they bring that stuff over here its a different matter.....

01-12-2018 10:19pm

He was a walking conspiracy theory. Good riddance

Subcomandante Marcos · 01-12-2018 10:20pm

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Middle eastern violence is all good with me as long as it stays there but when they bring that stuff over here its a different matter.....

You do see the irony of what you're saying right?

buried · 01-12-2018 10:22pm

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Middle eastern violence is all good with me as long as it stays there but when they bring that stuff over here its a different matter.....

The Saudi's brought the violence everywhere, fire all over the globe, including the west. 15 of the 9/11 plane hijackers were Saudi.

skooterblue2 · 01-12-2018 10:31pm

buried wrote: »

The Saudi's brought the violence everywhere, fire all over the globe, including the west. 15 of the 9/11 plane hijackers were Saudi.

Meh I am not convinced of that since some of them turned up alive and well. I am more going with the CIA/Mossad Black Flag.

buried · 01-12-2018 10:34pm

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Meh I am not convinced of that since some of them turned up alive and well. I am more going with the CIA/Mossad Black Flag.

Whats that story about?

skooterblue2 · 01-12-2018 10:45pm

buried wrote: »

Whats that story about?

Really? There are LOADS of Books on it. It is not important that the twin towers happened ....... but what went on around it that day.
Loads of Gold went missing out of the Federal Reserve unaccounted for beneath the twin towers. Then a whistle blower was going to talk all about corrupt practices at some bank. Then Some other building just spontaneously blew up for no reason. The part of the pentagon that was hit was mothballed for maintenance, 100 people killed in the pentagon had no legends. Airplane fuel (Kerosene) burns but does not explode....... man the list goes on and on

buried · 01-12-2018 10:48pm

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Really? There are LOADS of Books on it. It is not important that the twin towers happened ....... but what went on around it that day.
Loads of Gold went missing out of the Federal Reserve unaccounted for beneath the twin towers. Then a whistle blower was going to talk all about corrupt practices at some bank. Then Some other building just spontaneously blew up for no reason. The part of the pentagon that was hit was mothballed for maintenance, 100 people killed in the pentagon had no legends. Airplane fuel (Kerosene) burns but does not explode....... man the list goes on and on

I'm sure there are skoot, there's loads of books about alien abductions too, but y'know, ya got to be careful what you read.

Fair enough man, but if you want to believe that an huge American intelligence agency, the 1000's of people behind such a group, was behind that attack and not, y'know, the vile fascist wahhabi Islamist trash from the Arabian Gulf that actually were behind it, and they were, I don't know what to say to ya. Bin Laden owned up to it, Al-Zawahiri owned up to it, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed owened up to it, he even owned up to coming up with the initial idea of it. The funds for the attack came from SA. 15 of the buckos came from Saudi Arabia. Those are facts. Who from the CIA/Mossad owned up to any of it?

tuxy · 01-12-2018 10:50pm

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Airplane fuel (Kerosene) burns but does not explode....... man the list goes on and on

It burns at such a rate that it looks like an explosion. Definitely a large change in air pressure from it which is the definition of an explosion. I've seen it in countless videos of jet planes crashing.

Skylinehead · 01-12-2018 10:51pm

RobbingBandit wrote: »

Nixon will make a triumphant return in 3000

Nixon's coming back arooooooooo

Nothing to be worried about

nullzero · 01-12-2018 11:08pm

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Really? There are LOADS of Books on it. It is not important that the twin towers happened ....... but what went on around it that day.
Loads of Gold went missing out of the Federal Reserve unaccounted for beneath the twin towers. Then a whistle blower was going to talk all about corrupt practices at some bank. Then Some other building just spontaneously blew up for no reason. The part of the pentagon that was hit was mothballed for maintenance, 100 people killed in the pentagon had no legends. Airplane fuel (Kerosene) burns but does not explode....... man the list goes on and on

Wasn't the security for the WTC run by a company owned by a member of the Bush family too?

There's so many things around 9-11 that don't add up, whatever about the conspiracies around the day itself, why did the W Bush administration never answer for allowing the worst terrorist incident ever on American soil to happen?

Why when Bush and Cheney appeared to give evidence to the 9-11 commission was it done behind closed doors and not recorded?
Why were those same people never held to account for the millions of people killed predicated on the notion of non existent WMD's?

People have short and selective memories, it's easier to bury your head in the sand than to accept that the likes of the Bushes would use any situation to turn a profit for themselves and their cronies, they don't care about people dying.

AllForIt · 01-12-2018 11:10pm

I aways though he had a rather odd demeanor about him. I don't know if he felt awkward in front of the camera or what it was. He certainly wasn't good in front of the camera in the way Bill Clinton was and I never heard him make a good emotive speech either. He never would have been president if it wasn't for Regan making him vice and the Dems having such a poor candidate in Michael Dukakis.

skooterblue2 · 01-12-2018 11:27pm

AllForIt wrote: »

I aways though he had a rather odd demeanor about his. I don't know if he felt awkward in front of the camera or what it was. He certainly wasn't good in front of the camera in the way Bill Clinton was and I never heard him make a good emotive speech either. He never would have been president if it wasn't for Regan making him vice and the Dems having such a poor candidate in Michael Dukakis.

Regan was supposed to die and Bush was supposed to be President(88-92). Regan was forced into choosing him for VP. For the second Term of office for Regan it was really Bush Cheney and Rumsfeld that were running the office. Maybe it turned out that way for a reason like when the Republicans ran John McCain for President. If you cant win then run some dead weight looser that you can blame and ditch later.

skooterblue2 · 01-12-2018 11:30pm

nullzero wrote: »

Wasn't the security for the WTC run by a company owned by a member of the Bush family too?

There's so many things around 9-11 that don't add up, whatever about the conspiracies around the day itself, why did the W Bush administration never answer for allowing the worst terrorist incident ever on American soil to happen?

Why when Bush and Cheney appeared to give evidence to the 9-11 commission was it done behind closed doors and not recorded?
Why were those same people never held to account for the millions of people killed predicated on the notion of non existent WMD's?

People have short and selective memories, it's easier to bury your head in the sand than to accept that the likes of the Bushes would use any situation to turn a profit for themselves and their cronies, they don't care about people dying.

The important thing is that They got to go into Iraq when it was on its last knees and grab the oil and assetts and turn a nice profit for BlackWater and the Carlton group and that is what is important.

skooterblue2 · 01-12-2018 11:32pm

tuxy wrote: »

It burns at such a rate that it looks like an explosion. Definitely a large change in air pressure from it which is the definition of an explosion. I've seen it in videos of jet planes crashing.

Look at the video of the twin towers. It doesnt blow up .... it blows out at the bottom like structural demolition charge. If it was hit at the top, why would it collapse like that at the base?

tuxy · 01-12-2018 11:49pm

First can we agree that jet fuel can explode and frequently does when jet planes crash?

skooterblue2 · 01-12-2018 11:51pm

tuxy wrote: »

First can we agree that jet fuel can explode and frequently does when jet planes crash?

Sure, I actually dont watch videos of real plane crashes in my spare time. Sure I will watch an action film but even I know they are done for effect. In fact I have never seen a real plane crash or explosion that I looked at from a technical perspective. Are you someway qualified in that area, because I am honestly not.

tuxy · 01-12-2018 11:52pm

Now can you explain why you claimed otherwise only a few posts ago?

skooterblue2 · 01-12-2018 11:59pm

tuxy wrote: »

Now can you explain why you claimed otherwise only a few posts ago?

Because I have often burned stuff with kerosene but it never exploded. I dont claim to be Aeronautic or civil engineer, I am more BioMedical with some chemistry.

George H W Bush has died

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