Can't get a job

baldshin · 13-12-2018 1:31pm

Well, after all that, I just got a call offering me the job I was on the panel for, delighted!

Hope your luck comes in soon too OP.

Wanderer78 · 13-12-2018 1:33pm

baldshin wrote: »

Well, after all that, I just got a call offering me the job I was on the panel for, delighted!

fair play, best of luck

Anthracite · 14-12-2018 12:42am

engiweirdo wrote: »

Literally just finished the degree, 6 months ago, in an area apparently in hot demand. Doesn't matter and there's fcuk all difference an additional Springboard course would make. If you're over 30 and not willing to submit to the Dublin rent game and working only to pay a landlord, it's basically fcuk off.

To the OP, do try and obtain a qualification of some type and unless you are tied to location by family needs, and I mean your own kids, not parents Tec. Get the hell out of Ireland immediately afterwards.

I'm over 30, and everyone competent in the course I completed is working now - only one of those is under 30.

engiweirdo · 14-12-2018 12:44am

Anthracite wrote: »

engiweirdo wrote: »

Literally just finished the degree, 6 months ago, in an area apparently in hot demand. Doesn't matter and there's fcuk all difference an additional Springboard course would make. If you're over 30 and not willing to submit to the Dublin rent game and working only to pay a landlord, it's basically fcuk off.

To the OP, do try and obtain a qualification of some type and unless you are tied to location by family needs, and I mean your own kids, not parents Tec. Get the hell out of Ireland immediately afterwards.

I'm over 30, and everyone competent in the course I completed is working now - only one of those is under 30.

Where are you situated? Makes a massive difference. Not everyone can afford to or wants to move to Dublin/Cork.

OneArt · 14-12-2018 6:28pm

rob316 wrote: »

In a social media age where your content says everything about your business it's needs to be entertaining, fresh and stand out. If you hire someone to your marketing team and their personality is stiff as a board, it reflects in the content they put out.

Confident we hired the right person so the method has merit.

Not true!

One of the many skills of marketing is to present a facade. A good marketer can create countless different faces to convince different audiences. Professional, whacky, boring... You need to be a shapeshifter, in a sense.

There are also many audiences which don't go for the "entertaining" factor, not by a long shot. Selling insurance to Germans? B2B? The more boring and long-winded, the better. Of course it depends on the specific metrics, but

Online dating, insurance, ecommerce, crypto investment, "letters from Santa", sex toys. I've worked on all kinds of campaigns, used many different voices and styles. Yet I'm generally quite a boring person.

Though I definitely agree that CVs are a bit outdated. Portfolios and examples of previous work are far better.

fryup · 14-12-2018 6:32pm

OneArt wrote: »

Yet I'm generally quite a boring person.

jaysus! don't be too hard on yourself

frosty123 · 17-12-2018 1:52pm

BeerWolf wrote: »

Took me two days to get an interview, and promptly the job.

I don't believe in this "hard to get a job" malarkey. More so for relatively unskilled labour that is always in demand.

well good for you but thats not my experience

engiweirdo · 17-12-2018 1:57pm

This country doesn't help either. Had to cancel an interview for this week. Job is literally 20km from my door but public transport is a bad joke and would cost €60 return in a taxi. And yeah dole = no ability to borrow/ save for a car or driving lessons.

The Tetrarch · 17-12-2018 3:05pm

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Even though, I to some degree understand where you re coming from, the corporate working environment is a truly dreadful working environment, it dehumanises people, by endless control. we are all individualistic, our own identity is important and critical for our overall happiness and well being, but there seems to be a conflict of interest within the corporate world. The truth is, most people work to just survive, yes it would be great if we could all do what we wanted to really do in life, but this isn't our reality. many employers couldn't give a ****e about their employees needs, as the bottom line is king, this is particularly evident in the corporate sector, trying to create the same type of thinkers, it results in disillusioned and unhappy workers. The corporate sector responds by various different carrot and stick approaches.

This is the job, these are the rules, this is the wage.
Is you expect a business to act as a childminder to adults you don't understand how things work.

granturismo · 17-12-2018 3:10pm

engiweirdo wrote: »

This country doesn't help either. Had to cancel an interview for this week. Job is literally 20km from my door but public transport is a bad joke and would cost €60 return in a taxi. And yeah dole = no ability to borrow/ save for a car or driving lessons.

Was the job at a different location? How did you plan on getting to get to the job site?

iamwhoiam · 17-12-2018 5:00pm

engiweirdo wrote: »

This country doesn't help either. Had to cancel an interview for this week. Job is literally 20km from my door but public transport is a bad joke and would cost €60 return in a taxi. And yeah dole = no ability to borrow/ save for a car or driving lessons.

So are you saying then that the only job you can accept must be within a walking distance from you ?

engiweirdo · 17-12-2018 5:38pm

iamwhoiam wrote: »

engiweirdo wrote: »

This country doesn't help either. Had to cancel an interview for this week. Job is literally 20km from my door but public transport is a bad joke and would cost €60 return in a taxi. And yeah dole = no ability to borrow/ save for a car or driving lessons.

So are you saying then that the only job you can accept must be within a walking distance from you ?

Or a reasonable mix of public transport + walking, up to around an hour. There is very limited public transport to the location in question. But it doesnt start early enough to reach the office or finish late enough to get home. I foolishly didnt check this before agreeing to interview.

Without income from employment I cant access credit for car, insurance, lessons so basically the extent of public transports reach plus my own feet is my limit.

Pawwed Rig · 18-12-2018 12:52am

20K on a bicycle is not that far. Certainly shorter than the commute some of the guys I work with do.

Ruraldweller56 · 18-12-2018 1:00am

engiweirdo wrote: »

Or a reasonable mix of public transport + walking, up to around an hour. There is very limited public transport to the location in question. But it doesnt start early enough to reach the office or finish late enough to get home. I foolishly didnt check this before agreeing to interview.

Without income from employment I cant access credit for car, insurance, lessons so basically the extent of public transports reach plus my own feet is my limit.

Ah lad come on? 20km? We're in the same business and you know as well as I do you go where the work is.

€60 for a taxi with the potential of a job really isn't that much.

I don't know your circumstances but Jesus I've dropped far more than that on interviews at times when I've had SFA and nothing came of it.

engiweirdo · 18-12-2018 1:22am

Ruraldweller56 wrote: »

engiweirdo wrote: »

Or a reasonable mix of public transport + walking, up to around an hour. There is very limited public transport to the location in question. But it doesnt start early enough to reach the office or finish late enough to get home. I foolishly didnt check this before agreeing to interview.

Without income from employment I cant access credit for car, insurance, lessons so basically the extent of public transports reach plus my own feet is my limit.

Ah lad come on? 20km? We're in the same business and you know as well as I do you go where the work is.

€60 for a taxi with the potential of a job really isn't that much.

I don't know your circumstances but Jesus I've dropped far more than that on interviews at times when I've had SFA and nothing came of it.

Its not just €60 to attend the interview though. It would be an ongoing €60 a day every day to get to work and home again though. Thats hardly realistic. How are you supposed to break even if it cost €300 a week just to make it in to work.

Even if it was just for the first couple of weeks until/if you got lucky with someone driving the same way, that first week or so you wouldnt even have wages, be trying to cover it from dole.

Earliest bus would have me at office at 10.am and last one home leaves at 5.15. Who would agree to those hours?

Ruraldweller56 · 18-12-2018 1:47am

engiweirdo wrote: »

Its not just €60 to attend the interview though. It would be an ongoing €60 a day every day to get to work and home again though. Thats hardly realistic. How are you supposed to break even if it cost €300 a week just to make it in to work.

Even if it was just for the first couple of weeks until/if you got lucky with someone driving the same way, that first week or so you wouldnt even have wages, be trying to cover it from dole.

Earliest bus would have me at office at 10.am and last one home leaves at 5.15. Who would agree to those hours?

I don't know what to say to you lad. You've a few years experience under your belt, you said so in another thread. How do you not have a car?

Without looking for you to spell your life out on here but like as an engineer from a rural part of the country I've had no choice only to spend time away. As have many others I've worked with who are in the exact same boat.

It would have probably been easy for me to turn around years ago and just say f*cket why bother? Sure I can't go working in Dublin/Cork/Scotland/the middle East when I've a wife and family here. But the bills need to be paid. Somehow.

Wildly Boaring · 18-12-2018 2:02am

Civil eng myself. My interview...meath, first job....Monaghan, second.......Kerry, third......limerick

From another thread I recall you're Waterford? 20k is not far.

You need a plan. Can you not get work locally eg farm/shop/pub get a grand saved and get on to credit union and sort a car?

In any country you need transport so either live near the job., live in an area with good transport links or get a car.

Coming across a bit helpless for someone with a degree. How'd you get to college?

BTW 20k is a 50 min cycle after 4 or 5 weeks on the bike.

18-12-2018 3:26am

Cycle, or get a licence and a 50cc scooter if that's what it takes to get a job. Overdraw the dole and get taxis till you're set and then pay them back like I did.

Not going to an interview cause the job is 20km away is absolutely ridiculous. There could be someone there who lives close and would happily take 10 quid a day of ya.

17larsson · 18-12-2018 6:51am

If 20km is too far to go for an interview and hopefully a job then it's hard to have sympathy if you're not willing to try that.

Hopefully a company will set up business in your front room someday, you might be able to get to that

California Dreamer · 18-12-2018 7:07am

Had a quick look on adverts. A nice selection of cars around the €3/400 mark. Some with a bit of tax and nct. Nothing special but 4 wheels and a connection to a job!!!

ChikiChiki · 18-12-2018 7:21am

engiweirdo wrote: »

This country doesn't help either. Had to cancel an interview for this week. Job is literally 20km from my door but public transport is a bad joke and would cost €60 return in a taxi. And yeah dole = no ability to borrow/ save for a car or driving lessons.

20km, you are taking the piss! I travelled 1200km at less than a days notice last year in the week before Christmas to go to an interview and I got the job having done 4 interviews in 4 days. It went like;

I was based on a dairy fam 300km west of Melbourne in Southwest Victoria and the interview was for a Big 4 role which I really really wanted.

Day 1: Phone interview with HR - Happy to put me through to next stage for position

Day 2; Phone interview with Tech Transformation Project Manager at 4pm - Received a call from HR one hour after asking me could I be in Sydney for 2pm following day. I did a quick check of skyscanner, called the bro in Melbourne, called work colleagues to swap shifts, called HR to confirm attendance. Went home, paced my bags and set out on the 300km drive to Melbourne which takes 3.5 hrs. Arrived at brothers and booked flights to Sydney for 7am and Hotel

Day 3; 8.30am fight from Melbourne to Sydney, checked into the hotel. Had 2pm interview with Assurance and Advisory manager who had ironically flown up from Melbourne to conduct the interview lol! - Received phone call one hour later to say I had progressed to the next stagewhich was an informal chat with a partner. Booked hotel for another night and went and bought a brand new shirt and tie for next day. Booked flight back to Melbourne for 2pm next afternoon

Day 4; 9am coffee with partner who asked me to bulid him a spaceship lol. Wanted me to think outside the box. Had an informal chat about family, hobbies etc. Went to airport and jumped on 2pm flight to Melbourne. Hpped in car and drove 300 km to my base in west Victoria.

Day 5; Back to my 2am shift of milking cows and cleaning ****e. Received phone call to offer the role and contract negotiations to commence in the new year. Absolutley delerious with happiness.

Moral of the story: If you really want something bad enough you will do anything to get there.

Wanderer78 · 18-12-2018 7:34am

ChikiChiki wrote:

Moral of the story: If you really want something bad enough you will do anything to get there.

Moral of this story is, some would have a break down if they lived like this, I lived only a few minutes from a job before, was working shifts, was on the pathway to a breakdown due to it, had to walk away from it. We re not all the same, we don't all have the same abilities, long term unemployment is actually complex.

18-12-2018 8:01am

You have to be a bit special to think we'd have the same jobs available without being in the EU.

18-12-2018 8:02am

DS86DS wrote: »

When a country has open borders and let's anybody and their cat in, this is one of the downsides. It's not politically correct to mention so, and there will be excuses made about "other factors involved".....but it's the truth that can't be spoken.

The fact also that you are willing to try your hand at some warehouse or supermarket work to get back onto the employment ladder also debunks that rubbish and nonsensical argument of

"But they're doing jobs that Irish people won't do".

A lie told by leftists the world over in order to justify having permanent and unregulated open borders to anybody who wants to come, or indeed feels it's their entitlement or "right" to come live in Ireland.

The hard rational fact is, is that if we hadn't signed our borders away to the EU, we would have jobs for our own people.

Make no mistake about it, next time you see 10 non-nationals working in a shop, that is 10 Irish people without work. Anybody who tries to pretend otherwise is lying through their teeth.

What a load of cr@p. There is an abundance of low skilled jobs that can’t be filled.

gandalf · 18-12-2018 8:07am

OP just scanning over this thread. It looks like where you are based is a problem from a transportation point of view. You need to put a plan in action to deal with this. You need as suggested to try and scrape the funds together to get a cheap car or motorbike. Sorting out transport will allow you to widen your scope and give you more employment options. Just from reading your posts it appears that you want the job to land in your lap. That ain't going to happen.

Mikefitzs · 18-12-2018 8:43am

I’ve just taken 38% drop in pay and increased my travel from 26km daily round trip to 80km daily round trip for a job that I really want. I’ve gone from a top management position just to get in the door in the civil service.
You really need to have a think before making a post like this, you’re rubbing many people the wrong way with all your excuses of how you can’t get a job.

Tow · 18-12-2018 8:46am

Mikefitzs wrote: »

I’ve just taken 38% drop in pay and increased my travel from 26km daily round trip to 80km daily round trip for a job that I really want. I’ve gone from a top management position just to get in the door in the civil service.
You really need to have a think before making a post like this, you’re rubbing many people the wrong way with all your excuses of how you can’t get a job.

The pension and working conditions more than make up the 38% drop in salary

Mikefitzs · 18-12-2018 9:10am

Tow wrote: »

The pension and working conditions more than make up the 38% drop in salary

That’s my point. If you really want something you have to look at the positives and go for it. Making excuses and looking for negatives will get you nowhere.

rom · 18-12-2018 9:28am

Apple at home advisor salary. You just need BB at home. Training is remote also.

raze_them_all_ · 18-12-2018 12:47pm

Went from donegal to Dublin for an interview for the same job 3 differnt times, using public transport, stayed in a bnb the night before.

Stop making excuses. Get off your hole and figure it out

Reviews and Books Galore · 18-12-2018 2:33pm

DS86DS wrote: »

When a country has open borders and let's anybody and their cat in, this is one of the downsides. It's not politically correct to mention so, and there will be excuses made about "other factors involved".....but it's the truth that can't be spoken.

The fact also that you are willing to try your hand at some warehouse or supermarket work to get back onto the employment ladder also debunks that rubbish and nonsensical argument of

"But they're doing jobs that Irish people won't do".

A lie told by leftists the world over in order to justify having permanent and unregulated open borders to anybody who wants to come, or indeed feels it's their entitlement or "right" to come live in Ireland.

The hard rational fact is, is that if we hadn't signed our borders away to the EU, we would have jobs for our own people.

Make no mistake about it, next time you see 10 non-nationals working in a shop, that is 10 Irish people without work. Anybody who tries to pretend otherwise is lying through their teeth.

I don't think Irish people like hiring Irish people for some reason or another for lower paid work.

fryup · 18-12-2018 2:53pm

^^^^^^^^^^^^^

cause they kick up too much of a fuss??

Farfromhome02 · 18-12-2018 3:01pm

Reviews and Books Galore wrote: »

I don't think Irish people like hiring Irish people for some reason or another for lower paid work.

Personally I don't think people can live on minimum wage jobs,just an existence,no life atal
Ireland is too expensive
It's only the parents of Ireland that are keeping the homeless figures from been worse
2 tier society

Ruraldweller56 · 18-12-2018 3:21pm

Farfromhome02 wrote: »

Personally I don't think people can live on minimum wage jobs,just an existence,no life atal
Ireland is too expensive
It's only the parents of Ireland that are keeping the homeless figures from been worse
2 tier society

I don't know about that. Monthly take home on minimum wage is €1522. A couple with both partners working that's not bad at all.

Mikefitzs · 18-12-2018 3:26pm

Ruraldweller56 wrote: »

I don't know about that. Monthly take home on minimum wage is €1522. A couple with both partners working that's not bad at all.

You're either joking or have never had to pay the bills in your home. That is a **** wage. Try living in a city in a decent home and pay your rent and utilities out of that money. Try paying a mortgage on it. FFS!!

Ruraldweller56 · 18-12-2018 3:31pm

Mikefitzs wrote: »

You're either joking or have never had to pay the bills in your home. That is a **** wage. Try living in a city in a decent home and pay your rent and utilities out of that money. Try paying a mortgage on it. FFS!!

I'm a mortgage holder. Come down off your high horse you tadger.

I've survived and managed to pay the bills on little more. (not when I'd my mortgage)

Did it ever occur to you that maybe you're just sh1t at managing your finances?

FFS!!!

Ruraldweller56 · 18-12-2018 3:35pm

Mikefitzs wrote: »

You're either joking or have never had to pay the bills in your home. That is a **** wage. Try living in a city in a decent home and pay your rent and utilities out of that money. Try paying a mortgage on it. FFS!!

Try living in New York and living on it. It's all relative. I'm guessing you're one of these people who thinks Ireland is Dublin?

Ruraldweller56 · 18-12-2018 3:44pm

35 year mortgage you'll be paying back about €450 a month.

Anyone that couldn't manage that with over €3000 a month needs their heads checked.

https://www.daft.ie/kerry/houses-for-sale/castleisland/26-st-stephens-park-castleisland-kerry-1944599

Pelvis · 18-12-2018 3:58pm

Ruraldweller56 wrote: »

35 year mortgage you'll be paying back about €450 a month.

Anyone that couldn't manage that with over €3000 a month needs their heads checked.

https://www.daft.ie/kerry/houses-for-sale/castleisland/26-st-stephens-park-castleisland-kerry-1944599

If you're on minimum wage you're not going to be earning anywhere near close enough to get mortgage approval on that.

Ruraldweller56 · 18-12-2018 4:10pm

Pelvis wrote: »

If you're on minimum wage you're not going to be earning anywhere near close enough to get mortgage approval on that.

I was on a smidgen more. A few years into the recession a still nothing happening here. Went over to a small town in Wales. First real job out of college.

£90 a week for a room share. Brought a ps3. Went out running a few times a week. It was hard but I made do. I managed to put away £2,500 in 12 months.

Times two for a couple? I can't see how they couldn't save that in a few years. 3,4 maybe.

Its minimum wage if that's what you make, you try to make do. You won't be buying next door to Pat Kenny.

Mikefitzs · 18-12-2018 4:47pm

Ruraldweller56 wrote: »

I'm a mortgage holder. Come down off your high horse you tadger.

I've survived and managed to pay the bills on little more. (not when I'd my mortgage)

Did it ever occur to you that maybe you're just sh1t at managing your finances?

FFS!!!

You're dreaming away in a world of your own there. Just because you want to have a pitiful existence it doesn't mean the rest of us want to join you. The average NATIONAL rent is now €1,094/month. Anyone on minimum wage will never secure a mortgage and because of high rent the majority of people will never be in a position to save the deposit for a mortgage especially those earning anything near the minimum wage.
If you want to live in the manner that most human beings like to do you won't get very far on your €1500/month. If you want to couple people then factor in children and the costs associated with them. You're living in a cocoon. Just because you found something that worked for you it doesn't mean it works for others.
Seriously I don't know why you picked a house in Castleisland to make a point, there are no jobs in the area so a car would be needed for a commute to work and possibly 2 cars for 2 people. None of your argument is valid in the majority of cases.

Ruraldweller56 · 18-12-2018 5:43pm

Mikefitzs wrote: »

You're dreaming away in a world of your own there. Just because you want to have a pitiful existence it doesn't mean the rest of us want to join you. The average NATIONAL rent is now €1,094/month. Anyone on minimum wage will never secure a mortgage and because of high rent the majority of people will never be in a position to save the deposit for a mortgage especially those earning anything near the minimum wage.
If you want to live in the manner that most human beings like to do you won't get very far on your €1500/month. If you want to couple people then factor in children and the costs associated with them. You're living in a cocoon. Just because you found something that worked for you it doesn't mean it works for others.
Seriously I don't know why you picked a house in Castleisland to make a point, there are no jobs in the area so a car would be needed for a commute to work and possibly 2 cars for 2 people. None of your argument is valid in the majority of cases.

What a condescending little fcuk you are. Is that what you think of people up and down the country making minimum wage, that they live a pitiful existence?

National average rent grossly exaggerated because of extremes in the cities.

Go on daft and you'll find places up and down the country where rent is nowhere near that level. And we seem to manage just fine. What manner are you describing, that most people want to live in? Is it eating out a few times a week going to pub all night Saturday and foreign holidays twice a year?

I never said being on it was easy or that you'd be living the high life. But f**k me if a couple living in a place where the rent is 600/700 a month can't live comfortably enough with €3,000 between them I don't know what to say.

FFS!

Mikefitzs · 18-12-2018 6:05pm

Ruraldweller56 wrote: »

What a condescending little fcuk you are. Is that what you think of people up and down the country making minimum wage, that they live a pitiful existence?

National average rent grossly exaggerated because of extremes in the cities.

Go on daft and you'll find places up and down the country where rent is nowhere near that level. And we seem to manage just fine. What manner are you describing, that most people want to live in? Is it eating out a few times a week going to pub all night Saturday and foreign holidays twice a year?

I never said being on it was easy or that you'd be living the high life. But f**k me if a couple living in a place where the rent is 600/700 a month can't live comfortably enough with €3,000 between them I don't know what to say.

FFS!

FFS!!! Petulant man, stop spinning what I've said to suit yourself and reread the comments! I'm wasting my time on you. I'll leave it to anyone else who has a few days to explain it all.

Austria! · 18-12-2018 6:18pm

2011 wrote: »

What a load of cr@p. There is an abundance of low skilled jobs that can’t be filled.

There are no jobs that can't be filled, only jobs that can't be filled at the price the company is willing to pay.

And if there are so many jobs why is the OP finding it difficult?

Stark · 18-12-2018 6:22pm

Ruraldweller56 wrote: »

What a condescending little fcuk you are. Is that what you think of people up and down the country making minimum wage, that they live a pitiful existence?

National average rent grossly exaggerated because of extremes in the cities.

Go on daft and you'll find places up and down the country where rent is nowhere near that level. And we seem to manage just fine. What manner are you describing, that most people want to live in? Is it eating out a few times a week going to pub all night Saturday and foreign holidays twice a year?

I never said being on it was easy or that you'd be living the high life. But f**k me if a couple living in a place where the rent is 600/700 a month can't live comfortably enough with €3,000 between them I don't know what to say.

FFS!

If you can't make your point without resorting to swearing, you don't have much of a point at all. By definition most people live in urban areas and naturally, that's where most of the jobs are. So if you're going to talk about cost of living for an average person, then it makes sense to talk about urban cost of living. Living in a cottage in a remote village isn't an option for most people.

Pawwed Rig · 18-12-2018 6:28pm

Mod note: Cool your heels there lads. Civil argument please

fryup · 18-12-2018 6:37pm

DS86DS wrote: »

When a country has open borders and let's anybody and their cat in, this is one of the downsides. It's not politically correct to mention so, and there will be excuses made about "other factors involved".....but it's the truth that can't be spoken.

Make no mistake about it, next time you see 10 non-nationals working in a shop, that is 10 Irish people without work. Anybody who tries to pretend otherwise is lying through their teeth.

and who the hell are we to complain??? look at all the irish living & working abroad ffs!

username2013 · 18-12-2018 7:02pm

frosty123 wrote: »

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

eemmmmm building site??? not to sure

yes i have the safe pass but i never worked in construction before, don't think i made out for it (physically)

Unless you have a physical disability the above just indicates to me that you are a lazy person. I worked on building sites for years and was no more than 10 stone. Yes it can be tough work but what job isn't. You need to change your attitude from thinking you can't do something to thinking I can do it. Seriously unless you're disabled or incapacitated in some fashion, the only thing that is stopping you from earning good money in construction is you.

Church on Tuesday · 18-12-2018 7:50pm

Mikefitzs wrote: »

You're either joking or have never had to pay the bills in your home. That is a **** wage. Try living in a city in a decent home and pay your rent and utilities out of that money. Try paying a mortgage on it. FFS!!

Can confirm, worked a job with that wage in England for a while.

You barely survive and any long term plans can go out the window.

Buford T. Justice XIX · 18-12-2018 11:20pm

Ruraldweller56 wrote: »

What a condescending little fcuk you are. Is that what you think of people up and down the country making minimum wage, that they live a pitiful existence?

National average rent grossly exaggerated because of extremes in the cities.

Go on daft and you'll find places up and down the country where rent is nowhere near that level. And we seem to manage just fine. What manner are you describing, that most people want to live in? Is it eating out a few times a week going to pub all night Saturday and foreign holidays twice a year?

I never said being on it was easy or that you'd be living the high life. But f**k me if a couple living in a place where the rent is 600/700 a month can't live comfortably enough with €3,000 between them I don't know what to say.

FFS!

Mod note: Ruraldweller56, don't post in this thread again.

Buford T. Justice

Can't get a job

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