Vrt a uk bike for 2021

lipso · 23-01-2021 1:59pm #1

Hi
Has anyone imported a used bike from uk mainland since start of 2021 and vrt’d it? What’s the vrt process re customs and vat?

zubair · 23-01-2021 2:14pm

NI is a better option over the UK mainland as there's no customs.

https://www.revenue.ie/en/customs-traders-and-agents/brexit/brexit-for-individuals/importing-a-vehicle-from-great-britain-gb-or-northern-ireland.aspx

lipso · 23-01-2021 4:22pm

Looked at that link, it’s clearer than the vrt faq page. I’m just wondering what extra im going to have to pay. It’s a 2019 50cc moped for £835. Is there someone who could tell me straight what l need to do and expect to pay. It’s being brought over by a n Irish courier. How would the NI option work? Would the bike have to be shown to have been bought by someone in NI and registered there and then sold on to me? It’s crazy I live only 9 miles from Derry.

Del2005 · 23-01-2021 5:02pm

lipso wrote: »

Looked at that link, it’s clearer than the vrt faq page. I’m just wondering what extra im going to have to pay. It’s a 2019 50cc moped for £835. Is there someone who could tell me straight what l need to do and expect to pay. It’s being brought over by a n Irish courier. How would the NI option work? Would the bike have to be shown to have been bought by someone in NI and registered there and then sold on to me? It’s crazy I live only 9 miles from Derry.

You'll have to pay VRT of €80 and VAT on the invoice+shipping.

The courier being from NI has no difference as the bike would have to have been in NI for several months to avoid the VAT, people in Derry now have to pay VAT on any vehicle they import from Britain. You need to get customs pre clearance to bring it into either NI or Ireland.

If you can find one already registered in NI then you can avoid VAT provided that it's done >6k km.

goblin59 · 23-01-2021 7:01pm

Del2005 wrote: »

You'll have to pay VRT of €80 and VAT on the invoice+shipping.

The courier being from NI has no difference as the bike would have to have been in NI for several months to avoid the VAT, people in Derry now have to pay VAT on any vehicle they import from Britain. You need to get customs pre clearance to bring it into either NI or Ireland.

If you can find one already registered in NI then you can avoid VAT provided that it's done >6k km.

what?
if the V5c says the bike was in NI before you got it then you don't pay any VAT, get a mate from NI to buy the bike in their name and sell it to you.
I did this in January as the bike I'm working on was bought by my Dad initially before getting put into my name on a NI address and then transferred over to the Dublin Reg.

lipso · 23-01-2021 8:06pm

So would the mate in NI have to officially register it there in his name on v5 and then ‘sell’ it to me?
Was your bike imported in 2021? And does it have to be in NI for a certain length of time?

galwaytt · 23-01-2021 8:43pm

lipso wrote: »

So would the mate in NI have to officially register it there in his name on v5 and then ‘sell’ it to me?
Was your bike imported in 2021? And does it have to be in NI for a certain length of time?

Revenue have already said they'll be scrutinising NI imports for exactly that. Any ex-GB vehicle routed via NI will attract Customs & VAT.

It would need to be regd in NI for some time to avoid it, certainly a good few months I'd say.

For now, unless its a machine sold and registered from new in NI, I'd be very cautious and assume Customs & VAT will apply.

goblin59 · 23-01-2021 8:43pm

lipso wrote: »

So would the mate in NI have to officially register it there in his name on v5 and then ‘sell’ it to me?
Was your bike imported in 2021? And does it have to be in NI for a certain length of time?

I don't think they can check how long it was in NI for tbh, I did my import in 2021 with no hassle, the bike was an NI registration when I took it in for import, I stated where it was kept before I brought it in.

Its not your job to find out the history of the bike, as far as your concerned the bike was bought in NI when your mate bought it from England, had it a few days and just hated it enough to sell it to you for a few quid after. But there will be a delay in the DVLA sending out the new V5C to your mates address, I think it took 15 days for a new one to arrive

galwaytt · 23-01-2021 8:45pm

goblin59 wrote: »

I don't think they can check how long it was in NI for tbh, I did my import in 2021 with no hassle, the bike was an NI registration when I took it in for import, I stated where it was kept before I brought it in.

Its not your job to find out the history of the bike, as far as your concerned the bike was bought in NI when your mate bought it from England, had it a few days and just hated it enough to sell it to you for a few quid after. But there will be a delay in the DVLA sending out the new V5C to your mates address, I think it took 15 days for a new one to arrive

Previous owner info and change of ownership date should be on the V5, so easy to check iirc

Del2005 · 23-01-2021 9:39pm

goblin59 wrote: »

I don't think they can check how long it was in NI for tbh, I did my import in 2021 with no hassle, the bike was an NI registration when I took it in for import, I stated where it was kept before I brought it in.

Its not your job to find out the history of the bike, as far as your concerned the bike was bought in NI when your mate bought it from England, had it a few days and just hated it enough to sell it to you for a few quid after. But there will be a delay in the DVLA sending out the new V5C to your mates address, I think it took 15 days for a new one to arrive

You have to pay VAT when you export from Britain to Ireland or Northern Ireland, so getting your NI mate to buy it doesn't get you off paying VAT.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/trading-and-moving-goods-in-and-out-of-northern-ireland-from-1-january-2021#moving-excise-goods

mgbgt1978 · 23-01-2021 10:15pm

You don't.

You are liable for VAT if importing, but I'm pretty sure Exporters are not expected to pay VAT.

Mjolnir · 23-01-2021 10:19pm

goblin59 wrote: »

I don't think they can check how long it was in NI for tbh, I did my import in 2021 with no hassle, the bike was an NI registration when I took it in for import, I stated where it was kept before I brought it in.

Its not your job to find out the history of the bike, as far as your concerned the bike was bought in NI when your mate bought it from England, had it a few days and just hated it enough to sell it to you for a few quid after. But there will be a delay in the DVLA sending out the new V5C to your mates address, I think it took 15 days for a new one to arrive

They can check when it was last taxed in the UK so I'm sure they can check that too.

zubair · 24-01-2021 12:31am

goblin59 wrote: »

what?
if the V5c says the bike was in NI before you got it then you don't pay any VAT, get a mate from NI to buy the bike in their name and sell it to you.
I did this in January as the bike I'm working on was bought by my Dad initially before getting put into my name on a NI address and then transferred over to the Dublin Reg.

Not sure how he did this because the Vat is payable when Imported to NI from England Scotland and Wales. The assumed "back door" is closed.

@op you're in a very easy position to buy from NI where the bike market is arguably better. If it was me I'd limit my search to NI and ROI bikes. The estimated cost difference being thrown around is that the duties etc will make it around 15-20% more expensive than the average price of the same vehicle already registered in Ireland. I follow a very active car group on FB and they did some case studies.

blade1 · 24-01-2021 10:26am

galwaytt wrote: »

Revenue have already said they'll be scrutinising NI imports for exactly that. Any ex-GB vehicle routed via NI will attract Customs & VAT.

It would need to be regd in NI for some time to avoid it, certainly a good few months I'd say.

For now, unless its a machine sold and registered from new in NI, I'd be very cautious and assume Customs & VAT will apply.

I also heard any bikes coming from Europe via UK are going to get hit as well.

24-01-2021 2:35pm

zubair wrote: »

NI is a better option over the UK mainland as there's no customs.

https://www.revenue.ie/en/customs-traders-and-agents/brexit/brexit-for-individuals/importing-a-vehicle-from-great-britain-gb-or-northern-ireland.aspx

So if bringing in from mainland UK you have to pay Irish vat however I presume you can reclaim the UK vat after?

I.e whatever Vat was paid by whoever first bought that motorcycle when it was registered in the UK should re reclaimable from the UK government.

I might be wrong but I think that's correct.

What are the import duties based on, it's not clear at all from that link.

Henry Ford III · 24-01-2021 2:53pm

I've a cousin who lives in N.I. with exactly the same name as mine........hmmmmmm.

zubair · 24-01-2021 4:01pm

Henry Ford III wrote: »

I've a cousin who lives in N.I. with exactly the same name as mine........hmmmmmm.

LOL, your cousin still has to pay vat and customs.

zubair · 24-01-2021 4:02pm

blade1 wrote: »

I also heard any bikes coming from Europe via UK are going to get hit as well.

If the final destination is within the EU they won't be hit.

Del2005 · 25-01-2021 8:36am

Mckinley Rapid Undershirt wrote: »

So if bringing in from mainland UK you have to pay Irish vat however I presume you can reclaim the UK vat after?

I.e whatever Vat was paid by whoever first bought that motorcycle when it was registered in the UK should re reclaimable from the UK government.

I might be wrong but I think that's correct.

What are the import duties based on, it's not clear at all from that link.

There is no way to reclaim the VAT after export as it was an EU law that allowed it. You can buy VAT free for export, you have to buy from a dealer

https://www.gov.uk/hmrc-internal-manuals/vat-personal-exports-tax-free-sales-of-new-motor-vehicles-for-use-before-export/vexmotors3100#:~:text=Form%20VAT%20410%20is%20used,the%20VAT%20410%20application%20form.&text=HMRC%20copy%20to%20be%20forwarded,to%20the%20PTU%20for%20approval.

Hillybilly4 · 25-01-2021 10:07am

Mckinley Rapid Undershirt wrote: »

What are the import duties based on, it's not clear at all from that link.

The value as declared on the sales document.

25-01-2021 12:59pm

Hillybilly4 wrote: »

The value as declared on the sales document.

What % are these import duties? These are in addition to VRT.. Thats nuts

Hillybilly4 · 25-01-2021 2:38pm

Mckinley Rapid Undershirt wrote: »

What % are these import duties? These are in addition to VRT.. Thats nuts

10% import duty and then 21% VAT on everything.

galwaytt · 25-01-2021 3:27pm

Mckinley Rapid Undershirt wrote: »

What % are these import duties? These are in addition to VRT.. Thats nuts

Just buy from Germany/France/Italy/Spain - no customs, no VAT (on used).

aido43 · 25-01-2021 3:33pm

or buy from N Ireland--saves all that transport messing. Dealers up North have much more stock than south and better condition bikes--and sterling rate is great at moment. Check out McCallens.

galwaytt · 27-01-2021 9:37am

aido43 wrote: »

or buy from N Ireland--saves all that transport messing. Dealers up North have much more stock than south and better condition bikes--and sterling rate is great at moment. Check out McCallens.

True so long as the bike as actually an NI registered bike, not a GB one. If it was bought into NI from GB by trader to sell, then Customs & VAT apply on top of VRT.....

aido43 · 27-01-2021 12:09pm

Any bikes Ive looked at in NI were registered there--not sure how Revenue is going to prove trader in NI brought it in for sale .

enrique66_35 · 27-01-2021 1:01pm

aido43 wrote: »

Any bikes Ive looked at in NI were registered there--not sure how Revenue is going to prove trader in NI brought it in for sale .

Surely from the licence plate (i.e. place of registration code is in England, Scotland or Wales).....

CJhaughey · 27-01-2021 1:11pm

enrique66_35 wrote: »

Surely from the licence plate (i.e. place of registration code is in England, Scotland or Wales).....

Plenty of GB reg on bikes and cars in NI, the old three letter plates aren't a dead giveaway any longer.

blade1 · 27-01-2021 1:17pm

CJhaughey wrote: »

Plenty of GB reg on bikes and cars in NI, the old three letter plates aren't a dead giveaway any longer.

If you look up the plate on gov.uk only English ones will show up.

galwaytt · 28-01-2021 12:12pm

aido43 wrote: »

Any bikes Ive looked at in NI were registered there--not sure how Revenue is going to prove trader in NI brought it in for sale .

Well isn't that just the beauty of it - they'll say it was, and you'll have to prove it wasn't. That's usually the way they work things.

Last date taxed, MOT'd, change of ownership date etc. Won't be hard to figure it out.

aido43 · 28-01-2021 12:48pm

Yes thats probably the Revenue stance--pay up or prove otherwise.

lipso · 25-02-2021 11:59pm

The sale invoice is from the NI motorcycle courier who brought over the bike and it has the sellers and buyers details on it.
If the invoice was dated in December 2020 would the vrt be under the old system.
Then it would be over 30 days to get it registered but I was unwell in early January and I had a heart attack on 15 January

Mjolnir · 26-02-2021 12:06am

lipso wrote: »

The sale invoice is from the NI motorcycle courier who brought over the bike and it has the sellers and buyers details on it.
If the invoice was dated in December 2020 would the vrt be under the old system.
Then it would be over 30 days to get it registered but I was unwell in early January and I had a heart attack on 15 January

Wouldn't make any difference the price and duties are done when it's presented at the centre.

You'll have to pay vrt, vat and probably a penalty for not presenting it in time.

UrbanFret · 27-02-2021 10:27pm

I brought in a UK registered commercial bought from a dealer in the
north, never registered in N ireland. He imported it in 16th december, I bought it 30th december. Vrt was under the old system. I would imagine a bike the same.
Sales invoice and copy of ferry booking was required.

Mjolnir · 27-02-2021 10:33pm

UrbanFret wrote: »

I brought in a UK registered commercial bought from a dealer in the
north, never registered in N ireland. He imported it in 16th december, I bought it 30th december. Vrt was under the old system. I would imagine a bike the same.
Sales invoice and copy of ferry booking was required.

Plenty have been caught out since the change over, some unfortunate c×nt got stung for late fees on his bike because he couldn't get an apt. Wouldn't touch anything for sale in Ireland with a yellow reg now.

newmember2 · 28-02-2021 2:41am

I brought a UK vehicle into the country last December but am only getting around to VRT'ing it now. If I have a ferry ticket from December will I just have to pay VRT?

macplaxton · 28-02-2021 4:11am

newmember? wrote: »

I brought a UK vehicle into the country last December but am only getting around to VRT'ing it now. If I have a ferry ticket from December will I just have to pay VRT?

You brought it in before Jan, and can prove it (invoice/shipping details/ferry ticket) it's just VRT.

However, you registered it late so Revenue system will raise a late payment charge which is 0.1% of the VRT due per day.

Say the VRT is €1000 and it's presented Monday 1st March and it was brought in 16th December. That'll add €75 to the bill.

If the delay is the NCT or Revenue's fault they'll possibly entertain a refund claim of that late charge.

(The VRT manual has been updated again - latest edition is Feb 2021)

steinbock123 · 01-03-2021 11:22am

A classic bike that I want has just came up for sale in the UK. I know that if I buy it sight unseen that I can get a courier to deliver it back here for a fee. But I don’t want to buy it sight unseen, it’s a lot of money and I’d rather see it in the flesh before buying. Is there any restrictions on me going over to collect it myself, as it’s not an “essential journey “.
I would hope to get the night boat to Holyhead, the bike is about 5 hours drive from Holyhead, see it , probably buy it , load it, and be back in Holyhead for the boat back at 8 pm. I can bring all my own victuals with me, so won’t have to leave the van except for toilet breaks at service areas, with all usual Covid precautions taken.
I’m also residing more than 5km from Dublin port, so I’m breaking the law just going that far I would presume.
Anyone know what the definitive legal position is on this ?
(MOD: if this is in the wrong forum, please move)

Hillybilly4 · 01-03-2021 11:48am

steinbock123 wrote: »

A classic bike that I want has just came up for sale in the UK. I know that if I buy it sight unseen that I can get a courier to deliver it back here for a fee. But I don’t want to buy it sight unseen, it’s a lot of money and I’d rather see it in the flesh before buying. Is there any restrictions on me going over to collect it myself, as it’s not an “essential journey “.
I would hope to get the night boat to Holyhead, the bike is about 5 hours drive from Holyhead, see it , probably buy it , load it, and be back in Holyhead for the boat back at 8 pm. I can bring all my own victuals with me, so won’t have to leave the van except for toilet breaks at service areas, with all usual Covid precautions taken.
I’m also residing more than 5km from Dublin port, so I’m breaking the law just going that far I would presume.
Anyone know what the definitive legal position is on this ?
(MOD: if this is in the wrong forum, please move)

Regardless of the rights and wrongs, don't forget you need a negative pre-departure Covid PCR test to get back into Ireland and it can take up to 48 hrs to get the result. And you have to pay for it.

newmember2 · 04-03-2021 1:28pm

OK...so thinking of bringing in a 2012 bike from the UK - which would have been originally imported from Japan in 2012 and have paid VAT to the EU at that time. Bike has no log book so I'll be getting a replacement book sent to a NI address. My main question is, when I go to import it here, as the motorcycle market here is so relatively small, will they base the Purchase Price and subsequent VAT charge on the receipt or invoice I present with the bike, or do Revenue have a book price for every bike like they do for cars?

Mjolnir · 04-03-2021 1:29pm

newmember? wrote: »

OK...so thinking of bringing in a 2012 bike from the UK - which would have been originally imported from Japan in 2012 and have paid VAT to the EU at that time. Bike has no log book so I'll be getting a replacement book sent to a NI address. My main question is, when I go to import it here, as the motorcycle market here is so relatively small, will they base the Purchase Price and subsequent VAT charge on the receipt or invoice I present with the bike, or do Revenue have a book price for every bike like they do for cars?

Invoice price

galwaytt · 04-03-2021 10:19pm

steinbock123 wrote: »

A classic bike that I want has just came up for sale in the UK. I know that if I buy it sight unseen that I can get a courier to deliver it back here for a fee. But I don’t want to buy it sight unseen, it’s a lot of money and I’d rather see it in the flesh before buying. Is there any restrictions on me going over to collect it myself, as it’s not an “essential journey “.
I would hope to get the night boat to Holyhead, the bike is about 5 hours drive from Holyhead, see it , probably buy it , load it, and be back in Holyhead for the boat back at 8 pm. I can bring all my own victuals with me, so won’t have to leave the van except for toilet breaks at service areas, with all usual Covid precautions taken.
I’m also residing more than 5km from Dublin port, so I’m breaking the law just going that far I would presume.
Anyone know what the definitive legal position is on this ?
(MOD: if this is in the wrong forum, please move)

You'd be breaking UK law too I'd have thought, there was an Irish guy fined £1200 by Welsh police recently for going over to buy a car....

I daresay an Irish reg van will stick out like a sore thumb these days too....

And when you do get to Ireland who's going to clear it at the port for Customs & VAT ?? You'll have to pre-clear it and get a PBN from Revenue just to get on the ferry home.....

It'd want to bloody special to be worth even half the bother tbh - what is it anyway?

Vrt a uk bike for 2021

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