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Veg plans for 2020

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,804 ✭✭✭MacDanger


    bizidea wrote: »
    Do you mind me asking whereabouts you are I'm in the Midlands just a bit weary of the cold nights still didnt want to chance planting the spuds yet

    In North Mayo. Yeah, I was a bit wary of the cold nights myself but I figure it'll be a couple of weeks before there's any shoots above ground so I decided to chance it.

    This is my first time growing them though so I'm not sure if that was the right choice or not......


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 403 ✭✭bizidea


    MacDanger wrote: »
    In North Mayo. Yeah, I was a bit wary of the cold nights myself but I figure it'll be a couple of weeks before there's any shoots above ground so I decided to chance it.

    This is my first time growing them though so I'm not sure if that was the right choice or not......
    Thanks you might be a bit safer planting now as your closer to the sea might leave it for another week or two here


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,370 ✭✭✭pconn062


    Keep in mind if you plant your spuds 15cms deep it will take them about a month or so to pop up, so that's mid to late April. If they do pop up and there is still a risk of frost you can always cover them with some fleece or if you have any old net curtains they do a good job too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 403 ✭✭bizidea


    pconn062 wrote: »
    Keep in mind if you plant your spuds 15cms deep it will take them about a month or so to pop up, so that's mid to late April. If they do pop up and there is still a risk of frost you can always cover them with some fleece or if you have any old net curtains they do a good job too.
    Sound thanks for that might chance planting so


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,892 ✭✭✭CelticRambler


    pconn062 wrote: »
    Keep in mind if you plant your spuds 15cms deep it will take them about a month or so to pop up, so that's mid to late April. If they do pop up and there is still a risk of frost you can always cover them with some fleece or if you have any old net curtains they do a good job too.

    That's pretty much the attitude that I take - except for the covering up. I aim to get my main crop in mid March (a bit late this year due to unworkable heavy wet clay soil) and I don't worry about a bit of frost damage to the shoots in April-May, as the plants seem to tolerate it well. It might be a different story with potatoes sown at a shallower depth, though.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 40,061 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    Don't tell anyone but I "rescued" some Alpine Strawberry plants which had been transferred (as shoots by birds probably) from one bed to another and bought them home to stick in my own raised bed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 870 ✭✭✭SnowyMuckish


    I was thinking of planting out my spuds soon but it looks like frost is on its way. I don’t know what variety they are or if they’re early or main crop I inherited them from my late father after his untimely death so they mean a lot to me! Should I hold back a week or two?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,370 ✭✭✭pconn062


    I was thinking of planting out my spuds soon but it looks like frost is on its way. I don’t know what variety they are or if they’re early or main crop I inherited them from my late father after his untimely death so they mean a lot to me! Should I hold back a week or two?

    Plant them 6 inches down and they won't pop up for a month or so and a lot of the frost risk will be gone by then. You could leave them a week or two but I would have them in by mid April at the latest.


  • Posts: 7,499 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I overwintered about 40 onions.
    Pulled one to see how they were doing.

    A lovely spring onion to go with a decent crop of lettuce.

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    This is my first time overwintering anything and it's lovely having some fresh crops in the spring.
    They do take ages though.Planted the onions in november I think.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,268 ✭✭✭✭uck51js9zml2yt


    Go my garden rotovated today. I'm now making beds for the spuds.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,745 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    Go my garden rotovated today. I'm now making beds for the spuds.

    do you own a rotovator or did you hire one in?
    im trying the mittleider gardening method, 30ft beds, 18" wide, rotovated to 1ft deep. Not easy doing it with a fork and spade, especially when im digging up grass which is in the way! :eek:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,131 ✭✭✭Living Off The Splash


    All seeds planted out now except for my French Beans. It is recommended to wait until May to plant these out but I am tempted to do so now since the temperatures have risen. Have you planted out your French Bean seeds?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,892 ✭✭✭CelticRambler


    I've moved my pumpkins, gerkhins and tomatoes outside, putting them into holes in that heap of grass that I laid out the other day, and covering the plants and grass with a mini tunnel. I'm counting on the heat of decomposition to keep any frost at bay (I didn't measure it, but after just two days the base of the heap feels like it's about 15°C or more).

    Our forecast here (central France) is for a two weeks of sun with temps in the high teens, so I've taken a chance and sowed a few lines of carrots today, along with a line of peas.

    Well ... none of that worked out as planned. While I was away, we seem to have had a combination of exceptionally hot temperatures and extreme wind-driven drought. :eek: Unfortunately, whatever humidity was contributed to the tunnel by the freshly mown grass was blown away and almost everything reduced to shrivelled débris. :(:(:(

    Fortunately, the slower/later germinating seeds still in the propagator (inside in the gloom) were OK (cherry tomatoes, jalapeño chilies, red/green peppers, charentais melons), and I have (hopefully) not lost too much time with the replacements for regular tomatoes, pumpkins and gerkins.

    In the meantime, I've made the best of a week's unbroken sunshine and temperatures around 24-26°C :p getting a patch of ground (planted for the first time last year) ready for this year's crop of potatoes harder than it needed to be!

    before
    potato-patch-1-before1280.jpg

    after
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    This area had obviously been used as a materials depot for the building of a barn "back in the day" - it had a huge quantity of building stone in one area, and a massive amount of gravelly clay in another (by which I mean real clay, the kind the children would dig out of the ground and make pottery with :eek: ).

    After strimming and rotavating last year, I planted it with potatoes, onions and beetroot, and regularly added grass clippings between the drills (at least until the grass stopped growing in June). The photo above shows it after two passes of the rotavator on Wednesday morning, which (with the additional help of a fork) brought another load of stone to the surface. Although it's still very clay-ey, it's already very much improved. No manure, no glyphosate. :)

    And all that stone ... ? Barrow after barrow taken to the courtyard ...

    courtyard-2-during.jpg

    ... and used to tidy up a raised bed.

    courtyard-3-after1280.jpg

    (and there's still about three times as much looking for another project).


  • Registered Users Posts: 431 ✭✭gnf_ireland


    Here a few pics of my pumpkins,butternut squash and romanesco cauliflowers from the other day.
    They have been mostly repotted and moved to the greenhouse now.
    And replaced with 3 more trays of tamatos/sweet pea .

    Just wondering, do you not have these in very early. That was ~20th March, so must have been planted since early March. It seems very early for me, given its difficult to plant these out until May/June timeframe. Would love to hear your experiences to date with them.

    Is your glasshouse heated? Did the cool spell impact them at all?

    FYI - I only planted my butternut squash and 1 set of pumpkins yesterday (the other pumpkins sat last weekend), so we can compare how we get on later in the season (assuming I can get back into my allotment to plant them on!!)

    *Note* I did defer some of the planting by a fortnight, as I am unsure of when I will be able to access my allotment at this point.


  • Posts: 7,499 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Yes it heated but I did lose a chunk of them.
    Live and learn I suppose!!
    It was mostly the pumpkins and the BNS I lost.
    Going to sew a few more soon and try again.

    Really want to get an Atlantic giant this year.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,377 ✭✭✭The Red Ace


    Made a nice bit of progress this past week, got two different plots ready by rotovating the soil virtually into powder. Smaller lot a ridge of Queens, three ridges of onions, a ridge of carrots and then some swedes. Larger plot 2kg of Maris Pipers put in. It will be a few more weeks before my next lot are ready which include, Cauliflower, Broccoli, Cabbage, Beetroot, Lettuce, and Corn .


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,268 ✭✭✭✭uck51js9zml2yt


    tom1ie wrote: »
    do you own a rotovator or did you hire one in?
    im trying the mittleider gardening method, 30ft beds, 18" wide, rotovated to 1ft deep. Not easy doing it with a fork and spade, especially when im digging up grass which is in the way! :eek:

    Sorry, just saw your post.
    I've a 1/4 acre veg garden. I had a local farmer in with a plough and then he came back to rotavate it. He grows, spuds locally.
    I'm going no dig this year so this was the final year to plough it.

    Bought an electric propagator this evening... This lockdown is dangerous!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,745 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    Sorry, just saw your post.
    I've a 1/4 acre veg garden. I had a local farmer in with a plough and then he came back to rotavate it. He grows, spuds locally.
    I'm going no dig this year so this was the final year to plough it.

    Bought an electric propagator this evening... This lockdown is dangerous!

    i ended up getting one in lidl for 80 euro.
    Great little machine, helped me shape my new three 30ft vegetable beds!


  • Registered Users Posts: 431 ✭✭gnf_ireland


    Yes it heated but I did lose a chunk of them.
    Live and learn I suppose!!
    It was mostly the pumpkins and the BNS I lost.
    Going to sew a few more soon and try again.

    Really want to get an Atlantic giant this year.

    I had the same issue myself last year. I had great success in germination, but struggled beyond that point as the glasshouse was not warm enough to sustain them (mine is not heated), and lost a lot of stuff.

    I delayed the sowing this year, outside of peppers really, until now so will see if that makes a difference.

    Good luck with the pumpkins :)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,069 ✭✭✭✭Seve OB


    All seeds planted out now except for my French Beans. It is recommended to wait until May to plant these out but I am tempted to do so now since the temperatures have risen. Have you planted out your French Bean seeds?

    I actually planted some seeds in pots last week. No real room in the house to keep them and weather I good so I just have them in the patio for now.

    Also stuck in a few sharpes express potatoes and some beetroot seeds.


  • Registered Users Posts: 814 ✭✭✭cuculainn


    pconn062 wrote: »
    You could take them out of the propogator now but leave them inside somewhere warm for another few weeks.

    Just another follow on question regarding tomato plants.

    I have had them indoors till now but they need to go outside at this stage....do I need to do much hardening off with tomato plants and can they tolerate temps down to 4 degrees at night? They plants will be in a tunnel.

    Thanks!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,370 ✭✭✭pconn062


    cuculainn wrote: »
    Just another follow on question regarding tomato plants.

    I have had them indoors till now but they need to go outside at this stage....do I need to do much hardening off with tomato plants and can they tolerate temps down to 4 degrees at night? They plants will be in a tunnel.

    Thanks!!

    I don't know if you need to harden them off if they will be in a tunnel. However I might hold off for a few days at least as there was frost last night and more tonight which from could damage the plants. I am going to wait until the start of May before putting any frost sensitive stuff into the tunnel. You would be surprised how cold it gets in a tunnel in the evening. Are you running out of space indoors?


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Sorry, just saw your post.
    I've a 1/4 acre veg garden. I had a local farmer in with a plough and then he came back to rotavate it. He grows, spuds locally.
    I'm going no dig this year so this was the final year to plough it.

    Bought an electric propagator this evening... This lockdown is dangerous!

    Are the propagator worth investing in. I have a polytunnel and i have been trying to plant seed strawberry and chillies and after 2 weeks not even a peep. Wonder would a propagator be the way to get the garden moving


  • Registered Users Posts: 14 amascid


    I'm hoping to plant some rooster potatoes this year. Due to the lack of finding any rooster seed potatoes online - I'm thinking about using some of the store bought roosters I usually buy in Tesco. What are peoples experiences of planting store bought Roosters? Anything I should be aware of?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,892 ✭✭✭CelticRambler


    Are the propagator worth investing in. I have a polytunnel and i have been trying to plant seed strawberry and chillies and after 2 weeks not even a peep. Wonder would a propagator be the way to get the garden moving

    I have a very old propagator (must be twenty five or thirty years now) and it's great for getting things started, especially in January, and for keeping things growing when I'm not around (I'm often away for work for two, three or four weeks at a time).

    The only problem I have with it is that it's too small! So I'm often faced with a choice of potting stuff on to make room for the next batch of seeds, or holding off on that next batch in the hope that I'll get the right combination of weather and time off a few weeks later.

    Even now, where we've got afternoon temperatures in the mid-twenties, I have seeds gone in since last week to make up for some seedlings I lost to the drought while I was working in March (tomatoes, peppers, gherkins and basil)


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,268 ✭✭✭✭uck51js9zml2yt


    Are the propagator worth investing in. I have a polytunnel and i have been trying to plant seed strawberry and chillies and after 2 weeks not even a peep. Wonder would a propagator be the way to get the garden moving

    Honestly don't know. First time getting one but I figured it would speed up germination.
    I saw, it on an Irish fb group. It was a small one with a 24 cell tray.
    Got beans and peas in today including beans I got while in India.


  • Registered Users Posts: 814 ✭✭✭cuculainn


    pconn062 wrote: »
    I don't know if you need to harden them off if they will be in a tunnel. However I might hold off for a few days at least as there was frost last night and more tonight which from could damage the plants. I am going to wait until the start of May before putting any frost sensitive stuff into the tunnel. You would be surprised how cold it gets in a tunnel in the evening. Are you running out of space indoors?

    Yeah running out of space....the plants are also getting big and need to be reported(did that today). The light they get through the double glazed windows also does seem to satisfy them!!!!

    I took a chance and left them in the shed tonight. Not as Cold as the tunnel so hopefully they will be ok....thanks for your help


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,804 ✭✭✭MacDanger


    amascid wrote: »
    I'm hoping to plant some rooster potatoes this year. Due to the lack of finding any rooster seed potatoes online - I'm thinking about using some of the store bought roosters I usually buy in Tesco. What are peoples experiences of planting store bought Roosters? Anything I should be aware of?

    This is my first year planting spuds but I was chatting to the guy in the garden centre and he said he previously planted shop-bought roosters and got a decent crop out of them so it's worth trying. Others here will know better but I think there may be an increased risk of importing disease into your garden by doing it


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I have a very old propagator (must be twenty five or thirty years now) and it's great for getting things started, especially in January, and for keeping things growing when I'm not around (I'm often away for work for two, three or four weeks at a time).

    The only problem I have with it is that it's too small! So I'm often faced with a choice of potting stuff on to make room for the next batch of seeds, or holding off on that next batch in the hope that I'll get the right combination of weather and time off a few weeks later.

    Even now, where we've got afternoon temperatures in the mid-twenties, I have seeds gone in since last week to make up for some seedlings I lost to the drought while I was working in March (tomatoes, peppers, gherkins and basil)

    Thanks, i have the polytunnell but i am thinking the electric propagator would have me eating produce a lot quicker.

    Might look into it and see whats the best recommended


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Honestly don't know. First time getting one but I figured it would speed up germination.
    I saw, it on an Irish fb group. It was a small one with a 24 cell tray.
    Got beans and peas in today including beans I got while in India.

    Cheers, let me know when you see the sprouts please


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 40,061 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    Spuds sneaking through, planted 10 in all which for a singleton ought to be enough in summer.

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    Lettuce and onions progressing and a batch of spicy greens seeds went into a tray yesterday
    hopefully they'll be in the ground by this date next month.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,804 ✭✭✭MacDanger


    Planted carrot seeds in the ground over the weekend. Have some broccoli, leeks & cauliflower planted in tubs, they're coming along nicely, maybe ready to plant outside in 4-5 weeks


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,892 ✭✭✭CelticRambler


    Spuds sneaking through, planted 10 in all which for a singleton ought to be enough in summer.

    Ten??? :eek:

    That'd never do me for a summer, never mind the rest of the year! So far, I've planted 200 and wondering where I can fit another 75 ... :D

    Still have about 30kg left from last year's harvest, hoping that'll get me through to this year's earlies!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,892 ✭✭✭CelticRambler


    My current "work in progress" - charentais melons, red cabbage, sweetcorn, sweet peas (not for eating!), red/green peppers, jalapeño chilis, cherry tomatoes, lettuce, white onions, gherkins, normal tomatoes, sunflowers, ornamental gourds, pattypan squash, physalis and basil.

    IMG-20200419-184430.jpg

    Peas, carrots, celery, onions, garlic, shallots, potatoes and winter-sown lettuce are in the ground; pumpkins, parsley and more peppers and tomatoes are in the propagator. Beetroot and more lettuce to be sown this week or next (have switched my attention to flowers and flowerbeds for the moment).

    (Nearly everything there was grown from Lidl's 29ct packets of seeds. Once you get used to getting "ten different things for the price of one regular packet", it's very hard to go back to the mainstream brands. :p )


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 40,061 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    Ten??? :eek:

    That'd never do me for a summer, never mind the rest of the year! So far, I've planted 200 and wondering where I can fit another 75 ... :D

    Still have about 30kg left from last year's harvest, hoping that'll get me through to this year's earlies!

    If 10 seed potatoes yields about 60-70 actual ones that'll do for me!


  • Registered Users Posts: 276 ✭✭countrywoman


    Where did he get the seed potatoes?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,934 ✭✭✭SouthWesterly


    My asparagus from the UK, arrived today.
    After a few hours soaking I planted them out.
    More to come from clarinbridge at some stage.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 40,061 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    It's amazing how stuff grows when you're not really watching it. Then and now pix really hammer hom how quickly everything moves in an Irish spring.

    Spuds - about 10 days between the two.

    34Boz.jpg34Boy.jpg

    Onions and lettuce

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    and my sickly Tumbling Tom now flying

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,069 ✭✭✭✭Seve OB


    i planted some spuds, same pack in 2 pots, and in a bed. the pots have been up now for about 2 weeks. the ones in the bed , well only 3 of maybe 6 or 7 starting to break through now. im novice at this, tried spuds last year and they all came up same time. kinda odd the difference between them.

    does anyone know if seeds can die? i planted some beetroot seeds, some sunflower seeds and some bean seeds which i found in the shed which were probably a few years old, nothing coming up yet. probably stuck them down about 3-4 weeks ago now. all in shaded garden which might make a difference


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 191 ✭✭Samson1


    Are the propagator worth investing in. I have a polytunnel and i have been trying to plant seed strawberry and chillies and after 2 weeks not even a peep. Wonder would a propagator be the way to get the garden moving

    I got a Vitopod this January (was a sale) from Quickcrop + the lights and so far very happy with it. Tomatoes germinated in 6 days, chillies in 7 days.



    Seemed dear at first, but I read lot of reviews on it, and I haven't found any negative ones. Seems very well made and easy to put together. Standard size is roughly 22" x 22" interior, and can buy height extensions for it. The standard size, for me is big enough with some juggling, but for maybe 20% more you could get the larger one, which is double that size, which would give a lot of comfort.


    I am delighted with it, and my only qualm is should I have gone for the larger one!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,892 ✭✭✭CelticRambler


    Seve OB wrote: »
    does anyone know if seeds can die? i planted some beetroot seeds, some sunflower seeds and some bean seeds which i found in the shed which were probably a few years old, nothing coming up yet. probably stuck them down about 3-4 weeks ago now.

    Every type of seed has a "best before" date which can be very short (a year) or quite long (5-6 years or more) and all of those you've listed would be among the longer ones. A lot depends on how and where they're stored, though, so if they were traumatised during storage (too cold, too hot, too damp - even for a short period) that would affect their viability.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,131 ✭✭✭Living Off The Splash


    A whole row of my seedling Swedes wolfed by a slug overnight. He has gone to slug heaven...


  • Registered Users Posts: 21 craggel69


    A whole row of my seedling Swedes wolfed by a slug overnight. He has gone to slug heaven...

    well he died happy at least! :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,892 ✭✭✭CelticRambler


    A whole row of my seedling Swedes wolfed by a slug overnight. He has gone to slug heaven...

    I'm having a similar problem with my strawberries. Incredible April temperatures brought the flowers out early and the (lovely big) fruit is ripening now ... just as the temperatures have dropped again and it's been raining persistently: perfect slug weather, and wet straw doesn't do anything to deter them. :mad:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,892 ✭✭✭CelticRambler


    Garlic likes a good cold spell and although I have a few feral plants from bulbs that escaped being harvested last year, I'm not hopeful of a good crop this year from anything that needs a hard frost.

    On the other hand, I already have a drill of potatoes growing nicely - it's an experiment, to see if I can have new potatoes for St. Patrick's Day! :D

    Well, the feral garlic is doing really well, as is the planted garlic, so the lack of a really hard winter didn't seem to upset it. Good to know for future years.

    As for the potatoes, I didn't have new potatoes mid-March, but then I didn't go looking for them either seeing as I still had tens of kilos of last years' crop to work through.

    Here they are, though: self-sown (winter) on the right, compared to March-sown earlies (Sirtema) front left, between two rows of onions, and April-sown maincrop (Charlotte and Desirée) in the background.

    IMG-20200503-142739-787.jpg


  • Registered Users Posts: 431 ✭✭gnf_ireland


    I have to say I am mad jealous of you all, given I am still locked out of my allotment and no idea what I will be going back to on 18th May !!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,934 ✭✭✭SouthWesterly


    Just in from the garden. Got a bed cleared of buttercup and planted:
    Beetroot, carrot, turnip, parsnip,chard, spring onion, radish, sunflower and marigold.
    We also got oca and mashua in this morning. 30 artichoke and some more asparagus planted yesterday.

    Beds are filling up.
    I'm just sitting here hoping we don't get a blast of cold wet weather which will destroy all my fruit tree blooms.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,131 ✭✭✭Living Off The Splash


    French Beans have still not seeded yet. Everything else sown directly in to the ground growing well.

    Slugs still a daily problem.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,370 ✭✭✭pconn062


    French Beans have still not seeded yet. Everything else sown directly in to the ground growing well.

    Slugs still a daily problem.

    Are the slugs damaging your seedlings or mature plants?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,934 ✭✭✭SouthWesterly


    Another day in the garden and another bed done.
    Gigantes beans, Swede, turnip, okra, dwarf beans and salad leaves.


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