Clay Farm, Leopardstown, Dublin 18

awec · 26-07-2017 1:53pm

I dunno if the 3 story are 3 or 4 beds, I was just guessing when I said 3 beds.

If I was after a 4 bed house I am not sure I'd find a terrace house all that appealing tbh.

Nika Bolokov · 26-07-2017 6:40pm

awec wrote: »

They will definitely sell out quickly, they are right beside the green Luas line.

I'd say your right.

I thought the big 3 story ones at the front were the four beds from watching them being assembled but who knows.

thebsharp · 26-07-2017 9:31pm

The 3 storey ones at the front are 4 beds according to the planning file on DLRCOCOs website. If you view documents in plan ref. D15A/0247 and look at the 'planning application' file or drawing files you can see a layout of the whole site. There may have been some minor amendments since then, when the developer was looking for compliance.

BBMcQ · 26-07-2017 10:52pm

Nika Bolokov wrote: »

There also more expensive than houses in the Gallops across the way which are brick built and have front and back gardens.

In fairness the houses in Glencairn or Glenbourne are smaller square footage and worse energy ratings. The Irish obsession with brick built is a bit out of date at this stage. 4 bed semi-d in Glencairn with approx 1500sqft and mod cons will be over 600k no bother.

zom · 27-07-2017 12:12am

Developer Michael Cotter has become the first house builder to avail of the Government's heavily-anticipated introduction of a temporary 'fast-track' planning application system for large-scale housing schemes.Viscount Securities, a company owned and controlled by Mr Cotter and his family, has submitted a pre-application proposal to An Bord Pleanala for a total of 934 new homes at Clay Farm in Leopardstown in south county Dublin.

http://www.independent.ie/business/developer-in-fast-track-bid-to-build-934-homes-in-dublin-35947845.html

picture from few days ago:

Giblet · 05-08-2017 1:04pm

This is an awful development. It looks hideous, with the houses at the front being an eye sore, right onto the Ballyogan road. I really hope they aren't the 4 beds, laughable.

ionapaul · 05-08-2017 2:11pm

The smaller two-story terraces look really nice from the road IMHO - agree that the three-story terrace at the front lets the development down. Would love to know the pricing specifics; am guessing the smaller three-beds are about the 95 sq metre mark, with the three story houses more like 130 sq metre or so? Wonder if the prices will be comparable to homes in Glencairn and Kilgobbin Wood, or even higher?

zom · 06-08-2017 10:52pm

ionapaul wrote: »

Would love to know the pricing specifics

http://www.clayfarm.ie/

Agree these are eyesore but we are in the housing crisis and everything can go, so nobody (architects including) care

Nika Bolokov · 07-08-2017 12:32pm

ionapaul wrote: »

The smaller two-story terraces look really nice from the road IMHO - agree that the three-story terrace at the front lets the development down. Would love to know the pricing specifics; am guessing the smaller three-beds are about the 95 sq metre mark, with the three story houses more like 130 sq metre or so? Wonder if the prices will be comparable to homes in Glencairn and Kilgobbin Wood, or even higher?

In my view they are higher, In Glencairn you have an old fashioned landscaped development with open spaces , front gardens, maybe a garage and paths outside the houses , whilst the BER in clay farm is probably better your packed in tight and as in a lot of these developments when kids start to buy cars in years to come you'll be left with an almighty mess with no where to park. 445 for a three bed semi in Glencairn , little smaller but with more outside space which is very valuable v 470+ for one of these which are packed in.

That Luas stop across from the front of it will be overloaded in the morning when the 1000 or whatever homes are all finished never mind the 15000 coming on stream further down the track in Cherrywood and getting on to the M50 or down to Sandyford using Murphystown Road will he an absolute mess.

Certainly a lot to consider before you splash out 600k on one of those things at the front

eternal31 · 17-08-2017 7:22pm

I'm new to this area. Is it a good, safe area? I search ballyogan and saw a few negative review. "high rate of child smoking and high rate of fighting and drug use" Is it true? There are also a few reported crimes there.

I was told Leopardstown is a good area and it's also close to Foxrock, Sandymount. I was actually surprised to see those review.

qrx · 18-08-2017 6:53am

eternal31 wrote: »

I'm new to this area. Is it a good, safe area? I search ballyogan and saw a few negative review. "high rate of child smoking and high rate of fighting and drug use" Is it true? There are also a few reported crimes there.

I was told Leopardstown is a good area and it's also close to Foxrock, Sandymount. I was actually surprised to see those review.

Leopardstown is a posh area. But dont be fooled by the address, this is Ballyogan.

eternal31 · 18-08-2017 10:26am

qrx wrote: »

Leopardstown is a posh area. But dont be fooled by the address, this is Ballyogan.

Thanks for your reply. So this new development is part of Ballyogan area rather than Leopardstown area? The boundary between them is not clear.

ionapaul · 18-08-2017 11:07am

It's on the Ballyogan Road, close to some large council estates - but is a separate development. It is equally close to some very nice private estates that are somewhat posh.

When it is complete, a through-road from just outside Clay Farm is going to link the Ballyogan Road and Stepaside village, which will be cool.

p15574 · 18-08-2017 11:24am

In a similar way, Monkstown Farm is a council estate, but I don't think it affects house prices much elsewhere in Monkstown...

qrx · 18-08-2017 11:59am

eternal31 wrote: »

Thanks for your reply. So this new development is part of Ballyogan area rather than Leopardstown area? The boundary between them is not clear.

Leopardstown is on the other side of the M50. In the area of Leopardstown road and Brewry Road and beside Foxrock. Think leopardstown race course, leopardstown business park and the leopardstown Inn (The Lep Inn). Traditionally the area is serviced by the N11 and the 46A but it pushes up as far as sandyford luas. Anything beyond that is merely using the name.

awec · 18-08-2017 12:08pm

qrx wrote: »

Leopardstown is on the other side of the M50. In the area of Leopardstown road and Brewry Road. Think leopardstown race course, leopardstown business park and the leopardstown Inn (The Lep Inn). Traditionally the area is serviced by the N11 and the 46A but it pushes up as far as sandyford luas. Anything beyond that is merely using the name.

IMO Leopardstown is roughly the area in red below, this new development is roughly the blue.

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markpb · 18-08-2017 12:16pm

Vague geographical boundaries aren't going to help here. A quick look at the two areas will show you what they're like.

astrofool · 18-08-2017 12:21pm

awec wrote: »

IMO Leopardstown is roughly the area in red below, this new development is roughly the blue.

I think the residents of Torquay road would feel different

, Westminster lawns (foxrock) and Rocwood (Blackrock) are also within the red.

Leopardstown has effectively migrated over the valley to Glencairn/Murphystown road.

Clay Farm will probably be similar to "Killiney" that borders Ballybrack, the prices will reflect this.

qrx · 18-08-2017 12:44pm

markpb wrote: »

Vague geographical boundaries aren't going to help here. A quick look at the two areas will show you what they're like.

A better photo of Ballogan would be a photo of smashed windows in the school.

awec · 18-08-2017 12:55pm

astrofool wrote: »

I think the residents of Torquay road would feel different , Westminster lawns (foxrock) and Rocwood (Blackrock) are also within the red.

Leopardstown has effectively migrated over the valley to Glencairn/Murphystown road.

Clay Farm will probably be similar to "Killiney" that borders Ballybrack, the prices will reflect this.

Torquay Road would be foxrock yea. I did say roughly!

BBMcQ · 18-08-2017 10:26pm

qrx wrote: »

Leopardstown is on the other side of the M50. In the area of Leopardstown road and Brewry Road and beside Foxrock. Think leopardstown race course, leopardstown business park and the leopardstown Inn (The Lep Inn). Traditionally the area is serviced by the N11 and the 46A but it pushes up as far as sandyford luas. Anything beyond that is merely using the name.

Don't agree with this. The Gallops were built in Leopardstown in 1990 way before the M50 was plonked down between it and the racecourse (which is only about 100-200 yards as the crow flies). The historical Glencairn estate was built in de facto Leopardstown in the early 1900s. Ballyogan brings a lot of undesirability to the entire area but it is a small area that lends its name to a big road. The M50 doesn't just suddenly splinter off an area which has always belonged to Leopardstown. Maybe the Leopardstown Heights name could have been used more effectively for the wider area. Just my two cents, not interested in a back n forth.

Dearg81 · 20-08-2017 12:07am

eternal31 wrote:

I was told Leopardstown is a good area and it's also close to Foxrock, Sandymount. I was actually surprised to see those review.

It's not close to Sandymount for starters. Leopardstown is a very nice area overall but this estate would be close to a lot of old council houses so it's less desirable. Being close to Ballyogan is a negative in my opinion although it's not as bad an area as it used to be.

You need to go spend some time there as another poster said, go look around the estate and the leopardstown shopping centre but if you're expecting foxrock or Sandymount then you're gonna be very disappointed.

Nika Bolokov · 20-08-2017 10:23am

Dearg81 wrote: »

It's not close to Sandymount for starters. Leopardstown is a very nice area overall but this estate would be close to a lot of old council houses so it's less desirable. Being close to Ballyogan is a negative in my opinion although it's not as bad an area as it used to be.

You need to go spend some time there as another poster said, go look around the estate and the leopardstown shopping centre but if you're expecting foxrock or Sandymount then you're gonna be very disappointed.

I've lived in Leopardstown a good few years and would have no concern about Ballyogan. It's very quiet, people make negative comments simply because it's council housing.

Ballyogan is very well kept and shouldn't really be to much of a concern if looking at clay farm.

When there was some social housing to be put into the Gallops housing estate there was uproar and people wanted 24 hour manned security etc monitoring the council tenants ( you can still find these discussions on Google). No good cause for putting down ballyogan or assuming a council estate resembles a gang area in Los Angeles.

Dearg81 · 20-08-2017 11:24am

Nika Bolokov wrote:

When there was some social housing to be put into the Gallops housing estate there was uproar and people wanted 24 hour manned security etc monitoring the council tenants ( you can still find these discussions on Google). No good cause for putting down ballyogan or assuming a council estate resembles a gang area in Los Angeles.

I'm glad you like the area but people are entitled to disagree with you Nika. I live in the area my whole life so I know it better than you. As I said it's not as bad as it used to be but I still wouldn't like to live there. I'm not a big fan of boarded up houses for starters but we're going off topic.

With regards council housing in Clay Farm. People just prefer not to live next door to one and yes I agree most of them go over board with their concerns. Most new estates have a certain amount of social housing now so people just have to accept it if they are buying new builds.

awec · 20-08-2017 10:56pm

My biggest sticking point with Clay Farm is the houses themselves. Every time I drive past I swear it looks even worse than it did before. The houses look like the architect gave the job to the intern who did it in 15 minutes, they are incredibly bland and cheap looking.

zom · 21-08-2017 12:11pm

awec wrote: »

My biggest sticking point with Clay Farm is the houses themselves. Every time I drive past I swear it looks even worse than it did before. The houses look like the architect gave the job to the intern who did it in 15 minutes, they are incredibly bland and cheap looking.

O'Mahony Pike are architects for Clay Farm:

http://omparchitects.com/en/people/michael-hussey/

qrx · 21-08-2017 3:28pm

awec wrote: »

My biggest sticking point with Clay Farm is the houses themselves. Every time I drive past I swear it looks even worse than it did before. The houses look like the architect gave the job to the intern who did it in 15 minutes, they are incredibly bland and cheap looking.

Technically speaking they are all social and affordable housing. But obviously, you can drop the affordable part from that for the middle class home buyers who do not qualify for social or affordable. What I mean is the houses have been fast tracked, bypassing the planning procedures in return for quick, affordable builds. They are cheap houses in every sense. Cheaply designed, cheaply made and apparently cheap to buy but of course that last part is very debatable.

eternal31 · 21-08-2017 5:08pm

is there any alternative new development?

Dearg81 · 21-08-2017 5:35pm

eternal31 wrote:

is there any alternative new development?

My friend bought a house in bishops gate in kilternan for cheaper. Obviously no luas stop there but the houses and location are much more pleasing on the eye. I can't comment on the build quality though as I've just seen them from driving past.

awec · 21-08-2017 5:42pm

Kilternan is cheaper cause it's Dublin's version of the middle of nowhere.

zom · 21-08-2017 8:42pm

Dearg81 wrote: »

My friend bought a house in bishops gate in kilternan

Did he/she queue for night to get it ?

PAYWALL ALERT https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/queue-forms-overnight-for-dublin-properties-starting-at-410-000-1.3114265

Part of a housing scheme in Kilternan in Co Dublin has been snapped up by house hunters, some of whom queued overnight to reserve a property.

Twenty properties at Bishops Gate, a development of three- and four-bedroom houses that are being built on the Enniskerry Road, Kilternan in Co Dublin, were reserved prior to a private launch on Friday morning. A further 30 houses will be released onto the market at a later date.

Three bedroom townhouses were priced from €410,000 while three bedroom semi-detached houses were from €430,000 and four bedroom semi-detached houses from €550,000.
A booking deposit of €7,500 was required to reserve a property while houses at Bishops Gate qualify for the help-to-buy scheme for eligible first-time buyers.

awec wrote: »

Kilternan is cheaper cause it's Dublin's version of the middle of nowhere.

Really? It is like 800m Nortch from Clay Farm site.

awec · 21-08-2017 9:00pm

zom wrote: »

Really? It is like 800m Nortch from Clay Farm site.

It may be but that is basically the sticks. No Luas, and I believe only 1 bus per hour that goes to town. Pretty much nothing in the immediate vicinity. I'd say it's a 20min walk into Stepaside from out there. Ballyogan Luas possibly the closest but I wouldn't really fancy walking up the Glenamuck Road with any sort of baggage as it's pretty much a constant up hill from Carrickmines.

It's probably as close to rural life as you are realistically going to get in Dublin and I think the prices reflect that. I don't mean they are good value either, I mean they'd be even more expensive if they were 15 minutes up the road in Stepaside.

Yelnahs · 23-08-2017 1:08pm

Just like to add my two cents about Ballyogan. I'm in the Gallops, rented for a year then bought a 4 bed and are absolutely delighted with the area. Ballyogan has a bit of a bad reputation but it's (nowadays) unjustified imo. Haven't had any trouble at all and we're here over 2 years.
And as for Clay Farm, it's a bit of an eyesore alright but at least some houses are being built. The luas will need to up their game pretty smartly if they are going to have to cater for all these additional people, it's rammed each morning as it is.

p15574 · 23-08-2017 1:27pm

Really? It is like 800m Nortch from Clay Farm site.

Maybe, as the crow flies, but it's 3.7Km by road - 48 minutes walk, according to Google Maps - from one to the other, which is the only way to get there at the moment. Sometime in the future, they might open up a direct route from Stepaside to Leopardstown Valley, but they've been saying that for years.

Having said that, the Bishops Gate houses do look much nicer.

zom · 25-08-2017 9:21pm

Yelnahs wrote: »

it's rammed each morning as it is.

If it is rammed in Ballyogan already, I can't image it in Sandyford and it it probably out of anyone imagination how it looks like in Dundrum.

Royale with Cheese · 25-08-2017 9:30pm

With regards the area... It's fairly quiet for the most part, but you do get a few little scumbag kids hanging around the shopping centre in the evenings. They're still fairly young, around 10 I'd say, but give it a few years and I think there may be genuine issues with them. The spar already employs some massive polish guy to work evenings there, last time I went down to get milk he was watching them the entire time he was serving me.

markpb · 26-08-2017 6:53am

zom wrote: »

if it is rammed in Ballyogan already, I can't image it in Sandyford and it it probably out of anyone imagination how it looks like in Dundrum.

At peak times, some inbound trams start at Sandyford so people living there can get on.

heebusjeebus · 26-08-2017 8:09am

zom wrote: »

If it is rammed in Ballyogan already, I can't image it in Sandyford and it it probably out of anyone imagination how it looks like in Dundrum.

A lot of people alight at sandyford too.

AndrewJRenko · 26-08-2017 11:21am

It is very rare that I've been unable to get on to a tram at Balally heading into town in the mornings. I think it happened once that I had to wait for a second tram. It is certainly busy, but usable.

zom · 26-08-2017 9:03pm

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

It is very rare that I've been unable to get on to a tram at Balally heading into town in the mornings. I think it happened once that I had to wait for a second tram. It is certainly busy, but usable.

Now add to this something like 3k extra people moving to Ballyogan area and we will see how you'll manage in the mornings then.

Marcusm · 26-08-2017 10:00pm

markpb wrote: »

At peak times, some inbound trams start at Sandyford so people living there can get on.

All day, approx half the trams start from and terminate at Sandyford from what I can see. Even with Cross City, a number of services will terminate at Stephen's Green and head back down the line to Sandyford.

Dearg81 · 29-08-2017 8:43pm

zom wrote:

Did he/she queue for night to get it ?

zom wrote:

PAYWALL ALERT

Yea they did. I actually like Kilternan but maybe that's because it is like the countryside. I can see why it's not for everyone. I think people put way too much value in the luas these days, fair enough if you use it every day but a lot of people don't so why pay a premium for a house beside a stop.

xpletiv · 30-08-2017 11:18am

Wow... what a sham development. Disgraceful pricing by the developers; absolutely disgraceful and an absolute show of greed. Got government money, making ugly, cheap houses, and charging about 80k more than they should be. Im absolutely staggered by this one.

eternal31 · 04-09-2017 2:59pm

Anyone worry about the ESB substation near this development? I believe estate builder already did research and it has no radiation, but it still worry me a little bit. It is an eye-sore...

Jeffrey Lebowski · 04-09-2017 4:10pm

eternal31 wrote: »

Anyone worry about the ESB substation near this development? I believe estate builder already did research and it has no radiation, but it still worry me a little bit. It is an eye-sore...

And the landfill right beside the substation.

Nika Bolokov · 04-09-2017 4:19pm

Dearg81 wrote: »

I'm glad you like the area but people are entitled to disagree with you Nika. I live in the area my whole life so I know it better than you. As I said it's not as bad as it used to be but I still wouldn't like to live there. I'm not a big fan of boarded up houses for starters but we're going off topic.

With regards council housing in Clay Farm. People just prefer not to live next door to one and yes I agree most of them go over board with their concerns. Most new estates have a certain amount of social housing now so people just have to accept it if they are buying new builds.

Jeez I find ballyogan nice with the landscaping , space , front and back gardens , well kept.

Less dense than Clay farm , more space , no sub station or tip next door but there ya go

eternal31 · 04-09-2017 4:36pm

The only advantages is that it's just located right beside a Luas stop.
Will this development be sold out in one day?

gstones · 07-09-2017 8:32pm

Glenside not far away, cheaper, better area, much nicer houses and launching a few days after so has the htb too, bit of a no brainer

hello92 · 08-09-2017 11:13am

gstones wrote: »

Glenside not far away, cheaper, better area, much nicer houses and launching a few days after so has the htb too, bit of a no brainer

There's no way Glenside are cheaper - they're starting from over the €500k mark..

Expatsindublin · 08-09-2017 11:16am

500k for 4 and 5 beds in Glenside. 3 beds are under 500k for sure

Clay Farm, Leopardstown, Dublin 18

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