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01-11-2019, 14:17   #16
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There were other photos shown of him sitting on an upturned crate and one of him queuing up. Definitely set up for the greatest results.
Some people will believe anything to appease their guilt.
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I apologise for the typo in my last post which should have read 'September 2019' not 'August 2019'

First an update of the summary charts showing the trends for numbers of Adults and numbers of Familys (Adults and Children).
They are updated with the numbers for the latest month:



The Latest Report
The Homelessness Report October 2019 has been released:
https://www.housing.gov.ie/sites/def...tober_2019.pdf

They show a month-on-month rise with the total now 10,514.
I've updated the two charts based on the numbers in the report.

Homelessness (Adults)


Family Homelessness



I don't remember seeing numbers of babies of homeless families who were homeless when they were born before.
Focus Ireland says significant increase in babies born into homelessness
https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2019...less-children/
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Focus Ireland currently supports 1,215 children in Dublin and 142 of these children were born into families who were homeless.

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This sounds like people are going silent from fear
Broken society: Family living in shed is a sign Dublin is teetering on the edge
https://www.independent.ie/irish-new...-38697460.html
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But there are plenty of other headlines, too, that speak of rampant homelessness corralled - if at all - by inadequate emergency accommodation.
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Family support worker Amber Entwistle tells how the current housing crisis is worse than the recession for some vulnerable families.
"Some people are ashamed to get help because they're afraid of being reported and losing their children,"

This sounded so grim on reading It's desperate to think of a parent committing suicide because of their homelessless.
Children spent night alone with mother’s body in homeless accommodation
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/soci...tion-1.4101172
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Two children were alone with their mother’s body overnight and most of the following day in their homeless accommodation in south Dublin last year, it has emerged.
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Mrs Connors says she thinks her daughter was found after the boy wandered out. He was seen outside the room on CCTV footage. “Someone came down to the room to see what was happening, and that’s when they found her,” she said. “There were drugs involved. I’m told there was a needle and almost all her prescription drugs were gone. It looks to us like a kind of suicide.”
It also has signs of people going silent from fear like the previous article
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Early in 2016, when the B&B closed, the family was moved to supported accommodation in Blackrock. Visitors were not allowed.
“She was miserable, but she didn’t want to be causing upset because it could go against her,” says Mrs Connors.

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The solution has always been "to increase the supply of homes". The latest report does not have commentary where previous reports did. They used to include:
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The long term solution to the current homeless issue is to increase the supply of homes
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The root cause of increased homelessness is the supply shortage across the housing sector, which in turn is a result of the recent economic collapse and the associated damage to the construction sector. Accordingly the long-term solution to the current homeless issue is to increase the supply of homes.
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I think the worst impact may be on young children,
they live in a hotel room,
there,s no space to play ,
you only get one chance at growing up.
when you live in a hotel you have to leave at a certain time,
you have to come back before 11pm approx.
its not a good environment to grow up in
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I don't remember seeing numbers of babies of homeless families who were homeless when they were born before.
Focus Ireland says significant increase in babies born into homelessness
https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2019...less-children/
Does having a child increase the single homeless persons chance of getting a council house?
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There's gonna be some extremely disturbing psychological issues from these failures, and a virtually none existing mental health system to deal with it, this won't end well
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Does having a child increase the single homeless persons chance of getting a council house?
That's over 10 percent, an incredible statistuc. Focus Ireland are right it is appalling but I think, for once, the government are not the right target.

Why is the parent/parents even allowing the possibility of pregnancy in those circumstances? And more importantly where are these people's families? What has happened to the family unit in Ireland?

I feel so sorry for those children, the majority have no chance
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Good to see the homeless family numbers coming down.

So, a drug addict overdoses and it’s the government’s fault?

WHY are babies being born into homelessness? Is THAT the government’s fault?
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Some people will believe anything to appease their guilt.
Sociopaths don't feel guilt.
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Which definition of 'homelessnes' do these figures cover. Are the populist definitions included or is it just strictly actual homelessness. Those figures seem high as we were on the verge of a mass emigration. E. G. Moses' exile.
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Which definition of 'homelessnes' do these figures cover. Are the populist definitions included or is it just strictly actual homelessness. Those figures seem high as we were on the verge of a mass emigration. E. G. Moses' exile.
What are the 'populist definitions'?
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I think the worst impact may be on young children,
they live in a hotel room,
there,s no space to play ,
you only get one chance at growing up.
when you live in a hotel you have to leave at a certain time,
you have to come back before 11pm approx.
its not a good environment to grow up in
no it's not

but yet they keep getting born into such environments

In those cases - some adult responsibility should play a part. If you choose to get pregnant in circumstances like that - you are utterly selfish.
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The rule is you only get offered a house if you have 2 kids, or more.
a parent with one child will get offered a 2 bed apartment .
i don,t think every woman choose,s to get pregnant,
some people get pregnant by accident.
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The rule is you only get offered a house if you have 2 kids, or more.
a parent with one child will get offered a 2 bed apartment .
i don,t think every woman choose,s to get pregnant,
some people get pregnant by accident.
If they are the same sex kids as in 2 boys or two girls they would still only be entitled to a two bed hence the multiple trying for the magic one boy and one girl to guarantee a 3 bed house ,

Entitlement and demand I want a 3 bed and I'm not taking anything else .
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The council only build or buy, 2 bed apartments,
or buy 3 bed house,s .
if you are paying 300k for a house you might as well get a 3 bed .
its simple ,have one child,you get an apartment.
2 children or more you get a house.
Of course it takes years to get anything,
my friend was told you have one child,
You,ll get offered an apartment.
and she got a 2 bed apartment .
it makes no economic sense fro the council to build a 2bed house.
IF you want to be cynical about it theres no benefit to having more than 2 children if you want to get a house .
my friend left a council apartment,
the 2 bed apartment was vacant for 14 months before they gave it to a new tenant.
they just painted it and put in new carpets.
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First an update of the summary charts showing the trends for numbers of Adults and numbers of Familys (Adults and Children).
They are updated with the numbers for the latest month:



The Latest Report
The Homelessness Report November 2019 has been released:
https://www.housing.gov.ie/sites/def...ember_2019.pdf

I've updated the two charts based on the numbers in the report.

Homelessness (Adults)


Family Homelessness


This guy, Rob Cross, has recently updated his tweet about vacant sites in Dublin and the number of Homeless:
https://twitter.com/RobCross247/stat...99898948640768


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This isn't the first medical and childhood development related impact that's been brought up. It worrying to think of the multiple issues building on top of one another.
Rising numbers of state’s most vulnerable children being treated for morbid obesity
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breaki...ty-972633.html
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Dr O’Malley, who also leads a research team at the Royal College of Surgeons in Ireland, said it is extremely difficult for parents to feed their children healthy food in cramped hotel rooms with little or no cooking facilities.
She said: “From the homelessness aspect it’s just being able to have access to cook and store food or to sit at a table together. That stability and continuity is vital to support health and development.
“It’s much harder to have wholefoods and vegetables. If you don’t have refrigeration it’s hard to keep dairy.
“So quick, cheap, high-calorie food makes the most sense but may provide less nutrition.
“It’s not a parental decision not to do the right thing. This is a decision operating within the confines of restricted choice and the child’s little body reacts to this stress.”

She said the discussion needs to shift from parental blame and look at society’s role in childhood obesity.

This was an odd one. I can't remember seeing a Judge direct that papers be served on a Minister before.
Plight facing brain damaged homeless man 'should not exist in a civilised state' says judge
https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/...ge-968704.html
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A brain-damaged homeless man has been on remand for more than a year in Mountjoy Prison’s high dependency unit despite persistent reports he is of unsound mind and needs residential care, the president of the High Court has heard.
Mr Justice Peter Kelly, having been told a senior HSE official had cancelled a residential care plan due to "resource issues" and it was being proposed to discharge him to access homeless services, said this was a "staggering" and “truly awful situation and one that should not exist in a civilised state".
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He directed that papers in the case be served on the Minister for Justice, the HSE, the Irish Prison Service and the DPP and returned the matter to next week.
Looks like the Judge got action taken from the details from the follow-up:
HSE to fund care place for brain-damaged homeless man who has been in Mountjoy for a year
https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/...ar-970102.html
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The HSE has “at last” identified an appropriate place and made funding available for it, Mr Justice Peter Kelly remarked today.

It looks like the letting of children down and supply issues were acknowledged:
State is ‘letting children down’ on housing, says Minister
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/soci...ster-1.4113137
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The State is “letting children down” by having them live in emergency accommodation, Minister for Housing Eoghan Murphy has said.
Mr Murphy was updating an Oireachtas housing committee on the progress of Rebuilding Ireland, the Government’s plan for housing and homelessness, published in 2016 and branded an “abject failure” by housing campaigner Fr Peter McVerry.
'We're letting children down' - Murphy tells committee
https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/201...eoghan-murphy/
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Minister Murphy acknowledged that there were not enough homes

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The solution has always been "to increase the supply of homes". The latest report does not have commentary where previous reports did. They used to include:
Quote:
The long term solution to the current homeless issue is to increase the supply of homes
or:
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The root cause of increased homelessness is the supply shortage across the housing sector, which in turn is a result of the recent economic collapse and the associated damage to the construction sector. Accordingly the long-term solution to the current homeless issue is to increase the supply of homes.
These numbers don't sound good for the immediate future:
34,000 new homes needed every year for next decade - Central Bank
https://www.rte.ie/news/business/201...ousing-demand/
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A study from the Central Bank has found that 34,000 new dwellings will be needed each year for the next decade to keep up with demand.
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But following the crash, house construction collapsed and between 2011 and 2014 an average of just 5,500 houses a year were built.

But the population did not stop growing during those years.

Today's study from the Central Bank found that in order for housing to have kept up with the growth in the population, around 27,000 dwellings per year would have had to be built in the past eight years from 2011 until 2019.

However, the average housing completion rate for this period was just 10,500 dwellings a year.
It was also raised recently that it may be costing taxpayers more to not new council homes than it would to.. build new council homes
New figures show HAP will cost Government more than building new council homes
https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dubli...-cost-17385400
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Fianna Fail TD Darragh O’Brien said the average support to tenants will cost the State more than building a new home after 21 years.

Figures given to him by from Housing Minister Eoghan Murphy shows the State will spend over €844million on rent support this year, including €423million on the HAP scheme.

For 2019, the average monthly HAP payment was €829. This was provided to 48,261 households.

The average cost of building a new two-bedroom home nationally is €213,000.
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