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  • 21-07-2019 5:43pm
    #1
    furyen
    Registered Users Posts: 63 ✭✭


    Hi everyone,

    can anyone recommend a good chiropractor in limerick?


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    cletus
    Registered Users Posts: 7,883 ✭✭✭cletus


    furyen wrote: »
    Hi everyone,

    can anyone recommend a good chiropractor in limerick?

    I'd be inclined not to recommend a chiropractor at all, and instead find a physiotherapist


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    magicbastarder
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    +1, and to add:

    There is no statutory regulation of chiropractic in Ireland

    Safety

    Minor adverse effects after spinal manipulation are reported in up to 60% of patients. The most commonly reported adverse effects are:

    headache
    stiffness
    pain
    fatigue

    These effects usually develop within four hours of a session and typically resolve themselves within 24 hours.

    Serious complications that have been linked to spinal manipulation include tearing of an artery wall leading to stroke, injury to the spinal column leading to paralysis, and build-up of blood between the skull and the outer layers of the brain, which can result in coma or death. These events usually occurred after spinal manipulation involving the neck. Some of these events may have occurred due to a pre-existing health condition, and not the spinal manipulation itself.

    These more serious complications of spinal manipulation are rare. Estimates of the rates of serious complications range widely, from 1 in tens of thousands to one in millions.

    https://www.hse.ie/eng/health/az/c/chiropractic/safety-and-regulation-of-chiropractic.html


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    brocbrocach
    Registered Users Posts: 890 ✭✭✭brocbrocach


    Why do people feel the need to be negative about chiropractors? Some of their results can be fantastic. In other countries they're given equal status as some of the more conventional medicines.


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    tuxy
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    brocbrocach wrote: »
    Why do people feel the need to be negative about chiropractors? Some of their results can be fantastic

    Same goes for faith healers many swear by them but if I was having back problems I'd give em a miss.


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    [Deleted User]
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    The problem with the physiotherapists is people don't do the bloody exorcises and write them off as crap they did nothing. No the problem is 'you' did nothing.

    Experienced this with an older family member with back issues.


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    Chicken George
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    furyen wrote: »
    Hi everyone,

    can anyone recommend a good chiropractor in limerick?

    Dont go to a chiropractor. They'll empty your wallet and the problem won't be solved. Charlatans and bluffers is all they are...
    Find yourself a good osteopath.


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    hesker
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    +1 to the above. Have gone the chiropractic route. Won’t be doing it again.

    Have been to a good few physio sessions. Last one I went to recommended a physical massage therapist who specialises in deep tissue massage. Basically same as what a physio would do but because they do it day in day out they are very very good at what they do.

    Benefits are immediate. Sometimes just one session is needed. Just need to be more disciplined about the bloody stretching exercises.


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    evolving_doors
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    brocbrocach wrote: »
    Why do people feel the need to be negative about chiropractors? Some of their results can be fantastic. In other countries they're given equal status as some of the more conventional medicines.

    Chiropractors literally don't know what they are doing. They think they know, but there is no medical research to back them up.


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    El Tarangu
    Registered Users Posts: 1,615 ✭✭✭El Tarangu


    brocbrocach wrote: »
    Why do people feel the need to be negative about chiropractors? Some of their results can be fantastic. In other countries they're given equal status as some of the more conventional medicines.

    Really?

    Which countries?


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    endacl
    Registered Users Posts: 22,238 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    El Tarangu wrote: »
    Really?

    Which countries?

    Narnia.


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    Lumen
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    brocbrocach wrote: »
    Why do people feel the need to be negative about chiropractors? Some of their results can be fantastic.
    i think I read somewhere that many of the issues that present to physios would resolve themselves with time anyway.

    So it may well be that some people who go to chiropractors see fantastic results, and those people are likely to be enthusiastic. But it doesn't mean the chiropractor did anything useful.


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    brocbrocach
    Registered Users Posts: 890 ✭✭✭brocbrocach


    El Tarangu wrote: »
    Really?

    Which countries?


    Australia and New Zealand to name two that I know of.
    Really what's the agenda? Why would you be so eager to dismiss something that people consistently find good?

    There would be no chiropractors if they weren't achieving results. Think about it.

    If I was ignorant on a subject I'd just stay quiet about it and let people get on with it.


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    furyen
    Registered Users Posts: 63 ✭✭furyen


    Chiropractic Medicine is great, a good adjustments is great and the body feel great after


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    brocbrocach
    Registered Users Posts: 890 ✭✭✭brocbrocach


    Lumen wrote: »
    i think I read somewhere that many of the issues that present to physios would resolve themselves with time anyway.

    So it may well be that some people who go to chiropractors see fantastic results, and those people are likely to be enthusiastic. But it doesn't mean the chiropractor did anything useful.


    You can say that about any kind of medicine to be fair.

    There's a huge amount that conventional medicine gets wrong or completely ignores. Sinuses, stomach disorders, fertility problems to name three common problems that your GP hasn't an asses notion about.


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    El Tarangu
    Registered Users Posts: 1,615 ✭✭✭El Tarangu


    brocbrocach wrote: »
    Australia and New Zealand to name two that I know of.

    Fair enough, I didn't know that.
    Really what's the agenda? Why would you be so eager to dismiss something that people consistently find good?

    It has zero basis in science; the notion of someone without a medical background manipulating a baby's spine in an effort to cure their colic is deeply troubling
    There would be no chiropractors if they weren't achieving results. Think about it.

    There are loads of people that swear by naturopaths, homeopaths, tarot card readers, angel healers, priests, etc; this is not to be taken as a measure of their effectiveness
    If I was ignorant on a subject I'd just stay quiet about it and let people get on with it.

    I know enough about it to know that it provides about the same positive results that one could expect from placebo, and that it has a much higher rate of adverse effects than one could expect from a real medical treatment.


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    Weepsie
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    I've known chiropractors to have permanently damaged people's vertebrae. They should be walked a mile from.

    Chartered physio or osteopath are the way to go.

    Chiropractors don't know what people think they do, and are no more than shills


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    brocbrocach
    Registered Users Posts: 890 ✭✭✭brocbrocach


    El Tarangu wrote: »
    it has a much higher rate of adverse effects than one could expect from a real medical treatment.


    Ah, real medical treatments like thalidomide you mean? Or the peripartum hysterectomies that went on in Drogheda? It's science though, so they knew what they were doing and they wear white coats.
    Not to mention that the IMO, which should be regulating chiropractors, homeopaths, etc. has it's nose so far up the backsides of oil dictators that nothing else matters to them. But sure, they're the lads to trust to be impartial when it comes to your health.


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    Alek
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    brocbrocach wrote: »
    Ah, real medical treatments like thalidomide you mean? Or the peripartum hysterectomies that went on in Drogheda?

    Cherry picking, suppressing evidence, or the fallacy of incomplete evidence is the act of pointing to individual cases or data that seem to confirm a particular position while ignoring a significant portion of related cases or data that may contradict that position.


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    tuxy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,983 ✭✭✭✭tuxy


    Have you tried essential oils?


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    brocbrocach
    Registered Users Posts: 890 ✭✭✭brocbrocach


    Alek wrote: »
    Cherry picking, suppressing evidence, or the fallacy of incomplete evidence is the act of pointing to individual cases or data that seem to confirm a particular position while ignoring a significant portion of related cases or data that may contradict that position.


    Going on the prior postings I thought that's what we were all doing here, no?

    The "evidence" in the earlier link against chiropractors, "The two prospective reports suggested that relatively mild adverse effects occur in 30% to 61% of all patients" is just laughable I'm afraid.

    Does your dictionary have a definition for hearsay and "dúirt bean liom go ndúirt bean léi" I wonder because that's all I'm reading otherwise. Obviously my own views are purely based on word of mouth too but at least I'm not pretending to be anything other than a randommer who has found it good.

    Anyway the poster who wanted a chiropractor is happy in his/her choice so I'm done.


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    ridelikeaturtle
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    To debate the efficacy of chiropractic (or homeopathy, or any similar quackery-debunked-one-thousand-times-over nonsense) is not a serious discussion. Might as well debate whether or not 12 is more, or less, than 5.

    Facts and evidence are not something which dissuade believers.


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    magicbastarder
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    The 'Genesis' of chiropractic speaks to how much you should trust it. It was literally received wisdom, the creator of it claims the universe told him about it or some such guff.


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    Bot1
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    brocbrocach wrote: »
    You can say that about any kind of medicine to be fair.

    There's a huge amount that conventional medicine gets wrong or completely ignores. Sinuses, stomach disorders, fertility problems to name three common problems that your GP hasn't an asses notion about.

    'Conventional' Western medicine is based on the scientific method.

    Chiropractic has no scientific basis.


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    odyssey06
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    There are Chiropractors and there are chiropractors.

    To become a Chiropractor in Australia requires 5 years of study. First, complete an accredited bachelor’s degree in Health Science, followed by a two-year Master of Clinical Chiropractic.
    Source: https://www.seek.com.au/career-guide/role/chiropractor

    In Ireland... Currently there is no legislation governing Chiropractic in Ireland. This means regardless of proper qualifications or ethical standards anyone may call themselves a Chiropractor.
    Source: https://www.chiropractic.ie/cai-information/

    However, to be a member of the Chiropractic Association of Ireland, only graduates of accredited institutions are permitted to join the association.

    So if you are unsure about whether you have a medically qualified professional or a quack, don't go to a chiropractor in Ireland.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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    Large bottle small glass
    Registered Users Posts: 1,721 ✭✭✭Large bottle small glass


    Bot1 wrote: »
    'Conventional' Western medicine is based on the scientific method.

    And its where I'd be going to if I ever had the need, but western medicine doesn't have all the answers.

    Until it has people will reach for anything that they believe "works".

    I worked with a man years ago who had awful back trouble in the 70's. Went to ever medical doctor, physio going, all to no avail.

    As a last resort he went to some bone setter working out of a shed in rural Kerry (I think). There was a large queue which included greyhound and a foal!


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    ED E
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    I'm related to one, unfortunately.

    Run a friggin mile, then jump on the bike and cycle 100 more. A gypsy card reader would be more use to ya.


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    tuxy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,983 ✭✭✭✭tuxy


    Also there's many 7th son of a 7th son these days without the catholic breeding practices.


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    Bot1
    Registered Users Posts: 172 ✭✭Bot1


    Large bottle small glass wrote: »
    And its where I'd be going to if I ever had the need, but western medicine doesn't have all the answers.

    Until it has people will reach for anything that they believe "works".

    I worked with a man years ago who had awful back trouble in the 70's. Went to ever medical doctor, physio going, all to no avail.

    As a last resort he went to some bone setter working out of a shed in rural Kerry (I think). There was a large queue which included greyhound and a foal!

    It's true that it doesn't have all the answers but what it does have is a rigorous system where the aims and incentives are to 'disprove' hypotheses.

    Once you adopt this approach you can't help but move towards the 'truth'.

    The antithesis to this approach, one that is used by religious systems and quackery of all kinds is to assume knowledge and truth and then attack any attempts to question, query or doubt this position.


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    daheff
    Registered Users Posts: 5,839 ✭✭✭daheff


    El Tarangu wrote: »
    Really?

    Which countries?

    Try Canada


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    CramCycle
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    It is like asking why some people call themselves Dieticians and others Nutritionists. The latter maybe good or bad, there is not real way to know, the former is backed up by a regulatory body and the law.

    I know people who have went to Chiropractors who feel awesome afterwards, they usually have to return on a recurring basis, presumably for life, to keep this level of relief going. I certainly don't think they are all unqualified in a global context. I know people who have went to Physios, who have been told is fixing the issue a possibility or not, how long it will take and what they have to do. All who have been told it is fixable and followed the instructions, were fixed, all those who didn't, weren't. All of whom were in bits whether they followed instructions or not, those who followed though recovered, those who didn't, typically just found a level of tolerance.

    Everyone is different, in Ireland I know which I would choose, in other countries, I would be more open to the other side.


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