The Scouts!

Feisar · 24-11-2018 12:18am #1

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/number-of-child-abuse-cases-in-scouts-set-to-soar-37553988.html

Is there nothing sacred? I'm quite well skilled in the outdoor scene, shooting, camping, knife work, wildlife identification etc.

I'd be afriad to take my nephew fishing at this stage!:mad:

Guy:Incognito · 24-11-2018 12:20am

Feisar wrote: »

I'd be afriad to take my nephew fishing at this stage!:mad:

Don't go touching his winky and you've nothing to be worried about.

Feisar · 24-11-2018 12:22am

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Don't go touching his winky and you've nothing to be worried about.

Well obviously ya tool

vargoo · 24-11-2018 12:22am

The pedos moved on to the Army now, read about the french military down in africa raping in all the villages, I'd say their all the same.

Peacekeepers.

Feisar · 24-11-2018 12:23am

This isn't about the french in africa

nim1bdeh38l2cw · 24-11-2018 12:36am

Feisar wrote: »

Is there nothing sacred?

Every sperm is sacred!

Feisar wrote: »

Well obviously ya tool

Don't touch his tool either, or produce yours in his presence

Car expert · 24-11-2018 12:39am

Feisar wrote: »

This isn't about the french in africa

How long did you give in Africa?

Fighting Tao · 24-11-2018 12:40am

Feisar wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/number-of-child-abuse-cases-in-scouts-set-to-soar-37553988.html

Is there nothing sacred? I'm quite well skilled in the outdoor scene, shooting, camping, knife work, wildlife identification etc.

I'd be afriad to take my nephew fishing at this stage!:mad:

Sounds like you are outing yourself as a Scout Leader.

s7ryf3925pivug · 24-11-2018 12:42am

Two scouts in the local troop when I was growing up were tied up by other scouts and had sticks shoved down their throats. I think that's technically gang rape. I reckon there are a lot of cases of sexual abuse between the scouts themselves, not just by the leaders.

Weird the way stuff like that was always just accepted. I like to think these days there would be consequences.

corner of hells · 24-11-2018 12:44am

Stetson Quick Skinhead wrote: »

Two scouts in the local troop when I was growing up were tied up by other scouts and had sticks shoved down their throats. I think that's technically gang rape. I reckon there are a lot of cases of sexual abuse between the scouts themselves, not just by the leaders.

Weird the way stuff like that was always just accepted. I like to think these days there would be consequences.

Are you sure that was the scouts ?

MonkieSocks · 24-11-2018 12:49am

Three Scouse Muslims were arrested today.

The three were named: Bin Robbin, Bin Muggin and Bin Drinking.

Sadly there is still no sign of Bin Workin!:(

Roger Hassenforder · 24-11-2018 12:50am

Is there a paedo badge?

corner of hells · 24-11-2018 12:50am

MonkieSocks wrote: »

Three Scouse Muslims were arrested today.

The three were named: Bin Robbin, Bin Muggin and Bin Drinking.

Sadly there is still no sign of Bin Workin!:(

Scouts , not scouse .

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 24-11-2018 12:53am

MonkieSocks wrote: »

Three Scouse Muslims were arrested today.

The three were named: Bin Robbin, Bin Muggin and Bin Drinking.

Sadly there is still no sign of Bin Workin!:(

Nice shoe-horning in there, Tex, but I think that'll get you carded...
EDIT - ah, scouse/scouts.... now I see the connection. I think... Cheers, Corner.

As for the topic (yes, there IS a topic) I believe the original Baden-Powell was famous for his Scouting for Boys.

Seriously though: I don't think anyone would be surprsied by those numbers given the abuses that have happened in other fields were kids and unchecked adults mixed in the past. As long as people keep rational heads and keep common sense when interacting with kids, I don;t see an issue.

Feisar · 24-11-2018 12:56am

A bit to much humour here for my liking and I'm well able to laugh at an off colour joke.

Feisar · 24-11-2018 12:58am

Car expert wrote: »

How long did you give in Africa?

I never served in Africa. Or anywhere else for that matter unless you count the FCA.

nim1bdeh38l2cw · 24-11-2018 12:58am

Feisar wrote: »

A bit to much humour here for my liking and I'm well able to laugh at an off colour joke.

Well you did open the thread in After Hours. Try Personal Issues perhaps?

The Rape of Lucretia · 24-11-2018 1:00am

Feisar wrote: »

A bit to much humour here for my liking and I'm well able to laugh at an off colour joke.

You shouldnt though - you cant make racist jokes any more.

Feisar · 24-11-2018 1:02am

Tomas Gifted Electrician wrote: »

Well you did open the thread in After Hours. Try Personal Issues perhaps?

I can take the piss with the best of them, however isn't child abuse above piss taking or am I missing something?

BBFAN · 24-11-2018 1:18am

Feisar wrote: »

I can take the piss with the best of them, however isn't child abuse above piss taking or am I missing something?

You're the one trying to tar everyone in Scouts with allegation of child abuse so maybe you are missing something?

Feisar · 24-11-2018 1:26am

BBFAN wrote: »

You're the one trying to tar everyone in Scouts with allegation of child abuse so maybe you are missing something?

Jaysus I'm not trying to tar anyone, I did post a link so it's not like I'm making this up out of thin air.

BBFAN · 24-11-2018 1:35am

Feisar wrote: »

Jaysus I'm not trying to tar anyone, I did post a link so it's not like I'm making this up out of thin air.

A thread accusing 71 people of many hundreds of thousands of being child abusers.

What was your agenda I posting it so?

vargoo · 24-11-2018 3:06am

BBFAN wrote: »

A thread accusing 71 people of many hundreds of thousands of being child abusers.

What was your agenda I posting it so?

Does OP need to post a pic of himself so we can confirm if he has a cloak and dagger?

kneemos · 24-11-2018 5:18am

BBFAN wrote: »

A thread accusing 71 people of many hundreds of thousands of being child abusers.

What was your agenda I posting it so?

Former scout leader are ya?

gctest50 · 24-11-2018 5:45am

BBFAN wrote: »

A thread accusing 71 people of many hundreds of thousands of being child abusers.

What was your agenda I posting it so?

That 71 were in Scouting Ireland

THERE IS EVIDENCE that there were as many as

71 alleged abusers at Scouting Ireland

according to an ongoing review, the Joint Committee on Children and Youth Affairs heard this morning.

murpho999 · 24-11-2018 7:13am

Sadly it should not come as a shock that an organisation such as the scouts, that took youths away for weekends would attract paedophile predators who were not vetted until recently.
It was literally a field day for them.

judeboy101 · 24-11-2018 7:48am

Quasi fascist wasp-ish organisation. In my day only protestants and the doctors sons were in it.

erica74 · 24-11-2018 7:53am

Feisar wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/number-of-child-abuse-cases-in-scouts-set-to-soar-37553988.html

Is there nothing sacred? I'm quite well skilled in the outdoor scene, shooting, camping, knife work, wildlife identification etc.

I'd be afriad to take my nephew fishing at this stage!:mad:

That's a bit of a bizarre thing to say. Why would you be afraid of taking your nephew fishing if you're just taking him fishing?

gw80 · 24-11-2018 8:37am

judeboy101 wrote: »

Quasi fascist wasp-ish organisation. In my day only protestants and the doctors sons were in it.

saucy, looks like someone didn't get accepted into the scouts when they were young,

tabby aspreme · 24-11-2018 10:04am

judeboy101 wrote: »

Quasi fascist wasp-ish organisation. In my day only protestants and the doctors sons were in it.

Things are changed now, the catlicks outbred them and have taken over scouts

24-11-2018 10:12am

Ah yes, scouting. Along with me wanting to be an altar boy, one of the very few things I remember my dad reacting with a solid "No" when I was about 7.

hairyslug · 24-11-2018 10:13am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Ah yes, scouting. Along with me wanting to be an altar boy, one of the very few things I remember my dad reacting with a solid "No" when I was about 7.

My da was the same, didn't understand at that age why.

Mookie Blaylock · 24-11-2018 10:18am

71 abusers...and 108 victims.....I'm sorry.... but those numbers are going to absolutely soar!

24-11-2018 10:46am

judeboy101 wrote: »

Quasi fascist wasp-ish organisation. In my day only protestants and the doctors sons were in it.

Well, historically you're not too far off the truth. Baden-Powell set up the Scouts in 1907/1910 as a training camp for recruits to the British Empire's forces. Irish republicans at the time set up Fianna Éireann in response and many of the insurgents in the Easter Rising had been members of FÉ. Baden Powell's establishment of a youth movement for British imperialism inspired Mussolini and Hitler in the 1920s to create their respective youth movements for fascism. So, yes, the Scouts were a sort of Hitler Youth for British Imperialists. But shhhh.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxe7w4PESXs

AndrewJRenko · 24-11-2018 11:00am

Feisar wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/number-of-child-abuse-cases-in-scouts-set-to-soar-37553988.html

Is there nothing sacred? I'm quite well skilled in the outdoor scene, shooting, camping, knife work, wildlife identification etc.

Do you really think that historical child abuse cases is something to have a little joke about? Have you any idea of the extreme lifetime damage caused to these people?

Hammer89 · 24-11-2018 11:02am

Mookie Blaylock wrote: »

71 abusers...and 108 victims.....I'm sorry.... but those numbers are going to absolutely soar!

Not a good word to use in a sexual abuse discussion let's be honest.

24-11-2018 11:08am

erica74 wrote: »

That's a bit of a bizarre thing to say. Why would you be afraid of taking your nephew fishing if you're just taking him fishing?

In fairness to that poster, I can see his point. No man would ever want any suspicion cast upon him over such a thing. A suspicion alone could destroy somebody in our tiny society - "no smoke without fire", etc.

Consequently, if he'd really like to take his nephew fishing, the smart and best way to do it is by having other people there to protect his good name in the event of any such suspicions. A sad state of affairs indeed, but better to be safe than sorry.

Wanderer78 · 24-11-2018 11:11am

Deleted User wrote:

In fairness to that poster, I can see his point. No man would ever want any suspicion cast upon him over such a thing. A suspicion alone could destroy somebody in our tiny society - "no smoke without fire", etc.

Fcuk that, if you wanna bring your loved ones off for the day, do so, and ignore others,

24-11-2018 11:12am

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Fcuk that, if you wanna bring your loved ones off for the day, do so, and ignore others,

The heart says yes, the mind says no.

Wanderer78 · 24-11-2018 11:14am

Deleted User wrote:

The heart says yes, the mind says no.

Kids generally have parents, if they're good with things, there's no problems, let's not scare ourselves with this stuff

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 24-11-2018 12:25pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The heart says yes, the mind says no.

Are the people you're worried about your nephews parents, by any chance?

judeboy101 · 24-11-2018 12:51pm

gw80 wrote: »

saucy, looks like someone didn't get accepted into the scouts when they were young,

The only scouts in Leitrim when i was a kid were IRA and British army scouts.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i · 24-11-2018 12:59pm

Deleted User wrote: »

The heart says yes, the mind says no.

What kind of mentality is that? Why would the mind say no to going fishing with your nephew or another relative for that matter. Such a stupid question.

I was in the cub scouts which was fantastic. Learnt a lot, and it was a lot of fun. The scouts was somewhat intimidating, the older kids in my group were complete cnuts. Lots of bullying, they would drink, take drugs etc. Didn't like it all that much. Never heard of any wrong doings from the leaders in either groups.

The Rape of Lucretia · 24-11-2018 1:54pm

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Fcuk that, if you wanna bring your loved ones off for the day, do so, and ignore others,

One has to be careful if reading that sentence at speed to not skim it as:
"fcuk..your loved ones...for the day...and ignore others"

given the topic.

erica74 · 29-11-2018 7:59am

I see these numbers have started to rise

https://www.thejournal.ie/scouting-ireland-receives-80-phone-calls-from-people-identifying-as-victims-4365873-Nov2018/

SCOUTING IRELAND HAS received 80 phone calls from people identifying as victims to its confidential helpline after 71 alleged abusers and 108 alleged victims were identified last week, Minister for Children Katherine Zappone has said.

We'll never know the real numbers, people will choose not to come forward and people may have died.

whisky_galore · 29-11-2018 8:24am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Well, historically you're not too far off the truth. Baden-Powell set up the Scouts in 1907/1910 as a training camp for recruits to the British Empire's forces. Irish republicans at the time set up Fianna Éireann in response and many of the insurgents in the Easter Rising had been members of FÉ. Baden Powell's establishment of a youth movement for British imperialism inspired Mussolini and Hitler in the 1920s to create their respective youth movements for fascism. So, yes, the Scouts were a sort of Hitler Youth for British Imperialists. But shhhh.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxe7w4PESXs

So it follows that Fianna Eireann were a Hitler Youth too?

uck51js9zml2yt · 29-11-2018 8:31am

A lot of hard working people giving up their time freely to help kids develop skills and allow them have fun.

Easy to knock them sitting at your keyboard.

My kids are in the scouts and it's done them no end of good.

Hannibal_Smith · 29-11-2018 8:54am

I think the thing here will be about how it was dealt with. I always suspected a story like this would break about the scouts. Just like any other part of society where adults had access to children in times when there were no garda checks and the likes. I was in the scouts and the leaders were absolute legends, I would imagine that's the same for the majority. I can't imagine child abuse would have gone on and it dealt with the same way as other organisations dealt with it. But it remains to be seen, if we ever get to hear the truth of it all.

Edgware · 29-11-2018 10:19am

corner of hells wrote: »

Are you sure that was the scouts ?

Are you sure it was sticks?

Hurrache · 29-11-2018 10:28am

judeboy101 wrote: »

Quasi fascist wasp-ish organisation. In my day only protestants and the doctors sons were in it.

Are you over 100 years of age, or did you actually live in a protestant village with a doctor training centre in it?

BBFAN · 29-11-2018 9:58pm

Hannibal_Smith wrote: »

I think the thing here will be about how it was dealt with. I always suspected a story like this would break about the scouts. Just like any other part of society where adults had access to children in times when there were no garda checks and the likes. I was in the scouts and the leaders were absolute legends, I would imagine that's the same for the majority. I can't imagine child abuse would have gone on and it dealt with the same way as other organisations dealt with it. But it remains to be seen, if we ever get to hear the truth of it all.

Tbf let's not just blankly deny what happened. It happened and there are records in Larchhill. That doesn't mean that all scout leaders were at it but there's no point in trying to protect good people by denying that any of this ever happened.

The Scouts!

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