Margaret Cash steals €300 worth of clothes from Penneys and aftermath/etc!

punisher5112 · 19-02-2019 9:28pm

normanoffside wrote: »

It's Bernard against the world. No-one realises his huge intelligence except himself. His 180 subscribers will be so disappointed.

Oh god I thought you said 180 was his iq.....

Jerichoholic · 19-02-2019 9:33pm

He's getting funding from the gubberment already, and he can't even use the equipment he bought. A genius he is not.

Effects · 19-02-2019 9:59pm

Jerichoholic wrote: »

He's getting funding from the gubberment already, and he can't even use the equipment he bought. A genius he is not.

I think he just needs a bit more time to figure the equipment out. He can't be perfect from the start. See how he progresses.

punisher5112 · 19-02-2019 10:01pm

Why is he getting money from the tax payer to berate the tax payer????

normanoffside · 19-02-2019 10:11pm

Effects wrote: »

I think he just needs a bit more time to figure the equipment out. He can't be perfect from the start. See how he progresses.

He needs to figure out his speaking and interview technique first.
His monologues are a long train of unconnected gibberish with no point to his stories.
His interview technique is to talk over his guests while not making any coherent argument.

normanoffside · 19-02-2019 10:13pm

punisher5112 wrote: »

Why is he getting money from the tax payer to berate the tax payer????

And his biggest contributor to his gofundfme is Pavee point, a 100% taxpayer funded organisation.
Ironically they are the one's he feels hurt and excluded by in his latest diatribe.

holliehobbie · 19-02-2019 11:49pm

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Tenant purchase scheme has been suspended for the last several years and there is no plans to reintroduce it anytime soon.

It's not suspended anymore. It's called the Tenant Incremental Purchase Scheme.

Paddy Cow · 20-02-2019 1:20am

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

I'm funding your roads, your schools, and your health service to a far greater extent than I'm funding traveller accommodation though my tax contributions. We all are.

Absolute BS. Travellers have 85% unemployment. Settled people have 5% unemployment. A disproportionate amount of your tax is being spent on travellers. A huge amount of that goes on Garda resources to tackle crime committed by them. The courts and legal aid eats up another fair bit. The government also throws huge amounts on trying to keep traveller kids in secondary school but they might as well be burning the money as the adults don't want the kids getting educated or mixing with settled kids beyond primary school. Meanwhile we have decent law abiding tax paying people who can't access resources for their kids because the services are too stretched. Away and sh!te with your virtue signalling.

Paddy Cow · 20-02-2019 1:49am

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Almost nobody (here or in the real world) who describes themselves as an employer, would hire a member of the travelling community.

The unempolyment problem doesn't just work one-way.

And why is that do you think? Are employers just d1ckeads who won't employ Travellers or have Travellers earned a reputation for being untrustworthy and aggressive? Look at any other minority section of Irish society. In the past 30 to 40 years we have seen a lot of different people join our island. We have all races and ethnicities here now and they have all integrated. Look at any primary school class and I guarantee you will see mixed kids with one Irish parent and the other is eastern european/black/asain/middle eastern.

Go to any halting site and see how many mixed kids you can count. I'm guessing zero.

Irish employers will hire anyone who is capable of doing the job. Every other minority has managed to integrate into Irish society in a relatively short period of time. Why can't Travellers do the same? They've had 400 years (accepted theory is that they are transients from Cromwell's plantations from the 1600's). Immigrants have had less than 40.

freshpopcorn · 20-02-2019 2:01am

Regarding travellers and employment. My local Tesco has a cleaner and she's a traveller. There is also another lady who would have worked at a salon a little when she was younger and now she's gone out on her own.

Dante7 · 20-02-2019 3:12am

As always, education is the answer. Education and contraception to empower women is how it progresses. Be very careful of any organisation trying to tell you otherwise.

Iwouldinmesack · 20-02-2019 8:51am

Paddy Cow wrote: »

And why is that do you think? Are employers just d1ckeads who won't employ Travellers or have Travellers earned a reputation for being untrustworthy and aggressive? Look at any other minority section of Irish society. In the past 30 to 40 years we have seen a lot of different people join our island. We have all races and ethnicities here now and they have all integrated. Look at any primary school class and I guarantee you will see mixed kids with one Irish parent and the other is eastern european/black/asain/middle eastern.

Go to any halting site and see how many mixed kids you can count. I'm guessing zero.

Irish employers will hire anyone who is capable of doing the job. Every other minority has managed to integrate into Irish society in a relatively short period of time. Why can't Travellers do the same? They've had 400 years (accepted theory is that they are transients from Cromwell's plantations from the 1600's). Immigrants have had less than 40.

Sometimes its not that simple. Education is important yes, but its no use if you cant understand what you are being taught. I'm part of another native Irish minority and we have huge issues with unemployment. And its not for lack of trying on our behalf.The government seems to be conveniently ignoring those issues even though they recognised our language as a native language in December 2017.

punisher5112 · 20-02-2019 9:06am

Iwouldinmesack wrote: »

Sometimes its not that simple. Education is important yes, but its no use if you cant understand what you are being taught. I'm part of another native Irish minority and we have huge issues with unemployment. And its not for lack of trying on our behalf.The government seems to be conveniently ignoring those issues even though they recognised our language as a native language in December 2017.

What....

Thephantomsmask · 20-02-2019 9:29am

punisher5112 wrote: »

What....

I would wager the poster is part of the deaf community and communicates with ISL. There is little provision for it in mainstream schools so they are at a huge disadvantage in their education.

Iwouldinmesack · 20-02-2019 10:02am

Thephantomsmask wrote: »

I would wager the poster is part of the deaf community and communicates with ISL. There is little provision for it in mainstream schools so they are at a huge disadvantage in their education.

Yes you are right and the government only recently granted that right to be educated through the medium of ISL.Previously there was no right and Deaf people were educated in a spoken language that they couldnt hear, yet were expected to understand. This has lead to huge issues with literacy and has had a knock on effect further down the line. The issue now with that right being given to an education in their native language is the lack of teachers with ISL fluency.

punisher5112 · 20-02-2019 10:54am

What the hell has that got to do with cash or travellers????

Travellers are given anything and everything.

Schools have to have specialised s&a to help and teachers running after them like there will be no tomorrow.

Deebles McBeebles · 20-02-2019 11:06am

Just saw the photo of the 9 year old. A bit provocative for her age, to say the very least. When Mammy is training you to go into the family business its not so shocking I suppose.

KrustyUCC · 20-02-2019 11:10am

Deleted User wrote: »

I thought Becca only turned 9 today?

Yeah it's a strange one

She's quoted as 9 already in an article I can find

"Keyboard warriors flooded her Facebook with abuse and flagged up photos of the mother of seven drinking and splashing out on a dress for her nine-year-old daughter Rebecca’s Communion."

https://www.thesun.ie/news/2972064/homeless-mum-margaret-cash-arrested-caravan/

"Ms Cash and her seven children – Johnny, 11, Tommy, 10, Rebecca, nine, Miley, seven, Jim, four, Rocky, two, and Andy, one – have been in emergency accommodation for over a year after her landlord went bankrupt and their house was repossessed."

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/mammy-what-are-we-going-to-do-mother-tells-of-heartbreak-after-six-kids-sleep-in-garda-station-861042.html

"At the time Margaret’s seventh child, Rebecca, 9, was staying with a family friend after recently being released from Tallaght Hospital."

https://extra.ie/2018/08/24/news/irish-news/margaret-cash-and-her-seven-children-on-the-move-again-after-accommodation-error

"Trolls also used photos of her daughter Rebecca, nine, making her Holy Communion to make claims about her spending elaborately."

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/6997892/homeless-mum-sleep-police-station-six-kids-blasts-facebook-trolls/

normanoffside · 20-02-2019 11:12am

The sun were just guessing the age I'd imagine.
She turned 9 yesterday.

Iwouldinmesack · 20-02-2019 11:13am

punisher5112 wrote: »

What the hell has that got to do with cash or travellers????

Travellers are given anything and everything.

Schools have to have specialised s&a to help and teachers running after them like there will be no tomorrow.

why are they given those if they place little value on education in the first place? Why do they need SNA?

KrustyUCC · 20-02-2019 11:14am

normanoffside wrote: »

The sun were just guessing the age I'd imagine.
She turned 9 yesterday.

Bit strange that every single news outlet all had the wrong information on her

Not that it really matters

Kivaro · 20-02-2019 11:18am

As much as I despise Cash and everything that she stands for with her entitled mentality, which is reinforced by Government policy, and irrespective of a degenerate mother putting pictures of her children on social media and using them in a disgusting way in order to get a free forever home for life paid by the workers/contributors of the country ............ is there any chance of leaving her kids out of the discussion?

Deebles McBeebles · 20-02-2019 11:20am

“You don’t plan to have so many kids, it just happens.”

Yep, you just wake up one afternoon and there they are.

ohnonotgmail · 20-02-2019 11:21am

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

“You don’t plan to have so many kids, it just happens.”

Yep, you just wake up one afternoon and there they are.

Perhaps she doesnt know?

20-02-2019 11:23am

Iwouldinmesack wrote: »

why are they given those if they place little value on education in the first place? Why do they need SNA?

I’ve seen your posts many times and if I were in charge of the bank account, you would get all of the funds that the travellers currently get.

All you want to do is educate yourself to the highest possible standard and get on with life like everyone else.

I wish you well

Deebles McBeebles · 20-02-2019 11:28am

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Perhaps she doesnt know?

Sorry, I'm not with you (or with it today). She doesn't know what?

ohnonotgmail · 20-02-2019 11:32am

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

Sorry, I'm not with you (or with it today). She doesn't know what?

I was referring to the part in bold below.

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

“You don’t plan to have so many kids, it just happens.”

Yep, you just wake up one afternoon and there they are.

LollipopJimmy · 20-02-2019 11:34am

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Almost nobody (here or in the real world) who describes themselves as an employer, would hire a member of the travelling community.

The unempolyment problem doesn't just work one-way.

I had stated earlier in the thread that I invited a traveller for interview and he didn’t show. I do believe there are plenty of employers that would employ travellers given the chance but receiving an application from a traveller is rare.

I’ve had one application in many years of recruitment

nullzero · 20-02-2019 11:35am

Kivaro wrote: »

As much as I despise Cash and everything that she stands for with her entitled mentality, which is reinforced by Government policy, and irrespective of a degenerate mother putting pictures of her children on social media and using them in a disgusting way in order to get a free forever home for life paid by the workers/contributors of the country ............ is there any chance of leaving her kids out of the discussion?

I think you'll find that the correct term is childer.

Deebles McBeebles · 20-02-2019 12:33pm

nullzero wrote: »

I think you'll find that the correct term is childer.

Or golden geese.

xi5yvm0owc1s2b · 20-02-2019 1:20pm

Dante7 wrote: »

As always, education is the answer. Education and contraception to empower women is how it progresses. Be very careful of any organisation trying to tell you otherwise.

American researchers have come up with a basic formula for any child from a disadvantaged background who wants to advance into the middle class: Finish high school, get a full-time job, and wait until at least age 21 to get married and have children. People who do these basic things have a very good chance of escaping their background.

But look at how Travellers do on these metrics. Only about 8 percent of Traveller children complete secondary education, with the majority dropping out of school between the ages of 12 and 15. Only a small minority of Travellers have full-time jobs -- in fact, there are more adult male Travellers on disability allowance than there are in full-time employment. And many Travellers marry and have children while still in their teens themselves.

Margaret Cash is Exhibit A here. Left school at 12, married at 15, pregnant at 16, and a mother of seven by 27.

Anybody who genuinely cares about Travellers' well-being should be trying to stamp out traditions of early school-leaving, rampant unemployment, and girls getting married as young as 16.

Remarkably, though, people who criticize these aspects of Traveller culture are labelled racists and right-wing bigots. It makes no sense.

Idbatterim · 20-02-2019 1:27pm

If it’s Margaret cash that has won the euro millions, she might repay the taxpayer the high hundreds of thousands if not into the million, that she has cost the taxpayer of this country so far in her life!

punisher5112 · 20-02-2019 1:28pm

Idbatterim wrote: »

If it’s Margaret cash that has won the euro millions, she might repay the taxpayer the high hundreds of thousands if not into the million, that she has cost the taxpayer of this country so far in her life!

Bono bought it in Dalkey.

Idbatterim · 20-02-2019 1:31pm

Paddy Cow wrote: »

Absolute BS. Travellers have 85% unemployment. Settled people have 5% unemployment. A disproportionate amount of your tax is being spent on travellers. A huge amount of that goes on Garda resources to tackle crime committed by them. The courts and legal aid eats up another fair bit. The government also throws huge amounts on trying to keep traveller kids in secondary school but they might as well be burning the money as the adults don't want the kids getting educated or mixing with settled kids beyond primary school. Meanwhile we have decent law abiding tax paying people who can't access resources for their kids because the services are too stretched. Away and sh!te with your virtue signalling.

Reduce welfare to parents unless the kids complete secondary education at least. Also don’t pay out welfare until someone has worked for minimum a year ...

Idbatterim · 20-02-2019 1:32pm

punisher5112 wrote: »

Bono bought it in Dalkey.

I hope it was Denis O’Brien!

Deebles McBeebles · 20-02-2019 4:58pm

Idbatterim wrote: »

Reduce welfare to parents unless the kids complete secondary education at least. Also don’t pay out welfare until someone has worked for minimum a year ...

A logical idea but one that would get thrown out for being racist no doubt.

20-02-2019 5:25pm

LollipopJimmy wrote: »

I had stated earlier in the thread that I invited a traveller for interview and he didn’t show. I do believe there are plenty of employers that would employ travellers given the chance but receiving an application from a traveller is rare.

I’ve had one application in many years of recruitment

So... what you're implying here, and apparently have said or implied at least twice - is that we should take the word of some stranger on the internet, and his stated experience of travellers, and - what? Apply it to travellers generally?

I'm sure it's obvious to most people that this logic falls at a number of hurdles.

Icsics · 20-02-2019 5:35pm

Rex Tasteless Gutter wrote: »

American researchers have come up with a basic formula for any child from a disadvantaged background who wants to advance into the middle class: Finish high school, get a full-time job, and wait until at least age 21 to get married and have children. People who do these basic things have a very good chance of escaping their background.

But look at how Travellers do on these metrics. Only about 8 percent of Traveller children complete secondary education, with the majority dropping out of school between the ages of 12 and 15. Only a small minority of Travellers have full-time jobs -- in fact, there are more adult male Travellers on disability allowance than there are in full-time employment. And many Travellers marry and have children while still in their teens themselves.

Margaret Cash is Exhibit A here. Left school at 12, married at 15, pregnant at 16, and a mother of seven by 27.

Anybody who genuinely cares about Travellers' well-being should be trying to stamp out traditions of early school-leaving, rampant unemployment, and girls getting married as young as 16.

Remarkably, though, people who criticize these aspects of Traveller culture are labelled racists and right-wing bigots. It makes no sense.

And they should stop marrying close relations

20-02-2019 5:36pm

Rex Tasteless Gutter wrote: »

American researchers have come up with a basic formula for any child from a disadvantaged background who wants to advance into the middle class: Finish high school, get a full-time job, and wait until at least age 21 to get married and have children. People who do these basic things have a very good chance of escaping their background.

I wonder hoe many older users of this forum didn't stay in school until the age of 17 or 18?

I wonder if they ever ask themselves why that was? Were they being lazy and delinquent (almost certainly not), or was it a reflection of the culture and the financial pressures that they lived under, at that time? (Almost certainly the latter)

People can chew gum and walk straight. I am well aware that traveller children are born into a culture which doesn't fit well with our contemporary expectations of the minimal quality-of-life expectations mainstream society has for our children. But at the same time, I recognise that mainstream society is needlessly alienating and even demonising travellers for some of their most worthwhile traditions - such as living in an extended-family setting, an emphasis on outdoor life, being robust and resilient - many of the things that we lament as being missing from our own, settled (dare I say sedentary?) lives.

For all its faults, traveller kids growing up today probably have a quality of life that some users of this forum had in the 1960s and 1970s. That carries with is advantages as well as disadvantages. I daresay they have a happier childhood than a lot of housebound, suburban kids.

ohnonotgmail · 20-02-2019 5:38pm

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

I wonder hoe many older users of this forum didn't stay in school until the age of 17 or 18?

I wonder if they ever ask themselves why that was? Were they being lazy and delinquent (almost certainly not), or was it a reflection of the culture and the financial pressures that they lived under, at that time? (Almost certainly the latter)

People can chew gum and walk straight. I am well aware that traveller children are born into a culture which doesn't fit well with our contemporary expectations of the minimal quality-of-life expectations mainstream society has for our children. But at the same time, I recognise that mainstream society is needlessly alienating and even demonising travellers for some of their most worthwhile traditions - such as living in an extended-family setting, an emphasis on outdoor life, being robust and resilient - many of the things that we lament as being missing from our own, settled (dare I say sedentary?) lives.

You should apply to Pavee Point as a PR Officer.

20-02-2019 5:43pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

You should apply to Pavee Point as a PR Officer.

And have to open my inbox every morning to shrill cries of "why aren't you condemning the people whom you were hired to support?!!!"

No thanks. I don't know what that person is paid, but it isn't enough.

KrustyUCC · 20-02-2019 6:01pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

You should apply to Pavee Point as a PR Officer.

Ha that would be funny

Some jems from a previous thread talking about Margaret

A Tyrant Named Miltiades wrote:

That was a great speech in fairness. She should stand for election, I'd vote for her.

A Tyrant Named Miltiades wrote:

She seems very driven, very energetic, articulate and she's standing up for the little guy.

Those are pretty good traits in a politician, in my book. You don't have to like her to think she'd be an effective politician.

A Tyrant Named Miltiades wrote:

In fairness to her, not many politicians could deliver a speech like that even with notes. she reminds me of a young, female Michael D!

Margaret Cash for President, anyone?

freshpopcorn · 20-02-2019 6:02pm

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

I wonder hoe many older users of this forum didn't stay in school until the age of 17 or 18?

I wonder if they ever ask themselves why that was? Were they being lazy and delinquent (almost certainly not), or was it a reflection of the culture and the financial pressures that they lived under, at that time? (Almost certainly the latter)

People can chew gum and walk straight. I am well aware that traveller children are born into a culture which doesn't fit well with our contemporary expectations of the minimal quality-of-life expectations mainstream society has for our children. But at the same time, I recognise that mainstream society is needlessly alienating and even demonising travellers for some of their most worthwhile traditions - such as living in an extended-family setting, an emphasis on outdoor life, being robust and resilient - many of the things that we lament as being missing from our own, settled (dare I say sedentary?) lives.

For all its faults, traveller kids growing up today probably have a quality of life that some users of this forum had in the 1960s and 1970s. That carries with is advantages as well as disadvantages. I daresay they have a happier childhood than a lot of housebound, suburban kids.

Well for starters I'm aware off a good few older people who left school early. They either worked on a family farm or got construction work mainly in the UK.
If they had families daddy went out to work and mammy stayed at home. There weren't big Communion dress and Waterford Crystal. They worked hard and they didn't rely on the state to fund everything for them whilst clocking up criminal convictions.
If I spoke to older relatives. They'd tell you there was the odd thief when travellers came around but most of them were fine and they felt sorry for them being on the side of the road. When they travelled around they gave them work/etc often in exchange for food. It's a total different situation to the Magaret Cash one in my experience.
No one cares if you have a large family or everybody lives together but the issue arises when you expect the state to pay for it. It's nothing to do with being in the travelling community.

marieholmfan · 20-02-2019 6:06pm

Rex Tasteless Gutter wrote: »

American researchers have come up with a basic formula for any child from a disadvantaged background who wants to advance into the middle class:

Do you have the name of those research and the date of the study?
I have JStor.

20-02-2019 6:11pm

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Ha that would be funny

Some jems from a previous thread talking about Margaret

Just for the record - the MIchael D. one was sarcasm, as I explained at the time.

As for the others, I don't see the issue. Even to the most rabid anti-traveller bigot, they're hardly 'jems' [sic]

KrustyUCC · 20-02-2019 6:12pm

Three Simple Rules Poor Teens Should Follow to Join the Middle Class

https://www.brookings.edu/opinions/three-simple-rules-poor-teens-should-follow-to-join-the-middle-class/

or

"The stat comes from a 2009 book by Haskins and Sawhill called Creating an Opportunity Society. Haskins and Sawhill analyzed income data from 2007 and broke down households based on whether the head of household followed three norms:

They work full-time.
They graduated high school.
They waited until they were married and at least 21 to have a child.
They found that only 2 percent of persons in families that followed all three norms were poor, whereas 76 percent of persons in families that followed none were poor, and 73.8 percent of those who followed all three were at least middle-class:"

Conservatives love this deeply misleading factoid about poverty in America

https://www.vox.com/2015/7/24/9027195/haskins-sawhill-norms-marriage

Plumbthedepths · 20-02-2019 6:15pm

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote:

I wonder hoe many older users of this forum didn't stay in school until the age of 17 or 18?

Irrelevant, what are the percentage of settled people working versus the percentage of travellers working.

Plumbthedepths · 20-02-2019 6:15pm

Icsics wrote:

And they should stop marrying close relations

But they find their first cousin so damn attractive.

20-02-2019 6:22pm

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Irrelevant, what are the percentage of settled people working versus the percentage of travellers working.

Haven't researched this - I'd say there's an enormous differential.

What is the percentage of employers who would prefer to hire a settled, middle-class person over a traveller? Again, probably an enormous differential.

freshpopcorn · 20-02-2019 6:27pm

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Haven't researched this - I'd say there's an enormous differential.

What is the percentage of employers who would prefer to hire a settled, middle-class person over a traveller? Again, probably an enormous differential.

Just an example of high profile people Gavin Duffy and Sean Gallagher said during the presidential election and they'd gladly hire and live beside travellers.

Margaret Cash steals €300 worth of clothes from Penneys and aftermath/etc!

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