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Bauer Media purchases Communicorp

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,028 ✭✭✭MacronvFrugals


    I wonder will the Fine Gael FM aspect of Newstalk change or stay the same


  • Registered Users Posts: 108 ✭✭SATNAV


    One wonders if Irish radio will end up like the UK and everything coming from one location / in the UK they have reduced all their local input and centralised everything.
    Also will the BAI look to split them out and require a split sale ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,830 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    I wonder will the Fine Gael FM aspect of Newstalk change or stay the same

    Or will Newstalk even continue to exist? Can't imagine it's a hot commercial property? Can the BAI insist the buyer keeps Newstalk alive before allowing such a deal to go ahead?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 40,061 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    Is bauer media a grower or a consolidator? Will they invest to challenge RTE more fully or just squeeze what they will have?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,708 ✭✭✭Infoanon


    SATNAV wrote: »
    One wonders if Irish radio will end up like the UK and everything coming from one location / in the UK they have reduced all their local input and centralised everything.
    Also with the BAI look to split them out

    And so it begins... it's been inevitable for some time that a major shake up in the Irish radio market was on the cards.
    It was strongly rumoured that communicorp was going to be offloaded and a Bauer or a Global would purchase.

    The medium to long term outlook for FM radio is poor , more acquisitions and consolidations are going to happen.

    The BAI will be faced with stations closing or allowing the inevitable to happen and ultimately Irish radio will be very similar to the current UK model within the next decade imho


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,025 ✭✭✭✭EmmetSpiceland


    Is bauer media a grower or a consolidator? Will they invest to challenge RTE more fully or just squeeze what they will have?

    They’re, probably, looking to a little further down the line when the RTÉ listenership starts to die off and the radios that were left on all day, with the dial never moving, will be turned off.

    “It is not blood that makes you Irish but a willingness to be part of the Irish nation” - Thomas Davis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,245 ✭✭✭✭Losty Dublin


    SATNAV wrote: »
    One wonders if Irish radio will end up like the UK and everything coming from one location / in the UK they have reduced all their local input and centralised everything.
    Also with the BAI look to split them out

    A very good question.

    Something the BAI have been insistent on has been keeping up significant levels of unique local and live input on Irish stations. Centralisation has not been an issue or a thing, bar for the sharing of studio locations within a few groups; ironically Communicorp themselves have been the largest beneficiary from it here. While a certain amount of pre recorded programming goes out as well, it hasn't gotten close to the levels of the UK.

    The main precedent of BAI standing up here this would be the blurred lines that was Mid West and North West, it's struggles with the IRTC and the eventual tendering of the licence which went to Ocean FM. However this was two and three decades ago, and arguably it came to be when MWR helped to fill a franchise gap at short notice; as such the case then was very different and very much of it's day. And all this happened while the UK allowed and encouraged plurality and networks and cross ownerships and skeleton staff broadcasters.

    Since then broadcasting has moved on. Cross and multi ownership is a thing; shared station studio facilities is a thing; shared staff is a thing; shared sales is a thing and crucially, shared management is a thing. Staff are working from their kitchens and bedrooms, with music and production and news being played and written and created on cloud systems when once we used Cart's and 1/4".

    The case for doing it local is weakening in many respects; however is it not more important to keep it sounding and being more local? This is what the BAI needs to ask and this is what Bauer need to decide if they want to keep it or to try and worm their way out of it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,453 ✭✭✭jmcc


    First IN&M shares being sold for about 43.5 million after Dinny spent 500 million acquiring them and now this exit? Will the proceeds of this sale go into Digicel? Media diversity in Ireland always was a joke after FF/FG/Labour destroyed the pirate radio stations for their cronies.

    Regards...jmcc


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,484 ✭✭✭Macy0161


    3 "drivetime" talk output (4 if you include game on), it could do with a bit of a shake up/ easing of requirements to some degree.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,198 ✭✭✭Murt10


    Really glad that's happened.

    For years Irish politicians were terrified of saying anything about O'Brien, and calling him out, in case some of the media he controlled took exception and decided they were fair game.

    Murdock and Maxwell were the same.

    None of these multi media barons needed to directly say anything about a particular politician. The editors of the media network they controlled, knew which side their bread was buttered on, and attacked anyone, especially politicians, who spoke out against anyone or anything that wasn't in the best interest of the owner.

    Politicians come up for reelection every 4-5 years. This puts them in a very weak position if they want to criticise anything these media barons do or say.

    I believe that the only reason these types own the media is not for the ownership itself, but for the power it gives them over politicians who are afraid to say anything about their other dodgy deals.

    Must admit to being particularly delighted when O'Briens attempt to offload his huge Caribbean Digicell company on Wall St and failed. Did he really think that serious investors were going to be conned into buying that overpriced, loss making, debt ridden, pig in a poke off him?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,830 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Catherine Martin said:
    “Any media companies involved in mergers have to seek clearance from the minister on the grounds for assessment that it won’t damage media diversity."

    So maybe when you get down to brass tacks the answer to this is yes...
    Can the BAI insist the buyer keeps Newstalk alive before allowing such a deal to go ahead?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,453 ✭✭✭jmcc


    Catherine Martin said:
    “Any media companies involved in mergers have to seek clearance from the minister on the grounds for assessment that it won’t damage media diversity."

    So maybe when you get down to brass tacks the answer to this is yes...
    Media diversity? Is this something that has only recently been discovered in the bowels of Dail Eireann?

    Regards...jmcc


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,122 ✭✭✭Imhof Tank


    SATNAV wrote: »
    One wonders if Irish radio will end up like the UK and everything coming from one location / in the UK they have reduced all their local input and centralised everything.
    Also will the BAI look to split them out and require a split sale ?

    Have heard that alright, but when last over there was surprised when driving around East Midlands area hitting scan on the car radio and it comes up with BBC Derby, BBC Nottingham, BBC Leicester, BBC Cambridge, BBC Northampton, BBC Lincoln, BBC Rutland - they seemed to all do their own local news, sports etc.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,240 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    Yeah, in terms of Irish radio there's very little diversity. Budget aside, take the BBC range and ignore all other UK stations, there' a massive range of stations catering for everyone. Irish radio is generally the same no matter what station. The ones that are a bit unique, such as 8Radio and 2XM, aren't even on FM.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,457 ✭✭✭Tork


    That ban on Irish Times journalists should never have been allowed to stand. You can say what you want about the publication but it is one of the biggest selling papers we have. They shouldn't have been censored like this.


  • Posts: 2,827 [Deleted User]


    I'm happy that he has destroyed hundreds of millions of his own personal wealth on playing at being a Media Mogul.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    Wonder will Bauer shank some of the newstalk shows in the back with an axe, I’m thinking of the breakfast show.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,240 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    They're going to be pretty restricted by licencing though. That in itself needs a huge overhaul. News and speech on music stations is ridiculous, with internet radio it just drives people to internet and international stations.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,457 ✭✭✭Tork


    Hurrache wrote: »
    They're going to be pretty restricted by licencing though. That in itself needs a huge overhaul. News and speech on music stations is ridiculous, with internet radio it just drives people to internet and international stations.

    I agree. You'd wonder would 4FM be more successful if it was allowed to broadcast nationwide and just become the Irish version of BBC Radio 2. Lose Niall Boylan etc. For anybody outside of Dublin who's over 30, there's very little choice. When I'm in the car these days, I just use Spotify if I want to listen to music. There's more than enough talk on the radio as it is, between Radio 1, Newstalk and the local stations. All that's left for me is 2FM and Today FM and they're aimed at a young audience.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,453 ✭✭✭jmcc


    Tork wrote: »
    I agree. You'd wonder would 4FM be more successful if it was allowed to broadcast nationwide and just become the Irish version of BBC Radio 2. Lose Niall Boylan etc. For anybody outside of Dublin who's over 30, there's very little choice. When I'm in the car these days, I just use Spotify if I want to listen to music. There's more than enough talk on the radio as it is, between Radio 1, Newstalk and the local stations. All that's left for me is 2FM and Today FM and they're aimed at a young audience.
    Not so sure about that. The way that people listen to music and radio stations seems to have changed. Covid has also massively altered listenership figures because fewer people are stuck in traffic jams and on buses.

    Regards...jmcc


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 873 ✭✭✭More Music


    Murt10 wrote: »
    Really glad that's happened.

    For years Irish politicians were terrified of saying anything about O'Brien, and calling him out, in case some of the media he controlled took exception and decided they were fair game.

    Murdock and Maxwell were the same........

    ?

    Why do you think Yvonne Bauer of Bauer Media is any different?


  • Registered Users Posts: 533 ✭✭✭tv3tg4


    The licences will protect some shows.
    More sports perhaps?


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I wonder will the Fine Gael FM aspect of Newstalk change or stay the same

    I assume you never listened to Ivan yeats in the all years he was presenting?

    Such a silly lazy comment


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,176 ✭✭✭Declan A Walsh


    I wonder will the Fine Gael FM aspect of Newstalk change or stay the same

    Mayo_fan wrote: »
    I assume you never listened to Ivan yeats in the all years he was presenting?

    Such a silly lazy comment

    Mayo_fan: I presume the previous poster is suggesting that there is at least somewhat of a Fine Gael orientation in Newstalk. That would obviously include one Ivan Yates, ex Fine-Gael TD. So you seem to be saying the same thing as the poster! Or are you suggesting the opposite applied to Ivan Yates? :confused:


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Mayo_fan: I presume the previous poster is suggesting that there is at least somewhat of a Fine Gael orientation in Newstalk. That would obviously include one Ivan Yates, ex Fine-Gael TD. So you seem to be saying the same thing as the poster! Or are you suggesting the opposite applied to Ivan Yates? :confused:

    The original poster I quoted alluded to this company being a pro fg company.

    Ivan Yates while a fg minister at one stage is no longer a friend of fg and didn’t hold back when he had did show. If anything he was harsher to fg to prove a point


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,461 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    I'd imagine that between Bauer and Wireless there'll be a massive push for deregulation now. Especially when it comes to networking, music requirements & speech/talk quotas.

    If Bauer are serious about the Irish market and if there's further deregulation I can see them start to buy up and consolidate the regional/local stations with networked programming. Spin North West/Spin North East for example.

    If this is the road we are going down, Global would be a company that would be nice to see over here. Whatever about the lack of local content/lack of presenters etc, their UK stations are really doing what the audience want them to do and they sound top notch. Radio listenership, especially amongst younger listeners, is lower in Ireland than the UK and Irish radio needs to evolve to what the listener wants rather than the longing for local radio etc, sad as it is from the industry point of view.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,656 ✭✭✭rogue-entity


    ...won’t damage media diversity...
    They could start by repealing the Broadcasting Act of 2009, allow interested parties to apply for licenses, and not allow one company or individual to own multiple stations across the country.
    Hurrache wrote: »
    The ones that are a bit unique, such as 8Radio and 2XM, aren't even on FM.
    Indeed, I do wonder why
    Tork wrote: »
    For anybody outside of Dublin who's over 30, there's very little choice.
    Try living in the South East


  • Registered Users Posts: 50 ✭✭Insidethetent


    Here's where the BAI has to grow a backbone or simply admit craven defeat in the face of an organisation with significant regulatory engagement experience (with Ofcom UK).

    The BAI is notoriously beholden to the incumbent broadcaster and has historically shown regulatory capture (NOVA - country mix/sunshine - lite fm/classic hits format changes, DAB stillborn, phantom fm/txfm licence giveaway, spirit nationwide 'fill in' FM transmitters to name just a few instances).


    The BAI compares unfavourably against other statutory regulators such as comreg with minimal regulatory consultation, no published regulatory impact assessment analyses, minimal public engagement. A quick scan of their respective websites clearly shows the BAI regulatory shortcomings. This pales into insignificance against Ofcom's workflow and engagement.


    Bauer will have analysed the cross-market opportunity in the Irish market based on their ability to quickly impose their model of consolidation and cost containment on a captured regulator who has consistently demonstrated their inherent weakness. Maintaining business as usual will certainly not have passed any due diligance pre-bid board approval.

    How long before we see Bauer Ireland consolidated into their UK-based programming/sales/regulatory processes?
    Or maybe they'll take a wider view and consolidate their UK/Irish operations into Europe by establishing an office here?


    Let's see what happens.....


  • Registered Users Posts: 110 ✭✭Chopper Dave


    I know that recent years have focussed on DOB as owner and it's probably the same now for many media companies, but it is sad to see an Irish grown company disappear into a pan European giant. During the 1990s, Communicorp/98FM assembled a great team of people who expanded all over Eastern Europe as well as in Ireland. What they did, they did very well.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,830 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Or will Newstalk even continue to exist? Can't imagine it's a hot commercial property?

    Or maybe Bauer will go down this road...
    https://twitter.com/azamc25/status/1364894653443620867


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 40,061 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    Newstalk is up and down depending on one's like/dislike of various presenters but it is a success in the market as a talk radio station. They need to boost that with a few heavyweight names


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 672 ✭✭✭TheBMG


    Was only thinking about this earlier.

    With the imminent departure of Denis does this mean the only two independent stations who still retain the same ownership from day one are South East Radio and Mid West Radio?

    (I’m talking about the first tranche of stations licensed by the then IRTC back in 1989)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,245 ✭✭✭✭Losty Dublin


    TheBMG wrote: »
    Was only thinking about this earlier.

    With the imminent departure of Denis does this mean the only two independent stations who still retain the same ownership from day one are South East Radio and Mid West Radio?

    (I’m talking about the first tranche of stations licensed by the then IRTC back in 1989)

    You'd be broadly right on those two though off of my head I think Radio Kerry are still broadly owned by the same shareholders as well. Of the three of them South East don't seem to have ever grown or expanded as a broadcaster.

    Guess they are all doing something right if they can hold firm in today's climate.


  • Registered Users Posts: 105 ✭✭Jonathan1990


    I've been trying to figure out which UK radio station all Irish stations are the equivalent of and here's what I think.

    RTÉ Radio 1 = BBC Radio 2, BBC Radio 4 and BBC Radio 5 Live
    RTÉ 2FM = BBC Radio 1
    RTÉ Lyric FM = BBC Radio 3
    RTÉ Raidió Na Galletachta = BBC Radio Nan Gáidheal (Scotland), BBC Radio Cymru (Wales) and nothing in England
    RTÉ 2XM = BBC Radio 6 Music
    RTÉ Pulse = Capital Dance
    RTÉ Gold = Global's Gold
    RTÉ Junior = Fun Kids
    RTÉ Chill = Smooth
    Today FM = Capital (although other people are saying Heart)
    Newstalk = LBC
    98FM = Greatest Hits Radio
    Spin1038 = Kiss
    Radio Nova = Planet Rock
    Q102 = Magic


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 886 ✭✭✭radiotrickster


    Today FM = Capital (although other people are saying Heart)
    Spin1038 = Kiss

    From a content perspective, I’d say Today is closer to Absolute. Spin is the equivalent of Capital.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,134 ✭✭✭mollser


    I hope they bring Kerrang Radio to Ireland, proper modern rock station!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,609 ✭✭✭ford fiesta


    mollser wrote: »
    I hope they bring Kerrang Radio to Ireland, proper modern rock station!

    just listen to it on line instead if they don't !!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,457 ✭✭✭Tork


    My understanding is that there isn't any more room on the FM band for new stations. DAB is a dead duck too. I don't think any new stations will have any options but to be online only.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,708 ✭✭✭Infoanon


    Tork wrote: »
    My understanding is that there isn't any more room on the FM band for new stations. DAB is a dead duck too. I don't think any new stations will have any options but to be online only.

    There is room on the FM band but there is no willingness to issue new licences, retain the status quo is the only game in town , hence no interest in having any competition from DAB.

    The notion of eg putting the Kerrang format on to an Irish station is simply not possible under the current licence requirements.


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,461 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    I can see this new venture leading to significant requests for deregulation in the name of "viability" or something like that.

    Bauer recently in the the UK have bought up swathes of ILRs around the UK in order to launch their Greatest Hits Radio network. I wonder will they take a similar approach in Ireland. Them having two networked youth stations means they could look at acquiring iRadio or RedFM/Beat (same owner) and network those going forward.

    Today FM will likely see some restructuring. I can see The Last Word being the first item into the bin, it makes no sense for them to have two national drivetime current affairs shows competing with one another and no nationwide music drivetime show. Today FM will likely turn into a Heart/Hits Radio type national music outlet. There is a massive gap in the market for a service like this which is very, very popular in the UK.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,176 ✭✭✭Declan A Walsh


    marno21 wrote: »
    I can see this new venture leading to significant requests for deregulation in the name of "viability" or something like that.

    Bauer recently in the the UK have bought up swathes of ILRs around the UK in order to launch their Greatest Hits Radio network. I wonder will they take a similar approach in Ireland. Them having two networked youth stations means they could look at acquiring iRadio or RedFM/Beat (same owner) and network those going forward.

    Today FM will likely see some restructuring. I can see The Last Word being the first item into the bin, it makes no sense for them to have two national drivetime current affairs shows competing with one another and no nationwide music drivetime show. Today FM will likely turn into a Heart/Hits Radio type national music outlet. There is a massive gap in the market for a service like this which is very, very popular in the UK.

    Is there not a competition issue then? I seem to remember that Communicorp were not allowed buy a stake in any more stations because of competition concerns. Isn't that how Wireless ended up with FM104 and Q102?


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,461 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    Is there not a competition issue then? I seem to remember that Communicorp were not allowed buy a stake in any more stations because of competition concerns. Isn't that how Wireless ended up with FM104 and Q102?

    I meant geographic spread for Bauer. They already have 2 of the 6 15-34 licences. There’s no overlap between these licence areas so no competition concerns. Bauer own no local licences in the areas of the other 4 services.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,176 ✭✭✭Declan A Walsh


    marno21 wrote: »
    I meant geographic spread for Bauer. They already have 2 of the 6 15-34 licences. There’s no overlap between these licence areas so no competition concerns. Bauer own no local licences in the areas of the other 4 services.

    Would the total number of licenses nationwide not be taken into account as well?


  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    marno21 wrote: »
    I meant geographic spread for Bauer. They already have 2 of the 6 15-34 licences. There’s no overlap between these licence areas so no competition concerns. Bauer own no local licences in the areas of the other 4 services.

    But they do have two stations which broadcast in those local areas.

    No chance they'd be given the go ahead to acquire any other stations.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Ah,Remember those innocent days of early 1989,after the pirates were closed down,and we looked forward to legal local radio in Ireland........


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,176 ✭✭✭Declan A Walsh


    Ah,Remember those innocent days of early 1989,after the pirates were closed down,and we looked forward to legal local radio in Ireland........

    Innocent in more ways than one! A handful of pirates around the country defied the closedown at the end of 1988 and there was a big renewal of pirate activity, particularly in Dublin, during the 1990s. To this day, there is still some pirate activity, albeit on a smaller scale, largely in Dublin, Cork City and in border areas. All you have to do is look at the Bandscan Thread.

    Going back to the main subject of this thread, how things have changed! When Radio Ireland/Today FM launched in 1997, Communicorp did not own Today FM and Newstalk, Spin103 and SPIN SW did not exist.


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,461 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    Faugheen wrote: »
    But they do have two stations which broadcast in those local areas.

    No chance they'd be given the go ahead to acquire any other stations.

    But by that logic they would be allowed to acquire stations in those areas. They own 4 stations in Dublin, 3 in the Spin SW area, so what's wrong with increasing from 2 to 3 in the NW/NE?

    I would imagine (this in the future after deregulation attempts) they came into the Irish market to acquire and consolidate, just as they have done in the UK.
    Would the total number of licenses nationwide not be taken into account as well?

    Unless there are competition considerations in particular markets I don't see why they would. Buying Radio Kerry would be an issue as they already control Spin, but they don't control local/regional stations outside of Dublin and the SW regional area.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11 Pete Best


    To this day, there is still some pirate activity, albeit on a smaller scale, largely in Dublin, Cork City and in border areas.

    No border pirate activity for quite some time now, other than wild Country on 103.6 which hasn’t been active for a while, although I gather it’s on the Free DAB mux.

    I had thought some enterprising souls may have taken advantage of the lockdown and activated a few of the hilltop transmitter sites, and I wouldn’t think Comreg would bother under these circumstances.

    It’ll be interesting to see what Bauer do with Today FM. A few over on Digital Spy have speculated they could turn it into Greatest Hits Radio Ireland, or Kiss FM Ireland, although I think the various iRadio and Spin stations pretty much cover that age demographic.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11 Pete Best


    98FM = Greatest Hits Radio

    Greatest Hits Radio plays oldies from the 70’s-90’s and I don’t think 98FM does that, even their online throwback station, which would be similar to Capital Extra reloaded.

    It’s say 98FM would be the equivalent of Heart U.K.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 945 ✭✭✭Colonel Claptrap


    Surely Pat Kenny is close to retirement. Who can fill his boots within Newstalk?

    I predict a shake up.


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