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"The English are no craic"

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  • #202
    Electric Sheep
    Registered Users Posts: 2,108 ✭✭✭Electric Sheep


    Berserker wrote: »
    dd973 wrote: »
    I've always found this an odd one, if somebody's born in England (or Ireland) and they have say, an Italian or French background then this aspect of them is generally accepted as part of the person's heritage, culture and identity, yet when it's Irish, even if it's both parents there's an attitude that it's the ramblings of a fantasist who was wrapped in a Union Jack at birth with all linkage to Ireland nulled and voided. It's as if their entire prior lineage didn't exist and they're some descendant of King Harold.

    A odd post, if I'm reading it right. From my time in the UK and the US, the later in particular, people with Irish connections are very proud and open about that. Take a look at 'St Patty's day' in the US. Got talking to a young Amish lad on a visit to an Amish village in Pennsylvania once and he never shut up about the fact that he was 1/8th Irish when he heard that I lived in Ireland. Was telling me about his relatives in Laois. Lost count of the number of times, I heard the phrase "I'm Irish" in a NY twang in my time over there. Didn't happen as often in Houston but I did know two people, married couple, who's parents came from NI. They were very open about the fact that they were "going home" when they went over to N.I. on holidays.
    You are mistaking small talk for actually giving a ****.


  • #203
    dd973
    Registered Users Posts: 625 ✭✭✭dd973


    partyguinness wrote: »
    I am not quite sure I am following you or certainly that is not my experience. Sure the 2nd and 3rd generation Irish descendants are more Irish than the Irish themselves be it in the UK or the US.

    I was referring to how many Irish born people perceive them as completely 'not Irish' in any sense like they were put through some sort of steam cleaning machine at birth to remove any link with Ireland.

    There are eejits here who would perceive Shane MacGowan of dual parentage and citizenship as being some misty eyed fantasist who isn't remotely Irish and having zero connection to the country despite his family and him actually living here past and present.

    The Chinese call themselves 'Chinese' or 'Overseas Chinese' in comparison.


  • #204
    Feisar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,708 ✭✭✭Feisar


    dd973 wrote: »
    I've always found this an odd one, if somebody's born in England (or Ireland) and they have say, an Italian or French background then this aspect of them is generally accepted as part of the person's heritage, culture and identity, yet when it's Irish, even if it's both parents there's an attitude that it's the ramblings of a fantasist who was wrapped in a Union Jack at birth with all linkage to Ireland nulled and voided. It's as if their entire prior lineage didn't exist and they're some descendant of King Harold.

    No we just call them plastic paddies.

    First they came for the socialists...



  • #205
    partyguinness
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,203 ✭✭✭partyguinness


    dd973 wrote: »
    I was referring to how many Irish born people perceive them as completely 'not Irish' in any sense like they were put through some sort of steam cleaning machine at birth to remove any link with Ireland.

    There are eejits here who would perceive Shane MacGowan of dual parentage and citizenship as being some misty eyed fantasist who isn't remotely Irish and having zero connection to the country despite his family and him actually living here past and present.

    The Chinese call themselves 'Chinese' or 'Overseas Chinese' in comparison.


    I suppose it depends on an individuals definition of 'Irish' and how an individual see themselves. Does 'Irish' mean that you have to be born here, have Irish accent, went to school here etc etc. Do you take a very narrow definition? There is no criteria.

    As you said there are the Shane McGowan's of the world who grew up in an Irish household albeit in London and maintained very close links to Ireland.

    But also there are those who are maybe 3rd generation who had perhaps one grandparent who go around calling themselves 'Irish' even though they have never set foot in Ireland and could not tell you the first thing about the place and even couldn't tell you where their grand parent is from- I have met people like that.

    My thoughts are why are you saying you are Irish rather than 'Sure I have Irish ancestors but I am American/English whatever'.

    You are not Irish. You have ancestors who were Irish- that is very different. Then again who am I to tell someone that they are not Irish or French or whatever.

    Like John Lydon of the Sex Pistols experienced. His parents brought him back to Cork every summer to visit his relations. In England he was bullied for being Irish and in Cork he was bullied for being English.


  • #206
    completedit
    Registered Users Posts: 2,639 ✭✭✭completedit


    I bet plastic paddies was a term invented by English to describe Irish English and we just latched onto it.


  • #207
    pgj2015
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,479 ✭✭✭pgj2015


    Feisar wrote: »
    No we just call them plastic paddies.



    like declan rice and jack grealish.


  • #208
    blinding
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,466 ✭✭✭blinding


    Donnacha has a great Crack in his A*se . Is that sort of thing useful ?


  • #209
    dd973
    Registered Users Posts: 625 ✭✭✭dd973


    'You are not Irish'

    Did they teleport the Rotunda in 1973 and move it to Sweden then? :pac:


  • #210
    SharpshooterTom
    Registered Users Posts: 3,017 ✭✭✭SharpshooterTom


    partyguinness wrote: »
    Like John Lydon of the Sex Pistols experienced. His parents brought him back to Cork every summer to visit his relations. In England he was bullied for being Irish and in Cork he was bullied for being English.

    I think John Lydon has stated he doesn't feel either.

    Always a bit difficult when your in that situation, what do you put down on forms etc?


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  • #211
    Edgware
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,874 ✭✭✭Edgware


    The Irish are "great craic" until you have to sit beside some drunken spunker who thinks hes the life and soul of the place


  • #212
    Jimmy Garlic
    Registered Users Posts: 4,349 ✭✭✭Jimmy Garlic


    WhY are they English anyway? What is Englishness? There are so Manu stereotypes all the way buddies.


  • #213
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,934 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Some say the Germans are more robot than man.


  • #214
    Beechwoodspark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,854 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    completedit wrote: »
    I bet plastic paddies was a term invented by English to describe Irish English and we just latched onto it.

    First heard that phrase about ten years ago on British tv. Never heard it used here previously.


  • #215
    Berserker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,046 ✭✭✭Berserker


    Beechwoodspark wrote: »
    First heard that phrase about ten years ago on British tv. Never heard it used here previously.

    Heard it used here 20 years ago when people talked about the Irish international football team.


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