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Coronavirus and the effect on Public transport

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  • #2152
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    punisher5112 wrote: »
    I wasn't saying that, I was just answering to why I believe it may be happening.
    They were definitely having issues due to drivers having to do different routes and stick in traffic.

    Heard lately they have even been throwing passengers off as they can go on to get back on time at the other terminus.
    Not sure if true or not but that isn't on at all.

    Have you contacted GAI and the nta.
    If not do so and don't bother on twitter, contact the CEO of each.
    NTA is Anne Graham

    I’ve found GAI incredibly difficult to deal with, from blatant lying, to just ignoring complaints. They seem to reply quickly enough when you cc local TDs in your emails.


  • #2153
    .anon.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,094 ✭✭✭.anon.


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    I’ve found GAI incredibly difficult to deal with, from blatant lying, to just ignoring complaints. They seem to reply quickly enough when you cc local TDs in your emails.

    You tweet them a lot, and your tone is always very demanding and unreasonable, so they've probably dismissed you as a crank.


  • #2154
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    .anon. wrote: »
    You tweet them a lot, and your tone is always very demanding and unreasonable, so they've probably dismissed you as a crank.

    I tweet them when they don’t provide the service they're paid to provide, it’s hardly my fault that’s a lot.


  • #2155
    GT89
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,770 ✭✭✭GT89


    .anon. wrote: »
    When passenger numbers allow, they occasionally transfer passengers from a bus that's running late onto the next one, if they're running close together. It's not ideal, but Dublin Bus used to do the same (I don't know if they still do). It certainly wouldn't be company policy to just throw passengers off unless there was another bus to throw them onto.

    Yeah I think DB call that turning short and apparently it has not been agreed to by SIPTU at least as of 2017
    http://www.dublinbusdrivers.com/turningshort.html


  • #2156
    L1011
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,544 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Pretty standard service recovery procedure - ensure passengers aren't further delayed by the swap and get a vehicle back the opposite direction. Only practical on high frequency routes.

    Irish operators of all kinds need to study how others do service recovery - Irish Rail are incompetent at it when there's signalling issues or stopped trains even where they have alternative paths, bi directional signalling and so on


  • #2157
    pottokblue
    Registered Users Posts: 1,531 ✭✭✭pottokblue


    as on other thread DB have been great during lockdown but its a shame that they are cutting the hospital routes during this period. Have they indicated a timeframe for this enhanced saturday schedule as i'm spending 20e a pop on taxis instead of 2.55e on bus


  • #2158
    punisher5112
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,644 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    pottokblue wrote: »
    as on other thread DB have been great during lockdown but its a shame that they are cutting the hospital routes during this period. Have they indicated a timeframe for this enhanced saturday schedule as i'm spending 20e a pop on taxis instead of 2.55e on bus

    Which hospital routes are cut?

    If it's say the 7 they put extra works on for the peak times and if there are issues contact them and they will add if needs be....

    They done this in the 1st lockdown where it went to Saturday service for a good number of weeks.


  • #2159
    GT89
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,770 ✭✭✭GT89


    pottokblue wrote: »
    Have they indicated a timeframe for this enhanced saturday schedule as i'm spending 20e a pop on taxis instead of 2.55e on bus

    Probably will go back to M-F timetables once schools return


  • #2160
    thenightman
    Registered Users Posts: 561 ✭✭✭thenightman


    Finished work later than anticipated yesterday so just missed the sole Xpresso service still serving Clondalkin (51d at 5.15) so jumped Luas up to James to catch the 13 instead. 15 min wait and myself, another guy who was there before and a woman and with a toddler in her arms who arrived after me eventually waiting at the stop. Bus arrives and lad gets on first and I let the woman and toddler on ahead of me. I go to get on and driver (who saw me let her ahead of me) says bus is full (it wasn't, wheelchair/buggy space was empty.) I had been working in an essential government service since 8am that morning and also had a heavy backpack crammed full of files to do at home.

    30 min wait for next 13 to Clondalkin, so I got a citybound 13 (that was jammed!) and got the 69 home. Left office at 5.10 and got home just after 7pm. The joys of commuting on public transport during Covid.


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  • #2161
    punisher5112
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,644 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    thenightman wrote: »
    Finished work later than anticipated yesterday so just missed the sole Xpresso service still serving Clondalkin (51d at 5.15) so jumped Luas up to James to catch the 13 instead. 15 min wait and myself, another guy who was there before and a woman and with a toddler in her arms who arrived after me eventually waiting at the stop. Bus arrives and lad gets on first and I let the woman and toddler on ahead of me. I go to get on and driver (who saw me let her ahead of me) says bus is full (it wasn't, wheelchair/buggy space was empty.) I had been working in an essential government service since 8am that morning and also had a heavy backpack crammed full of files to do at home.

    30 min wait for next 13 to Clondalkin, so I got a citybound 13 (that was jammed!) and got the 69 home. Left office at 5.10 and got home just after 7pm. The joys of commuting on public transport during Covid.

    1st come 1st served....

    Just because someone isn't in wheelchair area doesn't mean the bus isn't full...

    People are thick and sit everywhere they aren't meant to...


    You should have got on as you were there before, it's just how it is at the moment and we as Drivers aren't getting joy out of turning passengers down.


  • #2162
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    thenightman wrote: »
    Finished work later than anticipated yesterday so just missed the sole Xpresso service still serving Clondalkin (51d at 5.15) so jumped Luas up to James to catch the 13 instead. 15 min wait and myself, another guy who was there before and a woman and with a toddler in her arms who arrived after me eventually waiting at the stop. Bus arrives and lad gets on first and I let the woman and toddler on ahead of me. I go to get on and driver (who saw me let her ahead of me) says bus is full (it wasn't, wheelchair/buggy space was empty.) I had been working in an essential government service since 8am that morning and also had a heavy backpack crammed full of files to do at home.

    30 min wait for next 13 to Clondalkin, so I got a citybound 13 (that was jammed!) and got the 69 home. Left office at 5.10 and got home just after 7pm. The joys of commuting on public transport during Covid.

    My morning commute has changed too. GoAhead decided to pull the only bus that got me to work at around 9am, normally around 8:50. So my choices are get the earlier bus and get to work before 8am, over an hour early, or the later bus and get to work at 9:25/9:30, half an hour late. They are literally the only public transport that runs that route, there is no other way to get there.


  • #2163
    el Fenomeno
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,324 ✭✭✭el Fenomeno


    Will there be another extension for tax saver tickets?

    I took the extra 6 months instead of a refund, but that's been no good to me.


  • #2164
    .anon.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,094 ✭✭✭.anon.


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    My morning commute has changed too. GoAhead decided to pull the only bus that got me to work at around 9am, normally around 8:50. So my choices are get the earlier bus and get to work before 8am, over an hour early, or the later bus and get to work at 9:25/9:30, half an hour late. They are literally the only public transport that runs that route, there is no other way to get there.

    They didn't decide anything. The NTA did. However, if these changes impact upon several people, and not just yourself, it might be worth contacting them (politely, if you can manage that) and getting others to do so too, because they might be able to add an extra bus to meet demand, subject to the NTA giving them permission.


  • #2165
    GT89
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,770 ✭✭✭GT89


    punisher5112 wrote: »
    People are thick and sit everywhere they aren't meant to...

    To be fair a lot of the signs are missing


  • #2166
    punisher5112
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,644 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    GT89 wrote: »
    To be fair a lot of the signs are missing

    Since the 1st day they will sit on them....

    I know they do be pulled off sure see them out on the streets....

    People are that dim they will sit anywhere and find a lot they will be on top of eachother even after all this time....


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  • #2167
    GT89
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,770 ✭✭✭GT89


    There's people on twitter who complain to DB every day that buses are passing by them full at stops due to social distancing capacity then when buses do pick them up they complain buses are too busy and they feel unsafe.


  • #2168
    punisher5112
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,644 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    GT89 wrote: »
    There's people on twitter who complain to DB every day that buses are passing by them full at stops due to social distancing capacity then when buses do pick them up they complain buses are too busy and they feel unsafe.

    Unfortunately there is no cure for stupid.....


  • #2169
    GT89
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,770 ✭✭✭GT89


    punisher5112 wrote: »
    Unfortunately there is no cure for stupid.....

    Very true it's usually the same people everyday too


  • #2170
    dashcamdanny
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,920 ✭✭✭dashcamdanny


    Timing point are incoming rapidly for Dublin bus.

    Going to take a long time to get home soon. Buses driving around like snails on empty roads. Full buses sitting at stops with doors closed ..

    I expect alot of pissed of people.


  • #2171
    .anon.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,094 ✭✭✭.anon.


    dashcamdanny wrote: »
    Timing point are incoming rapidly for Dublin bus.

    Going to take a long time to get home soon. Buses driving around like snails on empty roads. Full buses sitting at stops with doors closed ..

    I expect alot of pissed of people.

    Journeys won't take any longer than the timetable currently states. I have more sympathy for the people who currently get left at the bus stop because their bus passed it ten minutes before it was due. Timing points are a fundamentally good idea, but they should be done alongside reasonable timetables - which would require bus priority measures that eliminate the effect that private cars have on the speed of public transport.


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  • #2172
    Leonard Hofstadter
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,541 ✭✭✭Leonard Hofstadter


    Will Monday to Friday timetables be restored from next week, now that we know the schools are starting to come back from Monday?


  • #2173
    .anon.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,094 ✭✭✭.anon.


    Leonard Hofstadter wrote: »
    Will Monday to Friday timetables be restored from next week, now that we know the schools are starting to come back from Monday?

    I don't think it'll be quite that soon (haven't heard anything yet anyway), but a lot of kids will be getting left behind at bus stops if they aren't restored soon.


  • #2174
    Midnight_EG
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,717 ✭✭✭Midnight_EG


    Word is we're staying on Saturday+ until May


  • #2175
    punisher5112
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,644 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    They will just add in extra buses where needed like before.

    Garages are full of free buses.
    Ax and Ev are all parked in the shed in Donnybrook, mirrors removed.


  • #2176
    GT89
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,770 ✭✭✭GT89


    Leonard Hofstadter wrote: »
    Will Monday to Friday timetables be restored from next week, now that we know the schools are starting to come back from Monday?

    Only primary schools (junior infants-2nd class) and 6th years going back. It's generally mostly secondary school children relying on public transport to get to and from school.


  • #2177
    GT89
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,770 ✭✭✭GT89


    .anon. wrote: »
    Journeys won't take any longer than the timetable currently states. I have more sympathy for the people who currently get left at the bus stop because their bus passed it ten minutes before it was due. Timing points are a fundamentally good idea, but they should be done alongside reasonable timetables - which would require bus priority measures that eliminate the effect that private cars have on the speed of public transport.

    With the exception of route 84 Dublin bus don't have timing points presently buses only have departure from the terminus. Buses are not due at a particular time at a particular stop. If people miss a bus chances are it left the terminus on time or was late.

    The timing points model works better for lower frequency route meaning it's works well for GAI and low frequency DB routes. For high frequency DB routes an even headway system would work better this means instead of running to fixed times drivers avoid running too close to the bus in front in order tomprevent bunching.


  • #2178
    thenightman
    Registered Users Posts: 561 ✭✭✭thenightman


    GT89 wrote: »
    Only primary schools (junior infants-2nd class) and 6th years going back. It's generally mostly secondary school children relying on public transport to get to and from school.


    I've been left behind by my once hourly route after work at 5pm & 6pm last Thursday, Friday & this lovely evening at 6pm cos bus is 'at capacity' by the outskirts of the city centre. To say that the increase in teachers & more people going back to work because kids are back in school won't add more passengers on at capacity peak time services is nonsense and ignoring reality. They should at least restore the X services to pre level 5 levels morning & evening.


  • #2179
    pottokblue
    Registered Users Posts: 1,531 ✭✭✭pottokblue


    I'm making the early morning route again usually about 1-5 on the bus, nighttime maybe 1-10. I'm still suprised that peeps aren't opening windows near them. Sunday afternoon I got the bus to see a friend and the driver started flashing the indoor lights at the last stop for a split second I felt I was back in the pub when they flashed the lights for "last drinks/last destination".


  • #2180
    ongarboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,201 ✭✭✭ongarboy


    I had to go for a dental appointment in IFSC on Wednesday and attempted to use Docklands train to get home but the whole place was shuttered when I arrived and no train timetable online. I tried to google but don't see one word anywhere about it being closed due to COVID. Is there an official status as to why it's closed and when it'll reopen?


  • #2181
    L1011
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,544 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Saturday timetable since the start of January. It's a Monday-Friday station


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  • #2182
    Vic_08
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,057 ✭✭✭Vic_08


    ongarboy wrote: »
    I had to go for a dental appointment in IFSC on Wednesday and attempted to use Docklands train to get home but the whole place was shuttered when I arrived and no train timetable online. I tried to google but don't see one word anywhere about it being closed due to COVID. Is there an official status as to why it's closed and when it'll reopen?

    https://www.irishrail.ie/en-IE/train-timetables/revised-timetable-in-operation-from-11th-january#maynoothm3dart

    Reduced due to Covid: Saturday service on commuter lines, Docklands is only open Mon-Fri.


  • #2183
    ongarboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,201 ✭✭✭ongarboy


    So in essence, no service to Docklands Monday to Friday as it never had a Saturday service? Why not just list it as being shut? Infrequent users won't know that a Saturday Docklands service Monday to Friday means no service.


  • #2184
    r93kaey5p2izun
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,962 ✭✭✭r93kaey5p2izun


    Is Go Ahead currently operating a normal Monday-Friday service (with 25% capacity)?


  • #2185
    Mr.Crinklewood
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,505 ✭✭✭✭Mr.Crinklewood


    Emerald Blue Mail wrote: »
    Is Go Ahead currently operating a normal Monday-Friday service (with 25% capacity)?

    Yes,though I've been on a bus that exceeded that.


  • #2186
    r93kaey5p2izun
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,962 ✭✭✭r93kaey5p2izun


    Mr.Crinklewood wrote: »
    Yes,though I've been on a bus that exceeded that.

    Thanks, I fully expect the 76 to be jammers, I just wasn't sure about the timetable, with DB running to Saturday times.


  • #2187
    Midnight_EG
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,717 ✭✭✭Midnight_EG


    Emerald Blue Mail wrote: »
    Thanks, I fully expect the 76 to be jammers, I just wasn't sure about the timetable, with DB running to Saturday times.

    No, GAI are running to the Saturday Plus timetables too


  • #2188
    r93kaey5p2izun
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,962 ✭✭✭r93kaey5p2izun


    Midnight_EG wrote: »
    No, GAI are running to the Saturday Plus timetables too

    OK. Thanks. Looking at it now, is the timetable currently listed under each route the Saturday Plus - valid from 24th Jan? So the normal timetable is no longer listed?


  • #2189
    Vic_08
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,057 ✭✭✭Vic_08


    ongarboy wrote: »
    So in essence, no service to Docklands Monday to Friday as it never had a Saturday service? Why not just list it as being shut? Infrequent users won't know that a Saturday Docklands service Monday to Friday means no service.

    I agree with you, especially as they have removed all the timetable PDFs from the website.


  • #2190
    dublinman1990
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,533 ✭✭✭dublinman1990


    A fire has destroyed a large number of buses in Los Angeles.


    https://youtu.be/DZ0XODG5wmA

    Sorry I am posting link on mobile.


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  • #2191
    Zebra3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,946 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    dublinman1990 wrote: »
    A fire has destroyed a large number of buses in Los Angeles.


    https://youtu.be/DZ0XODG5wmA

    Sorry I am posting link on mobile.

    The virus starting fires now?


  • #2192
    CIARAN_BOYLE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,599 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    Any word on how long the Saturday service will continue for?

    The combination of Saturday service and the return of schools is not good for travel.

    Am noticing the odd bus service not running too. I suppose it happens with people calling in sick it can happen but 30 minutes between busses can be a pain in the morning at rush hour.


  • #2193
    L1011
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,544 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Until construction activities return probably, although they will really have to look at the buses when the next batch of schools open


  • #2194
    Zebra3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,946 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »
    Any word on how long the Saturday service will continue for?

    The combination of Saturday service and the return of schools is not good for travel.

    Am noticing the odd bus service not running too. I suppose it happens with people calling in sick it can happen but 30 minutes between busses can be a pain in the morning at rush hour.

    Have been denied getting on 3 buses yesterday evening and this morning cos they were “full”.

    Losing so much time and almost late this morning for work as a result.


  • #2195
    thenightman
    Registered Users Posts: 561 ✭✭✭thenightman


    My 7.30am bus has been full by the time it gets to me last 2 mornings so got up earlier and got the 6.55am one instead today so am hanging around work longer now. 3 free seats on it when I got on. Surely defeats the purpose of running less buses because of Covid, if those buses are now full of more people (thus more covid risk) than if a regular service was operated even just at morning/evening peak. Same with the useless Garda check/stand around and chatpoints that block bus lanes, you just end up sitting on busy buses for longer.

    No thought put into this by our political/medical betters, probably cos none of them rely on public transport to get to work to begin with.


  • #2196
    GT89
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,770 ✭✭✭GT89


    GAI adding some extra departures from Monday
    https://www.goaheadireland.ie/odma-timetable-change-sunday-8th-march


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  • #2197
    BonnieSituation
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,085 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    Conyngham Road have been sending an extra 69 out from the garage for the 7:20 departure to Rathcoole.

    Doesn't enter service until Inchicore.

    At 25% capacity I've managed to not be able to get a seat at Islandbridge which is madness!


  • #2198
    Zebra3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,946 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    One of twelve a bus passed by this afternoon. Things are way busier, kids back at school, need more capacity on DB.


  • #2199
    ax586
    Registered Users Posts: 234 ✭✭ax586


    Zebra3 wrote: »
    One of twelve a bus passed by this afternoon. Things are way busier, kids back at school, need more capacity on DB.
    Its upto the nta and government to up capacity


  • #2200
    GT89
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,770 ✭✭✭GT89


    Is the limit on double deckers 17 or 23 now?


  • #2201
    r93kaey5p2izun
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,962 ✭✭✭r93kaey5p2izun


    They are sending 2 buses at a time for my bus this week. It has been full from the 5th stop for the past few weeks.


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