Joint problems?

vargoo · 31-05-2019 12:28am #1

Hi there,

Any of you guys any stories about maintaining, improving, joint/bone health in later life?

I came across an article about simmering cow hoofs/shin bones in a pot for 18 hours and keeping the broth, suppose to be great, dunno bout this one.

Similar story about chicken feet/legs, and pig knees?

The membrane in an egg, the bit that sticks to the shell is supposed to be great, theirs studies to back this one up. You can buy this as an expensive supplement.

Anybody an miracle stories?

NIMAN · 31-05-2019 2:35am

to be honest, they all sound like old wives tales.

If they worked, they'd be in a product you could go into a shop and buy.

Isn't cod liver oil meant to be good for joint health and flexibility?

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 31-05-2019 8:22am

The only one with any foundation in science and research seems to be Cod Liver Oil.

OldGoat · 31-05-2019 9:02am

"Fillet of a fenny snake,

In the cauldron boil and bake;

Eye of newt and toe of frog,

Wool of bat and tongue of dog,

Adder’s fork and blind-worm’s sting,

Lizard’s leg and owlet’s wing,

For a charm of powerful trouble,

Like a hell-broth boil and bubble."

Don't forget the copper bracelets.

vargoo · 31-05-2019 9:48am

OldGoat wrote: »

"Fillet of a fenny snake,

In the cauldron boil and bake;

Eye of newt and toe of frog,

Wool of bat and tongue of dog,

Adder’s fork and blind-worm’s sting,

Lizard’s leg and owlet’s wing,

For a charm of powerful trouble,

Like a hell-broth boil and bubble."

Don't forget the copper bracelets.

Most of this is easy to get.

Jellybaby1 · 31-05-2019 8:25pm

Never managed to get wool of bat though! They must have stopped making it!

juneg · 06-06-2019 7:30pm

You can definitely buy beef or chicken bone broth in the shops.

otnomart · 06-06-2019 7:42pm

Read up about the supplement Glucosamine.

There is a lot of info online, and you can also ask your GP what they think in relation to your own specific case.

Graces7 · 08-06-2019 11:19am

juneg wrote: »

You can definitely buy beef or chicken bone broth in the shops.

Very easy to make too. We used to have home made soup with bones boiled for the stock. You can still get bones free from most butchers.

DeBurca · 08-06-2019 11:15pm

otnomart wrote: »

Read up about the supplement Glucosamine.

There is a lot of info online, and you can also ask your GP what they think in relation to your own specific case.

My wife swears by it and has used it for the last year or more

vargoo · 08-06-2019 11:24pm

DeBurca wrote: »

My wife swears by it and has used it for the last year or more

Egg membrane I mention in OP has it and other building blocks. If she finds it useful.

vargoo · 26-06-2019 8:08pm

Has anybody tried stem cells yet here?

Clinic in Dublin doing it - Medica

Based off of work done at Trinity & Co

Another promising device in the works - https://www.cartiheal.com/agili-c/

New Home · 01-07-2019 5:24pm

Some relatives of mine have, on their knees, with great results, but your cartilage needs to be at the right level of degeneration, so to speak. When the damage is still relatively minimal, then injections of hyaluronic acid may prove beneficial. When the damage has progressed more but there's still cartilage present, then the stem cell treatment with cells taken from the fat from your abdomen works best. But if the damage is beyond that, then a knee replacement is your only option (as in, the first two wouldn't work at all). Or so we were told by the doctors at the time. Obviously, this is a general rule of thumb, and you always need to speak to your consultant.

Just to be clear, they didn't do it in that clinic.

vargoo · 01-07-2019 9:19pm

New Home wrote: »

Some relatives of mine have, on their knees, with great results, but your carthilage needs to be at the right level of degeneration, so to speak. When the damage is still relatively minimal, then injections of hyaluronic acid may prove beneficial. When the damage has progressed more but there's still carthilage present, then the stem cell treatment with cells taken from the fat from your abdomen works best. But if the damage is beyond that, then a knee replacement is your only option (as in, the first two wouldn't work at all). Or so we were told by the doctors at the time. Obviously, this is a general rule of thumb, and you always need to speak to your consultant.

Just to be clear, they didn't do it in that clinic.

Thanks for reply.

Where was this clinic if you don't mind me asking?

Prices?

When? Reason I ask this is because clinic I linked, going by testimonials, will proceed even if you are bone on bone.

Did your relatives have follow up MRI, what did it show? Regrowth?

Deja Boo · 02-07-2019 2:25am

New Home, is that Synvisc? Am wondering if that is what my Sports Med Doc suggested (since I am not thrilled about knee replacement).
My insurance didnae cover it, but my knee is bone-on-bone and oh what screaming pain it can cause!

banie01 · 02-07-2019 2:34am

Intra-articular steroid injections have made a huge and lasting difference to my AC joint arthritis.
Life changing in that it restored my mobility and had the added benefit of mixing my fairly severe Hayfever as a bonus

New Home · 02-07-2019 6:05am

Sorry folks, I don't know what the procedure was called, except that it was stem-cell based - they'd take some fatty deposits from your belly (like for a liposuction), extract stem cells from there, and inject them in the knee joint. They did it abroad through the hospitals, I'm not sure of the waiting lists or the costs (I don't think they were prohibitive) but I could find out. I was told it's wasn't painful (as in, not pain-free, but completely tolerable) and the rest period was abdolutely minimal (IIRC, a day, perhaps?).

Oh, and they did it in the last couple of years, not that long ago at all.

New Home · 02-07-2019 6:15am

Also, they were told that this specific technique wouldn't work on bone-on-bone, I think it was something along the line of "the stem cells have nothing to "copy"" (obviously it's not the technical explanation, this is me summarising). The effects were noticeable pretty quickly, too. I can't remember what scans they did before/after, I think those may have worked out more expensive than the procedure itself because they probably did them privately because of the waiting lists. Again, I can find out, if you want.

vargoo · 02-07-2019 10:19am

Find out everything plz!

New Home · 02-07-2019 3:45pm

Might take me a few days, but will do.

vargoo · 06-07-2019 9:01pm

A Judge Rules Against One Stem-Cell Clinic. There Are Hundreds of Them.

One of those Companies seem to have an army of trolls on every site going totting how good these procedures are...

Stem Cell Company Persuades Employers To Steer Workers Toward Controversial Therapy

US healthcare really is a sh1tshow

railer201 · 25-01-2020 10:33pm

I would recommend the Original Cod Liver Oil taken as per the instructions on the bottle, first thing in the morning before any food. I cycle and walk a lot which helps a lot, but the important thing is to exercise any joints which are showing signs of stiffening up.

It is no exaggeration to say I reversed the onset of arthritis and rheumatism some twenty years ago by taking Cod liver oil and then following it up by mainly cycling. The stuff works.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 25-01-2020 10:42pm

railer201 wrote: »

I would recommend the Original Cod Liver Oil taken as per the instructions on the bottle, first thing in the morning before any food. I cycle and walk a lot which helps a lot, but the important thing is to exercise any joints which are showing signs of stiffening up.

It is no exaggeration to say I reversed the onset of arthritis and rheumatism some twenty years ago by taking Cod liver oil and then following it up by mainly cycling. The stuff works.

I've been taking daily cod liver oil for over thirty years and, along with daily 5km+ walks, I attribute by lack of any joint issues, at 76, to it. That said, I've no idea if I would have been the same without the cod liver oil.

NIMAN · 25-01-2020 10:49pm

Was chatting to someone recently whose aunt and uncle spend the winter in the Canaries.

They say their arthritis reduces to very low levels when they are there, and gets worse when they come back to Ireland.

Our wet and damp weather definitely plays a part in making it worse. But not many can spend the winter in the sun.

Asitis2019 · 26-01-2020 2:14pm

Tyler Spicy Wineglass wrote: »

I've been taking daily cod liver oil for over thirty years and, along with daily 5km+ walks, I attribute by lack of any joint issues, at 76, to it. That said, I've no idea if I would have been the same without the cod liver oil.

Is it too late to start in ones 40s?

How did you manage to balance a career + 5km daily walks?

railer201 · 26-01-2020 3:06pm

Asitis2019 wrote: »

Is it too late to start in ones 40s?

How did you manage to balance a career + 5km daily walks?

I started taking it around that age. I was starting to get rheumatism in an ankle and a shoulder due to previous injuries. I could tell when we were going to get rain for instance, the pain would start up. Shortly after taking the bottled cod liver oil, the rheumatics ceased.

I followed up some years later with regular exercise, mostly cycling and to date have had no recurrence of the rheumatism. I also suffered from stiff joints and couldn't walk down the stairs without holding on to the bannister - that's all gone now too.

A 5km walk should only take an hour, after a while you won't even think about it. I'm in my early 70's btw.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 26-01-2020 3:29pm

Asitis2019 wrote: »

Is it too late to start in ones 40s?

How did you manage to balance a career + 5km daily walks?

I started in my 40s. A 5 km walk was short in those days, as it was our daily evening routine to unwind and give the dog a walk. I retired at 54 , 22 years ago so no interference with career since then nor before.

FFVII · 26-01-2020 5:20pm

What cod liver oil are you taking folks?

I thought it was full of dioxins and PCBs since it was from a liver?

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 26-01-2020 6:31pm

FFVII wrote: »

What cod liver oil are you taking folks?

I thought it was full of dioxins and PCBs since it was from a liver?

I use Holland & Barrett's own brand. Haven't killed me yet.

railer201 · 26-01-2020 7:49pm

FFVII wrote: »

What cod liver oil are you taking folks?

I thought it was full of dioxins and PCBs since it was from a liver?

Seven Seas Original with Omega 3 - 450 ml bottle - bought in Tesco.

ubs69 · 26-01-2020 7:54pm

Wd40 !

chinwag · 27-01-2020 1:02pm

Great if the fish oil helps, along with keeping fit. I've been using it for a long time but still have bone trouble.

It's probably a good supplement though and worth taking.

I'd agree with Niman above that a warmer climate probably helps those with arthritis, or at least getting some exposure to the sun during our damp winters.

If only the WD40 worked!!

FFVII · 27-01-2020 5:53pm

chinwag wrote: »

Great if the fish oil helps, along with keeping fit. I've been using it for a long time but still have bone trouble.

It's probably a good supplement though and worth taking.

I'd agree with Niman above that a warmer climate probably helps those with arthritis, or at least getting some exposure to the sun during our damp winters.

If only the WD40 worked!!

Cod liver is just an omega 3, with D and A vits thought it was something else there for a min.

Day Lewin · 02-02-2020 11:44pm

I've been taking Boswellia and I honestly think it has helped. And so does Pilates, the gym, walking and swimming.

I take a ton of supplements every morning, including Vit D and Glucosamine/chondroitin, have done for years: but the Boswellia is newish and seems to have decreased swelling and pain in knuckles. Of course its impossible to prove cause and effect!

Deja Boo · 08-02-2020 9:49pm

I take doctor recommended vitamin D. Never tried fish oil.
I recently purchased Glucosamine Chondrotin, but haven't taken it yet (always been leery of taking pills)... But if it helps, sounds worth a try.

looksee · 08-02-2020 10:12pm

Glucosamine and chondroitin are naturally occurring in the body but can also be taken as supplements. Provided you are not taking blood thinners or don't have any diabetes issues they are not considered to have any other side effects.
Useful article here https://nccih.nih.gov/health/glucosaminechondroitin#hed3

Deja Boo · 08-02-2020 10:12pm

Thanks looksee, appreciate the info!

Rose of Lima · 15-02-2020 10:28pm

Cod liver oil omega 3, Glucosamine, and vitamin D I take. Keeping active stops the joints rusting up too

Jim_Hodge · 08-09-2020 9:20pm

Graces7 wrote: »

I am giving turmeric a good try in sheer desperation. The knee that has given intermittent trouble for much of my life has deteriorated very painfully and even eg getting to the bathroom can be arduous in two ways, pain and safety.

I tried eg glucosamine etc way back when it was not as bad.

We shall see. Many get relief from turmeric. Costly though.

One week in now...

It's basically an anti inflammatory and has had some good results for osteoarthritic knee pain. However it is strongly recommended that use is only short term.

My knuckles have started giving me problems over the past few months. It's hard to make a fist if I have had the hand flat for any time, or first thing I. The morning. Anti inflammatory tablets have done nothing. I may have to give the Doc. a visit.

Graces7 · 10-09-2020 9:58am

otnomart wrote: »

Read up about the supplement Glucosamine.

There is a lot of info online, and you can also ask your GP what they think in relation to your own specific case.

I used to get this on prescription but it made no difference.

Nor did cod liver oil.

Many, folk I know , get long term relief as in many years, from turmeric in food or as caps. so we shall see . I am well stocked for many months and well researched and will see it through. No holds barred now! Onwards and upwards... we are each different.

Offline here a while now again.

Stay safe! Stay well!

NIMAN · 10-09-2020 10:00am

To be honest I think a lot of this stuff, be it cod liver oil, glucosamine etc are placebo's.

If your body is aging and hurting, will these things really help?

Graces7 · 10-09-2020 10:02am

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 wrote: »

I use Holland & Barrett's own brand. Haven't killed me yet.

H and B are very reliable and their customer reviews are varied and honest.

kal7 · 10-09-2020 10:03am

I have only seen one case of cartilage/bone improvement, shown on x-ray, before and after 3year gap.
He was a 24year suffering from osteoarthritis in knee, we worked out he was kneeling while at work as roofer giving wear at certain point on joint, once we changed this and improved function he got better.

However this is the only case I have seen in 25yr, so do all you can to keep what you have, deteriorate more slowly but don't expect significant improvement. Hoping my big toe holds out as long as possible.

Supplements may help if you don't have the needed chemical already via a good diet.

The supposed benefit to being in canaries over Ireland is that the general weather pattern is of high pressure.
So that the pressure difference between your swollen joint and that of surrounding air is less.
So you feel less pain on high pressure day, more in low pressure hence wet and windy weather.
In Ireland we get lots of low pressure systems and therefore feel swollen/worn joints worse here.

Riodej1578 · 03-03-2021 10:53pm

Bit late to the party but anyone here have their opinions on taking Glucosamine or Turmeric to help with joint pain? Any good?

looksee · 03-03-2021 11:01pm

Some people find glucosamine helpful and it has been around for a good while. I might see about going back on it myself.

Turmeric gets great write-ups but I don't know if any actual research has been done on it specific to joint pain. I think the quality of the turmeric matters significantly, I am going on memory here, I think the active ingredient is curcumin which has some scientific backing.

For any of these drugs (and of course for any drugs) you need to check with your gp or pharmacist about contra-indications for any other drugs or conditions you have.

Riodej1578 · 04-03-2021 12:24pm

looksee wrote: »

Some people find glucosamine helpful and it has been around for a good while. I might see about going back on it myself.

Turmeric gets great write-ups but I don't know if any actual research has been done on it specific to joint pain. I think the quality of the turmeric matters significantly, I am going on memory here, I think the active ingredient is curcumin which has some scientific backing.

For any of these drugs (and of course for any drugs) you need to check with your gp or pharmacist about contra-indications for any other drugs or conditions you have.

Thank you, I did hear that curcumin is quiet good too

0lddog · 04-03-2021 4:02pm

NIMAN wrote: »

Was chatting to someone recently whose aunt and uncle spend the winter in the Canaries.

They say their arthritis reduces to very low levels when they are there, and gets worse when they come back to Ireland.

Our wet and damp weather definitely plays a part in making it worse. But not many can spend the winter in the sun.

There are studies on exactly this for people with Rheumatoid Arthritis.

All conclude that wintering in The Canaries rather than northern Europe is beneficial.

This may be due to the climate or it may be due to it being easier ( longer daylight hours, warmer etc ) to exercise.

In the best traditions of all medical studies a universal conclusion is that more research is required

I understand that the Norwegian health system will pay ( travel and basic accom costs ) towards Norwegians with RA wintering in The Canaries.

New Home · 06-03-2021 2:56am

I'm sure a decent dehumidifier in the house would also help a bit. It's not the same thing as the Canaries, granted.

ReadySteadyGo · 06-03-2021 4:03am

Time restricted feeding and fasting.

Both seem to be anti-inflammatory.

Graces7 · 12-04-2021 11:47am

New Home wrote: »

I'm sure a decent dehumidifier in the house would also help a bit. It's not the same thing as the Canaries, granted.

Oh absolutely. One rental I lived in... when I moved the settee the wall was black with mould and I was in stage 3 of black mould disease.

Just leaving it near the open wardrobe door and it would fill overnight.

A dehumidifier is essential; but out here no need as not a but of damp

Graces7 · 12-04-2021 11:50am

Thanks to HSE I had 3 months last year with no pain meds and lost over half my mobility. Still days when walking is nigh impossible. As they say, old age is not for cissies!

But we soldier on. Stoics every one of us.

I found a jar of turmeric in the cupboard and could not remember what it was for!I may start it again...

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