Antifa [Mod Warning on post #1 - updated 08/08/19]

Outlaw Pete · 24-07-2019 12:15am

Yeah, that would be an apt reply if that's all that I was saying, but it's not.

24-07-2019 12:16am

20Cent wrote:

It's the black guy Obamas fault. Trump is the current president. Is it possible to have a discussion about trump without but but but Obaaaama coming up?

Hahahaha.

20Cent wrote:

Wasn't a fan of him either tbh.

Racist

Tokyo · 24-07-2019 2:32am

Mod: Deleted User - if you can't post something more productive, I'm going to start deleting these one-liners.

MrFresh · 24-07-2019 9:26am

mad muffin wrote: »

It’s an absolute shame. They weren’t too concerned when Obama was building the cages, and deporting millions. He wasn’t called deporter in chief for nothing.

They were actually. There are reports from back there about it too. The reason there weren't as many is because it wasn't on the same scale or for the same reason. Under Obama, the facilities were used as temporary holding for unaccompanied minors.

20Cent · 24-07-2019 10:24am

But they did it too is not an argument. Also one can criticise trump without having to justify everything Obama did. Trump is a grown man and can make his own decisions. He has decided to have people living in unsanitary conditions and separate children from their parents.

mad muffin · 24-07-2019 10:43am

MrFresh wrote: »

They were actually. There

are reports from back there about it too. The reason there weren't as many is because it wasn't on the same scale or for the same reason. Under Obama, the facilities were used as temporary holding for unaccompanied minors.[/QUOTE]

20Cent wrote: »

But they did it too is not an argument. Also one can criticise trump without having to justify everything Obama did. Trump is a grown man and can make his own decisions. He has decided to have people living in unsanitary conditions and separate children from their parents.

This is bull crap and you both know it. Did you even watch the video I posted above?

Obama built the cages. Obama. Deported illegal immigrants at record numbers.

The trump came to power. He wanted to increase ICE’s budget but the democrats refused. Saying there’s no crisis (I’d post a video as evidence but it would probably get deleted as a “dump”)

During today’s hearing, Rep. Gaetz played the audio from a January 9, 2019, CNN interview with Majority Whip Jim Clyburn (D-SC-06). In the interview, Mr. Clyburn was asked: “Is there a humanitarian crisis on the southern border?” Mr. Clyburn responded with a dismissive chuckle, and stated “absolutely not.”

Earlier this year, President Donald Trump and the Department of Homeland Security both insisted that a humanitarian crisis on the southern border existed, and that resources were needed to address it. Republicans in Congress, including Rep. Gaetz, were eager to pass legislation to address the crisis. Unfortunately, Democrats denied that a crisis even existed.

https://gaetz.house.gov/media/press-releases/congressman-matt-gaetz-calls-out-democrats-judiciary-committee-playing-back

20Cent · 24-07-2019 11:41am

mad muffin wrote: »

are reports from back there about it too. The reason there weren't as many is because it wasn't on the same scale or for the same reason. Under Obama, the facilities were used as temporary holding for unaccompanied minors.

This is bull crap and you both know it. Did you even watch the video I posted above?

Obama built the cages. Obama. Deported illegal immigrants at record numbers.

The trump came to power. He wanted to increase ICE’s budget but the democrats refused. Saying there’s no crisis [/QUOTE]

At least you acknowledge the treatment of immigrants at the border is a crisis. Sure is shameful, keeping people with no soap or toothpaste or blankets. Kids seperated from parents.
Trump wants money for more ice raids and deportations not to make life better for those incarcerated. That's what the democratic party are blocking. Also the stupid wall.
Trumps lawyers arguing with a judge that basic hygiene facilities are not needed is disgusting. Even the judges are horrified by it. There is more than enough money to provide humane conditions it's just they choose not to.

MrFresh · 24-07-2019 12:09pm

mad muffin wrote: »

This is bull crap and you both know it. Did you even watch the video I posted above?

Obama built the cages. Obama. Deported illegal immigrants at record numbers.

The trump came to power. He wanted to increase ICE’s budget but the democrats refused. Saying there’s no crisis (I’d post a video as evidence but it would probably get deleted as a “dump”)

https://gaetz.house.gov/media/press-releases/congressman-matt-gaetz-calls-out-democrats-judiciary-committee-playing-back

Again you miss the issue. It doesn't matter who built the cages. It matters what they are used for. It doesn't matter who deported more people, it matters how the deportations were committed and how the people were treated during their time in the care of the state. The Dems didn't aprove the funding because A, they believed any crisis was of Trump's own making and B, he wouldn't put the funds where they were supposed to go. Two very reasonable concerns. He has, after all, told about 10,000 lies since getting into office.

snowblind · 24-07-2019 6:46pm

This seems to happen every week now...
Teens Sought For Multiple BC Murders Have Far-Right Links: Report

Those are the fa to antifa. And some say Antifa are worse than all these terrorists who have been killing people recently. What does it say about these people?

snowblind · 24-07-2019 6:50pm

MrFresh wrote: »

Again you miss the issue. It doesn't matter who built the cages. It matters what they are used for. It doesn't matter who deported more people, it matters how the deportations were committed and how the people were treated during their time in the care of the state. The Dems didn't aprove the funding because A, they believed any crisis was of Trump's own making and B, he wouldn't put the funds where they were supposed to go. Two very reasonable concerns. He has, after all, told about 10,000 lies since getting into office.

Yep! Obama was bad, Trump is the worst. Whataboutism can end there.

The centers currently are concentration camps. People who have long lived in the US are dragged from work, home, wherever. Reports of rape, sexual harrassment and deaths. This is quite different from Obama era.

It's obvious that the alt right troll army here doesn't care about that all, so Ill ignore your "lol" oneliners, y'all could do with some empathy and literacy training.

notobtuse · 24-07-2019 7:29pm

snowblind wrote: »

This seems to happen every week now...
Teens Sought For Multiple BC Murders Have Far-Right Links: Report

Those are the fa to antifa. And some say Antifa are worse than all these terrorists who have been killing people recently. What does it say about these people?

Regarding your link... did this happen in CANADA?

Odhinn · 24-07-2019 7:30pm

notobtuse wrote: »

Regarding your link... did this happen in CANADA?

Yep.

snowblind · 24-07-2019 7:34pm

This thread isn't just about the USA, nice try to deflect tho

snowblind · 24-07-2019 7:38pm

Immigrant Detention Conditions Were Atrocious Under Obama. Here’s Why They’re So Much Worse Under Trump.

The alt right trolls will just say "lol slate.com" and continue sharing FOX News clips, but if anyone else wants to know what has changed with the detention/concentration centers in Trump times, here's an intro

And a reminder that we don't need y'all to invoke Godwins law here

https://twitter.com/sfmnemonic/status/1141125878874877953

snowblind · 24-07-2019 7:53pm

https://twitter.com/HeerJeet/status/1143236603378196480

_blaaz · 24-07-2019 9:34pm

snowblind wrote: »

Immigrant Detention Conditions Were Atrocious Under Obama. Here’s Why They’re So Much Worse Under Trump.

The alt right trolls will just say "lol slate.com" and continue sharing FOX News clips, but if anyone else wants to know what has changed with the detention/concentration centers in Trump times, here's an intro

And a reminder that we don't need y'all to invoke Godwins law here

https://twitter.com/sfmnemonic/status/1141125878874877953

I find it bizzare that they claim obama opening camps makes it ok to continue them??

2 wrongs dont make.a right

JohnMc1 · 24-07-2019 9:37pm

snowblind wrote: »

Yep! Obama was bad, Trump is the worst. Whataboutism can end there.

The centers currently are concentration camps. People who have long lived in the US are dragged from work, home, wherever. Reports of rape, sexual harrassment and deaths. This is quite different from Obama era.

It's obvious that the alt right troll army here doesn't care about that all, so Ill ignore your "lol" oneliners, y'all could do with some empathy and literacy training.

They can leave and return home whenever they feel like it. Thus they are not Concentration camps.

lawlolawl · 24-07-2019 9:56pm

Remind me again why we are supposed to feel bad for people who are illegally entering/residing in a country?

_blaaz · 24-07-2019 10:03pm

lawlolawl wrote: »

Remind me again why we are supposed to feel bad for people who are illegally entering/residing in a country?

Because they still humans??

In no world is these concentration camps right way to.sort this issue.....to support them.is trampling roughshod over civil liberties and no country be it saudi arabia or america shouldnt be above reproach as regards civil liberties

If you support trampling over civil liberties for anyone,you support trampling over them.for everyone imo

lawlolawl · 24-07-2019 10:10pm

_blaaz wrote: »

Because they still humans??

In no world is these concentration camps right way to.sort this issue.....to support them.is trampling roughshod over civil liberties and no country be it saudi arabia or america shouldnt be above reproach as regards civil liberties

If you support trampling over civil liberties for anyone,you support trampling over them.for everyone imo

Don't you have to be a legal citizen of a country to avail of civil liberties?

_blaaz · 24-07-2019 10:12pm

lawlolawl wrote: »

Don't you have to be a legal citizen of a country to avail of civil liberties?

No imo
As i said if you support removing civil libertirs for anyone (which your welcome to.do so),you support removing for all.....kinda like the free speech for bigots thingy

They apply to everyone (as deos law btw),just theres a better way of soŕting this immigration issue without setting up concentration camps

Sweetemotion · 24-07-2019 10:23pm

_blaaz wrote: »

I find it bizzare that they claim obama opening camps makes it ok to continue them??

2 wrongs dont make.a right

What else could be done?

The DHS has been asking for funds for the crisis at the border, only to be told what crisis?

For months we were watching on the news about a caravan arriving from central America only for the likes of Don Lemon on CNN and other MSM to say it's just a manufactured crisis from Trump looking for money to build his wall.

The caravan hits and boom. There suddenly is a crisis and the blame is put on those who were asking for extra funding to stop this from happening.

lawlolawl · 24-07-2019 10:31pm

_blaaz wrote: »

just theres a better way of soŕting this immigration issue without setting up concentration camps

Go on so. What is it?

How should the US deal with these illegal immigrants?

What's the "better way" of dealing with these criminals?

mad muffin · 24-07-2019 10:31pm

Calling the detention camps, concentration camps is the norm now?

lawlolawl · 24-07-2019 10:32pm

mad muffin wrote: »

Calling the detention camps, concentration camps is the norm now?

"Everyone who disagrees with me is a Nazi!"

_blaaz · 24-07-2019 10:33pm

Sweetemotion wrote: »

What else could be done?

The DHS has been asking for funds for the crisis at the border, only to be told what crisis?

For months we were watching on the news about a caravan arriving from central America only for the likes of Don Lemon on CNN and other MSM to say it's just a manufactured crisis from Trump looking for money to build his wall.

The caravan hits and boom. There suddenly is a crisis and the blame is put on those who were asking for extra funding to stop this from happening.

Idk what else can be done,dont know or care enough about immigration into america,here to chat sh1te mainly(in reality imo it need the oz type enticements for immigrants to move to rural areas)...

but the fact that they have to resort to concentration camps is a disgraceful indictment on american policy and no country should be allowed trample civil.liberties the way,

They are a joke theyve left it come.to this and shows complete lack.of leadership.and accountability,that no body is stepping up with a plan to sort it.....they went to war in middle east to bring democracy,what country aspires to be like america or have there style of democracy now?

mad muffin · 24-07-2019 10:34pm

lawlolawl wrote: »

Go on so. What is it?

How should the US deal with these illegal immigrants?

What's the "better way" of dealing with these criminals?

I can tell you right now.

Don’t have the opposition party calling on all and sundry.

_blaaz · 24-07-2019 10:35pm

lawlolawl wrote: »

What's the "better way" of dealing with these criminals?

As ive said i dont know....but i know a clusterfcuk when i see one and a whole rake of people need sacking for let it get so bad that people are thinking concentration camps are going ro be a sucess

_blaaz · 24-07-2019 10:37pm

mad muffin wrote: »

Calling the detention camps, concentration camps is the norm now?

To be clear its the differnece between potatoe and spud (or calling torture,inhanced interrogation methods)......same thing in reality?

Theyve been around since the boer war and werent a sucess then,im.failing to see how they will be now??

mad muffin · 24-07-2019 10:37pm

lawlolawl wrote: »

"Everyone who disagrees with me is a Nazi!"

Everything is, Nazis, racists, bigots, whites supremacist, white privilege. That’s the democrats playbook now, since they lost power.

lawlolawl · 24-07-2019 10:39pm

_blaaz wrote: »

As ive said i dont know....but i know a clusterfcuk when i see one and a whole rake of people need sacking for let it get so bad that people are thinking concentration camps are going ro be a sucess

So, the usual woke idiocy of complaining about something being a disgrace without even having a vague outline of what you'd do to make the situation better?

Good man. Keep championing the cause of criminals just because other people on twitter are telling you that it is a bad thing that you should be real mad about.

_blaaz · 24-07-2019 10:42pm

lawlolawl wrote: »

So, the usual woke idiocy of complaining about something being a disgrace without even having a vague outline of what you'd do to make the situation better?

Good man. Keep championing the cause of criminals just because other people on twitter are telling you that it is a bad thing that you should be real mad about.

Dont use twitter mate??....but keep hurling abuse in favour of actually critisng anyone for trampleing all over civil rights

But surely any sembelence of cop on,would tell yous that this is a terrible idea and will haunt american policy for generations....any despot in any country can do anything and america will be in no position to critise them?

Sweetemotion · 24-07-2019 10:48pm

_blaaz wrote: »

but the fact that they have to resort to concentration camps

Concentration camps are synonymous with the holocaust and trying to link these detention centers with that is just shameful and dishonest.

_blaaz · 24-07-2019 10:51pm

Sweetemotion wrote: »

Concentration camps are synonymous with the holocaust and trying to link these detention centers with that is just shameful and dishonest.

Theyve been around since at least boer war times??

Anyone who thinks they are only since ww2 times are patehically informed history and tbh should read a few history books......the british invented em afaik.....yous can rest assure it is not linking em to the holocost(we have had our own holocost by hunger here,so i dont mess around about that)

Sweetemotion · 24-07-2019 10:55pm

20Cent wrote: »

When the president behaves like this it sets a very ugly tone.

Black US lawmaker says white man told her to ‘go back where you came from’

State representative Erica Thomas says she was verbally attacked in supermarket while shopping with her nine-year-old daughter

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jul/19/black-us-lawmaker-verbal-attack-georgia-go-back

How's that one working out? :pac:

snowblind · 24-07-2019 10:59pm

lawlolawl wrote: »

"Everyone who disagrees with me is a Nazi!"

again, no need to invoke godwins law, godwin himself agrees they are concentration camps

snowblind · 24-07-2019 11:00pm

mad muffin wrote: »

Everything is, Nazis, racists, bigots, whites supremacist, white privilege. That’s the democrats playbook now, since they lost power.

Are you some american troll? Complaining about democrats all the time, so weird. I hate the democrats too, but I hate white supremacists much more than them. And apologists like you.

White supremacy is on the rise. If you haven't read about it, you must only consume FOX and Breitbart.

_blaaz · 24-07-2019 11:01pm

snowblind wrote: »

again, no need to invoke godwins law, godwin himself agrees they are concentration camps

Is that genuinely the lad who invented goodwins law?

lawlolawl · 24-07-2019 11:03pm

Sweetemotion wrote: »

How's that one working out? :pac:

The audio of the most recent interview with her is hilarious.

She completely backpedals and just basically mumbles that it didn't happen the way she claimed it did initially.

All this happened because the guy in question didn't let himself be misrepresented as a racist. She acted like an arsehole and he called her on it so she immediately played the race card.

The classic double down.

Sweetemotion · 24-07-2019 11:03pm

_blaaz wrote: »

Theyve been around since at least boer war times??

Anyone who thinks they are only since ww2 times are patehically informed history and tbh should read a few history books......the british invented em afaik.....yous can rest assure it is not linking em to the holocost(we have had our own holocost by hunger here,so i dont mess around about that)

They could have been around since cave men in cave 10 were locking up cave men in cave 12, it doesn't matter.

Everyone knows what they are synonymous with at this time.

snowblind · 24-07-2019 11:04pm

"why do people talk about the biggest terrorism threat in the western world?"

Remember Breivik?

Watch any news?

FBI's Wray says most domestic terrorism arrests this year involve white supremacy

So. Are we allowed to use those terms when applicable? Oh wait, I'm not gonna ask a troll for an opinion. Readers can make their own minds up.

snowblind · 24-07-2019 11:04pm

_blaaz wrote: »

Is that genuinely the lad who invented goodwins law?

Yes.

snowblind · 24-07-2019 11:15pm

Attacks by White Extremists Are
Growing. So Are Their Connections.

A history of recent attacks linked to white supremacy

U.S. sees steady rise in violence by white supremacists

To relate back to the topic of the thread - can't find anything about terrorist attacks or killing by Antifa. It's as if Antifa were right to oppose extremist nationalists and the furor about them is just white supremacists being afraid of their ideas being challenged anywhere they go.

mad muffin · 24-07-2019 11:17pm

snowblind wrote: »

Are you some american troll? Complaining about democrats all the time, so weird. I hate the democrats too, but I hate white supremacists much more than them. And apologists like you.

White supremacy is on the rise. If you haven't read about it, you must only consume FOX and Breitbart.

Here we go… the leftist liberal mantra. If you’re not with me, you’re against me.

snowblind · 24-07-2019 11:25pm

mad muffin wrote: »

Here we go… the leftist liberal mantra. If you’re not with me, you’re against me.

Oh yes, your posting is so carefully considered and non partisan :pac:

Just one liner attacks, no sources, attacking anyone who disagrees with you, strawmanning, gaslighting and whatabouting with no actual arguments. Yadda yadda "has to be democrat, therefore don't care" etc. No self awareness, but we can all read your posts

mad muffin · 24-07-2019 11:29pm

Hi

snowblind wrote: »

Oh yes, your posting is so carefully considered and non partisan :pac:

Just one liner attacks, no sources, attacking anyone who disagrees with you, strawmanning, gaslighting and whatabouting with no actual arguments. Yadda yadda "has to be democrat, therefore don't care" etc. No self awareness, but we can all read your posts

No you can’t read all my post because they’ve either been deleted or edited. I’ve posted much evidence of liberal leftist

But you go ahead. You name call. Deride. Ridicule anyone that doesn’t follow your agenda.

Call them racist. Call them nazi. Call them inhuman. Whatever.

I know the hypocrisy that is the Democratic Party.

pjohnson · 24-07-2019 11:31pm

mad muffin wrote: »

No you can’t read all my post because they’ve either been deleted or edited. I’ve posted much evidence of liberal leftist lunacy.

Its all a conspiracy eh?

20Cent · 25-07-2019 12:17am

snowblind wrote: »

Attacks by White Extremists Are
Growing. So Are Their Connections.

A history of recent attacks linked to white supremacy

U.S. sees steady rise in violence by white supremacists

To relate back to the topic of the thread - can't find anything about terrorist attacks or killing by Antifa. It's as if Antifa were right to oppose extremist nationalists and the furor about them is just white supremacists being afraid of their ideas being challenged anywhere they go.

Nail on head.
White supremacists don't like being challenged
The far right with the help of useful idiot "journalists " are trying to turn the attention away from their crimes by making antifa out to be a bigger threat.

Outlaw Pete · 25-07-2019 5:57am

snowblind wrote: »

Attacks by White Extremists Are
Growing. So Are Their Connections.

A history of recent attacks linked to white supremacy

U.S. sees steady rise in violence by white supremacists

To relate back to the topic of the thread - can't find anything about terrorist attacks or killing by Antifa. It's as if Antifa were right to oppose extremist nationalists and the furor about them is just white supremacists being afraid of their ideas being challenged anywhere they go.

Again: it's not a competition. You can be against all extremist violence. Well, some people can.

MrFresh · 25-07-2019 6:31am

JohnMc1 wrote: »

They can leave and return home whenever they feel like it. Thus they are not Concentration camps.

Who can? The parents are being prosecuted and the children are minors.

lawlolawl wrote: »

Remind me again why we are supposed to feel bad for people who are illegally entering/residing in a country?

Empathy?

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