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The Irishman (Scorsese, De Niro, Pesci and Pacino)

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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 29,166 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    I'm really curious as to how this fares on the small screen, because it starts slow and a little confusing. It ultimately morphs into a really great film, but definitely takes its time - given this is a film that has a framing device within a framing device, Marty is in no rush to get to the meat of things.

    As soon as Pacino shows up, though, we're into vintage territory. Certainly the opening hours have the feel of the classics... but things are rather slower and more sedate, right down to the music. We see Frank's long induction into the mob and ultimately Jimmy Hoffa's immediate circle. Pacino as Hoffa is a goddamn sensation - he gives the film the kickstart it needs as it enters into its second hour, and the energy propels it throughout, even when it transitions into a deeply melancholic, funereal final act.

    Oldfellas... No Country for Goodfellas... whatever you want to call it, this has a deeply autumnal feeling that makes it feel like something that can't be dismissed as Scorsese shutting up and playing the hits. The colour palette, the music cues, even the actors themselves ('cept Pacino, who's firing on all cylinders) - this is a subdued film, and its reflections on mortality are strangely moving even in the context of these murderous goons. There's still some super, pure Scorsese stuff in here (
    the long journey towards the film's pivotal hit is long and sad and tense in a fresh and unusual way, and the ‘cause of death’ character intros always hit the spot
    ) but the textures are different, and the film's all the richer for it.

    So... the de-aging. It's a strange one. It's for the most part fairly seamless in a pure technological sense, but as is often the way with these things there's often strange quirks with the lighting or slightly off angles that lend an uncanny valley effect. The biggest problem IMO is that it's still clear there's a 75-year-old De Niro playing a much younger man. Pesci and Pacino get away with it, but there's one scene in particular - a beating outside a shop - where it's jarringly obvious that Bobby doesn't have the physical presence or posture of a 30-year-old (roughly). It doesn't hurt the film by any stretch and most of the film we're dealing with substantially older characters. But there's a definite disconnect there that made me wonder whether casting an older and younger generation might have worked better. Regardless, it is what it is, and it works well most of the time - and frankly always a pleasure to see such acting powerhouses give it their all. There's one scene late in the film
    that's just De Niro, a telephone and a voice on the other end
    - it's beautiful, sad and shocking all at once, with some superb acting from a man so rarely given this sort of material these days.

    Anyway, overall we're dealing with a strong, thoughtful, reflective beast here - no doubt Scorsese et al (a retired Joe Pesci maybe excluded) have much more to say in the coming years, but this nonetheless has the lovely autumn - even crossing into winter - feeling of old masters reflecting on the passage of time. It's a sweeping epic that's intimate and melancholic, but honestly didn't feel the 3.5 hours go by at all. It's great filmmakers (Scorsese, Schoonmaker etc...) getting together with some of their great actors and friends. It is septuagenarians making the great septuagenarian mob movie.


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,423 ✭✭✭✭Outlaw Pete


    Really enjoyed it, could have lost 20 mins or so, but engrossed throughout nevertheless.

    The extra fat for me takes away it's rewatchability factor, as while it's always engaging, some of the scenes just aren't as tight as others and that's where it suffers I feel.

    Had they trimmed some of it, then it would have gained that aspect of things, but of course in doing that it would have lost something too and so long story short, I guess film buffs will enjoy it way more than an audience who are just going to see it as it's the latest film to open that week ... in fact I'd go as far as to say it'll be film prone to chatter no doubt from those who can't last the 3.5 hours. So do yourself a favour and avoid cineplexes and the like if at all possible.

    Performances wise all were top notch I thought, and while initially the artificial ageing is jarring, you do soon forget about it. Would younger actors in those scenes have worked better, and as flashback scenes? Perhaps, and a lesser film would have suffered for it for sure, but The Irishman doesn't at all imo, given it's so strong a film in all other aspects that you just won't really care all that much, or at least you'll be enjoying the film so much you won't really have the time to give it too much thought. Or, that's how it was for me anyway.
    Catholicism is almost a character in the film itself. Not as much as say it was in Mean Streets, but it's hovering in there nevertheless.

    Overall, while I really really loved watching it, I still and all can't see me wanting to watch it again, anytime soon at least. Goodfellas or Casino it ain't, but I did enjoy it more than The Departed.


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,543 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    So will it get a release over here ?

    Omniplexs and Lighthouse taking bookings so far.


  • Registered Users Posts: 60,369 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    IMC's are taking bookings for it as well now.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 35,941 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    I'd dearly love to see this in the cinema, but 3.5 hours is just too much for much for my bladder lol. Seems apt for a film so stacked with old fogeys to say something like that, but EndGame pushed things to the limit, and I'm that type of cinemagoer who hates leaving mid showing ...


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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 22,671 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sad Professor


    With ads, trailers, etc the actual length is closer to 4 hours which is too much. I just can't sit that long. I wish cinemas offered intermissions as standard on films 3 hours or longer. They make us suffer through 30 minutes of ads, many of them ads for the cinema itself, but won't give us 10 minutes in the middle of the film to take a breather.


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,368 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    I dunno, if you gotta go for a piss then go for a piss and make it quick. It's hardly a deal breaker.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 35,941 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Arghus wrote: »
    I dunno, if you gotta go for a piss then go for a piss and make it quick. It's hardly a deal breaker.

    Meh, I hate missing even a scene of a film, cos I've been burnt enough in the past, or known others who have, ducking out only to miss something pivotal. *Shrug* in the words of aerosmith, I don't wanna miss a thing...


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,368 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    pixelburp wrote: »
    Meh, I hate missing even a scene of a film, cos I've been burnt enough in the past, or known others who have, ducking out only to miss something pivotal. *Shrug* in the words of aerosmith, I don't wanna miss a thing...

    Of course, it's always a pain, but I'll take the trade off of being able to watch this on the big screen versus the possible risk of having to take a piss at some point.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    The key is to have a lot of salty popcorn, and have a salty dinner before the movie. You'll retain water reducing the taking a piss likelihood!


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  • Registered Users Posts: 12,543 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    Fúcks sake folks just get up and walk to the fúcking toilet and go for a 30 second piss and then walk back to your fúcking seat.

    This isn't difficult.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,107 ✭✭✭gwalk


    The Nal wrote: »
    Fúcks sake folks just get up and walk to the fúcking toilet and go for a 30 second piss and then walk back to your fúcking seat.

    This isn't difficult.

    Could always use This


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,543 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    gwalk wrote: »
    Could always use This

    Just don't confuse it with your coke in the drinks holder


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 29,166 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    Anything over four hours is when IMO the cinema probably should give a break even when there’s not an intermission built in. That’s where it becomes really intense to concentrate for that long, plus almost everyone will probably need a piss at that stage. I did the two-day Dead Souls screening at the IFI last year which was an 8.5 hour film split over two days. There wasn’t IIRC an intermission on either day, so that’s a pretty intense experience. I’ve done 4+ hour films a couple of times and you definitely just need to stand up and walk around at some stage.

    The Irishman flew by for me anyway, was comfortable and engrossed throughout and genuinely didn’t feel as long as it is. That said, I’m sure those foolhardy enough to have a cinema beer or two may have a different opinion ;)


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,863 ✭✭✭mikhail


    The key is to have a lot of salty popcorn, and have a salty dinner before the movie. You'll retain water reducing the taking a piss likelihood!
    I guess you could go down the Attends route too, but I'm not sitting near you.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,916 ✭✭✭cdgalwegian


    The key is to have a lot of salty popcorn, and have a salty dinner before the movie. You'll retain water reducing the taking a piss likelihood!
    A friend of mine when I was in England years ago told me that to save time travelling in his car from Essex to Scotland he used one of those urine-collection leg-bags attached to a penile sheath. Not kidding. Refused to stop for toilet-breaks for his wife. Not kidding.
    Always an option.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    A friend of mine when I was in England years ago told me that to save time travelling in his car from Essex to Scotland he used one of those urine-collection leg-bags attached to a penile sheath. Not kidding. Refused to stop for toilet-breaks for his wife. Not kidding.
    Always an option.

    Sounds like a happily married man :pac:


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,916 ✭✭✭cdgalwegian


    Sounds like a happily married man :pac:
    He sure wears the trousers (a kilt would have given the game away).


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 29,166 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    Refused to stop for toilet-breaks for his wife.

    If you haven’t seen the film yet, you have no idea how freakishly relevant this exact comment is for a thread about this exact film :pac:


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,916 ✭✭✭cdgalwegian


    If you haven’t seen the film yet, you have no idea how freakishly relevant this exact comment is for a thread about this exact film :pac:
    Haven't seen it yet; looking forward to it even more now.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 869 ✭✭✭El Duda


    The Nal wrote: »
    Fúcks sake folks just get up and walk to the fúcking toilet and go for a 30 second piss and then walk back to your fúcking seat.

    This isn't difficult.




    This.


    The only time I have done a wee in a film in recent memory was Joker, cos I saw it on a Friday night and had some beers.


    I went for a quick widdle when he went to hospital with is Mum.



    I MISSED NOTHING


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,916 ✭✭✭cdgalwegian


    El Duda wrote: »
    This.


    The only time I have done a wee in a film in recent memory was Joker, cos I saw it on a Friday night and had some beers.


    I went for a quick widdle when he went to hospital with is Mum.



    I MISSED NOTHING
    (I don't like going off topic, but this is entertaining)
    I'm not casting aspersions, but some of these posts are only counting micturitive actions only. No account of washing of hands and drying of same have been added to the final tally of film-time absence. :D


  • Registered Users Posts: 869 ✭✭✭El Duda


    There is an app available called RunPee which help cinema goers with this very issue;

    https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=air.RunPee&hl=en_GB

    No excuse for not seeing The irishman now guys.


  • Administrators, Computer Games Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 32,168 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Mickeroo


    Why did they stop doing intermissions anyway? They used to be the norm on anything over two and a half hours. I remember some of the Harry Potter films had them and I'm pretty sure all the Lord of the Rings films did too.


  • Registered Users Posts: 869 ✭✭✭El Duda


    Mickeroo wrote: »
    Why did they stop doing intermissions anyway? They used to be the norm on anything over two and a half hours. I remember some of the Harry Potter films had them and I'm pretty sure all the Lord of the Rings films did too.


    Intermission = more time = less screenings = less money


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 29,166 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    Intermissions have never been routine in my cinemagoing lifetime anyway - certainly don’t remember any LotR or Harry Potters films having one.

    Might have differed from cinema to cinema though!


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 35,941 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    I saw one of the LotR films during their original run (I think it was Return of the King), in Cineworld, and I'm 99% it had a five minute intermission.

    But as said already, their absence is 100% down to money; especially with these hyper-Blockbusters that need to make 1+ billion dollars to be "successes", there's no way cinema chains & studios will allow hours in a day lost to people going to the loo, or knead some life back into their a$$. That Disney are leaning on chains to dominate the percentages taken for their films, it further pressurises cinemas to maximise screenings.


  • Registered Users Posts: 15,354 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    Almost sure there was intermission during LOTR in savoy


  • Registered Users Posts: 237 ✭✭ErnestBorgnine


    All the LoTRs films i saw on the original run had intermissions.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,727 ✭✭✭Greyfox


    Almost sure there was intermission during LOTR in savoy

    The Savoy use to always have intermissions, I always seen it as a way to get people to buy more overpriced food/drinks.


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