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  • #152
    EltonJohn69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,492 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69


    Naomi Loose Tongs wrote: »
    Go find me a billionaire that could afford united thats a good guy

    I will have to have a think.
    Branson did basically screw over a lot of people in his time, basically took all the money and rewards from others peoples work, not someone you want owing the club.


  • #153
    Diana Witty Washbowl
    Posts: 0 ✭✭✭✭ Diana Witty Washbowl


    EltonJohn69 wrote: »
    I will have to have a think.
    Branson did basically screw over a lot of people in his time, basically took all the money and rewards from others peoples work, not someone you want owing the club.

    You don't make billions being a philanthropist I'd say you'll.be thinking a while


  • #154
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    EltonJohn69 wrote: »
    I will have to have a think.
    Branson did basically screw over a lot of people in his time, basically took all the money and rewards from others peoples work, not someone you want owing the club.

    You've just described basically anyone who is going to be in a position to spend £3bn+ on a football club.

    In terms of prospective buyers and their misdeeds, I'd be surprised and even just content to keep "war crimes/genocide" off the table.


  • #155
    Pipmae
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,040 ✭✭✭Pipmae


    Gosh how I wish the Stripe brothers were Man Utd fans and willing to buy.


  • #156
    v3ttel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,320 ✭✭✭v3ttel


    Adamocovic wrote: »
    Feel bad for Ole.

    He even referred to it as speculation when asked yesterday. Clearly didn’t know much if all about it. Woodward previously denied it claiming he was working towards CL 2024 changes.

    How Ole responds will be a huge thing for how he’s remembered by the club. I know managers involved are in a tough spot but if he was to come out against it he’d certainly go up in many peoples books.

    Genuinely don't think he knew much about this at all, and only learned of the idea of some announcement a few hours before kick off yesterday. There seemed to be no consultation or even any real communication to the staff of the clubs. Klopp confirmed as much for Liverpool tonight.

    People can question Ole as a manager, but he absolutely respects the history and tradition of United. He knows what the club means to people. I hope he understands that as a club legend, he has the power to come out and authority to say he is against the idea.

    Also hoping that Maguire as captain, Bruno as the leader of the dressing room and Rashford as a person of integrity also come out oppose it. They don't need to speak as openly as Gary Neville, but they must make their position known.

    The heat needs to be at the Glazers door. They are the issue. They are the ringleaders.


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  • #157
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Pipmae wrote: »
    Gosh how I wish the Stripe brothers were Man Utd fans and willing to buy.

    That is actually a perfect exception to my 'rule'.


  • #158
    wanderer100
    Registered Users Posts: 7,054 ✭✭✭wanderer100


    Oh boy :o

    https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1384282327581298694?s=20


  • #159
    DM_7
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 18,413 Mod ✭✭✭✭DM_7


    Mod Reminder: please be mindful not to offer abusive comments.

    The frustration is clear and understandable but we can still offer posts that reflect our views that are in line with the forum charter.


  • #160
    y0ssar1an22
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,244 ✭✭✭✭y0ssar1an22


    v3ttel wrote: »
    Genuinely don't think he knew much about this at all, and only learned of the idea of some announcement a few hours before kick off yesterday. There seemed to be no consultation or even any real communication to the staff of the clubs. Klopp confirmed as much for Liverpool tonight.

    People can question Ole as a manager, but he absolutely respects the history and tradition of United. He knows what the club means to people. I hope he understands that as a club legend, he has the power to come out and authority to say he is against the idea.

    Also hoping that Maguire as captain, Bruno as the leader of the dressing room and Rashford as a person of integrity also come out oppose it. They don't need to speak as openly as Gary Neville, but they must make their position known.

    The heat needs to be at the Glazers door. They are the issue. They are the ringleaders.

    think bruno will be kept away from media duties...

    Bruno Fernandes has become the first footballer directly involved in the Super League to break his silence on the controversial breakaway competition.

    Podence's post reads: "The ball. The song. The dream. The Zidane's volley... Kaka's solo... Liverpool in Athens... Ole in Barcelona... Cris and Seedorf... There some (sic) things we just can't really pay for."

    Responding to the post, Fernandes replied: "Enorme (enormous)."

    The Red Devils star later shared the post to his own Instagram Story, and included the text: "Dreams can't be [bought]," alongside clapping emojis.

    he didnt lambast the idea, but id say he hates it and could easily pop off in a post game interview


  • #161
    ~Rebel~
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,007 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    y0ssar1an22 wrote: »
    think bruno will be kept away from media duties...

    Bruno Fernandes has become the first footballer directly involved in the Super League to break his silence on the controversial breakaway competition.

    Podence's post reads: "The ball. The song. The dream. The Zidane's volley... Kaka's solo... Liverpool in Athens... Ole in Barcelona... Cris and Seedorf... There some (sic) things we just can't really pay for."

    Responding to the post, Fernandes replied: "Enorme (enormous)."

    The Red Devils star later shared the post to his own Instagram Story, and included the text: "Dreams can't be [bought]," alongside clapping emojis.

    he didnt lambast the idea, but id say he hates it and could easily pop off in a post game interview

    I'd say every player hates it really... they've all grown up dreaming of stepping onto the Champions League stage, hearing that music, and maybe - maybe - even going all the way.

    It has been very effectively built up as the absolute pinnacle of club football over decades, and that's going to be very hard to shake off for players. Mentally and emotionally I'd imagine this new thing feels a lot more like the International Champions Cup preseason tourney. You're in it because of the huge money it gives you, but it doesn't mean anything to you.


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  • #162
    larchielads
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,735 ✭✭✭larchielads


    Dunno if this was said, but hopefully this puts the glazers
    off and they sell up and fcuk off!!!


  • #163
    Mars Bar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,947 ✭✭✭✭Mars Bar


    https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=4034017929954412&id=148788988477345

    Share value in the club took a hike after the news


  • #164
    kowloonkev
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,502 ✭✭✭kowloonkev


    I wonder what will happen when these ESL games actually take place. Will fans try to disrupt them? It would be a fairly easy thing to arrange like stopping traffic, pitch invasions etc. Do they really think fans are going to take this lying down?

    Next Man City manager: You lot may all be internationals and have won all the domestic honours there are to win under Pep. But as far as I'm concerned, the first thing you can do for me is to chuck all your medals and all your caps and all your pots and all your pans into the biggest **** dustbin you can find, because you've never won any of them fairly. You've done it all by bloody cheating.



  • #165
    malinheader
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,132 ✭✭✭malinheader


    kowloonkev wrote: »
    I wonder what will happen when these ESL games actually take place. Will fans try to disrupt them? It would be a fairly easy thing to arrange like stopping traffic, pitch invasions etc. Do they really think fans are going to take this lying down?

    Really hope so.
    An ESL game should never be allowed to be played at OT.
    Never have a better opportunity to get rid of the glaziers and Woodward if that is what supporters really want.


  • #166
    The_Kew_Tour
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,424 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    The sad thing is the Glazers will be last to pull the plug on this if it goes pear shaped


  • #167
    Louis Friend
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 590 ✭✭✭Louis Friend


    (Bloomberg) --UEFA is in discussions with Centricus Asset Management over a 6 billion-euro ($7.2 billion) financing package to overhaul its flagship soccer tournament and stop plans for a new breakaway Super League, according to people familiar with the matter. The Switzerland-based sporting body is working with Centricus on a plan to fund a new-look UEFA Champions League tournament, the people said, asking not to be identified discussing confidential information.

    It looks like UEFA are creating a war-chest to quell the rebellion. I do think that’s the most likely outcome, i.e. the clubs just get a lot more out of UEFA.


  • #168
    malinheader
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,132 ✭✭✭malinheader


    I don't care really how this is resolved or not. But one thing is clear, the Glaziers are one of the main characters behind this greed fest and cannot be allowed to stay in the league as owners.
    I would take any sanctions gladly to be rid of these.
    Even if the ESL falls through things will never be the same at United.
    Hopefully the premier league meeting today will show they have the balls to stand up to these leeches.


  • #169
    Agent Coulson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,902 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    Louis Friend wrote: »
    (Bloomberg) --UEFA is in discussions with Centricus Asset Management over a 6 billion-euro ($7.2 billion) financing package to overhaul its flagship soccer tournament and stop plans for a new breakaway Super League, according to people familiar with the matter. The Switzerland-based sporting body is working with Centricus on a plan to fund a new-look UEFA Champions League tournament, the people said, asking not to be identified discussing confidential information.

    It looks like UEFA are creating a war-chest to quell the rebellion. I do think that’s the most likely outcome, i.e. the clubs just get a lot more out of UEFA.

    The thing there is the same as JP Morgan backing the Super League is that asset management company will want to be making huge profits if they are going to be fronting billions.

    The clubs will want to make hundreds of millions.

    Then the broadcasters will want to make huge profits.

    It’s us the fans who will get screwed no matter who wins because we will be the ones paying for it all.


  • #170
    Kerrydude1981
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    Being reported this morning that two clubs are having second thoughts

    Don't think Utd will be one of them, I would be very surprised if it was


  • #171
    PhlegmyMoses
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,906 ✭✭✭✭PhlegmyMoses


    malinheader wrote: »
    I don't care really how this is resolved or not. But one thing is clear, the Glaziers are one of the main characters behind this greed fest and cannot be allowed to stay in the league as owners.
    I would take any sanctions gladly to be rid of these.
    Even if the ESL falls through things will never be the same at United.
    Hopefully the premier league meeting today will show they have the balls to stand up to these leeches.
    What i find hilarious, is that 15 years ago Ed Woodward and Malcolm Glazer completed a JP Morgan funded LBO which turned United upside down and it was allowed by the PL and we were all told that thats just business and to suck it up. The club became a meme and rival fans laughed. 15 years later, a consortium lead by Woodward, the Glazers and funded by JP Morgan is about to turn all of football on its head at the highest level. And now everyone gives a ****. 3 decades of greed and allowing disgraceful figures into the sport have lead to this and somehow we are all shocked and appalled now.


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  • #172
    beakerjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,753 ✭✭✭✭beakerjoe


    malinheader wrote: »
    Really hope so.
    An ESL game should never be allowed to be played at OT.
    Never have a better opportunity to get rid of the glaziers and Woodward if that is what supporters really want.

    This stance is what they want.

    They'd love to take United on the road to play games in Asia, Qatar, USA.....

    United are fudged until the Glazers exit... which will only happen if the ruin the club first


  • #173
    Drumpot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    PhlegmyMoses wrote: »
    What i find hilarious, is that 15 years ago Ed Woodward and Malcolm Glazer completed a JP Morgan funded LBO which turned United upside down and it was allowed by the PL and we were all told that thats just business and to suck it up. The club became a meme and rival fans laughed. 15 years later, a consortium lead by Woodward, the Glazers and funded by JP Morgan is about to turn all of football on its head at the highest level. And now everyone gives a ****. 3 decades of greed and allowing disgraceful figures into the sport have lead to this and somehow we are all shocked and appalled now.

    Yeh, the sport has allowed this happen and in many ways uefa, the EPL and sky are getting what’s been coming to them.

    At this stage I’d be delighted if it fell apart, the club value tanked, they got relegated and football reinvented itself for the better.

    I don’t see that happening, I can see the super league starting in august and things change progressively over the years.

    In 15 years time games will have 6 quarters because young peoples attention span can’t last 45 minutes. Teams home ground will rotate around the world because it will of been reclassified “the world super league” and like it’s not fair to limit where the teams play...

    I don’t think some people realise, this is going to follow whatever whims the billionaires want and if the data shows young people want more cowbell, the players will end up playing with cowbells on their boots. They won’t be stupid but nothing will be sacred , nothing in the sport will not be on the table for the chop. Think USA 94 by a thousand. No draws allowed. Widen goals in xtra time, oh they are gonna do whatever they want with the sport now that they have restless control.


  • #174
    beakerjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,753 ✭✭✭✭beakerjoe


    Agent Coulson wrote: »
    The thing there is the same as JP Morgan backing the Super League is that asset management company will want to be making huge profits if they are going to be fronting billions.

    The clubs will want to make hundreds of millions.

    Then the broadcasters will want to make huge profits.

    It’s us the fans who will get screwed no matter who wins because we will be the ones paying for it all.

    United are Predator, UEFA are the Aliens.... we are the weak humans....

    Who ever wins.... we, the fans, lose


  • #175
    malinheader
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,132 ✭✭✭malinheader


    PhlegmyMoses wrote: »
    What i find hilarious, is that 15 years ago Ed Woodward and Malcolm Glazer completed a JP Morgan funded LBO which turned United upside down and it was allowed by the PL and we were all told that thats just business and to suck it up. The club became a meme and rival fans laughed. 15 years later, a consortium lead by Woodward, the Glazers and funded by JP Morgan is about to turn all of football on its head at the highest level. And now everyone gives a ****. 3 decades of greed and allowing disgraceful figures into the sport have lead to this and somehow we are all shocked and appalled now.

    Lots of fans were shocked and disgusted, but some chose to complain about the songs sang about Woodward and glaziers at games and being outraged at a crowd outside his house that I think was fairly staged. Alot of people knew what damage they were doing to the club but still some would stay quiet and rather complain about a certain section of supporters who knew the truth.
    Perhaps the people who were staying silent have finally realized what a complete crowd of scumbags are running our club. If I was on that board I would be very worried as i fear this is not going to end well.


  • #176
    PhlegmyMoses
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,906 ✭✭✭✭PhlegmyMoses


    malinheader wrote: »
    Lots of fans were shocked and disgusted, but some chose to complain about the songs sang about Woodward and glaziers at games and being outraged at a crowd outside his house that I think was fairly staged. Alot of people knew what damage they were doing to the club but still some would stay quiet and rather complain about a certain section of supporters who knew the truth.
    Perhaps the people who were staying silent have finally realized what a complete crowd of scumbags are running our club. If I was on that board I would be very worried as i fear this is not going to end well.

    But its not just the fans. Where the **** were the PL and UEFA when they were allowing owners like this to complete leveraged buy outs of football clubs and saddle them with debt? Where were they when middle east and Russian oil money started flooding in and no longer operating clubs as a going concern? The impact of all of this was rippling through the leagues and now we are all shocked that they are taking it to the next step. They got into bed with these guys, held the door open for them gladly and are now saddened that they turned out to be the greedy scumbags we all knew they were. Just now its impacting more than just the fans so we care.


  • #177
    billyhead
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,966 ✭✭✭billyhead


    If there needs to be 20 teams for this to work where are the other 8 teams coming from? The Germans can't join up due to their ownership structure/model.


  • #178
    billyhead
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,966 ✭✭✭billyhead


    PhlegmyMoses wrote: »
    But its not just the fans. Where the **** were the PL and UEFA when they were allowing owners like this to complete leveraged buy outs of football clubs and saddle them with debt? Where were they when middle east and Russian oil money started flooding in and no longer operating clubs as a going concern? The impact of all of this was rippling through the leagues and now we are all shocked that they are taking it to the next step. They got into bed with these guys, held the door open for them gladly and are now saddened that they turned out to be the greedy scumbags we all knew they were. Just now its impacting more than just the fans so we care.

    Brown envelopes?


  • #179
    Mitch Connor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 46,308 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    billyhead wrote: »
    If there needs to be 20 teams for this to work where are the other 8 teams coming from? The Germans can't join up due to their ownership structure/model.

    been saying this since it was announced - with the backlash that has understandably followed, I just can't see where they get the other 8 sides from.

    I think this thing is doomed to failure, and it is just a matter of how much United and the rest are willing to cost themselves before they give up and go crawling back to Uefa.


  • #180
    Drumpot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    malinheader wrote: »
    Lots of fans were shocked and disgusted, but some chose to complain about the songs sang about Woodward and glaziers at games and being outraged at a crowd outside his house that I think was fairly staged. Alot of people knew what damage they were doing to the club but still some would stay quiet and rather complain about a certain section of supporters who knew the truth.
    Perhaps the people who were staying silent have finally realized what a complete crowd of scumbags are running our club. If I was on that board I would be very worried as i fear this is not going to end well.

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=112241270&postcount=447

    I got lambasted by some in here because I said while I wouldn’t be part of any violence against Woodward (back in Jan 2019) but I wouldn’t condemn it either. These guys are playing with an institution that is like a religion for some people. They are making a fortune on the backs of fans and ignoring the hardcore base. If they get attacked or worse, it’s their own fault.


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  • #181
    billyhead
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,966 ✭✭✭billyhead


    Mitch Connor wrote: »
    been saying this since it was announced - with the backlash that has understandably followed, I just can't see where they get the other 8 sides from.

    I think this thing is doomed to failure, and it is just a matter of how much United and the rest are willing to cost themselves before they give up and go crawling back to Uefa.

    Wouldn't it be great if the proposal fell flat on its arse. The Glazers sulked, sold the club and pissed off back to America.


  • #182
    Drumpot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    billyhead wrote: »
    Wouldn't it be great if the proposal fell flat on its arse. The Glazers sulked, sold the club and pissed off back to America.

    That is ideal situation for me from a United POV. But then there needs to be institutional changes with every team having an equal right. Collective prosperity with uefa sorting itself out. Even reading that last sentence I don’t see anything changing. Unfortunately absolute power corrupts absolutely, regardless of sport or country etc, it’s inevitable. We needed the FBI to clear out some of the rot in FIFA, there always gonna be dodgy f*cks running the show as these positions attract power hungry parasites. Like politicians.


  • #183
    loyatemu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,115 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    billyhead wrote: »
    If there needs to be 20 teams for this to work where are the other 8 teams coming from? The Germans can't join up due to their ownership structure/model.

    PSG can't join as they've hitched their wagon to FIFA with the 2022 world cup.
    Have the other big French clubs come out against it (Lyon & Marseilles)? Ajax have ruled themselves out now.

    Other options would be maybe Spartak, Galatasary (big clubs in huge football markets). More Spanish and Italian clubs - Sevilla, Roma possibly?


  • #184
    Louis Friend
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 590 ✭✭✭Louis Friend


    Drumpot wrote: »
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=112241270&postcount=447

    I got lambasted by some in here because I said while I wouldn’t be part of any violence against Woodward (back in Jan 2019) but I wouldn’t condemn it either. These guys are playing with an institution that is like a religion for some people. They are making a fortune on the backs of fans and ignoring the hardcore base. If they get attacked or worse, it’s their own fault.

    Ah come on. What they’re doing is wrong, but that’s mad stuff.


  • #185
    The Big Easy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,947 ✭✭✭The Big Easy


    Mitch Connor wrote: »
    been saying this since it was announced - with the backlash that has understandably followed, I just can't see where they get the other 8 sides from.

    I think this thing is doomed to failure, and it is just a matter of how much United and the rest are willing to cost themselves before they give up and go crawling back to Uefa.

    It seems so ill thought out. To announce as 12 seeking another 3 founders and 5 rotating members. To be publicly wooing 3 clubs into joining.

    It has to just be brinkmanship and they're pushing for something very specific from UEFA.

    If they really wanted this to be reality, announcing before they have all their ducks in a row is madness.

    Surely something else is at play here that we're not privy to?


  • #186
    Bob Harris
    Registered Users Posts: 3,461 ✭✭✭Bob Harris


    loyatemu wrote: »
    PSG can't join as they've hitched their wagon to FIFA with the 2022 world cup.
    Have the other big French clubs come out against it (Lyon & Marseilles)? Ajax have ruled themselves out now.

    Other options would be maybe Spartak, Galatasary (big clubs in huge football markets). More Spanish and Italian clubs - Sevilla, Roma possibly?

    I haven't seen any mention of Porto, they've actually won it twice and are regulars in the quarter finals though success in the competition does not seem to be a factor!


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  • #187
    Mitch Connor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 46,308 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    The Big Easy wrote: »
    It seems so ill thought out. To announce as 12 seeking another 3 founders and 5 rotating members. To be publicly wooing 3 clubs into joining.

    It has to just be brinkmanship and they're pushing for something very specific from UEFA.

    If they really wanted this to be reality, announcing before they have all their ducks in a row is madness.

    Surely something else is at play here that we're not privy to?

    that is whagt i keep coming back to - there has to be something we are missing because what has been done so far is insanity.

    They are nowhere close to being in a position to do this.

    Missing 3 founders - difficult.
    Missing 5 qualifiers - impossible.

    What on earth are they at?


  • #188
    malinheader
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,132 ✭✭✭malinheader


    Drumpot wrote: »
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=112241270&postcount=447

    I got lambasted by some in here because I said while I wouldn’t be part of any violence against Woodward (back in Jan 2019) but I wouldn’t condemn it either. These guys are playing with an institution that is like a religion for some people. They are making a fortune on the backs of fans and ignoring the hardcore base. If they get attacked or worse, it’s their own fault.

    Listening to carra and Neville Last night telling people it was up to the fans to stop this. My immediate thoughts were that this is going to get messy.
    As you rightly said they have no one to blame but themselves, they knew what kind of backlash they would get but profits and money are more important than the club or supporters.


  • #189
    beakerjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,753 ✭✭✭✭beakerjoe


    The Big Easy wrote: »
    It seems so ill thought out. To announce as 12 seeking another 3 founders and 5 rotating members. To be publicly wooing 3 clubs into joining.

    It has to just be brinkmanship and they're pushing for something very specific from UEFA.

    If they really wanted this to be reality, announcing before they have all their ducks in a row is madness.

    Surely something else is at play here that we're not privy to?

    Ed's handling of the Felliani deal and Sancho deals gives me hope that hes not the shrew negotiator he thinks he is.


  • #190
    billyhead
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,966 ✭✭✭billyhead


    loyatemu wrote: »
    PSG can't join as they've hitched their wagon to FIFA with the 2022 world cup.
    Have the other big French clubs come out against it (Lyon & Marseilles)? Ajax have ruled themselves out now.

    Other options would be maybe Spartak, Galatasary (big clubs in huge football markets). More Spanish and Italian clubs - Sevilla, Roma possibly?

    Porto @ Benfica perhaps? This ESL is just to appeal to the Chinese and India masses. They don't give a toss about history or tradition. Theseso called fans want to see the best compete against one another on a weekly basis not United v Fulham for example. If this goes ahead the heart and soul of football is gone and a lot of clubs will go bankrupt.


  • #191
    Father Hernandez
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,302 ✭✭✭✭Father Hernandez


    Drumpot wrote: »
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=112241270&postcount=447

    I got lambasted by some in here because I said while I wouldn’t be part of any violence against Woodward (back in Jan 2019) but I wouldn’t condemn it either. These guys are playing with an institution that is like a religion for some people. They are making a fortune on the backs of fans and ignoring the hardcore base. If they get attacked or worse, it’s their own fault.

    Agreed, I remember that Drumpot and again when it was brought up again in Jan 2020 when there were more anti Glazer/Woodward songs - The Bonfire Song included.

    Effectively they have stolen a club from fans that has been in existence since 1878, used it for their own profit, tried to make more money for themselves with the SL, leeching from the club that fans have supported emotionally, financially since many were young and never once consulted fans and in this instance even the staff and players.

    If someone steals something from you, you won't take it lying down. At this stage were something to happen to the Glazers or Woodward, I wouldn't give a fúck. That goes for themselves, their property, whatever. It might be the only way they'll listen.


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  • #192
    Lord TSC
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    [Mike Keegan] I understand that Harry Maguire confronted Ed Woodward at the meeting over the players (who went out and played on Sky as the news broke) not knowing about the plans. Fair play to the United captain.


  • #193
    beakerjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,753 ✭✭✭✭beakerjoe


    Lord TSC wrote: »
    [Mike Keegan] I understand that Harry Maguire confronted Ed Woodward at the meeting over the players (who went out and played on Sky as the news broke) not knowing about the plans. Fair play to the United captain.

    I never wanna hear another bad word said about our Harry ever again.


  • #194
    Lord TSC
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 42,604 Mod ✭✭✭✭Lord TSC


    beakerjoe wrote: »
    I never wanna hear another bad word said about our Harry ever again.

    Bruno yesterday, Maguire today. And I feel we're the only team who are "leaking" that the players are frustrated by this too.


  • #195
    beakerjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,753 ✭✭✭✭beakerjoe


    Last night from Klopp and Milner was a good start, but more players need to be vocal if they have any shred of morals.

    Milner, hes in a good position to speak out as hes probably at the end of his career anyway.

    But Klopp, and high profile players need to speak out if they believe this is wrong. And if they dont believe its wrong, surely they are just as greedy as everyone else.

    The high profile players, like KDB, Bruno, Maguire, Kane, Mane, Salah, Rashford, Bale, Loris, ... High profile managers like Pep, Klopp, Zidane, Conte, they need to either support the fans or in my eyes, they are as greedy as everyone of those owners.

    These high profile figures, are in a hugely influential position to take a stand against this, and vote with their feet about which teams to represent.

    I feel for the players, they didnt ask for this, but we are where we are. I also wonder if the ESL clubs are breaching the terms of their contracts with the players, assuming that this can be settled with an uplift in salary. If that’s so – and it’s big if, but not an unlikely one – then if they decide they’re doing well enough already, the clubs have a potentially insurmountable problem.

    These high profile players are earn bucket loads already, time will tell if some are greedy for more.


  • #196
    PhlegmyMoses
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,906 ✭✭✭✭PhlegmyMoses


    beakerjoe wrote: »
    Last night from Klopp and Milner was a good start, but more players need to be vocal if they have any shred of morals.

    Milner, hes in a good position to speak out as hes probably at the end of his career anyway.

    But Klopp, and high profile players need to speak out if they believe this is wrong. And if they dont believe its wrong, surely they are just as greedy as everyone else.

    The high profile players, like KDB, Bruno, Maguire, Kane, Mane, Salah, Rashford, Bale, Loris, ... High profile managers like Pep, Klopp, Zidane, Conte, they need to either support the fans or in my eyes, they are as greedy as everyone of those owners.

    These high profile figures, are in a hugely influential position to take a stand against this, and vote with their feet about which teams to represent.

    I feel for the players, they didnt ask for this, but we are where we are. I also wonder if the ESL clubs are breaching the terms of their contracts with the players, assuming that this can be settled with an uplift in salary. If that’s so – and it’s big if, but not an unlikely one – then if they decide they’re doing well enough already, the clubs have a potentially insurmountable problem.

    These high profile players are earn bucket loads already, time will tell if some are greedy for more.

    If we are hoping for players and their agents to decide to rock up at West Ham or Aston Villa next year with a 100k a week haircut to their wages then we are going to be very disappointed. They will take the soup


  • #197
    kowloonkev
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    The players didn't ask for it but the fans didn't either. They will probably have to choose which side they're on eventually and be remembered as vermin or legends. The ESL can't really happen without the best players.

    Personally, whether the 12 clubs cave or not I won't be spending another penny on United until there's a change of ownership.

    Next Man City manager: You lot may all be internationals and have won all the domestic honours there are to win under Pep. But as far as I'm concerned, the first thing you can do for me is to chuck all your medals and all your caps and all your pots and all your pans into the biggest **** dustbin you can find, because you've never won any of them fairly. You've done it all by bloody cheating.



  • #198
    PARlance
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,338 ✭✭✭✭PARlance


    Lord TSC wrote: »
    [Mike Keegan] I understand that Harry Maguire confronted Ed Woodward at the meeting over the players (who went out and played on Sky as the news broke) not knowing about the plans. Fair play to the United captain.

    It'll be interesting to see what the players/managers come out with now that the whirlwind has passed and the owners of these clubs will have had the chance to get the PR gurus on board.

    I hope we see interviews like Klopp, Bamford and Milner from last night but I suspect they will be more measured like Tuchel's.


  • #199
    Ashbourne hoop
    Registered Users Posts: 1,025 ✭✭✭Ashbourne hoop


    Your Airbag wrote: »
    The majority of fans will subscribe, the absolute majority will and likewise for the majority on here. We will tune in if its the new elite football competition.

    Right now I hate the idea of the ESL but if it was to go ahead I cannot say I would be able to resist watching it for long. A few years in and the hate would die down and figures will go up. They know this. The owners and organizers have all the power.

    They can take football and totally reshape it. Reshape how it is played and viewed, as depressing as that sounds.

    I don't agree at all. Yes it may attract new fans in massive numbers at first but I don't see it lasting. Will people continue to pay to watch Utd v Madrid year after year if its a pointless 8th v 9th game ? Can't see it. I for one will never subscribe to an ESL match, and I'm sure there's plenty others who won't. The whole concept sounds ****e to me to be honest.


  • #200
    Ashbourne hoop
    Registered Users Posts: 1,025 ✭✭✭Ashbourne hoop


    Bob Harris wrote: »
    I haven't seen any mention of Porto, they've actually won it twice and are regulars in the quarter finals though success in the competition does not seem to be a factor!

    Porto have said they were invited but turned it down.

    https://theathletic.com/news/porto-european-super-league-teams/EJxxUYb0b1i1


  • #201
    DM_7
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 18,413 Mod ✭✭✭✭DM_7


    Mitch Connor wrote: »
    that is whagt i keep coming back to - there has to be something we are missing because what has been done so far is insanity.

    They are nowhere close to being in a position to do this.

    Missing 3 founders - difficult.
    Missing 5 qualifiers - impossible.

    What on earth are they at?

    I think it was opportunistic. A lot of private money is interested in financing sport. On a smaller scale venture capitalists were/are trying to set up a new golf league away from the existing tours.

    In this case football clubs are having a pot of 4billion in advance funding waived at them during a time of reducing revenue.

    UEFA planned reform of champions league, to be announced one day after this news broke, did not include a guaranteed cash injection so it looks like they decided to pressure them into a rethink that would include cash and more games.

    They want a way to replace lost income and they want it rapid. They want cash to to do up stadiums and or clear existing financial problems of today. They want more games to get more tv money now and more stadium money in the future.

    They are pretty up front about it:
    Perez said that the top teams were losing money and that big-name matches would help increase their revenue.
    When you don't have any income other than from television, you have to find a solution to make more attractive matches that fans all over the world can watch with all of the big clubs

    https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/56812151


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