RTE Investigates programme on greyhound racing industry

gozunda · 24-07-2019 1:04am

klaaaz wrote: »

So no comment from the pro-racers to the former head of the IGB Paschal Taggart supporting the massacre of thousands of greyhound dogs who are not fast enough. Sums up that they treat those dogs are money commodities to be gambled on without love of the welfare of the dog rather than as pets. Basically no empathy to the canines.

Well to be fair reading that animal rights group Facebook post - it appears that at least some of what he is alleged to have said is being paraphrased.

It might be better to provide an impartial account of that interview tbh.

Loaded language like 'massacred' is also belied by what he allegedly says that euthanasia should be carried out properly etc.

Thousands of pets dogs are also euthanized (massacred?) every year for many different reasons - not all of them because a dog is sick or otherwise. No 'empathy to the canines' there?

I would also suggest his alleged views or opinions are not necessarily shared by greyhound owners or those who support greyhound racing.

Plus he is now as you say the 'former head' of the IGB ...

klaaaz · 24-07-2019 1:24am

gozunda wrote: »

Well to be fair reading that animal rights group Facebook post - it appears that at least some of what he is alleged to have said is being paraphrased.

It might be better to provide an impartial account of that interview tbh.

Loaded language like 'massacred' is also belied by what he allegedly says that euthanasia should be carried out properly etc.

Thousands of pets dogs are also euthanized (massacred?) every year for many different reasons - not all of them because a dog is sick or otherwise. No 'empathy to the canines' there?

I would also suggest his alleged views or opinions are not necessarily shared by greyhound owners or those who support greyhound racing.

Plus he is now as you say the 'former head' of the IGB ...

He said it on radio, how impartial do you want it to be, try censorship or ??

Thousands of greyhounds are indeed massacred for being too slow every year as per your former leader of the IGB stated and supported.

As per your wishful thinking of his views on massacring greyhounds not shared by greyhound owners, those very same owners have sent their losing greyhounds to the knackery to be shot for losing races, they still dump them and the lucky ones are picked up by rescues, the rescues themselves are overwhelmed by losing dogs with many near death and starved on arrival and some dogs have been sold by owners to Pakistan/China to a horrific death!!

Just like on the racing tracks, 500 plus dead dogs since 2015. The first option on the owners list is to kill dogs rather than rehabilitate like emphatic human beings do. Gambling is a genocidal killer to greyhounds.

gozunda · 24-07-2019 1:33am

klaaaz wrote: »

He said it on radio, how impartial do you want it to be, try censorship or ??Thousands of greyhounds are indeed massacred for being too slow every year as per your former leader of the IGB stated and supported. As per your wishful thinking of his views on massacring greyhounds not shared by greyhound owners, those very same owners have sent their losing greyhounds to the knackery to be shot for losing races, they still dump them and the lucky ones are picked up by rescues, the rescues themselves are overwhelmed by losing dogs with many near death and starved on arrival and some dogs have been sold by owners to Pakistan/China to a horrific death!! ust like on the racing tracks, 500 plus dead dogs since 2015. The first option on the owners list is to kill dogs rather than rehabilitate like emphatic human beings do. Gambling is a genocidal killer to greyhounds.

You asked for an opinion - and now you criticise me for giving one?

Tbh that's not a radio intetview recording. It's an account of an interview by an animal rights group.

The former chairman is not my "former leader" (sic)

The rest is a complete rant and not worth replying to tbh with the exception that certainly in my experience you cannot tar all greyhound owners because one person may have gave an opinion. And that the former chairman advocates proper euthanasia.

As per your use of emotive language - can we say you now accept that pets dogs are being "massacred" in their thousands every year and that also warrents investigation?

klaaaz · 24-07-2019 1:39am

gozunda wrote: »

You asked for an opinion - and now you criticise me for giving one?

Tbh that's not a radio intetview recording. It's an account of an interview by an animal rights group

The former chairman is not my "former leader" (sic)

The rest is a complete rant and not worth replying to tbh with the exception that certainly in my experience you cannot tar all greyhound owners because one person may have gave an opinion.

You disputed the recording of your leaders support on radio of the mass killing of greyhounds for being too slow. Corks 96FM ain't an animal rights group, it's a mainstream radio station ffs!

Oh yes, treat the mass genocide of 6000 plus greyhounds a year and the 500 dogs killed at dog tracks since 2015 as a "rant" when it's the truth, in fact some rescues reckon the true genocide of greyhounds is 10,000 a year!

gozunda · 24-07-2019 2:00am

klaaaz wrote: »

You disputed the recording of your leaders support on radio of the mass killing of greyhounds for being too slow. Corks 96FM ain't an animal rights group, it's a mainstream radio station ffs!Oh yes, treat the mass genocide of 6000 plus greyhounds a year and the 500 dogs killed at dog tracks since 2015 as a "rant" when it's the truth, in fact some rescues reckon the true genocide of greyhounds is 10,000 a year!

Hyperbole there again klaaz? Not my 'leader'. Disputed nothing except pointed out the obvious with that link. If you can't understand that - I'm not sure there's much point in tying to discuss anything further tbh.

In my experience it's not possible to tar all greyhound owners as the same and disingenuous to suggest somehow it's only greyhounds being euthanized.

Btw I have absolutely no involvement with greyhounds whatsoever.

Discodog · 24-07-2019 7:43am

klaaaz wrote: »

You disputed the recording of your leaders support on radio of the mass killing of greyhounds for being too slow. Corks 96FM ain't an animal rights group, it's a mainstream radio station ffs!

Oh yes, treat the mass genocide of 6000 plus greyhounds a year and the 500 dogs killed at dog tracks since 2015 as a "rant" when it's the truth, in fact some rescues reckon the true genocide of greyhounds is 10,000 a year!

Welcome to the world of the Greyhound Industry. If you think that thousands of Greyhounds die then you are an "Anti". This means that you have no knowledge, no experience, no right to express a view, a "townie" & probably an extremist.

The RTE program reinvigorated the opposition & has bought in more supporters but the Greyhound Industry will close ranks & deny everything. If there are "good owners" they will stay silent & tow the company line.

This battle has been going on for decades. The Racing & Coursing community will fight every attempt to interfere with their, so called, sport. They are the extremists & most of them think that the death of thousands of dogs is acceptable. Their views are now the extreme as the majority find cruelty abhorrent.

24-07-2019 8:21am

Discodog wrote: »

Totally untrue. A Greyhound is a breed & remains a Greyhound irrespective of whether it's registered or not.

A Lurcher is a cross breed of a Greyhound.

Discodog wrote: »

There is nothing to stop someone lying

Can an unregistered greyhound race?

Why would a stud keeper or control steward risk their livelihoods by falsifying dates?

Out of curiosity, at what age do you think a greyhounds potential becomes apparent? 14 days, when the litter has to be registered? 12 weeks when it has to be earmarked and microchipped? 12 months when it’s named?
Next time you’re at the dogs with your vet friend, get them to educate you as to the regulations regarding breeding greyhounds.

Choc Chip · 24-07-2019 8:46am

Deleted User wrote: »

Fair play- it's this type of effort that will gain results.

BTW- i don't want to see a cessation of greyhound racing- I want to see a reform of the sport- but if that means a phoenix rise, loss of so called "jobs", then so be it.

What's their email address?

There are a few options on their website: https://irishcoursingclub.ie/contact/

Discodog · 24-07-2019 10:12am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Can an unregistered greyhound race?

Why would a stud keeper or control steward risk their livelihoods by falsifying dates?

Out of curiosity, at what age do you think a greyhounds potential becomes apparent? 14 days, when the litter has to be registered? 12 weeks when it has to be earmarked and microchipped? 12 months when it’s named?
Next time you’re at the dogs with your vet friend, get them to educate you as to the regulations regarding breeding greyhounds.

Breeders will take risks because history shows that there's little likelihood of consequences.

The IGB/ICC have always distanced themselves from all the poor Greyhounds that aren't registered. They blindly claim that these dogs are nothing to do with them.

24-07-2019 10:34am

Discodog wrote: »

Breeders will take risks because history shows that there's little likelihood of consequences.

The IGB/ICC have always distanced themselves from all the poor Greyhounds that aren't registered. They blindly claim that these dogs are nothing to do with them.

If they’re not registered, then they have nothing to do with IGB/ICC. Can you enlighten us as to the merits of NOT registering their pups? The penalties are pretty high. NO stud keeper or control steward are going to risk their living by falsifying paperwork. Unregistered pups cannot race, course or be bred from so are of no value. Why would one spend thousands of Euro mating, vaccinating, feeding a brood only for the pups to be not eligible for racing?

Again, I will ask at what age do you think a pups ability becomes known?

klaaaz · 24-07-2019 10:39am

gozunda wrote: »

In my experience it's not possible to tar all greyhound owners as the same and disingenuous to suggest somehow it's only greyhounds being euthanized.

Around 7,000 greyhound owners, 6000 plus greyhounds slaughtered a year for being too slow and 500 dead dogs at the request of greyhound owners on dog tracks since 2015, and then the exports of Irish greyhounds sold to the hellholes of China & Pakistan, that's a majority of greyhound owners who are despicable.

24-07-2019 10:45am

This is a very interesting insight into the fortunes of the anti greyhound lobby in the USA. Some of whom are leading the protests here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkEDKGb50PE

klaaaz · 24-07-2019 10:52am

Deleted User wrote: »

This is a very interesting insight into the fortunes of the anti greyhound lobby in the USA. Some of whom are leading the protests here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkEDKGb50PE

Another loo-la conspiracy, so the Americans are behind the protests? You do come out with some gems alright, comedy gold!

Discodog · 24-07-2019 11:17am

klaaaz wrote: »

Another loo-la conspiracy, so the Americans are behind the protests? You do come out with some gems alright, comedy gold!

It's so predictable. Look at the Countryside Alliance campaign to keep fox hunting in the UK. Exactly the same arguments.

Many of these extreme pro hunting, coursing & racing people are now focused on Ireland. They visit here to continue practicing the cruel "sports" that were banned in the UK.

Discodog · 24-07-2019 11:19am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

If they’re not registered, then they have nothing to do with IGB/ICC. Can you enlighten us as to the merits of NOT registering their pups? The penalties are pretty high. NO stud keeper or control steward are going to risk their living by falsifying paperwork. Unregistered pups cannot race, course or be bred from so are of no value. Why would one spend thousands of Euro mating, vaccinating, feeding a brood only for the pups to be not eligible for racing?

Again, I will ask at what age do you think a pups ability becomes known?

How many of the 6000 are registered?

24-07-2019 11:24am

Discodog wrote: »

How many of the 6000 are registered?

If they weren’t registered, how would they know that they were unaccounted for??

jackboy · 24-07-2019 11:36am

klaaaz wrote: »

Around 7,000 greyhound owners, 6000 plus greyhounds slaughtered a year for being too slow and 500 dead dogs at the request of greyhound owners on dog tracks since 2015, and then the exports of Irish greyhounds sold to the hellholes of China & Pakistan, that's a majority of greyhound owners who are despicable.

First of all your linking the numbers to the majority of greyhound owners is invalid.

Second, saying the majority of greyhound owners are despicable is just abusing strangers on the internet.

If every aspect of your life (or anyone elses) was examined it would be easy to link you to something where it is just as valid to call you despicable. Of course this, along with your own comment, is generally not considered valid in a debate.

xckjoo · 24-07-2019 12:15pm

jackboy wrote: »

No poster on this thread has insisted everything is fine.

Wish that that was true mate but a quick search threw up these posts that are very much in the line of "it's fine" or "it's about to be so butt out of our business". To me that amounts to the same thing. "It's fine and none of your business". How long do we have to wait for things to be fixed? It seems to be forever around the corner. Might be a different issue if there wasn't so much state money going into the sport, but there is so we all get a say. Can't just take the cash and then throw a tantrum when some accountability is demanded. I'm in favour of reform but I don't trust it's going to be implemented based on past experiences.

Deleted User wrote: »

IGB were sponsoring the Rose of Tralee. Not the other way round. Daithi was getting serious abuse online as were some of the roses. Not from the greyhound racing fraternity, I hasten to add.

For the record, once again, the figure of 6,000 unaccounted for doesn’t mean killed. At the time of the report, I had 3 retired greyhounds which would have been classed as unaccounted. Simply because there was no mechanism for me to report them as retired and still in my possession. I’m only one of thousands of small time owners who would have had at least one retired greyhound. Thankfully that’s now changed.
The only true fact to come from that very one sided program was the killing of greyhounds in knackeries. Everything else was of a historical nature with absolutely no proof, or was from another country and not even greyhounds.

Deleted User wrote: »

Then read what the report actually says and why it was carried out. Then educate yourself on coursing and what would happen to the hare if it was banned. No more innoculating, wormed etc.
What you saw in the program was historical stuff. Illegal stuff that is being clamped down on.
It was great to see those illegal courses named and shamed. I hope that they are banned for life from every track and coursing field in the country.

(sorry Maryanne, not trying to pick on you but it was the first stuff that came up when I searched)

CiarraiAbu2 · 24-07-2019 12:35pm

klaaaz wrote: »

Around 7,000 greyhound owners, 6000 plus greyhounds slaughtered a year for being too slow and 500 dead dogs at the request of greyhound owners on dog tracks since 2015, and then the exports of Irish greyhounds sold to the hellholes of China & Pakistan, that's a majority of greyhound owners who are despicable.

Will you please cop on.

CiarraiAbu2 · 24-07-2019 12:36pm

Discodog wrote: »

How many of the 6000 are registered?

You lost this argument when you said that once their was a market for their meat than everything was ok.

CiarraiAbu2 · 24-07-2019 12:38pm

This thread is going no where, there is no way we will ever agree, the problem is that ye want it banned and it doesn't matter what improvements are made it will never satisfy ye.

xckjoo · 24-07-2019 12:46pm

CiarraiAbu2 wrote: »

This thread is going no where, there is no way we will ever agree, the problem is that ye want it banned and it doesn't matter what improvements are made it will never satisfy ye.

Personally I'd like to see it reformed but (as I've said about 100 times already), I'm only getting a closed ranks and nobody else business impression of the industry. The posters here and IGB's insistence that the report they commissioned was wrong because they didn't like what it said are the primary reasons for this impression.

Discodog · 24-07-2019 12:47pm

CiarraiAbu2 wrote: »

You lost this argument when you said that once their was a market for their meat than everything was ok.

Where did I say that?

Discodog · 24-07-2019 12:50pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

If they weren’t registered, how would they know that they were unaccounted for??

So they were registered & on a database somewhere.

24-07-2019 1:10pm

CiarraiAbu2 wrote: »

This thread is going no where, there is no way we will ever agree, the problem is that ye want it banned and it doesn't matter what improvements are made it will never satisfy ye.

I disagree. It’s showing the level of ignorance of those wanting to ban greyhound racing. They are making no effort to understand the rules and regulations surrounding it. The don’t want to see the improvement made in traceability, welfare and rehoming.

Discodog wrote: »

So they were registered & on a database somewhere.

So, you now acknowledge that all pups are registered. Thanks.

xckjoo · 24-07-2019 1:32pm

xckjoo wrote: »

<snip>
Can the IGB/ICC not enforce their own requirements for entering competitions? I.e the dog can't race unless the owners has all paperwork up to date which includes info on things like retired dogs from same kennel. I might be missing something with that though. Not familiar with that side of the sport

I don't think anyone has answered this question for me. Is there some reason IGB/ICC couldn't enforce their own requirements for dogs/trainers entered into races/coursing? Why do they have to wait for new legislation to be passed before they can enforce things?

gozunda · 24-07-2019 2:34pm

klaaaz wrote: »

Around 7,000 greyhound owners, 6000 plus greyhounds slaughtered a year for being too slow and 500 dead dogs at the request of greyhound owners on dog tracks since 2015, and then the exports of Irish greyhounds sold to the hellholes of China & Pakistan, that's a majority of greyhound owners who are despicable.

No one knows how many were euthanized, exported, sold as non racing dogs or otherwise. But you keep repeating the same exact stuff abour "slaughter" (sic) again and again and again and so on ad infinitum without any proper backup to your claims.

And afaik the numbers are under dispute as well. All of this has been gone over several times in the thread already - you must have missed it and all the other discussion.

No one had denied there are issues and there have been some very good suggestions in this thread on improving breeding and tracking greyhound movements.

But go ahead keep throwing the same ****e and calling a large group of people you have never met and wouldn't know from adam - 'dispicable' 'scum' 'vile' and similar because for some strange reason you know better than everyone else.

jackboy · 24-07-2019 2:48pm

xckjoo wrote: »

Wish that that was true mate but a quick search threw up these posts that are very much in the line of "it's fine" or "it's about to be so butt out of our business". To me that amounts to the same thing. "It's fine and none of your business".

It can look like that by picking out individual posts but nobody has said everything is fine.

The documentary has been criticised and rightly so in my opinion (as it did portray historical issues as current and include emotionally manipulative videos from other countries).

Criticising the documentary is different to saying everything is fine in the greyhound industry. There seems to be widespread agreement that there is over breeding and the stuff going on in knackerys is unacceptable. There has been plenty of suggestions in the thread on how to improve things, but posters will respond to perceived or real inaccuracies.

klaaaz · 24-07-2019 2:53pm

An excellent piece from Greyhound Action Ireland
https://www.longfordleader.ie/news/features/431909/letter-to-the-editor-irish-greyhound-board-shedding-crocodile-tears.html?fbclid=IwAR2IYKSNs80C-XeCErWHeJZnAbLOxHjaCbL-rhWGvz9mH6KTpakWRRpRd7o

The Irish Greyhound Board’s endless expressions of shock in the weeks since Prime Time Investigates exposed the horrific abuse and mass killing inflicted on animals by this industry is disingenuous in the extreme. They could have done the maths on their fingers.

The latest statistics to hand show the following: every year 16-20,000 greyhounds born, 9,000 taken out of racing, 5,000 raced here, 5,000 exported to the UK, maximum 1,500 rehomed. A greyhound’s lifespan is 12-13 years. Its racing career ends at the age of 3 or 4. Fairly basic maths!

Do they expect us to believe they didn’t read the report they commissioned themselves in 2017, which came up with the very conservative estimate of 6,000 healthy dogs killed each year? A report which they refused to release to the Department of Agriculture, and which they’d still be sitting on if the Prime Time team hadn’t got their hands on it.

Was the current chairman of the IGB not listening to his predecessor Paschal Taggart in 2017 when, in a radio interview, the latter stated that greyhound racing can’t exist without the killing of thousands of perfectly healthy dogs every year?

And that this was a fact of life he, Mr Taggart had no problem with. The slaughter of thousands of healthy dogs annually isn’t the actions of a rogue minority, as the IGB would have us believe.

It is an inescapable fact of greyhound racing. The IGB were horrified by the recent RTE broadcast alright. But it wasn’t because they learned anything new about what goes on in the industry they preside over.

They were shocked because their horrifying secrets were final laid bare for the Irish tax payer to see.

24-07-2019 2:57pm

klaaaz wrote: »

An excellent piece from Greyhound Action Ireland
https://www.longfordleader.ie/news/features/431909/letter-to-the-editor-irish-greyhound-board-shedding-crocodile-tears.html?fbclid=IwAR2IYKSNs80C-XeCErWHeJZnAbLOxHjaCbL-rhWGvz9mH6KTpakWRRpRd7o

Greyhound Action Ireland. A lovely name. What action are they involved with? Certainly not the rehoming of greyhounds. More likely their abolition.

xckjoo · 24-07-2019 3:24pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Greyhound Action Ireland. A lovely name. What action are they involved with? Certainly not the rehoming of greyhounds. More likely their abolition.

Your phrasing seems to imply "greyhounds" don't exist outside the greyhound racing industry. Not for the first time either. Greyhound is a breed of dog, not a racing participant. They were around long before and will be around long after the IGB/ICC.

And if you had looked up Greyhound Action Ireland you'd see the following:
So looks like they're fairly into the rehoming of greyhounds alright.

gozunda · 24-07-2019 3:24pm

klaaaz wrote: »

An excellent piece from Greyhound Action Ireland
https://www.longfordleader.ie/news/features/431909/letter-to-the-editor-irish-greyhound-board-shedding-crocodile-tears.html?fbclid=IwAR2IYKSNs80C-XeCErWHeJZnAbLOxHjaCbL-rhWGvz9mH6KTpakWRRpRd7o

'Excellent'? 'They seem to be completely ignoring the fact that the figures they are using to trash all greyhound owners are strongly disputed. From previous:

In a statement to RTÉ Investigates, the IGB said despite the report "the level of greyhound euthanasia is unknown".

It said the analysis of the dog pool carried out by Preferred Results Ltd, "did not accord with what was clearly visible in the industry at the time the report was presented to the IGB in late September 2017".

It said in respect of greyhound deaths that "all figures referenced in media and elsewhere from a variety of different sources - including the Preferred Results Report - are based on guesstimates/estimates and have no evidence base".

24-07-2019 3:29pm

xckjoo wrote: »

Your phrasing seems to imply "greyhounds" don't exist outside the greyhound racing industry. Not for the first time either. Greyhound is a breed of dog, not a racing participant. They were around long before and will be around long after the IGB/ICC.

And if you had looked up Greyhound Action Ireland you'd see the following:

So looks like they're fairly into the rehoming of greyhounds alright.

From their Facebook page “Greyhound Action Ireland campaigns for an end to greyhound racing in Ireland”. Nothing about rehoming.

xckjoo · 24-07-2019 3:31pm

Deleted User wrote: »

From their Facebook page “Greyhound Action Ireland campaigns for an end to greyhound racing in Ireland”. Nothing about rehoming.

There's more to life than Facebook: https://grai.ie/members/
Incorrect link

24-07-2019 4:03pm

xckjoo wrote: »

There's more to life than Facebook: https://grai.ie/members/

They’re not part of that group.

xckjoo · 24-07-2019 4:11pm

Deleted User wrote: »

They’re not part of that group.

Ooops. My bad. Misread the link

Discodog · 24-07-2019 5:22pm

Deleted User wrote: »

I disagree. It’s showing the level of ignorance of those wanting to ban greyhound racing. They are making no effort to understand the rules and regulations surrounding it. The don’t want to see the improvement made in traceability, welfare and rehoming.

So, you now acknowledge that all pups are registered. Thanks.

I acknowledge this means that the owners of a lot of the dogs abused are known but no action has been taken against them.

Discodog · 24-07-2019 5:26pm

gozunda wrote: »

No one knows how many were euthanized, exported, sold as non racing dogs or otherwise. But you keep repeating the same exact stuff abour "slaughter" (sic) again and again and again and so on ad infinitum without any proper backup to your claims.

And afaik the numbers are under dispute as well. All of this has been gone over several times in the thread already - you must have missed it and all the other discussion.

No one had denied there are issues and there have been some very good suggestions in this thread on improving breeding and tracking greyhound movements.

But go ahead keep throwing the same ****e and calling a large group of people you have never met and wouldn't know from adam - 'dispicable' 'scum' 'vile' and similar because for some strange reason you know better than everyone else.

They are disputed by you. They aren't disputed by all the welfare groups who have to clean up the mess created by the Greyhound Industry.

There have been good suggestions for decades but nothing changes. No one has made a suggestion that would stop dead dogs because it's impossible.

Discodog · 24-07-2019 5:30pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Greyhound Action Ireland. A lovely name. What action are they involved with? Certainly not the rehoming of greyhounds. More likely their abolition.

If racing is abolished we won't need to rehome anywhere near as many as now.

They aren't involved in killing dogs

Tilikum17 · 24-07-2019 9:31pm

Was reading this morning about the states in America that have banned greyhound racing altogether. Only a matter of time until it’s banned here, I’d say.

donkeykong5 · 25-07-2019 1:36am

Tilikum17 wrote: »

Was reading this morning about the states in America that have banned greyhound racing altogether. Only a matter of time until it’s banned here, I’d say.

Hopefully

25-07-2019 7:59am

Tilikum17 wrote: »

Was reading this morning about the states in America that have banned greyhound racing altogether. Only a matter of time until it’s banned here, I’d say.

Not a hope of greyhound racing being banned. Its worth too much to the economy. €300,000,000 a year roughly. It is a good healthy pass time for thousands of people. It's employment directly and indirectly for up to 10,000. Why ban it because a few are spreading lies to gullible people who do not bother finding out the truth for themselves

Discodog · 25-07-2019 8:54am

Deleted User wrote: »

Not a hope of greyhound racing being banned. Its worth too much to the economy. €300,000,000 a year roughly. It is a good healthy pass time for thousands of people. It's employment directly and indirectly for up to 10,000. Why ban it because a few are spreading lies to gullible people who do not bother finding out the truth for themselves

Unless you're a Greyhound.

25-07-2019 9:05am

Discodog wrote: »

Unless you're a Greyhound.

Really? Are you now saying that greyhounds are unhealthy?

Discodog · 25-07-2019 9:11am

Deleted User wrote: »

Really? Are you now saying that greyhounds are unhealthy?

The 6000 dead ones aren't

25-07-2019 9:41am

Discodog wrote: »

The 6000 dead ones aren't

There weren’t 6,000 killed. Only the gullible would believe that. The report found UP to 6,000 UNACCOUNTED for. A totally different scenario but not one that RTE’s anti greyhound racing staff want you to hear. The words “killed” along pictures of dogs (not greyhounds) being boiled alive or being dispatched by a humane gun or an axe are more likely to get people’s attention.

xckjoo · 25-07-2019 10:00am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

There weren’t 6,000 killed. Only the gullible would believe that. The report found UP to 6,000 UNACCOUNTED for. A totally different scenario but not one that RTE’s anti greyhound racing staff want you to hear. The words “killed” along pictures of dogs (not greyhounds) being boiled alive or being dispatched by a humane gun or an axe are more likely to get people’s attention.

Them being unaccounted for is no more acceptable than them all being dead. It just tells us the governing bodies are inept or unwilling

gozunda · 25-07-2019 10:12am

Tilikum17 wrote: »

Was reading this morning about the states in America that have banned greyhound racing altogether. Only a matter of time until it’s banned here, I’d say.

ban greyhound racing you say?

Ah yes amongst others - that particular campaign spearheaded by PETA in the US. The same ones looking to ban all pets there and who actively take and kill domestic animals and discard them like thrash...

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/killing-animals-petas-open-secret_b_59e78243e4b0e60c4aa36711

And that would be all the same crowds looking to ban all animal farming regardless of how well animals are looked after ...

Like all these extremist groups - you'd need your head examined to start thinking they have any interest in animal welfare. They dont. They see all domestic animals as an abomination. I suppose they are entitled to their views...

xckjoo · 25-07-2019 10:37am

IMO IGB/ICC have shown no evidence that they are capable of willing to tackle the major issues in the sports so they should rightly be held under the microscope for the foreseeable future. So far I've only seen them trying to deflect and defend the status quo. It's the usual crap of people more interested in saving their jobs than actually doing them.

Private pet issues are also an enormous problem in this country and has huge numbers of very dedicated people that spend their lives trying to improve things with minimal help from the state (or state sponsored bodies....). Either of these issues can be improved without impacting the other though. Anyone that's concerned by it enough repeat it ad nauseum in this thread can safely start a new one about it and not worry. That's assuming they're bringing it up out of concern for the animals and not just to deflect from the topic at hand....

klaaaz · 25-07-2019 10:44am

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Not a hope of greyhound racing being banned. Its worth too much to the economy. €300,000,000 a year roughly. It is a good healthy pass time for thousands of people. It's employment directly and indirectly for up to 10,000. Why ban it because a few are spreading lies to gullible people who do not bother finding out the truth for themselves

More comedy from Maryanne. Killing 500 dogs on tracks since 2015 is not a healthy pass time.

RTE Investigates programme on greyhound racing industry

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