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Rank Irish political parties on their willingness to discriminate against men/similar

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 671 ✭✭✭Plopsu


    All four major parties will happily do it because it will gain votes from women and won't lose them from men.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,911 ✭✭✭✭Dial Hard


    The political parties that are overwhelmingly made up of men?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 671 ✭✭✭Plopsu


    Dial Hard wrote:
    The political parties that are overwhelmingly made up of men?

    Yup. Read it again. If it wins votes from women and doesn't lose them from men, it's a winner for all the male politicians


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,887 ✭✭✭iptba


    iptba wrote: »
    I am not happy with the following proposal put forward by a Fine Gael minister

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/education/funds-for-women-only-professorships-aim-to-end-gender-inequality-1.3693939


    --

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/fears-over-jobs-for-the-girls-backlash-as-high-education-minister-to-create-professor-posts-only-for-women-to-end-bias-37514739.html

    Ideally I would prefer not to vote for political parties who support such discrimination against men.

    I don't follow Irish politics that closely. I wonder which parties people consider are most likely to discriminate against men or alternatively, are least likely to discriminate against men.
    I thought I would leave it 24 hours before posting any opinions.

    I am very suspicious of Labour on this issue.
    I remember that they were the first people to bring in gender quotas/targets in the 1990s under Mervyn Taylor. As I recall, the Education minister Niamh Breathnach was quite zealous on this issue e.g. if I recall correctly, the president of the student union in NUIG wasn't let sit on the governing board of the college for 6 months because he was male and the gender quota/target wasn't reached.

    In the last number of years, Ivana Bacik has been prominent and I think she would be quite willing to push for gender quotas/targets and probably all sorts of other things like women-only positions. I believe she was the main person behind the gender quotas/targets for political parties. I get the impression most politicians would be wary of challenging her and her proposals, except on traditional issues like abortion. Though I do remember now that one one Labour TD, Joanne Tuffy, was willing to speak up to say that she wasn't happy with gender quotas/targets for politicians.

    Labour's last alternative budget had a section for women, and I think they have had something similar before regarding the budget and/or a section on helping women in their manifestoes, without having any similar section on men.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,887 ✭✭✭iptba


    iptba wrote: »
    In the last number of years, Ivana Bacik has been prominent and I think she would be quite willing to push for gender quotas/targets and probably all sorts of other things like women-only positions. I believe she was the main person behind the gender quotas/targets for political parties. I get the impression most politicians would be wary of challenging her and her proposals, except on traditional issues like abortion.
    Not long after I posted this article by her went online supporting the women-only professorships:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 408 ✭✭Defunkd


    I'm cautious about Zappone. Represented by Bacik - for free - in her bid to have her marriage recognised in the Rep.; nominated to the Senate by Gilmore or Rabbitte. Former CEO or Chairman of the Natl Women's Council and here she is with a Ministerial position after a very short run as an Independent TD (Labour in everything but name maybe?) One way or another, she owes them big.
    Mightn't be as overt as other Lab. but i've no doubt she pushes the agends...Labour Lite.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 408 ✭✭Defunkd


    Maybe it'd be easier to list politicians who have opposed any discriminatory policies rather than scaling parties on their acquiescence?
    I haven't heard of any Minister/T.D. speak against the proposed female-only positions; all parties have embraced gender quotas and the criminalising of the 'purchaser of sex only' legislation passed easily. I must check and see who voted against it/abstained.

    Local elections are next year I think; I must get a few questions ready for the geeks looking for election.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 408 ✭✭Defunkd


    Maybe it'd be easier to list politicians who have opposed any discriminatory policies rather than scaling parties on their acquiescence?
    I haven't heard of any Minister/T.D. speak against the proposed female-only positions; all parties have embraced gender quotas and the criminalising of the 'purchaser of sex only' legislation passed easily. I must check and see who voted against it/abstained.

    Local elections are next year I think; I must get a few questions ready for the geeks looking for election.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 408 ✭✭Defunkd


    Did some reading on Kildare St.com and i could only find that a few Independent T.D.'s opposed, or tried debating the Bill. (Couldn't find out who they were).
    The bulk of the Bill focused on solicitation of minors, so to oppose such a Bill could be disastrous for one's reputation.

    I read someone elses reading of the Bill and she says it is directed at decriminalising female prostitutes only.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,887 ✭✭✭iptba


    THE TAOISEACH HAS said there is an “epidemic of violence against women” and the government is working to put measures in place to stop it.

    Leo Varadkar was speaking after a special Cabinet meeting for International Women’s Day
    https://www.thejournal.ie/istanbul-convention-ratification-ireland-4529128-Mar2019/

    I don't recall a special Cabinet meeting for International Men's Day and I don't expect we will have one this year, either.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 408 ✭✭Defunkd


    An "epidemic"?!
    Leo must owe the feminist lobby group big-time. He supports every single topic they bring up.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,535 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    Defunkd wrote: »
    An "epidemic"?!
    Leo must owe the feminist lobby group big-time. He supports every single topic they bring up.

    Harris was at a White Ribbon event on International Mens Day...White Ribbon is an organisation that raises awareness of male on female violence.

    In the case of non reciprocal domestic violence, that is one partner abusing the other, 70% of it is female on male....he couldn't even acknowledge it.

    Harris and Varadkar have been walked all over by the many women's issues lobby groups, which are tax payer funded.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    1. Social Democrats - while soft left as opposed to the far left of PBP, it's middle class college educated urban women who dominate the feminist industry and the soc dems are middle class to their fingertips

    2. Labour, as similar as identical twins to the soc dems, they might be ever so slightly less likely to support the social media left wing set

    3. Greens

    4. Solidarity

    5..fianna fail, Michael Martin is considerably more to the left than Leo and is always keen to get on board with the latest liberal campaign

    6. Fine gael, only positioned behind FF by virtue of the fact that fianna fail are followers, not leaders

    All of them will discriminate in order to keep the media quiet


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,887 ✭✭✭iptba


    I saw this event trending on Twitter today:
    #FeministEurope
    https://twitter.com/NWCI/status/1118202972641681408
    https://twitter.com/AlexWhite4EU/status/1118198890111610882
    https://twitter.com/NWCI/status/1118209597028872193

    This follows the presidential election where I recall a piece, organised again by the National Women's Council of Ireland if I recall correctly, where the candidates were asked whether they were feminists or something similar. All of them said they were except Peter Casey.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,887 ✭✭✭iptba


    From the Labour Party website:


    The Future of Women's Health

    Labour recognises that top-down and male-dominated approaches have had a detrimental effect on women's right to health in Ireland, as illustrated by the eighth amenmdent and the poor funding of women's health services.

    Labour believes that to fulfil women's right to health, we must work to create high quality health care across clinical areas including mental health, primary care, obstetrics and gynaecological services.



    Labour's Conference in 2018 included a section dedicated to the future of women's health. The need for this was starkly shown by the cervical check cover-up scandal and the subsequent failures to meet women's health care needs in a timely and sensitive fashion.

    Labour's policy working paper addresses the following areas which need to be addressed in a new approach to meeting women's health needs:

    Learning from the Scally Report
    Cervical cancer
    Uterine and ovarian cancers
    Gynaecological services
    Hidden epidemics
    Ending period poverty
    Supports for breastfeeding mothers
    Maternity services
    Termination of pregnancy
    Health and wellbeing

    https://www.labour.ie/manifesto/the-future-of-womens-health/

    Full document:
    https://www.labour.ie/download/pdf//labour_the_future_of_womens_health.pdf
    which is full of feminist rhetoric.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,574 ✭✭✭Padraig Mor


    "top-down and male-dominated approaches have had a detrimental effect on women's right to health in Ireland, as illustrated by the eighth amenmdent and the poor funding of women's health services."

    So they're saying the abortion ban was brought in by men, and that women's health services are poorer funded than men's? Poppycock in the case of the former, and outright incorrect in the case of the latter I'd hazard to guess.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,763 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    "top-down and male-dominated approaches have had a detrimental effect on women's right to health in Ireland, as illustrated by the eighth amenmdent and the poor funding of women's health services."

    So they're saying the abortion ban was brought in by men, and that women's health services are poorer funded than men's? Poppycock in the case of the former, and outright incorrect in the case of the latter I'd hazard to guess.

    I recall listening to a piece on the radio a number of weeks ago where they were planning to extend the HPV vaccine to young boys, because they are also at risk of developing cancer if they contracted the virus. However, the reason given was not to protect boys/men, but to protect the non-vaccinated girls/women they might otherwise pass the virus onto.

    I don't remember who was talking about it and I only caught a section of the full conversation on Newstalk, but it made mad that they wanted to vaccinate boys with the intention to protect girls. The contributor could not even spin it as a positive to boys and girls. A truly awful insight into how some people think in binary.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,438 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    I recall listening to a piece on the radio a number of weeks ago where they were planning to extend the HPV vaccine to young boys, because they are also at risk of developing cancer if they contracted the virus. However, the reason given was not to protect boys/men, but to protect the non-vaccinated girls/women they might otherwise pass the virus onto.

    I don't remember who was talking about it and I only caught a section of the full conversation on Newstalk, but it made mad that they wanted to vaccinate boys with the intention to protect girls. The contributor could not even spin it as a positive to boys and girls. A truly awful insight into how some people think in binary.
    Don't believe everything you hear on Newstalk.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,763 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    Don't believe everything you hear on Newstalk.

    I listen to it for the entertainment value and laughs, because they are so biased and stuffed to the gills with their own agenda, it shows me that I am grounded. If I start to believe Newstalk, I know I am in big trouble :p

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,887 ✭✭✭iptba


    I saw a poster today for a Solidarity candidate where in big, bold writing, she asked people to vote for a "socialist feminist voice". If that is any indication of party policy, they might be willing to discriminate against men as part of efforts to help women.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,887 ✭✭✭iptba


    Growing instability in the electorate - and female solidarity

    [..]

    One further trend apparent is the likely success of many women candidates, particularly on the European stage. It is possible that a majority of MEPs from Ireland for 2019-2024 could be women. In an earlier piece, I explored the role of women voters in this respect, asking about the extent to which they might tend to opt for a female over a male candidate, other things being equal.

    Based on the RED C/RTÉ exit poll, it does seem that women voters did – as in 2014 – show a slight preference for female candidates.

    The poll indicates that 50% of women cast their first preference for a woman in the European elections, whereas only 41% of men did so, a slightly bigger difference that was found in RTE’s 2014 exit poll. This holds across all parties, as is shown in Figure 2. This also holds for second preferences.

    The downside of this for women candidates is that this implies men were less to support women, if by small margins. But there are normally more male voters.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/elections-2019/2019/0525/1051715-michael-marsh-analysis-election-2019/

    I wonder would men have a preference to vote for other men be couched in a similar way e.g. "solidarity".


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,887 ✭✭✭iptba


    iptba wrote: »
    I saw a poster today for a Solidarity candidate where in big, bold writing, she asked people to vote for a "socialist feminist voice". If that is any indication of party policy, they might be willing to discriminate against men as part of efforts to help women.
    I'm not sure whether this is the same person, but some people in the discussion elsewhere highlighted this European election candidate's tag line
    Rita Harrold #1 tomorrow in the Euro elections for a socialist-feminist voice for Workers, Women and the Planet!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,887 ✭✭✭iptba



    It will be good if we could have one or more politicians here who would ask questions like this


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,607 ✭✭✭newport2


    iptba wrote: »
    It will be good if we could have one or more politicians here who would ask questions like this

    You couldn't make this up. This one is even better. Wish he would run for election over here



    I love the gender balance on the equality panel.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 137 ✭✭5555555555


    I recall listening to a piece on the radio a number of weeks ago where they were planning to extend the HPV vaccine to young boys, because they are also at risk of developing cancer if they contracted the virus. However, the reason given was not to protect boys/men, but to protect the non-vaccinated girls/women they might otherwise pass the virus onto.

    I don't remember who was talking about it and I only caught a section of the full conversation on Newstalk, but it made mad that they wanted to vaccinate boys with the intention to protect girls. The contributor could not even spin it as a positive to boys and girls. A truly awful insight into how some people think in binary.

    This is true. The only reason it was extended to boys was the low uptake of the vaccine with girls.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 137 ✭✭5555555555


    newport2 wrote: »
    You couldn't make this up. This one is even better. Wish he would run for election over here



    I love the gender balance on the equality panel.

    lol facts and logic. First world feminisms greatest enemies !!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,887 ✭✭✭iptba


    I wasn't sure where to post this.

    https://twitter.com/NiallMacCathail/status/1152616567714328577

    This is of course only one individual who holds a lowly position.

    But the suggestion that middle-class white males will never have to worry about a problem in their lives is hard to accept as true. But one could easily see that such attitudes could lead to problematic attitudes to men.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,899 ✭✭✭✭Riskymove


    5555555555 wrote: »
    This is true. The only reason it was extended to boys was the low uptake of the vaccine with girls.

    The HPV is a far bigger risk to women. men cannot, for example, develop cervical cancer

    the more people inoculated the less it will spread protecting more people, both men and women


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,763 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    Riskymove wrote: »
    The HPV is a far bigger risk to women. men cannot, for example, develop cervical cancer

    the more people inoculated the less it will spread protecting more people, both men and women

    That's not the point though. The point is that they ruled out vaccinating boys until they realised that it would benefit girls.

    HPV in males can cause cancers in the genitals and anus. While these cancers are not as prevalent as cervical cancer, the approach taken shows how little men are valued.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,899 ✭✭✭✭Riskymove


    That's not the point though.

    it is though.....it is far, far more a risk to women. Inoculating boys protects them and is another protection for women

    HPV leads to far more deaths in women

    of an estimated 6,000 deaths in the USA per year 5,000 relate to cancer of cervix, vulva or vagina

    of the remaining 1,000 around 800 are anus (obviously affecting men and women)

    around 200 are related to cancer in penis


    you have to focus resources on the most effective outcomes

    and remember, more women inoculated means less to pass on to men


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,763 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    Riskymove wrote: »
    it is though.....it is far, far more a risk to women. Inoculating boys protects them and is another protection for women

    It really isn't the point though. I don't disagree with the separate point you make, but it doesn't take away from the fact that they are not inoculating males to protect males. That's just a positive side effect.

    Staying withe USA, as you brought it up, we see similar focus over there regarding men and women. According to the ACS and using the most common gender specific cancers, 174k Men will be diagnosed with Prostate cancer and 31k will die. 268k women will be diagnosed with breast cancer and 41k will die. Look at the attention breast cancer gets compared to prostate cancer and the men are dying in larger numbers. Also prostate cancer is seen most commonly from age 40, where breast cancer is most common for women over 50, so younger men are dying.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,887 ✭✭✭iptba


    It really isn't the point though. I don't disagree with the separate point you make, but it doesn't take away from the fact that they are not inoculating males to protect males. That's just a positive side effect.

    Staying withe USA, as you brought it up, we see similar focus over there regarding men and women. According to the ACS and using the most common gender specific cancers, 174k Men will be diagnosed with Prostate cancer and 31k will die. 268k women will be diagnosed with breast cancer and 41k will die. Look at the attention breast cancer gets compared to prostate cancer and the men are dying in larger numbers. Also prostate cancer is seen most commonly from age 40, where breast cancer is most common for women over 50, so younger men are dying.
    You may have a general point on the cancers though with regard to the specifics, I think breast cancer does kill earlier on average.

    With regard to the HPV, it is hard to know for definite how much if anything the fact that males being vaccinated would help females played in the decision but it seems plausible that it might have been a factor. Worldwide there does seem to be more women’s health entities than there are ones focused on men’s health. To an extent this can be justified due to pregnancy, breastfeeding and the like but their extent is a lot broader than that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,763 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    iptba wrote: »
    You may have a general point on the cancers though with regard to the specifics, I think breast cancer does kill earlier on average.

    With regard to the HPV, it is hard to know for definite how much if anything the fact that males being vaccinated would help females played in the decision but it seems plausible that it might have been a factor. Worldwide there does seem to be more women’s health entities than there are ones focused on men’s health. To an extent this can be justified due to pregnancy, breastfeeding and the like but their extent is a lot broader than that.

    Agreed on all points.

    Though I would add that there is a 99% survival rate with breast cancer detected in the early stages. No such detection exists for men, as they don't have the same access to screening and the awareness levels are tiny in comparison. I was just making a general point without going into too much detail. I'm not sure the other poster was picking me up on the correct points.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,438 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    iptba wrote: »
    I wasn't sure where to post this.

    https://twitter.com/NiallMacCathail/status/1152616567714328577

    This is of course only one individual who holds a lowly position.

    But the suggestion that middle-class white males will never have to worry about a problem in their lives is hard to accept as true. But one could easily see that such attitudes could lead to problematic attitudes to men.
    Who is he and what did he say? Twitter account is locked now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,887 ✭✭✭iptba


    Who is he and what did he say? Twitter account is locked now.
    He had a screenshot of a post by the (female) head of Sinn Fein NUI Galway. She had a photo of a Fine Gael meeting. Nearly all those in the photo were male. She said something which included “middle class white males who will never have to worry about anything in their lives”.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,438 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    iptba wrote: »
    He had a screenshot of a post by the (female) head of Sinn Fein NUI Galway. She had a photo of a Fine Gael meeting. Nearly all those in the photo were male. She said something which included “middle class white males who will never have to worry about anything in their lives”.

    And who is he?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,887 ✭✭✭iptba


    And who is he?
    I can’t remember. I didn’t follow him myself; can’t recall how I came across it. He did seem to annoy a lot of people. But there didn’t seem to be any doubt that the Sinn Fein person’s tweet was authentic which is the main issue. It was a public tweet by her rather than some private message.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,887 ✭✭✭iptba


    Sinn Féin Health spokesperson Louise O’Reilly TD has today published her party’s policy document “Young Men’s Health Matters”.
    https://www.sinnfein.ie/contents/54804


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    Agreed on all points.

    Though I would add that there is a 99% survival rate with breast cancer detected in the early stages. No such detection exists for men, as they don't have the same access to screening and the awareness levels are tiny in comparison. I was just making a general point without going into too much detail. I'm not sure the other poster was picking me up on the correct points.

    I know this is an oldish post but I’d just like to correct something here. There is a 99% five year survival rate for early stage breast cancer. In reality, between 20-30% of early stage breast cancer will die of the disease. Five year survival isn’t absolute survival. To look at it another way, in Ireland, ~ 25% of women die from breast cancer but only 5% of women diagnosed with breast cancer were metastatic at diagnosis. That shows that the 99% survival rate quoted can’t be true because the rest of the 25% who die logically has to made up of women who were originally early stage. This is mirrored in other Western countries. The data gathering on women (and men’s) whose breast cancer returns is, shall we say, patchy at best. I know people (men and women) whose BC recurred metastatic after five years who are listed as the original stage they were diagnosed at.

    It’s all a big obfuscated clusterfuck. Basically, if they were more honest about the actual death rate and recurrence risks, all those awareness events wouldn’t raise so much money (of which eff all goes to research). Follow the money. Ditto with highlighting to men that the symptoms of breast cancer are pretty much the same for them as for women. Can’t be highlighting that stuff to men, it’ll ruin the pretty pink marketing. And the death rate for male breast cancer in Ireland is 50%, indicating that men are being diagnosed with it far too late on average. I sometimes share a ward with a guy suffering from breast cancer and I’m pretty sure it’s metastatic based on one of the drugs he takes. :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,887 ✭✭✭iptba


    I see that Ivana Bacik is the Labour Party's director of elections
    https://twitter.com/LabourDunL/status/1217134920306450434
    along with being the Leader of the Labour Party in the Seanad
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivana_Bacik


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,887 ✭✭✭iptba


    I didn't watch the debate tonight but I overheard Vardakar say Micheal Martin's comments that Sinn Fein was an unusual party* and that there was a puppetmaster/puppet masters controlling Mary Lou McDonald and Michelle O'Neill, or something about puppet masters controlling them, were "misogynistic". If he had said sexist I could just about accept that, but misogynistic means "hatred of women" which I don't think is justified and I dislike that word been thrown around, and distrust people who do it. To be honest, I'm not sure it's sexist is either as I think the same people would make the same points if male leaders who weren't directly associated with paramilitaries in the past were leaders also at this time.

    *that isn't close to the exact wording, but it isn't my main point


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,887 ✭✭✭iptba


    https://www.facebook.com/PeopleBeforeProfitGalway/posts/3010526735635177
    People Before Profit Galway
    2 hrs ·
    The members of People Before Profit Galway are shocked and outraged to learn of the actions of Joe Loughnane.

    We send our solidarity and support to the young woman involved.

    It has come to light this morning that he has been physically aggressive with, and damaged the property of, a young woman.

    There is absolutely no place in a proudly socialist feminist party like People Before Profit for people who behave like he has. Disciplinary action has been initiated by party HQ and he is suspended from the party.

    He does not represent us.

    We urge voters in Galway West to vote no. 1 Conor Burke of Solidarity-People Before Profit.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,887 ✭✭✭iptba


    I've come across quite a number of tweets about female TDs losing their seats:
    https://twitter.com/fergalrte/status/1226640757764784128
    https://twitter.com/colettebrowne/status/1226682755590873088
    https://twitter.com/ismaithanfear/status/1226679262893215744
    https://twitter.com/mrdavidflane/status/1226645985947979776
    https://twitter.com/ProfPatOConnor/status/1226642470211072001
    https://twitter.com/SkepticalHippo_/status/1226640147799838720

    I haven't seen anything similar about male TDs even though more males may lose their seats (not perfect reference: https://www.rte.ie/news/election-2020/2020/0209/1114127-election-count/ ).

    I saw some people say that it looks like there will be slightly more female TDs than in the last batch


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,455 ✭✭✭tritium


    Well, for anyone looking for a silver lining to the election it’s that a certain clowns in that list won’t be in the Dail anymore


  • Registered Users Posts: 509 ✭✭✭Marcos


    iptba wrote: »
    I've come across quite a number of tweets about female TDs losing their seats:
    https://twitter.com/fergalrte/status/1226640757764784128
    https://twitter.com/colettebrowne/status/1226682755590873088
    https://twitter.com/ismaithanfear/status/1226679262893215744
    https://twitter.com/mrdavidflane/status/1226645985947979776
    https://twitter.com/ProfPatOConnor/status/1226642470211072001
    https://twitter.com/SkepticalHippo_/status/1226640147799838720

    I haven't seen anything similar about male TDs even though more males may lose their seats (not perfect reference: https://www.rte.ie/news/election-2020/2020/0209/1114127-election-count/ ).

    I saw some people say that it looks like there will be slightly more female TDs than in the last batch

    Well our electoral system may not be perfect, but thank God it's not a list system, where each party gets to nominate a number of candidates based on the party's percentage of the vote. Because if it was, you can be sure the above would elbow everyone else out to make sure they got in.

    I wonder how long it'll be before they start to agitate for a fixed percentage of female only seats? Given Mary Mitchell O'Connor's track record with female only professorships I wouldn't put it past them.

    When most of us say "social justice" we mean equality under the law opposition to prejudice, discrimination and equal opportunities for all. When Social Justice Activists say "social justice" they mean an emphasis on group identity over the rights of the individual, a rejection of social liberalism, and the assumption that unequal outcomes are always evidence of structural inequalities.

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    Poor showing for women in Seanad elections as Varadkar’s plea ignored
    Taoiseach may nominate women to meet 40% gender quota for next Dáil election

    Fine Gael voters ignored a Seanad election appeal by the Taoiseach to vote for female candidates, with no party women elected to three of the five vocational panels counted to date.
    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/poor-showing-for-women-in-seanad-elections-as-varadkar-s-plea-ignored-1.4218343


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    It is understood Fine Gael leader Leo Varadkar has told his parliamentary party that any government coalition deal would seek to ensure the 11 taoiseach nominations for the Seanad would be mostly if not all women.
    https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2020/0403/1128218-seanad-election/


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    We are inching closer and closer to the day where both houses will have 50% “female only seats”. Mark my words.


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