Plagued by scam calls DON'T POST PHONE NUMBERS

jos28 · 21-06-2021 6:55pm

5 more calls today - same format as before. They are using the first 6 digits of my number. I presume this is cloning to make them look authentic. I also got one with the prefix 00216

.42. · 22-06-2021 3:52pm

Got 2 calls from a 083 number

When you call it you get the message that "the number you have called is not recognised"

L1011 · 22-06-2021 3:56pm

The numbers that are "calling" you are faked. Don't ring them back, it either won't exist or will be someone completely unaware that their number was used as the faked one.

bmc58 · 22-06-2021 5:01pm

jos28 wrote: »

5 more calls today - same format as before. They are using the first 6 digits of my number. I presume this is cloning to make them look authentic. I also got one with the prefix 00216

Block them all as they come.

ClosedAccountFuzzy · 22-06-2021 8:27pm

bmc58 wrote: »

Block them all as they come.

As above, that’s also not really going to help as they’re not really coming from those numbers. The caller ID is fake and could be someone’s real number that has no connection to this at all.

Cunning Stunt · 22-06-2021 8:49pm

bmc58 wrote: »

Block them all as they come.

For me it has never been the same number twice so this wont help unfortunately

patnor1011 · 22-06-2021 9:55pm

bmc58 wrote: »

Block them all as they come.

It will not help you much. I had at one stage blocked over 40 numbers from just one company. Girl got somehow obsessed and kept calling. She got tired eventually.
This new scam all it took for me was talking to them once and they stopped. They will not want to waste time calling someone who they get nothing from.

rb1993 · 23-06-2021 10:06am

I've gotten a bunch from different 083 numbers this morning and yesterday. The phone doesn't even ring, just the missed calls appear. Strange.

ClosedAccountFuzzy · 23-06-2021 10:33am

I’m increasingly convinced this isn’t random.

I’m now getting calls on my mobile displaying fake landline numbers (too many digits) but from my local area code.

The only way they could be targeting that is if they have my address, as my mobile number has no geographic information.

This uptick in call volumes (I’d received very very few of these before) also seems to coincide with the HSE data beech.

If the volume stays this high, I’ll have to change my mobile number, which is a total pain in the rear.

I can’t really deal with 1 spam call an hour though, which is what I’m getting. My phone is currently permanently diverted to voicemail to avoid them.

KaneToad · 23-06-2021 10:34am

5 to my landline yesterday. 3 to the work phone. None to the personal phone.

All were:

"Your internet bill is unpaid" recorded message.

ClosedAccountFuzzy · 23-06-2021 10:37am

I’m hoping that by permanently diverting to voicemail for a few days it might cause them to stop.

If it doesn’t, I guess I’ll have to shred my number, which is a huge mess.

Glaceon · 23-06-2021 10:52am

FuzzyThinking wrote: »

I’m increasingly convinced this isn’t random.

I’m now getting calls on my mobile displaying fake landline numbers (too many digits) but from my local area code.

The only way they could be targeting that is if they have my address, as my mobile number has no geographic information.

This uptick in call volumes (I’d received very very few of these before) also seems to coincide with the HSE data beech.

If the volume stays this high, I’ll have to change my mobile number, which is a total pain in the rear.

I can’t really deal with 1 spam call an hour though, which is what I’m getting. My phone is currently permanently diverted to voicemail to avoid them.

I think it's down to the Facebook and/or Fastway hacks. I know my number was leaked in the Facebook one and the thought of having to change my number has been on my mind since.

I got one of these calls from an 083 number at 7:55 this morning and got another yesterday afternoon from a similar 087 number. I was so tempted to answer the one this morning and bark down the phone at them. The numbers are spoofed so blocking them won't do much.

ClosedAccountFuzzy · 23-06-2021 11:12am

The networks are going to have to do better than just blindly passing caller ID info.

If a number is +353 8x and isn’t originating from one of the Irish mobile networks, the call shouldn’t be routed, or the Caller ID should be removed at the very least.

Same should happen if a call is originating from outside Ireland with an Irish number being presented.

I don’t buy the argument though that they can’t do this. The mobile networks are all using advanced technology and the landline networks are fairly sophisticated at the core switch level.

They should be capable of analysing the Caller ID a bit better that this.

.42. · 23-06-2021 11:28am

Another 083 call today 10:26am

Vico1612 · 23-06-2021 11:29am

Same here - i'm on android and have started using the Hiya app for filtering.
But will shred my number in the coming weeks.

ClosedAccountFuzzy · 23-06-2021 11:37am

Hiya hasn’t been catching them as they aren’t in the database as they’re randomly generated, valid looking mobile numbers.

The problem is even reporting them to Hiya or similar won’t help as they could easily be someone’s valid mobile number being spoofed on these calls.

I would also assume they’re sending different random numbers on different calls, so it’s not likely to trigger any of those filter apps on a single report.

The issue is at the Irish phone network operator and COMREG’s door, as they’re allowing any old nonsense to be presented as Caller ID.

BluePlanet · 23-06-2021 12:09pm

Out of the blue i'm getting scam calls, automated recordings.
Got 1 call and 1 text yesterday
Got 2 calls today.

First one was about PPS number.
Last 3 have been my BOI account (i don't have one)

honeyjo · 23-06-2021 12:26pm

I got two scam calls yesterday to the work phone. I hung up as soon as I heard the recorded message.

BrookieD · 23-06-2021 12:31pm

083 PPS scam at 11:25 this morning -

23-06-2021 12:35pm

Loads of 0044 numbers 6 today. Unpaid internet bill

scotchy · 23-06-2021 12:36pm

From a UK number a few minutes ago. I didn't answer, message left claiming there is a revenue investigation against me.

Panrich · 23-06-2021 12:38pm

Glaceon wrote: »

I think it's down to the Facebook and/or Fastway hacks. I know my number was leaked in the Facebook one and the thought of having to change my number has been on my mind since.

I got one of these calls from an 083 number at 7:55 this morning and got another yesterday afternoon from a similar 087 number. I was so tempted to answer the one this morning and bark down the phone at them. The numbers are spoofed so blocking them won't do much.

I don't think it's Facebook as I am not on there and I have had multiple calls over the past few days.

Deub · 23-06-2021 12:53pm

Panrich wrote: »

I don't think it's Facebook as I am not on there and I have had multiple calls over the past few days.

II don’t think it is Fastway or HSE because they don’t have my phone number but I receive calls as well.
If they ring random numbers (and it looks like it is) changing phone numbers won’t resolve the issue.
With the volume of calls received, it must be good business to call irish numbers.

xhomelezz · 23-06-2021 1:12pm

BrookieD wrote: »

083 PPS scam at 11:25 this morning -

Same here, 11.30 and another one just 5 mins ago. Both from 083 numbers.

dreamers75 · 23-06-2021 1:14pm

Panrich wrote: »

I don't think it's Facebook as I am not on there and I have had multiple calls over the past few days.

What makes you think you had to put your number on it?

When someone joins Facebook, it nicely asks if it can have access to their contacts to see who they know on Facebook. I dont think they delete the numbers that dont match current users.

Kaylami · 23-06-2021 1:20pm

4 calls this morning from mobile numbers and another call just there from a landline number that when answered transferred straight away to Shaw academy.

Never had a scam call before today.

L1011 · 23-06-2021 1:28pm

None of these specific calls are down to any hacks - they are just generating numbers and dialling them.

Unless the caller has other info (e.g. your name) it did not come from a hack. Irish mobile numbers are extremely formulaic.

jimmycrackcorm · 23-06-2021 1:34pm

BrookieD wrote: »

083 PPS scam at 11:25 this morning -

My house lodger also got this - said a robotic voice mentioned PPS and then cut off. How is this scam supposed to work?

Cyloncity · 23-06-2021 1:35pm

BrookieD wrote: »

083 PPS scam at 11:25 this morning -

Got it yesterday. Any origin info?
Was hoping it would be my vaccine apt!!ðŸ˜‚

jimmycrackcorm · 23-06-2021 1:38pm

FuzzyThinking wrote: »

The networks are going to have to do better than just blindly passing caller ID info.

If a number is +353 8x and isn’t originating from one of the Irish mobile networks, the call shouldn’t be routed, or the Caller ID should be removed at the very least.

Same should happen if a call is originating from outside Ireland with an Irish number being presented.

I don’t buy the argument though that they can’t do this. The mobile networks are all using advanced technology and the landline networks are fairly sophisticated at the core switch level.

They should be capable of analysing the Caller ID a bit better that this.

The networks certainly have a mechanism to identify the originating network, as that's how they charge for roaming and inter-network last mile call charging.
But it's worrying how the fake caller-ids are being allowed. If you have a contact number stored on your phone then it could be spoofed and presented as coming from that contact.

aoife1991 · 23-06-2021 1:46pm

In the same boat, two calls today 087 and the next 3 numbers are the same as my number. I answered the first one this morning as I thought it might have been one of my wedding suppliers and it was an automated voice pretending to be the Gardaí. I ignored the second.

BluePlanet · 23-06-2021 1:52pm

just got another one, 3rd one today.
All 083 numbers

ClosedAccountFuzzy · 23-06-2021 2:15pm

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

The networks certainly have a mechanism to identify the originating network, as that's how they charge for roaming and inter-network last mile call charging.
But it's worrying how the fake caller-ids are being allowed. If you have a contact number stored on your phone then it could be spoofed and presented as coming from that contact.

It's why using Caller ID for any kind of security or authentication is a very, very bad idea.

Varik · 23-06-2021 2:26pm

Got 2 today and 2 yesterday from 087 numbers.

I answered all of them and lucky I did as between those number I got a call about an interview from another unknow number.

My number is 087 and I'm getting 087 calls, is everyone else just getting called from the same as theirs.

Now I'm not vodafone so maybe I'll leave a call on hold next time, on the off chance it costs them.

BluePlanet · 23-06-2021 2:43pm

Obviously our numbers have gotten leaked here.
I really hope our mobile phone providers up their game and start blocking these.

scrumqueen · 23-06-2021 2:51pm

Just started this week, all 087 numbers.

The first one was automated message about a pps number and i hung up immediately and blocked it.
They just ring back off a different 087 number.
Yesterday I was on a zoom call and one came through and declined immediately and it rang again after hanging up, and a further three times. Infuriating. I just keep ignoring them and blocking them.
Then this morning I got a WhatsApp from a random number selling me stuff. :rolleyes:

jos28 · 23-06-2021 2:56pm

I have to agree with other posters, our network providers really need to up their game. They need to block 'spoofed' numbers, that would sort this out in no time.
There is no point blocking or ringing the caller identified on your phone. We shouldn't have to be dealing with this when it could be stopped at source.

.42. · 23-06-2021 3:36pm

.42. wrote: »

Another 083 call today 10:26am

Call number 2 from 083 today at 15:17

honeyjo · 23-06-2021 3:39pm

1st call at 14:45 086 number

Responder XY · 23-06-2021 4:07pm

I got two today on my work phone. Both +353 85 387 xxxx

I imagine they got it by just brute forcing phone number format. My work phone number is knowen to virtualy nobody, just my collegues and I've never used it to register for something online or any services.

Hopefully will put people's mind to ease thinking that facebook's been hacked or it's from the HSE hack etc..

23-06-2021 4:11pm

Responder XY wrote: »

I got two today on my work phone. Both +353 85 387 xxxx

I imagine they got it by just brute forcing phone number format. My work phone number is knowen to virtualy nobody, just my collegues and I've never used it to register for something online or any services.

Hopefully will put people's mind to ease thinking that facebook's been hacked or it's from the HSE hack etc..

This here, this is how they "got your phone number". Technically I have every single one of your phone numbers, because if I just start dialling 087 000 000 and move up one digit each time, eventually I will reach one of you. It's far faster when a computer is doing it, obviously, and that's exactly what they are doing.

L1011 · 23-06-2021 4:25pm

BluePlanet wrote: »

Obviously our numbers have gotten leaked here.
I really hope our mobile phone providers up their game and start blocking these.

No, they haven't been leaked - they're just dialing every possible number. Its facile to do and calls to non-existent or unanswered numbers don't cost them anything.

Phone numbers are formulaic - its very easy to construct a list of all possible valid numbers and call them.

Glaceon · 23-06-2021 5:58pm

whiterebel · 23-06-2021 5:58pm

jos28 wrote: »

I have to agree with other posters, our network providers really need to up their game. They need to block 'spoofed' numbers, that would sort this out in no time.
There is no point blocking or ringing the caller identified on your phone. We shouldn't have to be dealing with this when it could be stopped at source.

Problem is, I got 2 calls on Monday, from someone returning 'my' calls. I didn’t ring, them, it was obviously someone spoofed my number. Your suggestion would leave me blocked for no reason.

ClosedAccountFuzzy · 23-06-2021 6:06pm

My brother is getting calls from genuine Irish mobile numbers wondering who he was and saying they’d missed a call from him, when he’s absolutely never dialled them.

So it’s very clear they are using spoofed caller ID mimicking real and live Irish phone numbers.

This is going to end up with loads of people blocked by Hiya and similar services despite having never called anyone.

There’s a huge flaw in the networks if they are processing fake caller ID

SunnySundays · 23-06-2021 7:25pm

These calls are driving me crazy as they are coming to my work phone which is extremely busy anyway.

I know it could be just random and probably is but everyone I know getting them so far was caught in the fast way data breach. Probably a coincidence but who knows.

Surely, it's up to the network operators to find a way to stop this

jos28 · 23-06-2021 8:50pm

whiterebel wrote: »

Problem is, I got 2 calls on Monday, from someone returning 'my' calls. I didn’t ring, them, it was obviously someone spoofed my number. Your suggestion would leave me blocked for no reason.

Sorry I didn't explain myself properly, I meant blocking the actual numbers at source. Surely our providers know that these calls are originating outside Ireland and that the calls are not being made from the 'spoofed' numbers.

patnor1011 · 23-06-2021 9:19pm

It may be one scammer group on it because since I answered and had a fun with the guy on the other end friday evening, nothing but crickets...
Not a single call since then.
If you decide to answer just give them plenty of abuse.

rn · 23-06-2021 10:49pm

I answered and strung them along today... I had 20 mins to kill. Clearly the scam works by trying to build rapport and then get bank details off you. They used a 3 part call with me. Automated, moved to an agent. Who runs basic queries, all ment to heighten your fear and then they transfer you to some one who can "help". Garda Roisin Murphy in my particular case. Roisin had obviously grown up some where on the Indian sub continent judging by her thick accent. Anyway I ran outta time and didn't wait for Roisin line of questions, so when I asked her for her garda I'd no, she promptly hung up.

It's not a very believeable scam ie your pps no is linked to 8 bank accounts... but if the networks don't lock it down they'll learn a bit from every smart buck like me and their story will get better over time.

Sawduck · 23-06-2021 10:56pm

Responder XY wrote: »

I got two today on my work phone. Both +353 85 387 xxxx

I imagine they got it by just brute forcing phone number format. My work phone number is knowen to virtualy nobody, just my collegues and I've never used it to register for something online or any services.

Hopefully will put people's mind to ease thinking that facebook's been hacked or it's from the HSE hack etc..

Had the exact same number +353 85 387 ring me too

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