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PARlance wrote: »

It'll be interesting to see what the players/managers come out with now that the whirlwind has passed and the owners of these clubs will have had the chance to get the PR gurus on board.

I hope we see interviews like Klopp, Bamford and Milner from last night but I suspect they will be more measured like Tuchel's.

Milner isnt the ones to stand up..... Milners out the door, and hes expendable. Hes not viewed as a asset like Mane , Salah, Allison, TAA, VVD or Robertson. They are the ones who can and should rock the boat if they have any sense of morals.

Same goes for the top stars at United. Staying silent or sitting on the fence (which IMO Klopp did, he wasnt saying what he truly felt) is just as bad as siding with these crooks.

Players need to take a stand or they are as bad as the crooks running these clubs.

Ole is in a tough spot and I fear hes while he an honest guy, hes not brave enough to speak out. Hes in a job way above his station (IMO) and he knows hes expenadable. He probably wont get to manage at this level again if he speaks out.

Rashford and Bruno have true power, they are loved by our fans. The outrage if the clubs forced either of them out for speaking out. It would be truly the beginning of the end and Ive no doubt that these two in particular are against this.

They need to speak out because it matters coming from them, not from Bamford or Milner.

Drumpot wrote: »

Footage of Woodward going to carrington yesterday to try and get players on board



Don’t know why Di Maria just showed up out of nowhere to join the celebrates like John Terry....

I think it would be weirder if Di Maria didnt show up when there's money been thrown around

beakerjoe wrote: »

Milner isnt the ones to stand up..... Milners out the door, and hes expendable. Hes not viewed as a asset like Mane , Salah, Allison, TAA, VVD or Robertson. They are the ones who can and should rock the boat if they have any sense of morals.

Same goes for the top stars at United. Staying silent or sitting on the fence (which IMO Klopp did, he wasnt saying what he truly felt) is just as bad as siding with these crooks.

Players need to take a stand or they are as bad as the crooks running these clubs.

Milner is Liverpool's captain, regardless of age or stage of career, that carries weight.

Players are pawns in this, saying they're as bad as the crooks running the club's (if they don't kick up a fuss) is quite dramatic and over the top imo.

Players carry a lot of power in this but they're also employees at the end of the day. It's a little bit more nuanced than just going out there and kicking up a fuss.

PARlance wrote: »

Milner is Liverpool's captain, regardless of age or stage of career, that carries weight.

Players are pawns in there, saying they're as bad as the crooks running the club's (if they don't kick up a fuss) is quite dramatic and over the top imo.

Players carry a lot of power in this but they're also employees at the end of the day. It's a little bit more nuanced than just going out there and kicking up a fuss.

It does to an extent, but realistically Milner wont be there when the ESL is pushed ahead.

If the players let this happen and dont take a stand, they are complicit.

What has Rashford or Harry Kane got to lose by standing up besides money.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/apr/20/chelsea-and-manchester-city-have-super-league-doubts-says-executive

I hope this is true.

The current system works for City and Chelsea. FFP has been a bust so they can continue on financially doping and these teams win league titles. Same for Bayern and PSG, the current system suits them. They won't really be the good guys, their selfish interests will just coincidentally align with the masses for once. The status quo is good for them. It is still ****ing **** for the rest of football, but at least its not the ESL so we can all live happily ever after right?

beakerjoe wrote: »

It does to an extent, but realistically Milner wont be there when the ESL is pushed ahead.

If the players let this happen and dont take a stand, they are complicit.

What has Rashford or Harry Kane got to lose by standing up besides money.

Don't get me wrong, I would love to see them all come out against it. I just think that it's unfair to be lumping them in the same boat as the owners if they aren't vocal.

What has Rashford to lose... Well he loves playing for his club, he might be told by his employer that anyone speaking out in public against the club, will be sold. This may involve uprooting family etc... There's more to it that just money. He has team mates, friends etc at the club and in the area.

Us as fans have nothing to lose arguing against it on an internet forum and it's easy to see footballers as things that just earn crazy money... But there's human factors at play. I'm sure we've all been in situations were we've had to bite our lip when we wish we could have said something.

Anyway, just a different way of looking at it. I hope we see a strong stance but I suspect it'll be more subtle things like Bruno's social media comment. I won't be directing any anger towards players in any case.

beakerjoe wrote: »

They have the potential to line their pickets with ESL money. They should be standing up or risk being complicit.



If they have morals, they shouldnt want to play for the club. He should be above that. When its clear how Man Utd arent the Man Utd of old, the love shouldnt be there plating for Glazers.

Have you stopped supporting United since Sunday? Or did you stop when the Glazers took over?

Rashford has been doing well enough on the "having morals" stake lately imo. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt on this.

PARlance wrote: »

Have you stopped supporting United since Sunday? Or did you stop when the Glazers took over?

Rashford has been doing well enough on the "having morals" stake lately imo. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt on this.

Ive voiced by displeasure about the Glazers, but admittedly I kept supporting the club in the hope things eventually change. I was naïve.

But since Sunday, Im sick. I will find it hard to want our team to do well as it ultimately may meaning nothing come May. This announcement has rocked me.

Id imagine someone like Rashford would feel similar and I imagine he can see the same road we see this going.

beakerjoe wrote: »

Ive voiced by displeasure about the Glazers, but admittedly I kept supporting the club in the hope things eventually change. I was naïve.

But since Sunday, Im sick. I will find it hard to want our team to do well as it ultimately may meaning nothing come May. This announcement has rocked me.

Id imagine someone like Rashford would feel similar and I imagine he can see the same road we see this going.

Same here, but the players are just pawns. I'm sure most are just as angry as us, imagine being a fairly significant employee of a club and your owners drop this will you're out playing a game... We both want them to speak out, I just won't be diverting any anger towards them if they don't. Our anger should be fixed firmly on a handful of p****s ruining the club.

Other Premier League teams, UEFA, FIFA and some of the "Super League" clubs themselves are the only ones who can really put a stop to this imo.

If there's any silver lining, I hope this falls flat on its face and the Glazers decide to sell up... Wishful thinking maybe.

PARlance wrote: »

Same here, but the players are just pawns. I'm sure most are just as angry as us, imagine being a fairly significant employee of a club and your owners drop this will you're out playing a game... We both want them to speak out, I just won't be diverting any anger towards them if they don't. Our anger should be fixed firmly on a handful of p****s ruining the club.

Other Premier League teams, UEFA, FIFA and some of the "Super League" clubs themselves are the only ones who can really put a stop to this imo.

If there's any silver lining, I hope this falls flat on its face and the Glazers decide to sell up... Wishful thinking maybe.

I dont think we will get rid of Joel and co even if this ESL goes belly up.

I was disappointed with Klopp to an extent last night, but he was sent to the wolves...... and the Owner declined to comment. He shouldnt be put in that position, the owners are happy to hide while he gets sent out to speak to reporters.

billyhead wrote: »

if this goes ahead this season was meaningless.

Which is ****ing ****e because I've actually somewhat enjoyed a lot of the things the team has done this year. Probably our most easy to like teams that played as a group since Fergie.

nullzero wrote: »

Only because he'd fallen out with the previous owners, see the Rock of Gibraltar issue.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.skysports.com/football/news/2363319/fergie-glazers-are-excellent&ved=2ahUKEwjo0NX25ozwAhWRunEKHfrAAucQFjAAegQIAxAC&usg=AOvVaw3q-6ygopezJZMmnI1sXB-O&cshid=1618921072660

fatherted1969 wrote: »

The Man City one is a strange one for me. They couldn't be in it for the money, they're basically laundering money at that club with the threat of FFP hanging over them constantly. How could they be motivated by 300M when that's just pocket money to the owners ? Can understand the Glazers buying into that payday but not the clubs owned by oil millionaires

But aren't they now a massive club that are amongst the world elite. That's what they like to think anyway. What's laughable aswell is the inclusion of Spurs.

Watching SSN here, there are reports that the other 14 teams are open to welcoming the 'top 6' back but will not welcome back some of the senior executives involved, my assumption is Joel Glazer given he's heavily involved, maybe Woodward as well.

This could be groundbreaking for the owners to fúck off.

Lord TSC wrote: »

As bad as the club is coming out of this on the board level, I’m really happy with the vibes coming off about the players’ reactions.

Rashford and Bruno coming out against it on social media, Maguire apparently pulling up Woodward on it. While I hate what the club has done, it will make it easier to cheer the squad again when the dust settles.

It makes things easier. Im not looking forward to Sunday though. A match I should be really up for is overshadowed.

Father Hernandez wrote: »

Watching SSN here, there are reports that the other 14 teams are open to welcoming the 'top 6' back but will not welcome back some of the senior executives involved, my assumption is Joel Glazer given he's heavily involved, maybe Woodward as well.

This could be groundbreaking for the owners to fúck off.

I don't blame them, who'd want to see the Woodward's scaly skin

malinheader wrote: »

I wouldn't be surprised if Woodward gets thrown under the bus by the Glaziers if they do pull out.
But I'm sure his compensation will make up for any pain.
Still leaving a massive problem of the glazier leeches still being at United.

In what sense would they throw him under the bus? Hes not spear heading it, Joel Glazers name is down as a vice pres, Woodward is simply carrying out orders.

Drumpot wrote: »

The game has different meaning to people. These change may affect how they feel about the club or even football going forward. That anecdote may mean nothing good to you but it expresses the sentiments of what a lot of people imagined the sport should be about which is the fans.

I don’t know if SAF is pro ESL or not, but I know he’s built the club to the status it has and has given way more to fans then anybody else. In the absence knowing one way or another why shouldn’t I presume he’s behind the fans?

People talk about how Fergie and Shankley etc would be dead against this, and Im sure Klopp and Ole may be dead against it behind closed doors.

I still beleive that someone, in these 6 clubs have to be braver than Milner, or Klopp or Pep have been. Id love to see someone talk about it as passionately as Carra and Neville, from a high profile position with these six English clubs.

I suspect many within these high profile players dont want to rock the boat for fear of consequences. I understand it, just wish it wasnt the case.