VW ID.3

flyguy · 01-04-2020 4:46pm

BrownFinger wrote: »

Did the pricing ever come out?
How big is the battery ?

https://www.volkswagen.ie/idhub/content/dam/onehub_pkw/importers/ie/id/ID-3-1st-e-booklet.pdf

Will also likely cancel my order. Was planning to move -back- to Ireland this summer. With current state of business and virtually non existent social protection (dole) in Ireland can’t take the risk. So 2021 maybe...

KCross · 16-04-2020 12:58pm

https://www.volkswagen-newsroom.com/en/press-releases/volkswagen-starts-with-step-by-step-resumption-of-production-5961

Snippet....

"First, production is to be resumed at the plants in Zwickau and Bratislava (Slovakia) in the week from April 20."

Zwickau is the plant for the ID.3 so they will probably still manage to hit their "Summer 2020" delivery schedule for the ID.3 launch edition.

arch_stanton · 05-05-2020 7:31pm

Volkswagen sales guy tweeted that orders are opening on June 17th. He doesn't specify if for some or all countries

https://twitter.com/jstackmann/status/1257679928750940161

Davy · 05-05-2020 8:10pm

arch_stanton wrote: »

Volkswagen sales guy tweeted that orders are opening on June 17th. He doesn't specify if for some or all countries

https://twitter.com/jstackmann/status/1257679928750940161

That's left hand drive. Right hand drive is a further 4 weeks after that. I think they are making about 100 per day

drunkmonkey · 05-05-2020 8:22pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTRAXnQGVwI

Looks good... prestigious customers, had me in the first half:D

05-05-2020 9:01pm

Could it be "Guess What Mad_Lad Got, Part 3" ?

Probably not, I had high hopes for the id.3 until I read that the larger battery is 4 seater only, ridiculous.

L-M · 05-05-2020 9:06pm

Just from an internal view we’ve had no other updates.

It’s definitely coming closer but nothing further, nothing on price etc

unkel · 05-05-2020 9:43pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Probably not, I had high hopes for the id.3 until I read that the larger battery is 4 seater only, ridiculous.

Yeah ridiculous, a 4 seater. Who on earth would buy that? :pac:

L-M · 05-05-2020 10:27pm

unkel wrote: »

Yeah ridiculous, a 4 seater. Who on earth would buy that? :pac:

Cant remember that last time I saw more than 2 people in a car, even at that, it’s rare to even see two.

0lddog · 05-05-2020 10:34pm

unkel wrote: »

Yeah ridiculous, a 4 seater. Who on earth would buy that? :pac:

Anyone with more than two kids is just going to have to buy a preowned Model S and save some cash at the same time

( Sandy Munro has some pretty caustic remarks on VW in general. Will be interesting to see if he rips one of these ID cars apart )

unkel · 06-05-2020 12:57am

L-M wrote: »

Cant remember that last time I saw more than 2 people in a car, even at that, it’s rare to even see two.

I only posted that because the poster I quoted has a BMW i3. Yes, also a 4 seater only

06-05-2020 12:04pm

unkel wrote: »

Yeah ridiculous, a 4 seater. Who on earth would buy that? :pac:

Yeah I bought a 4 seater but having to go from 5 seats to 4 for the larger battery is a joke, the i3 was built as a 4 seater.

Having said that, most Euro cars claiming 5 seats is questionable, a Passat and Mondeo perhaps.

There's no reason VW had to make the ID.3 so small that it couldn't accommodate the larger battery without removing 1 of the rear seat spaces.

Silent Running · 06-05-2020 12:11pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Yeah I bought a 4 seater but having to go from 5 seats to 4 for the larger battery is a joke, the i3 was built as a 4 seater.

Having said that, most Euro cars claiming 5 seats is questionable, a Passat and Mondeo perhaps.

There's no reason VW had to make the ID.3 so small that it couldn't accommodate the larger battery without removing 1 of the rear seat spaces.

I don't think it's got anything to do with space. It's all down to weight. The same reason the bigger battery can't have the heavier glass roof.

unkel · 06-05-2020 12:13pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Yeah I bought a 4 seater but having to go from 5 seats to 4 for the larger battery is a joke, the i3 was built as a 4 seater.

Having said that, most Euro cars claiming 5 seats is questionable, a Passat and Mondeo perhaps.

There's no reason VW had to make the ID.3 so small that it couldn't accommodate the larger battery without removing 1 of the rear seat spaces.

Agreed Mad_Lad. At first I couldn't believe it myself, but when I asked the main technical guy at the demo in Weston he insisted it was going to be the case because of the extra weight, making the car not suitable for more than 4 passengers. Not the extra space the batteries take up. I asked him again and pressed him, was he 100% sure about this? Which he fairly confidently said he was (and it looks like he was right)

At €50k, the long range is ludicrously expensive and will only take up a fraction of ID.3 sales. If you need very long range, you'd be much better off with a Tesla for a just a few grand more imho

liamog · 06-05-2020 12:20pm

Yep it's been confirmed multiple times, the extra battery is included in the skateboard. So does not affect the physical cabin space.

I wonder what the regulation is that restricts the max weight, I thought there was a general weight limit but didn't realise it was based on car length as well.

drunkmonkey · 06-05-2020 12:25pm

I was looking at weight last the 1st weighs nearly the same as the awd model 3 long range, that couldn't be right is it?
I thought they maybe able to improve range with software updates doesn't really look like it if it's that heavy.

06-05-2020 12:32pm

unkel wrote: »

Agreed Mad_Lad. At first I couldn't believe it myself, but when I asked the main technical guy at the demo in Weston he insisted it was going to be the case because of the extra weight, making the car not suitable for more than 4 passengers. Not the extra space the batteries take up. I asked him again and pressed him, was he 100% sure about this? Which he fairly confidently said he was (and it looks like he was right)

At €50k, the long range is ludicrously expensive and will only take up a fraction of ID.3 sales. If you need very long range, you'd be much better off with a Tesla for a just a few grand more imho

It would be a very basic Tesla but far faster lol.

I'm kinda of stuck now deciding what to do in November. i.d 3 doesn't really float my boat, it's expensive but at least has 100 Kw charging which might make the lack of larger battery more attractive.

50 odd K for EV is too expensive really considering depreciation and yearly mileage.

40 K for Kona or E-soul and risk crippling depreciation ?

The hyundai dealer in Carlow wanted nothing to do with my i3, giving me rock bottom price as they "give it to the trade" bla bla, they don't want to sell it in case they have to try get it fixed.

Looking likely I will just keep it another 3 or 4 years because there's absolutely nothing interesting coming out EV wise over the next couple of years and the battery is doing amazingly well, no notable loss in capacity even after range test after 3 years 2 months and 83,500 kms. The car could potentially last years if nothing major goes wrong and the Rex can take care of any future capacity loss.

Perhaps Hyundai's new 800 volt tech might convince me there's some hope for electrics but most of the car companies should be ashamed, 2020 and not a lot to show.

Until then I'm not sure a high mileage Model S is appealing to me considering my yearly mileage and I might be lucky to get 250 Kms from a 2014 or 15 ? but at least they got super charging, though no CCS, even so a good one with autopilot is going to still cost 45-50k and I'm not sure I would get as much driving a 2 tonne barge as a 1300 Kg car no matter how fast the Model S is in a straight line.

Perhaps you'll let me have yours for a day on some back roads ? we can do a swap

liamog · 06-05-2020 12:45pm

Do you need 550km versus 430km?
If you just want the range and five seats your probably better targeting an ID.3 Pro S from the series production which is expected to start at the same entry price as the ID.3 1st entry which is around €35,000 including grants.

unkel · 06-05-2020 1:20pm

Deleted User wrote: »

The hyundai dealer in Carlow wanted nothing to do with my i3, giving me rock bottom price as they "give it to the trade" bla bla, they don't want to sell it in case they have to try get it fixed.

That's perfectly normal. Main dealers generally do not want to sell any second hand cars from their forecourt, unless it's their own brand and less than 5 years old

06-05-2020 1:35pm

liamog wrote: »

Do you need 550km versus 430km?
If you just want the range and five seats your probably better targeting an ID.3 Pro S from the series production which is expected to start at the same entry price as the ID.3 1st entry which is around €35,000 including grants.

No Idea what to do, I'm not sure I fancy another 400 odd volt car at the fast charger with a cold battery, 800 volts will help a lot here.

It would be interesting to see how the battery performs at the charger when cold.

How come the pro S can keep the 5 seats with the larger battery ?

unkel · 06-05-2020 1:51pm

Deleted User wrote: »

No Idea what to do, I'm not sure I fancy another 400 odd volt car at the fast charger with a cold battery, 800 volts will help a lot here.

I wouldn't be too hung up on pack voltage if I were you. It will be some time before ordinary cars are really high voltage. If ever.

Tesla Model 3 nominal pack voltage is about 350V, yet it can charge at 250kW. My own 6 year old car that had its charging limited (nerfed), can still charge at 100kW.

It would be great if you could offload your ICE car and join us EV owners :pac:

06-05-2020 4:07pm

Even teslas are effected in the cold according to Bjorn.

Hyundai are moving or at least releasing 800 volt tech 2020/21, according to Hyundai themselves.

The problem is that most manufacturers will not have more than around 110 Kw charging at 400 volts, like VW id.3 at 400 volts and that's all fine and dandy except the current is the main issue in cold, not the voltage and its the watts that count, voltage times amps = watts, so while cold will effect 800 volts somewhat the effects shouldn't be nearly as negative as with current tech. Still 110 Kw is acceptable if it can actually charge at that rate with a cold battery which I seriously doubt the id.3 can achieve.

I still didn't hear you offer me your S for a day !

The id.3 is sadly the only half decent car coming out by November, and I doubt I'll find a 2nd hand M3, I'm not sure I can live with the boot. Model S ? well I might put you on the task of finding me one with Auto Pilot!

unkel · 06-05-2020 5:31pm

Deleted User wrote: »

I still didn't hear you offer me your S for a day !

The id.3 is sadly the only half decent car coming out by November, and I doubt I'll find a 2nd hand M3, I'm not sure I can live with the boot. Model S ? well I might put you on the task of finding me one with Auto Pilot!

You haven't driven Model S yet? Free test drives from Sandyford!

If you want to find a good (value) Model S, you need to do a lot of daily looking. And join the club!

But I'll gladly take you for a spin in mine once the lockdown is over and tell you everything I know about the car

06-05-2020 7:02pm

unkel wrote: »

You haven't driven Model S yet? Free test drives from Sandyford!

If you want to find a good (value) Model S, you need to do a lot of daily looking. And join the club!

But I'll gladly take you for a spin in mine once the lockdown is over and tell you everything I know about the car

No I haven't driven the Model S yet, I'd like to take one on some back roads. Don't want it to be like the Outlander where it wants to keep going straight on a bend which is not good coming from an i3 and you forget. :eek: Not good for most of the roads around here either.

I'm also not sure about the lack of CCS and not being able to use Ionity even.

Do Tesla do PCP ?

Kramer · 06-05-2020 9:19pm

Deleted User wrote: »

No I haven't driven the Model S yet, I'd like to take one on some back roads.

Back roads?
You do realise the Model S is as wide as a wide, wide thing?
Like super tanker wide?

I've heard reports of some authorities insisting on the Model S having "wide load" plates fitted & warning flags at each corner.

06-05-2020 9:24pm

Kramer wrote: »

Back roads?
You do realise the Model S is as wide as a wide, wide thing?
Like super tanker wide?

I've heard reports of some authorities insisting on the Model S having "wide load" plates fitted & warning flags at each corner.

Ha ha funny, well the i3 is as wide as some of my roads here ffs, lol

unkel · 06-05-2020 10:21pm

Deleted User wrote: »

I'm also not sure about the lack of CCS and not being able to use Ionity even.

Any Model S or Model X can be retrofitted with CCS for €475 incl. VAT from Tesla Sandyford. That's similar enough to what you paid for a few extra cables on your i3?

Should be able to charge at up to about 120kW on Ionity

Any more questions, take it to the Model S thread before some of the users get angry again. Usually the ones that have very little else to contribute to this forum, but their negativity

06-05-2020 10:26pm

unkel wrote: »

Any Model S or Model X can be retrofitted with CCS for €475 incl. VAT from Tesla Sandyford. That's similar enough to what you paid for a few extra cables on your i3?

Should be able to charge at up to about 120kW on Ionity

Any more questions, take it to the Model S thread before some of the users get angry again. Usually the ones that have very little else to contribute to this forum, but their negativity

Haha yeah gotcha.

Indeed, I paid a bit for the 3 phase lead for the i3.

CCS vs Tesla ?

Lumen · 07-05-2020 8:03am

Deleted User wrote: »

... the current is the main issue in cold, not the voltage...

That doesn't make any sense wrt pack charge rates.

The cell is the limiting factor, and the cell doesn't know whether it's wired into a nominal 400V or 800V pack.

drunkmonkey · 07-05-2020 8:49am

How many places are there to charge at 100kw, you could probably live with the range if you can top up nearly 300km in 30 minutes, how quick can you charge it at home/work?

KCross · 07-05-2020 9:52am

Lumen wrote: »

That doesn't make any sense wrt pack charge rates.

The cell is the limiting factor, and the cell doesn't know whether it's wired into a nominal 400V or 800V pack.

The higher the current the more heat. Heat is bad for charge efficiency and cell longevity.

By doubling the pack voltage they can half the current and still get the same charge rate.

If the pack is cold you cant send high current through it but if you have an 800V pack you only need half the current so it will charge faster, all things being equal.

07-05-2020 9:58am

drunkmonkey wrote: »

How many places are there to charge at 100kw, you could probably live with the range if you can top up nearly 300km in 30 minutes, how quick can you charge it at home/work?

There's some Ionity points around more on the way for the N7 which shouldn't take much longer.

300Kms in 30 mins would be a lot better than most of us have now.

drunkmonkey · 07-05-2020 10:33am

Is there any at the moment, can't see any on the esb map, it's mainly around cork/limerick/ennis I'd get caught out if I was going to, I'd love one for a day just to see how I'd get on, one of my routes I do regularly is a 340km round trip with about 200km of that motorway.
Have we a return on them, I thought they mentioned something if we're not happy can return in 2 weeks. Starting to think I'll go for a max in moonstone grey, deposit is still down and it's going to attract very little bik.

liamog · 07-05-2020 10:57am

ESB don't have any >50kW chargers installed yet, they intend to install some but they are probably at least a year away.

drunkmonkey · 07-05-2020 11:00am

Do the private guys?

liamog · 07-05-2020 11:39am

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Do the private guys?

Just Ionity at the moment.

07-05-2020 6:20pm

Lumen wrote: »

That doesn't make any sense wrt pack charge rates.

The cell is the limiting factor, and the cell doesn't know whether it's wired into a nominal 400V or 800V pack.

The colder the battery gets the slower the chemical reactions within the battery limiting the amount of current that can be put in and taken out, the BMS isn't limiting the power or the charger, "unless" the battery temperature is low enough to cause damage, not likely in Ireland.

In other words, internal resistance increases the colder the battery gets.

Different batteries might be more or less prone to poorer cold temps just as much as heat can effect some batteries more than others.

Smck1983 · 07-05-2020 8:06pm

unkel wrote: »

Any Model S or Model X can be retrofitted with CCS for â‚¬475 incl. VAT from Tesla Sandyford. That's similar enough to what you paid for a few extra cables on your i3?

Should be able to charge at up to about 120kW on Ionity

Any more questions, take it to the Model S thread before some of the users get angry again. Usually the ones that have very little else to contribute to this forum, but their negativity

Older cars up to 120kW the newer ones are actually faster than superchargers up to 150kW.

arch_stanton · 08-05-2020 9:35am

Has there been any indication of reviewers getting to test these before sales begin? If test drives aren't available I'd expect at the very least they would get some review cars to journalists before buyers have to sign contracts completely blind. There are a few decent videos online from Fully Charged, Autocar etc but they're all at least a year old in the camouflaged prototypes.

drunkmonkey · 08-05-2020 9:59am

I think you've 2 weeks to hand it back if your not happy.

Rusky rusky · 08-05-2020 10:34am

drunkmonkey wrote: »

I think you've 2 weeks to hand it back if your not happy.

You don’t, as you have to sign the waiver during the handover.

Silent Running · 08-05-2020 10:41am

Rusky rusky wrote: »

You don’t, as you have to sign the waiver during the handover.

I asked the question when I was at the dealer last. He categorically said "No! You take delivery and it's yours".

Rusky rusky · 08-05-2020 11:04am

Silent Running wrote: »

I asked the question when I was at the dealer last. He categorically said "No! You take delivery and it's yours".

Ok, maybe if you pay cash. Def not with finance.

KCross · 09-05-2020 7:42pm

With mid July for ordering the 1st edition in RHD, what does that mean for actual delivery of the car? Anyone know?

https://twitter.com/jstackmann/status/1257739983303184385?s=20

drunkmonkey · 09-05-2020 8:13pm

The UK vw site has October down for delivery in the FAQ's. Late summer has turned into early winter.

KCross · 09-05-2020 8:21pm

drunkmonkey wrote: »

The UK vw site has October down for delivery in the FAQ's. Late summer has turned into early winter.

That sounds about right considering the ordering window was meant to be apr and is now 3 months behind.

Will VW Ireland allow a 211 reg instead of a 202, I wonder. Probably not.

DriveSkill · 09-05-2020 8:25pm

drunkmonkey wrote: »

The UK vw site has October down for delivery in the FAQ's. Late summer has turned into early winter.

Oct delivery would be OK in the UK given their reg change in Sept - not so much here obviously

Irishjg · 09-05-2020 8:59pm

KCross wrote: »

That sounds about right considering the ordering window was meant to be apr and is now 3 months behind.

Will VW Ireland allow a 211 reg instead of a 202, I wonder. Probably not.

Might be no harm to check with your local VW dealership as the time gets closer. There may be a waiting list and all ordered cars may not arrive at the same time. You could ask if they could place you near the end of the list with a view to holding your car registration until the new year. It’s no harm in asking at least.

drunkmonkey · 09-05-2020 9:58pm

When's the normal one meant to be delivered...

Beersmith · 09-05-2020 10:03pm

Is this one of the most drawn out pre orders ever for a car? And still people don't know the cost. Quite bizarre.

VW ID.3

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