Euro 2020

opr · 06-12-2012 5:27pm #1

From The Guardian - Uefa confirms Euro 2020 to be staged in various cities across Europe.

I think this was the proposal.

Platini continued: "We are just thinking about it. I have said 12 or 13 host cities, it could be 24 or 32. We are not at that stage yet. It is the political decision that needs to be made. We wouldn't have to build stadiums or airports. That could be important in an economic crisis."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/jun/30/euro-2020-12-13-countries-michel-platini

Opr

Leiva · 06-12-2012 5:29pm

Ahh sure feck the travelling fans. sure who are they anyway .:rolleyes:

Dozen Wicked Words · 06-12-2012 5:29pm

opr wrote: »

From The Guardian - Uefa confirms Euro 2020 to be staged in various cities across Europe.

I think this was the proposal.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/jun/30/euro-2020-12-13-countries-michel-platini

Opr

So they are killing the spirit of another one of their competitions. Terrible idea.

GLaDOS · 06-12-2012 5:31pm

Where is it confirmed? Link is just an old article with Platini saying it could happen?

Dozen Wicked Words · 06-12-2012 5:33pm

ScienceNerd wrote: »

Where is it confirmed? Link is just an old article with Platini saying it could happen?

On Sky Sports News

Here as well now too:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/dec/06/euro-2020-across-europe-uefa?CMP=twt_gu

listermint · 06-12-2012 5:34pm

Its not going to happen. smoke blowing.

mitosis · 06-12-2012 5:34pm

Leiva wrote: »

Ahh sure feck the travelling fans. sure who are they in anyway .:rolleyes:

Who are they in?

Various cities across Europe isn't that big an issue necessarily. Consider, it is within 50km difference the distance from Turin to Palermo or London. Cities in France, Germany, England are not that far apart. It makes it more a European contest.

ThunbergsAreGo · 06-12-2012 5:34pm

Didnt they just confirm they are thinking about it?

In the minority, but as a once off I like the idea

kfallon · 06-12-2012 5:35pm

Jaysus there will be some load of Host countries automatically qualifying :P

BhoscaCapall · 06-12-2012 5:35pm

Should just be cancelled along with all international football.

The_Kew_Tour · 06-12-2012 5:37pm

If they had Brain among them they be dangerous. Stupid idea . Stupid stupid.

Dont be at yourself · 06-12-2012 5:40pm

If Ireland had qualified from their group in Poland we'd have been facing a 1,000km trip East. We were closer to fecking Calais than Donetsk.

I think it's a cracking idea, as long as they keep it fairly close together (ie, not Malaga and Stockholm). Keep it fairly close together: France, Germany, Belgium, Netherlands, Denmark, Austria, Switzerland. There'd be a great element of adventure in it then -- fans not only wondering who they'd be paired with in the knockouts, but where they'd be off to as well.

Yurt · 06-12-2012 5:42pm

What are the chances on Dublin staging a game ?

ArmaniJeanss · 06-12-2012 5:43pm

Meh at kite flying announcement today, 95% likely it'll end up being solo-hosted by Turkey once they lose the Olympic Bid to Tokyo next June.

carlop · 06-12-2012 5:45pm

Yurt wrote: »

What are the chances on Dublin staging a game ?

I'd say quite high. I imagine when they get down to sorting it all out each group stage will be based in a part of the continent. Something like Group A in Britain and Ireland, group B in the Iberian peninsula, group C in the Benelux countries and so on.

Dozen Wicked Words · 06-12-2012 5:46pm

Euro 2020 sponsored by Ryanair.

allanb49 · 06-12-2012 5:49pm

Bad idea off the bat if it goes ahead, 3 games in you won't know where you're going to be so say it's France Germany Austria, We have our last game in Marseille then have to travel to Hamburg

Most will fly, some will get the train but the prices will be sky high at that point so it will be financially unfeasible

TheTownie · 06-12-2012 5:49pm

"We wouldn't have to build stadiums or airports. That could be important in an economic crisis."

I suppose travelling fans don't fall under an economic crisis. :rolleyes:

mitosis wrote: »

Who are they in?

Various cities across Europe isn't that big an issue necessarily. Consider, it is within 50km difference the distance from Turin to Palermo or London. Cities in France, Germany, England are not that far apart. It makes it more a European contest.

Tell that to Ryanair and the rest of 'em. They never miss an opportunity to extort money for such events.

ArmaniJeanss · 06-12-2012 5:59pm

allanb49 wrote: »

Bad idea off the bat if it goes ahead, 3 games in you won't know where you're going to be so say it's France Germany Austria, We have our last game in Marseille then have to travel to Hamburg

Most will fly, some will get the train but the prices will be sky high at that point so it will be financially unfeasible

As I understand it in the event of that draw (France, Germany, Austria, Ireland) that the 4 nations would be expected to agree something sensible.
Which might be 2/3 cities in Germany, or Cork and Dublin hosting all the games.
Or Strasbourg and Frankfurt being relatively close if two countries want it.
But not Hamburg and Marseilles.

So in theory for the group games it shouldn't be hugely different for the travelling fan than for a normal finals group.
No-one is suggesting afaik that the group with Cyprus and Iceland should have 3 games in Larnaca and 3 in Reykavik.

Oat23 · 06-12-2012 6:03pm

Israel and Kazakhstan better not get any games!

I prefer having a host nation, but hiring a camper for a few weeks and driving around Europe could be fun.

mike65 · 06-12-2012 6:07pm

from PA

UEFA will stage the Euro 2020 tournament in a number of cities across the continent, the European governing body decided on Thursday.

The decision was taken by Uefa's executive committee at a meeting in Lausanne. It means there will be no one country hosting the tournament. The Football Association has already put forward Wembley to Uefa as a possible venue for the final. The announcement will also give hope to Wales, Scotland and the Republic of Ireland hosting some Euro 2020 matches – they too have already expressed their interest to Uefa.

Uefa's general secretary Gianni Infantino said: "Some important decisions have been taken. Uefa Euro 2020 will be staged across the continent, in various major cities, following a decision taken today. A Euro for Europe follows an initial idea by Uefa president Michel Platini. The response has been extremely positive from all the national associations."

Turkey had initially bid to host Euro 2020 and the country's Uefa vice-president Senes Erzik opposed the decision, Infantino confirmed.

The format and number of cities that will be involved in the tournament will be decided by Uefa's national teams committee. Infantino said the bidding process for the host cities would start in March and would take a year with decisions made in the spring of 2014. Uefa also decided that the 2013-14 European women's under-17 tournament will be hosted in England.

Leiva · 06-12-2012 6:08pm

its a terrible idea.

I like the fact that a single host city gets really behind the tournament and sets its own vibe and atmosphere which usually goes hand in hand with that particular countries culture, you lose this,or dilute it down at best when multiple host cities involved.

fans wont be bedded into a single venue or take over a single city (ala the Irish in Poznan/Gdansk

) and lots of expensive travelling imo.

why fix what's not broken ?

edit: ohh could we be seeing this as an ice breaker for Ireland, Wales & Scotland as possible hosts?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4SuR8hTGMI

Dozen Wicked Words · 06-12-2012 6:13pm

UEFA are led by greed, why else would they increase the number of teams to 24, and therefore reduce the number of countries who could host it by themselves. It will water it down further, just like they have done with the European Cup, where it actually used to be a competition for Champions, its now for teams who could finish in the top 4.

SEPT 23 1989 · 06-12-2012 6:21pm

Western Europe hopefully

CSF · 06-12-2012 6:37pm

Platini just isn't very intelligent at all

Washington Irving · 06-12-2012 6:40pm

Knowing UEFA, some team is going to get screwed over having a game in Dublin and then another game three days later in Istanbul.

T-K-O · 06-12-2012 6:45pm

dooferoaks wrote: »

UEFA are led by greed, why else would they increase the number of teams to 24, and therefore reduce the number of countries who could host it by themselves. It will water it down further, just like they have done with the European Cup, where it actually used to be a competition for Champions, its now for teams who could finish in the top 4.

This.

It's all about the money. They will make a fortune from what ever countries are interested in hosting the games

IvySlayer · 06-12-2012 6:49pm

So more bribery in order?

Beefy78 · 06-12-2012 6:51pm

I think it's a brilliant idea. Countries will still be based in individual cities and I'm sure (as mentioned earlier) you'll have groups in nearby countries, so Group A in London & Paris, Group B maybe Stockholm & Copenhagen, Group C in Lisbon & Madrid, Group D Dublin & Glasgow etc, etc.

As someone who looked into trying to get from Warsaw to Donetsk in the Summer to watch different games, having access to continent-wide rail and air transport will make the whole thing incredibly easy and I'd imagine cheaper than it currently is.

And if your team doesn't qualify you can go anywhere in Europe for your holidays and watch the tournament. Fantastic.

EdenHazard · 06-12-2012 7:56pm

Hahah Dublin the city no fan will want to have their teams matches held in.

Leiva · 06-12-2012 7:57pm

EdenHazard wrote: »

Hahah Dublin the city no fan will want to have their teams matches held in.

Why?

kensutz · 06-12-2012 8:04pm

EdenHazard wrote: »

Hahah Dublin the city no fan will want to have their teams matches held in.

Really? Considering feedback of the Europa League final was very good to Dublin.

Fr Tod Umptious · 06-12-2012 8:08pm

Its a sensible idea for 2020 where there is no standout bidder.

whether it will continue beyond then we will see

MaroonAndGreen · 06-12-2012 8:13pm

Wouldnt like this.. it breaks a 50 odd year long tradition..

SEANoftheDEAD · 06-12-2012 8:48pm

It's a shocking idea and NOT fair on the fans!
Not only will the tournament suffer but the lack of each countries fans at their knock out games will be unreal and ruin any atmosphere!

This is all because Turkey have the Olympic bid in and cant host both at the same time. And because Platini (winter world cup, 64 team champions league idea man) expanded the ****ing tournament from 16 to 24...

Italy are well able to host it, but didnt get the votes cause there stadia is new and shiney.

UEFA/FIFA are just a pack of old hat ****!

R.I.P Football.

Kidchameleon · 06-12-2012 11:53pm

It'll remove the whole festival atmosphere of the big tournament. I really hope this is a once off, although I can see Platini going for an Asain contenent world cup, South American world cup etc.. When he takes over FIFA.

Richard Hillman · 07-12-2012 12:11am

The expansion is already ruining the tournament and it hasnt even started yet.

SantryRed · 07-12-2012 12:16am

Did they have any other choice? I don't think there was a decent bid out there?

greendom · 07-12-2012 12:28am

if it was managed correctly it wouldn't result in any more travel than occured to teams in this year's Euros or some recent World Cups, 1994 or 2002 for example.

Now that the tournament has been expanded to 24 teams it becomes harder for a single country to host the entire tournament. It also gives opportunities for smaller countries to get involved, which they would never have been able to before.

I really don't understand why anyone would give out about this - it all makes perfect sense to me

Mr.Nice Guy · 07-12-2012 12:40am

I like to stay open minded on things like this but my gut feeling is this will be a bad idea.

I like a tournament to have a vibe from the area it's in. Look at the great energy that enveloped London with the Olympics it held this year. Would it have been quite as good if cities like Paris and Rome had portions of the Games too? I think not. In fact, there would probably have been sniping and criticism over the different themes and ideas of the different regions.

I think the great thing about sports tournaments is being able to showcase an area to the world and the two-way bond that develops between visitors and hosts. That would be diluted, watered down under this UEFA scheme as far as I can see.

I can't say I'm surprised though because football under FIFA and UEFA has increasingly become more about money - under the guise of innovation and modernity - than about the traditions that underpin what makes the sport special.

ArmaniJeanss · 07-12-2012 12:55am

EdenHazard wrote: »

Hahah Dublin the city no fan will want to have their teams matches held in.

Leiva wrote: »

Why?

In fairness we are one of the more inaccessible parts of Europe, as a continental European your only option is basically to fly into Dublin (Belfast at a push). Islands are generally a pain to get to as you can't fly to the cheap airport 100 miles away in the neighbouring country and then get a train.
And the weather is crap even in summer, and we don't have Poland/Ukraines advantage of being cheap as chips.

If I was a football fan from any one of about 30 countries stretching from Spain in the south to Denmark in the North and over to Romania/Hungary in the east, then Ireland wouldn't be particularly high on my 'oh goodie, look where we've been drawn' list.

jive · 07-12-2012 2:36am

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

In fairness we are one of the more inaccessible parts of Europe, as a continental European your only option is basically to fly into Dublin (Belfast at a push). Islands are generally a pain to get to as you can't fly to the cheap airport 100 miles away in the neighbouring country and then get a train.
And the weather is crap even in summer, and we don't have Poland/Ukraines advantage of being cheap as chips.

If I was a football fan from any one of about 30 countries stretching from Spain in the south to Denmark in the North and over to Romania/Hungary in the east, then Ireland wouldn't be particularly high on my 'oh goodie, look where we've been drawn' list.

Also don't forget that Dublin is just shít in general.

Xavi6 · 07-12-2012 2:47am

Great idea if they plan it so the host cities are in close proximity. You'd have a belter of an interrail-style four week holiday and see a large chunk of Europe while watching football.

Happy days.

utopianruins wrote: »

R.I.P Football.

Ah yes, because amongst everything else, this is the final nail in the coffin.

Beefy78 · 07-12-2012 10:18am

Xavi6 wrote: »

Great idea if they plan it so the host cities are in close proximity. You'd have a belter of an interrail-style four week holiday and see a large chunk of Europe while watching football.

Happy days.

I assume that's exactly how it will be planned - with Groups based in two reasonably nearby cities and those groups being spread across the Continent so that no one should be any significant distance away from a host city. For fans this is a fantastic turn of events and an extremely rare case of UEFA making a decision which actually makes a huge amount of sense.

Beefy78 · 07-12-2012 10:20am

utopianruins wrote: »

It's a shocking idea and NOT fair on the fans!
Not only will the tournament suffer but the lack of each countries fans at their knock out games will be unreal and ruin any atmosphere!

Why will there be a lack of each countries fans their knock out games? It won't be any different in that regard to how it is today.

Fr Tod Umptious · 07-12-2012 11:54am

I'm failing to see why people are getting so outraged about this and how it's greedy and ant- fans etc.

Most of developed Europe has been tapped whne it comes to hosting the European Championships, they have all done it, England Germany, France, Bel\Ned etc

And when all of the above are no longer interested you are left with silly bids like Eire, Scotland and wales, or bids from locations that may struggle to gets things done on time, Turkey, Georgia/Azerbajain

As has been pointed out already it cannot be any worse that having to go to games as far away as Donetsk and then having you next one in Warsaw.

Beefy78 · 07-12-2012 12:31pm

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

As has been pointed out already it cannot be any worse that having to go to games as far away as Donetsk and then having you next one in Warsaw.

Not sure if I mentioned this yesterday in my first post but I was based in Warsaw during the Euros and was quoted £700 for a return flight from there to see England vs France in Donetsk.

Munich to Lisbon or Stockholm to Dublin won't be like that as there will be plenty of different travel options available.

Big Pussy Bonpensiero · 07-12-2012 12:41pm

If the groups are groups of four it's very possible that each group will have 2 stadia between them, and thus, one city. Most big cities will easily be able to accommodate this. Even if it's between 2 cities, e.g. Monaco and Marseille, Turin & Milan, Amsterdam & Rotterdam, etc., I think it would be an excellent idea.

I very much doubt, for all their shortcomings, UEFA would put one team playing in Copenhagen one day, and Lisbon 4 days later. If it is done properly, it would be an excellent idea imo.

Father Damo · 07-12-2012 12:54pm

Terrible idea. It also leaves the thing wide open to hooliganism due to a lack of pre intelligence regarding who is coming to what country. Imagine a Germany vs Turkey quarter final is to be played in Athens with five days notice for the local authorities- the Germans hate the Turks, the Turks hate the Greeks, and the Greeks will be spoiling for a fight with the pair of them. Same story if a knock out involved Bosnia vs Croatia in Belgrade.

Not to mention unfair home crowd advantages. Some poorer countries struggle to get more than a few thousand fans to a tournament held in a single country. Is France vs Bulgaria held in Germany really fair in terms of crowd advantage?

Like always I can see this as being one off those plans designed to give the benefits to the traditional football powers. What happened to our bid anyway?

carlop · 07-12-2012 1:23pm

Father Damo wrote: »

Terrible idea. It also leaves the thing wide open to hooliganism due to a lack of pre intelligence regarding who is coming to what country. Imagine a Germany vs Turkey quarter final is to be played in Athens with five days notice for the local authorities- the Germans hate the Turks, the Turks hate the Greeks, and the Greeks will be spoiling for a fight with the pair of them. Same story if a knock out involved Bosnia vs Croatia in Belgrade.

Not to mention unfair home crowd advantages. Some poorer countries struggle to get more than a few thousand fans to a tournament held in a single country. Is France vs Bulgaria held in Germany really fair in terms of crowd advantage?

Like always I can see this as being one off those plans designed to give the benefits to the traditional football powers. What happened to our bid anyway?

UEFA may appear foolish at times, but they are not retarded. The host cities will be pre-determined, but I imagine they will wait until after the draw is made to decide what city hosts what group, and what city hosts what prospective 2nd round tie.

Almost all of the poorer countries in Europe have a) a percentage of middle-class/wealthy people that would be more than sufficient to fill a football stadium and b) a huge amount of migrants spread out around Europe.

I would bet that France vs Bulgaria group game in Germany would have more Bulgarian fans than French at it.

I prefer the traditional, one or two country system (I was at the Euros and had a fantastic time, none of it down to pitch-related matters) but as an alternative to having games in Asia, the deepest, darkest parts of the former Soviet bloc or in Thurles, it seems to me like a good way to go.

Beefy78 · 07-12-2012 1:38pm

Father Damo wrote: »

Terrible idea. It also leaves the thing wide open to hooliganism due to a lack of pre intelligence regarding who is coming to what country. Imagine a Germany vs Turkey quarter final is to be played in Athens with five days notice for the local authorities- the Germans hate the Turks, the Turks hate the Greeks, and the Greeks will be spoiling for a fight with the pair of them. Same story if a knock out involved Bosnia vs Croatia in Belgrade.

Not to mention unfair home crowd advantages. Some poorer countries struggle to get more than a few thousand fans to a tournament held in a single country. Is France vs Bulgaria held in Germany really fair in terms of crowd advantage?

Again, what part of this doesn't apply now? Bigger countries have bigger fanbases. That happened in 2004, 2008 and will happen in 2020.

There won't be five days notice. The draw will be made the year before like it always is, and every possible scenario will be run through. This is the European Championship, not the FA Cup.

Euro 2020

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